Remember all the Alfa Giulia shill threads? /o/-tards telling everyone that this car would "kill BMW" (again)?
>One Giulia was wheeled off like an A&E casualty after the infotainment system failed. Another I drove had an engine warning light screaming for attention from the instrument binnacle, and the cruise control refused to switch on. A third car tested suffered a frozen infotainment system, which could only be brought back to life by stopping the car and switching the ignition off and back on, and at times some air vents stopped blowing air whilst others continued.
>One colleague suffered jammed parking sensors, so they drove around with the car going “beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep”.
>Alfa doesn’t believe drivers should have touchscreen displays — concentrate on driving, it says — yet the scrolling “mouse” wheel is cumbersome and possibly more distracting than a touchscreen. The seatbelts aren’t height-adjustable and the indicator can’t be cancelled by nudging it in the same direction a second time — only by nudging it in the opposing direction.
http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive-review-2016-alfa-romeo-giulia-2/
As a german I find it hilarious that anyone would trust the italians anymore.
As a German citizen living in Canada in surprised anyone drives a BMW past e46
>>15146057
That's irrelevant to the thread really. I'm not a BMW fan at all but betting on the italians (out of butthurt because the americans themselves fail again and again and again etc.) is just idiotic.
Bump for alfa shill tears
>>15146013
Not fussed about Alfas either way but if you decide whether you like a car based on shit like infotainment instead of actual driving things then you are a massive faggot
>>15146013
kek for an alfa these arn't even problems, im suprised they even fired up without blowing the coils out
>the indicator can’t be cancelled by nudging it in the same direction a second time
all cars do this? why would you even try to move a 3 way switch onto the point its already at?
>>15146311
>but if you decide whether you like a car based on shit like infotainment instead of actual driving things then you are a massive faggot
Oh boy, do I have news for you!
>>15146328
The way they rushed development on the Giulia I am pretty certain we will see some hilarious fuck ups come to light quite soon.
>>15146311
t. alfa giulia shill
>guise they're unreliable
BMwieners are this assmad
>>15146013
Remember all the ats-v shill threads? No one will care in a few months just stop talking about them
>>15146476
Oh dog how I loved those shill threads!
>THIS TIME CADIWRECK IS GONNA KILL BMW!
>YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!
>THEY TESTED IT AND IT IS BETTER THAN THE M3
>BMW IS AS GOOD AS DEAD!
>>15146057
If you're absolutely hell bent on buying a newer car BMW's are still top tier.
That being said, cars past ~2005 are kind of shit. BMW and Mercedes is pandering to the normies by cramming their cars full of shit that'll cost a ton to fix. They're great rides, they just lose a lot of value in my eyes because they're too heavy and too expensive to work on.
I guess most wealthy normies don't care though
>>15146311
Only on /o/ would people claiming to be enthusiasts make such a big deal out of a stupid fucking infotainment system, which BMW has a shit one too, so what's the point? Fucking retards.
>>15146013
>/o/-tards telling everyone that this car would "kill BMW" (again)?
you already mentioned they were shill threads. they had like 100 posts from 15 IPs.
>>15146013
Are you this butt clenched mad op?
Those were pre-series cars, the very same you could have seen at motorshows around the world 2 months ago.
Also you have found the only review talking shit about the car, I repeat THE ONLY ONE.
Plus, the Infotainment Giulia uses is made by Magneti Marelli and is the same as the Bmw, including the rotary dial.
Don't be so mad that Alfa Romeo is going to retake the first place on the automotive scene, the only place suitable for such a legendary brand.
top fucking kek
Op I'll leave this here, you surely are familiar with the language:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/fahrbericht-alfa-romeo-giulia-22-jtdm-16v-11250833.html
May you want to translate us this passage?
>das Qualitätsniveau liegt etwa zwischen 3er BMW und Audi A4.
![bmw2-seriesgrandtourer1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pbSZABv.jpg "bmw2-seriesgrandtourer1[1].jpg")
ITT: Alfa shills mad that their brand isn't becoming a generic superior FWD car manufacturer
->alfa romeo
->killing bmw
Only thing alfa is killing is owners wallet. Itallian piece of shit glued with spit.
>>15146991
Sure thing anon, that's why german cars are such reliable and have low maintenance costs.
N47 rubbish engine, 70€ per hour of labor plus thousand of coins for replacing turbos and rebuild the distribution.
Faulty DSG dct sold for years while they knew it was faulty since the beginning, spilling thousand of coins (even up to 5-6000€) for replacing the unit of out the manufacturer warranty (obviously we're talking about vag group) who doesn't give a fuck for european customers.
You get the dieselgate, wow, the biggest criminal scam ever in the automotive scene because they're not able to be "durch Technik" among other competitors so they have to cheat and once they've been caught they blame every manufacturer because EVERYBODY CHEATS when nobody but vag has used a default device to cheat on emissions while robbing several countries of money incentives for "muh ecological engines".
Do you want to talk about Mercedes?
Well, they purchase engines from Renault, which build their diesel engines in Spain, and they put these little shit eco diesels in cars with a price starting from roughly 30.000€.
>>15146013
It's just a shame the Alfas that absolutely destroyed the M3/M4 in the Nurburgring didn't suffer from those minor electronic glitches, isn't it?
>>15147023
Reminder that the Giulia set a new record with the manual version 7:36 but they won't officialize the time...in the meantime the Quadrifoglio with the ZF8 is running on the nurburgring and they say the time (that will be officialized and filmed) is around 7:26/28.
>>15147023
This is why people buy Alfas. Not for normie shit like infotainment.
The 4C could be the perfect car if they made a manual. T_T
>>15147032
Reminder that there are several people that today are Bmw customers because in the last 20 years has not built a competitive rwd car.
Now they have and it's mechanically superior to every sedan in their league, so, let's see how the market will react.
>>15147041
>the last 20 * years has
*Alfa Romeo
>>15147041
It's too late m8. Shoulda done it 20 years ago.
Now even BMW is moving to RWD because the average punter doesn't care about dynamics any more. Just toys, edgy styling, massive wheels, empeejeez and the right badge
>>15147054
* to FWD
>>15146013
>As a german
You don't have to be a German to know Italian cars are crap.
>>15146013
the cars tested for that article were the pre production press mules, they're gonna be unfinished in some ways, especially with alfa. i'm sure the car will be something special, but why compare it to the bmw? it's gonna be great to have rwd alfa's again stop fucking complaining goddamn.
>>15147054
The 3 Series won't be FWD and so won't the "Classic" Bmw, they have to do this kind of shit because of high developing expenses for new models and chassis and that's why they're sharing platforms and engines with mini.
Alfa Romeo as part of FCA can easily share parts, engines and chassis with Maserati while Fiat can share with jeep, Chrysler, etc..totally inside their Group.
>>15147022
You are a fucktard. You formed one opinion and you will not change it no matter what so here is no point in arvuing with you.
Also from your last paragraph. You put it that way that it sounds the mercedes is ONLY using renault engine which is not true because they put that engine only in small city car a class and little bigger b class.
But look at me, trying to change fucktards opinion. Its almost bad as being fucktard desu
>>15147083
okay sorry for being wrong
>>15146973
>71k€ for a fucking Alfa Romeo
>>15146973
>http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/fahrbericht-alfa-romeo-giulia-22-jtdm-16v-11250833.html
It says that quality-wise the interior sits somewhere between a 3series BMW and the Audi A4
Except for the infotainment system that doesn't work of course.
>>15147121
>€71k
>YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN CARE THAT HALF OF IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE IT IS AN ALFA! MUH PASSION!!!
Guess what people with that kind of money will buy :^)
>>15147133
It means that if a german car magazine which is an autority says that the Alfa is a good, well made and superbly drive oriented car you can bet Your useless ass that it's true.
Also the fact that you need to open a post to shitpost about the Giulia is clearly a sign of your alteration meaning that Alfa Romeo is doing very good.
Deal with it and deal with your autism
>>15146328
This. Since when do indicators cancel this way? Seems counter intuitive and really not something that should be mentioned alongside those other issues.
>>15147137
>Guess what people with that kind of money will buy :^)
A Ferrari?
>>15147100
>in cars with a price starting at 30k
Sounds like he know what cars they're going in to me.
>>15147154
I don't doubt it is true. I just doubt it will last very long seeing how Alfa has rushed the development of this car and their quality control history.
Also please note that I am not hating on the Alfa itself as much as on the retard shills on /o/.
My father and grandfather have driven several Alfas and loved them (my grandpa had a GTV6 for example) and Alfa returning to RWD cars with a bit of italian "charme" (and soul and passion yeahyeah) is really nice.
You'd have to be monumentally retarded to think that customers these days would be willing to spend 71k on an Alfa.
>>15147167
>€71k Ferrari
I doubt it.
>>15147177
>71k
There's not only the Quadrifoglio version m8.
The car starts from 35.000€.
Also they have spent far less money For the 4C, so...
>>15147171
>nissan puts merc engine into infiniti
>car is even more expensive than the shitty merc
>confirmed as the saltiest fangirls on /o/
>>15147200
That makes it even worse to be honest. People on more of a budget are going to think very hard about favouring an Alfa over a BMW if they have a "limited" budget like that.
People with M3 money also have enough to give the Alfa a shot without having to worry too much about possible repair costs. Meanwhile the market for "enthusiasts" in the lower price regions is very small. Most buyers in that range will make their decision more carefully and Alfas very dodgy history is not gonna help.
>>15147217
Prepare your butt
>>15147227
Anyone with money for an M3 wouldn't buy an Alfa. The BMW badge and the M badge have way more reputation nowadays. And you don't get into money by wasting it with ridiculous repairs.
>>15147240
BUT ITS MORE EXPENSIVE REEEEEE
:^)
>>15147248
Yes, americans will never understand this :^)
>>15147054
Only 1 series due to production cost.
Invalid argument.
>>15147200
A 2.2 diesel that is going to be raped with taxes in most countries cause of the displacement while the competition offers the same level of hp or even more with smaller engines.
TOP KEK
Wheres that's mjet tripcode faggot now?
>and the indicator can’t be cancelled by nudging it in the same direction a second time — only by nudging it in the opposing direction
okay serious question: what the hell is going on with turn signals levers? i started driving in the mid 2000s and i've driven various japanese cars from the late 90s and early 2000s and the way all of them worked was you set your turn signal by flipping the lever up or down, it locks there, then to cancel the turn signal you move the lever back to the center position and the turn signal cuts off. i drove a few new hondas and mazdas (went with a mazda 3) and none of them do that anymore?? like, i'll move the lever back to the center position and the turn signal won't cut off. the only way i could get the turn signal to cut off has been to very slightly set the lever in the opposite position (as in moving it toward center then past). i don't understand why those cars i've driven behave that way and it annoys the hell out of me. is it a new thing? have some cars always been like that? what the hell is going on
> ITT ALFA SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>15147261
All I know is that on my car you can just half-push it down to make it blink 3 times for agressive Autobahn driving.
Also I can't remember when I manually switched the indicator off since they turn off automatically after you have turned.
>>15147261
Another fucking stupid cunt.
Most cars have the ability to blink several times with a simple nudge. 3/5/or more times. So if it hasn't done those nudge induced blinks, when you cut the blinker back it will still keep doing it till it finishes the routine.
YOU DUMB FUCKING FAGGOT. LEARN TO READ THE FUCKING USER MANUAL.
>>15146013
>As a german
Mohammed bitte. Du bist Passdeutsch.
>>15147245
The only reason to get an alfa ever was/is special snowflake syndrome. No one gives a fuck about laptimes except poorfag autists in shitboxes
>>15147276
Kek, ich seh aus wie aus dem Rassebilderbuch, du Pissrinne.
>>15147272
yeah excuse me for not being up to speed on the hottest trends in nanny tier hand-holding car technology
>>15147276
>biodeutscher FCA Shill
wranon oder mjet?
>>15147292
> damage control for being a stupid fuck
>>15147261
The stalkers on my Punto have two modes.
You can just nudge it and it'll blink like 8 times and it self cancels. Or you can just flip it 'till it you hear the switch and it'll only cancel when you complete the turn.
What did we say... The tripcode faggot wasn't going to take long to come on board and talk about his shitbox.
>>15147257
>A 2.2 diesel that is going to be raped with taxes in most countries cause of the displacement while the competition offers the same level of hp or even more with smaller engines.
And you're wrong.
FCA multijet units usually have the highest HP/Nm per liter.
>>15147240
>142,000€
>Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s
>no back seats
>>15147320
Enjoy regenerating your DPF in your plastic box
>>15147320
>FCA multijet units usually have the highest HP/Nm per liter.
maybe 10 years ago
>>15147320
Shut the fuck up nigger.
2.2 with 180hp
BMW does the same with a 2.0.
Are you even aware how much more the Alfa will pay in taxes in your shitty country just because of 0.2cm3?
Fuckin idiot.
>>15147337
And you can add the fact that Alfa is late one generation. When everyone else is at 2.0 and getting ready do downsize once again, Alfa debuted with 2.2's.
Hows it going mjet? Suicide watch?
>>15147300
Weder noch.
>>15147291
Sichi Bruder.
>>15147320
I'm sure a 2.2 with 150hp will be very attractive. lel nope. Paying taxes for a big engine while riding along on a shitty diesel.
> 150hp
>2.2
TOP KEK
>>15147324
>http://www.motoring.com.au/alfa-delays-giulia-100327/
>“Even when they posted their lap time on the Nürburgring, the car was very nervous and that was on cut racing slicks and more than 100kg lighter than the production version,” he said.
costanza.jpg
>>15147331
Try now.
>yfw a small 1.6 multijet produces almost as many torks as a 1.8 BMW unit
>>15147330
Don't worry, love. I'm going to ditch it the moment the warranty expires.
>>15147337
lelelelel
>2.2 Multijet
>180hp
>450Nm
>2.0d N47
>160hp
>380Nm
>2.0d B47
>160hp
>400Nm
TIPTOPKEK
BMW literally needs a 2.5L engine to produce as many torks as 2.2L Multijet unit.
>>15147166
This, i came into this thread just to wonder what the fuck this was doing with all the other issues
The indicators wont turn off if you push them in the on direction again? ive never seen a car that does this, one way is on, other way is off... whats to hard about that????
>>15147363
Na welche fiat shitbox kannste dein eigen nennen?
>>15147372
You realise Fiat don't cover DPF faults under warranty, right? I'm a mechanic for a fleet who have tens of thousands of the things, and WE could negotiate to be covered.
>>15147377
Keine, aber BMW ist einfach unglaubich überbewertet.
>>15147381
Couldn't*
alberto barbosa is sure shilling his italian crappy shitboxes in here again
>>15147372
>BMW
>1.8L Hubraum
>B47D20
>2.5L Hubraum
Du bist wirklich so behindert, oder?
>>15146057
past e9x generation honestly you have to go over to porsche.Even Porsche is going to shit though:(
>>15147384
und wer soll dir das jetzt glauben?
>>15147381
Still had no issues with it. Almost 48k kms.
I'm planning on physically deleting it (maybe a straight pipe through it or just have a dummy fabricated). Then I'll remap it to about 105/250Nm.
Thinking of deleting the egr and a straight pipe through the final muffler.
>>15147389
I'm not german.
And please don't get me wrong. I fucking love Beemers. But you have no fucking need to be so assblasted and defensive.
>>15147372
lel the faggot is trying to damage control so hard hes going for the older bmw engines...
>>15147402
The B47 engine is the new one.
>>15147396
Wer auch immer das will, ich habe ein Busticket.
>>15147400
>modifying a vehicle under warranty
Why even bother buying new? Are you slow?
>>15147372
1.6 what? 1.6 cancerjtd? cause those engines are nothing than a pile of steaming shit
>>15147400
>posts shit without even researching
>expects me to be friendly
I never met someone owning a fiat that wasn't an upper bydlo retard
>>15147409
I didn't buy it new. It was a dealer car. Had 1 year when I bought it.
>>15147410
lol, multijet units are pretty reliable. Why so sour?
>>15147414
??
>>15147404
You fucking cunt. The b47 produces 197 and 400nm.
Biased piece of shit.
>>15147400
Another motherfucker that doesn't care about anyone else on the planet. Can't hope for the EU to pass somekind of law requiring inspection for DPF removals. Hope you get cancer.
Then why are you so defensive of the italian shit?
>>15147404
The B47D20 has 2.0 l (1995 cm3)
>>15147420
small displacement jtd are far from reliable, the only one that got it good was the 1.9... even the 2.4 was a smoldering turd
>>15147420
why haven't you bought those shit tires? it would have been a heavens gift for /o/ if you had already crashed and die
>>15147372
>just forget about these tho
N47 (160 kW) 215hp 450 Nm
>no don't look
B47 (170 kW) 227hp/500nm
absolutely pathetic anon
>>15147423
I'm not being defensive. Just stating facts.
>>15147425
>pic related
>>15147427
1.3s and 1.6s are pretty reliable.
They're used on commercial vehicles and have upwards of 600k kms with no issues at all.
>>15147432
>shit tyres
kek, the Vredsteins were actually pretty good, fyi.
Just went for the Continentals because they were much easier to come by.
>shilling for Fiat
I don't know if you could sink any lower than that actually
>>15147420
why do you always cherrypick to make fiat look better than they are?
you discredit yourself and no one takes you seriously any more.
are fiat paying you?
>>15147420
>>15147433
> owns a fiat
> thinks italian cars are anything good
> makes a fool of himself in every topic i see him
>keeps posting after being humiliated countless times
sheeeet tyrone, are you even trying?
>>15147441
citing wikipedia? seriously? not even checking if its updated?
lel
im sure you wanted to be the top dog, but come on... this is just pathetic
>>15147420
Ok for retards
The 2.5L engine you're posting about has 2.0L
160 kW at 4400 min−1
450 Nm at 1500–2500 min−1
The 1.8L engine you're posting about doesn't exist. BMW has never built a 1.8L diesel engine
>>15147454
the fiat shill doesn't even know about bmw engines, yet he shills so hard for italian cancer that he deludes himself into thinking of non existing engines...
>>15147451
!mjet.oRqBk is literally the most pathetic trip I've ever seen on /o/.
>>15147450
>>15147454
>literally paying for factory remaps
>>15147464
>not cuntswe
>>15147441
now you cancerous faggot, I work for a main dealer and we have several fleet contracts
theres absolutely no 1.3 and 1.6jtds that don't shit their guts after 250k those engines were designed for that maximum mileage, and even the ones that get there have been runned to the ground
are you fucking delusional? 600.000? LOL
>>15147469
>literally paying for a sequential twin turbo setup
ftfy dumbcunt
>>15147469
Alfa does that too, friendo
>>15147469
Please stop it. I am cringing so hard I am gonna break a rib!
>>15147100
The c class also has renault engines
>>15147464
i thought it would have been hard to surpass bromaro, but this guy takes it to a whole new level of stupidity and idiocracy
>>15147469
here comes the retard argument
> factory remaps
You know nothing about engines do you?
Pro-tip, get the parts catalog from BMW and check the parts for the internals, turbos, cooling and fuel system, then come and have a talk with us
>>15147100
C180d, and in the near future the 160.
Paying Mercedes price while getting a disguised Renault.
top kek
>>15147477
>talking out of his ass
The post.
I have a friend that has a 1.3 Grande Punto with about 340k kms.
That car has never had any issues with the engine, apart from regular maintenance items being changed.
It was also remapped when it had 100k kms.
>>15147240
no way you can drive on roads with that front splitter and not having front suspension raising mechanism
>>15147502
>his imaginary friends are the source
>>15147469
hes going all out for damage control boys
next thing he gonna say "aliens"
>>15147502
> the friend story
I have two gorillion friends with 1.3jtd and they all broke after they left the dealer.
>>15147506
>my anecdotal evidence should be taken as a fact
>yours shouldn't
x)
>>15147390
They're bringing back the manual in the GT3 because customers want them to, so at least they'll listen to feedback.
>>15147506
>>15147507
>>15147512
Easiest thing would be to compare the cars with over 200k km, on mobile.de
To see if there are any differences in terms of avaivability. If there'd be 200 BMWs and only 2 Fiats one could see a connection there. If there'd be 200 BMWs and 201 Fiats I would say there are no differences. Just look instead of keep throwing shit at eachother.
>>15147477
250k is way higher that any bmw n47 can reach, usually they get rekt ±100k
>>15147517
Guess the giulias munching turbos left and right aren't an issue.
Guess the mitos grenading their engines out of the blue isn't an issue.
Your "friend" is the absolute proof.
What a freaking nutjob.
>>15147512
Gee, so many broken engines.
>>15147528
If I deal with this kind of shit at my work, why would I need to check? Also checking for used cars gives you nothing more than a skewed view.
>>15147531
Oh, and this is just one model, and just a handful of way more results.
>>15147528
BMWs are usually driven hard and revved to redline while Fiat shitboxes rarely rev past 3000 rpm so you should take that into the account too.
>>15147536
Because you attack him for anectotal evidence but you're telling me that I'd have to believe you because you havve to deal with this. I don't know you, how would I know that you're not talking shit. Same goes for him, he could also lie to me.
>>15147529
And you got that information where? LooniesRus? Having been fixed the tensioners there aren't any other major problems with it. And they were designed to at least endure 400.000km.
>>15147528
but bmws sell in much greater numbers in the first instance, so it perhaps wouldn't tell much in terms of attrition
>>15147531
7 cars, wow, thats a sample that backs up any claim whatsoever
you're reaching out so hard it's sad and funny at the same time
>>15147554
Learn to read. >>15147537
>>15147549
True. But you could mention the basic "population" of cars and this way it's set in relation.
>>15147546
There are enough boyracers that redline their riced Bravos and stuff like that.
x)
>>15147531
wow a fiat made it to over 300k km, you sure proved fiats are durable as fuck.
>>15147557
Deluded cunt. A website shows nothing. As far as we know those Fiat might be there for months or years till and idiot like you comes and buys one to jack of at home. Showing Doblos trying to compare with 320's
You're so sad, it's insane.
>>15147548
the problem is fixing it, once the tensioner brakes and fucks up the timing chain, you are looking to a near 10k repair without having any help from the manufacturer despite being a conception problem
>>15147570
I bet this guys is that whiny annoying idiot at parties that drills into everyone saying how fiats are good cars and then goes home and doesn't understand why no one likes him.
>>15147573
>WEW LAD, YOUR POST TOTALLY DOESN'T BACK UP MY ARGUMENT
>YOU'RE A RETARD
Meanwhile, browsing some E90 320ds...
>broken engine at 100k kms
>replaced under warranty
>>15147570
>Mini
>not only very reliable but also way above BMW
Plausible. Every mechanic can confirm this. Can we please stop posting these meme rankings?
>>15147564
agree basically they're all shit and you should get a 306 D turbo 1.9
>>15147469
>proven wrong
>DEFLECT
>DEFLECT
>DEFLECT
>>15147574
Wrong again. Cut that in half and you still have money left to party with some hookers.
>>15147584
>look mom I'm cherrypicking on the internet
https://www.tuv.com/media/germany/tuev_report/TUEV_Report_Gewinner_und_Verlierer_2016.pdf
>>15147584
>caps lock
>>15147584
> posting meme material
> deluded it has any value whatsoever
lol m8, you're stupid AF
forgot about your whole fiasco about bmw power output? trying to concentrate on a used car site not? we haven't forgot!
>>15147584
you're damaging control so hard i'm having trouble breathing from laughing
>>15147601
>accusing of cherrypicking on the internet
>cherrypicks an article
>>15147608
Not really meme material.
I've seen it. More than a couple times, actually.
>>15147584
this is quality shitposting right here
underrated post
> caps lock
lolumadm8?
>>15147616
>an article
I agree with >>15147608 you're dumb as shit.
Go wank to some consumer reports. Let's ignore factual data of europe's biggest technical control board.
>>15147616
like you saw "you friends car"
like you wrongly saw bmws power outputs?
like you wrongly saw jtds reliabilty?
like you wrongly saw the day you bought a shit fiat?
lel
>>15147616
how much does fiat pay you to shill this hard?
if this tripfaggot ended up working with scotty kilmer, they'd be the supreme kings of shilling
>>15147600
engine reconstruction and labour costs 5K??
>>15147635
I actually contacted BMW. They didn't want to pay me.
They said they were too busy replacing cracked blocks and blown turbos.
>>15147648
How come Fiat has spare time lazying all day?
>>15147657
Fiat got the money from Bosch for inventing the Common rail technology.
>>15147672
>muh inventions
And this is how low you have fallen.
>>15147474
>trust any german organ after they said the dieselgate vag cars were ok
KEK
The german marketing cancer has fucked up your brain...
First the jews were to be blamed For Germany's problems, now according to what they say every car manufacturer cheats and they're trying to get the People forgetting the scandal... bastard race.
>>15147716
Muh Nazi stuff
>>>/frischluft/
>>15147716
>bastard race
t. nigger
>>15147716
>mfw listening to germans at work cry about britain leaving the eu
>>15147748
This sums up the Germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb6dBj3ZbKA
The same in sports, the same in the market (dieselgate), the same in politics.
DISGUSTING CHEATERS AND CANCER
>>15147770
seems like a german shat in your breakfast
>>15146915
iDrive is literally the best infotainment system in the market, get your shit straight.
>>15147324
>>15147023
The Alfa lap time was set by a professional driver and the car was a stripped test mule running on hand cut racing slicks.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/10/alfa-romeo-giulia-needs-help-fedeli/
the best thing about this thread, OP complains about quality issues in the giulia.
Posts the m3 that got fucked up and then sold to a costumer
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6792693/Dad-sold-faulty-car-taken-for-burn-up-by-Jeremy-Clarkson.html
>>15147023
Oh man I love the bullshit on these pic.
The Murcielago time is 9 years old, you know, back when car companies didn't jump into the dick measuring time attacks
The SLR time is 12 fucking years old, and they probably didn't care that much to begin with.
The 911 time is from the previous generation, but they dont tell you that cause it seems more impressive that way
the panamera time is 5 years old.
The M4 is the most recent one, and quite a respectable time, for having 50+ less horsepower and 250 more kg.
And then we go up to two digits again with 12 years in the RS4, which was again back in the day manufacturers weren't so hard in the lap time dickwaving.
The RS4, the cadillac and the merc are only there because they are also sedans and they want you to see how fast the alfa is compared to them, so they just used the slowest times.
That said, the time was set in a pre production model and there a lot have been said about the time was said, like how its lighter and set up specifically for attacking the nords, and using tires that are not meant to be used in the final version. Also except for the cadillac time, all the other times are set from car magazines, that do not push the cars to the extreme limit, unlike the alfa that was from the factory drivers.
I would hold my horses until a proper production review after the cars comes out in the market.
>>15147803
He did it a Second time
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBTc5dRaTnU
Once a bastard, forever a bastard
>>15147324
Still heavier than the stripped down guilia.
>>15147807 said all the other things the car had.
>>15147818
the m4 and the giulia weight about the same ± 1500kg
>>15147828
which country are you from m8
>>15147862
I'm from Learn to fart
>>15147854
And since the car is been stripped down, it adds up Tony.
>>15146013
>Alfa Romeo
>Reliability
What did you expect? It's an Alfa. I'ts going to break down.
Even with the issues, it's still better than the M5. Now and forever.
>>15147980
>M5
Retard alert
>>15148007
Coming from the tripfag. Thats rich.
>>15147973
what makes you think that the bmw hasn't been striped down also.
>>15147808
>The steering is shit and the car makes noises
>Jeremy Clarkson drove this one
>I'll buy it!
>Fuck it's actually a shit car
>Take it back plz
>No Mr faggot hair cut
>I'm going to the sun and telling them you willingly sold me a shit car
>>15147101
Cuck
>>15148022
I dont even have a trip, retardo.
>>15148040
The BMW was a stock car running on street tyres when Horst von Saurma set the lap time. And Horst himself has said that he never pushes the cars he tests to 100%, which is obvious, because he is just a journalist
>>15148063
press cars are never stock,
![Sad-Cat-Middle-Finger-05[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/9Cn9qIK.png "Sad-Cat-Middle-Finger-05[1].png")
>>15148057
no bully pls ;_;
>it's another fiat shill getting BTFO left right and center thread
yawn
>>15147808
>www.thesun.co.uk
getting desperate now
>>15147770
Tottaly fortuitous fender bender in a legit manner during a race.
The nigger italian gets rustled up and rams the adversary. Even sadder, the adversarys car continues the race and the nigger italian gets his totaled.
> italian scum
>>15147818
But who cares about facts.
The tripfaggot only cares about muh meme time laps.
>>15148352
let the peasant live in his dream world.
>>15148076
so if v.saurma does a super fast time in the giulia and btfo everyone will you say the same thing?
or does it only go one way?
wish we had flags so we could ignore IPs from third world countries like greece and italy.
>>15148417
range ban yurop from /o/ and /k/ already
>>15147166
No shit.
>check engine light was on
fuckin' Alfas amirite
>one car had backup stuck beeping the whole time
>lolitalianelectronics
>my car didn't allow me to turn off the blinker by pushing the indicator stalk the wrong direction; what a massive fuckup!
u wot m8
>>15148462
all this shit from a brand new PRESS car and you are defending it?
>>15148492
>PRE-SERIES CAR
>defects spotted only by that pleb tier magazine
It's annoying how every article that says something bad about the alfa romeo giulia gets bombarded by alfisti blaming the writer for having "personal vendetta against alfa romeo", or "jumping on the bandwagon", or just being an "alfa hater".
>Article reporting something negative about bmw, audi, VW or mercedes benz
>"German reliability lol. Serves them right, they are all scum and they deserve to fail etc."
>Article reports something negative alfa romeo, and especially the giulia
>"You're just a hater"
>"Payed VW shill"
>"Alfa said is fine, so they are right and you are wrong"
>"Stop trying to sully the good name of alfa romeo for no reason"
I was not aware there were so many cucks in the automotive fanbase. Alfa Romeo is turning out to be the fedora of the automotive industry. Their fans always parroting about soul and passion, when their cars are the same hunk of steel like all the other cars. And if alfa romeo have a "soul", then there are a metric fuckton other cars that deserve a sou too. I like some the old alfa romeos, but godamn, the majority of the fanbase is pants on head retarded.
Sage
>>15148932
>Article reporting something negative about bmw, audi, VW or mercedes benz
This has literally never happened in the entire history of humankind.
>>15148947
yes it has
look up motor trend reviews
>>15148932
>"Payed VW shill"
Here's a notable example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO0ir7DPLc
>cayman: tank on reserve
>4C: full tank and drive mode in Normal/Neutral (instead of dynamic or race)
Also when the 4C is running the time changes randomly depending on the camera shot.
Autoexpress probably has the most biased reviews (paid by VAG obviously) in the world, also when it comes to review English cars because you know, Brits have to shill their product even when there's no money around
>>15148965
That's because Motortrend is American and luckily they seem to be immune to VAG corruption.
For instance see how they're managing to resolve the dieselgate when in Europe nothing happened and not a single, I repeat NOT A SINGLE, customer of a faulty car has been compensated for the damage...in US they get XXXX dollars as refund, in Europe we are so idiot that not only we're not doing anything against these criminals but also we're keeping buying their cars...
>>15148987
Or is it because Motortrend is getting paid by American automakers?
Too many conspiracies, better put my tin foil hat on
>>15148974
Kek
It's like pic related.
>>15149001
>>15148974
They did the same in this review with the M3, during the BMWs lap the time changes and you see sideways shots etc.
So Auto Express is getting paid by Honda as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3n7zhb7aN8
>>15148999
Yes sure thing, I bet it's the same for asian car makers?
See for instance Lexus, here in Europe sells nothing and the reviewers shitpost about this brand also making disinformation when it comes to hybrid models.
Mazda, Infiniti, Nissan, Kia, ecc..
It's the same, nice cars BUT the germans are always better. Always.
>>15148987
Because we know we need to keep the Germans busy building cars or they get restless and start invading everyone
>>15148999
So tell me, all the reviewers that said the Giulia is a good competitor and is above the average when it comes to drive feeling are paid by FCA?
>>15149013
Funny considering the Germans are the ones currently getting invaded.
>>15149025
I don't see any tanks moving into Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkOwFncsMkM
>>15148379
it goes both ways, never trust on a review of a press car
>>15149146
So the OP is invalid
>>15149011
they explained that when they show the video of lap which is being timed doesn't correspond the actual shot of the car, you may see the car being timed and doing a drift but it doesn't correspond to the real lap
>>15149152
all thread is invalid if the cars are pre production series, if no then OP is valid
>>15148417
the trip faggot is from poortugal
>>15148932
Alfa isn't turning to be the fedora of the automotive industry. Alfa is the fedora of the automotive industry. It's fans bask on the so righteous glory days of Alfa when even Ferrari bowed to them. Then Alfa got cucked and still is cucked and these idiots live in a dream long gone.
>>15148947
Plenty of articles out there bashing bmws and mercs. And don't even dare mention Audi. Those shitboxes are nothing more than rebadged VW suited for the badgewhores.
>>15148974
Comparing a shitty Alfa with a 1.7 micro engine with a pedigree brand like Porsche. You live in a fairy tale m8?
>>15148987
But, exactly what damage did the customers got? I'd like to see your pov on that.
> VW scams the emission tests to lower the values
> Cars polute more but have also a tad more performance
> Costumer gets a car a bit more powerful that what is declared on the papers
> Cars get recalled, not mandatory, to get new software, most people don't care and use their cars as they were
Exactly where were the customers scammed and should be warranted a compensation?
Only in dumbfuckistan where you sue your aunt , your cousing and the dog people are so fucking entitled they feel the need to be compensated when everything was in their favor.
>>15149023
>muh Alfa
>muh passion
>muh soul
They might not be paid, but the reviewers certainly aren't unbiased.
>>15149034
Because there's only one way to invade a country.
>>15149162
Shit way to conduct a review.
>>15149279
in a typical car review, you have to describe the car, performance specs, show the how pratical the car is, how performs on a road, on a track and describe how the car feels through corners and stuff like that.
If you have a track you also gonna do a lap time, but if you this all together you are heading for 15,20 mins long video, so they use that tactic to short the videos to 5,10 min
>>15147519
The only reason why the 991.1 GT3/RS were pdk only is because the 7 spd was terribad.
>>15149315
piss poor reviews
>>15149267
>VAG stole muh and your taxes as incentives for fake eco green shit engines and I don't like being robbed
>The engine is not more powerful and as usual is worse than competitors
>Resell value of the vehicle is badly affected (here the stealers either won't take the car or will give you a laughable amount of money for a passat 2.0 tdi)
>As the engine pollutes 100x times more than what the manufacturer declares the customer should pay taxes based on emission (read next point)
>The remap is mandatory because if you don't do it you will have a car with different figures than declared and different from your car's registration
For example in Italy if you won't accept the recall and the remap you will have an illegal vehicle and therefore if you're caught on the public road the police will confiscate your and you'll get a fine.
In Europe you can't register a vehicle that doesn't respect the Euro X pollution rules, so...it's remap or cock in the ass.
Last but not least
>If the manufacturer you bought the car from (maybe you're customer from years) lie to you and scams you...well...
>>15146915
>shit infotainment system
Come on now. BMW makes one of the best infotainment systems. Low quality bait
>>15149635
>Bmw makes
You mean Magneti Marelli (FCA).
>>15149530
>>VAG stole muh and your taxes as incentives for fake eco green shit engines and I don't like being robbed
VAG stole nothing. VAG took the money and built cars. Cars you bought. If they polluted more, that has nothing to do with "stealing".
>>The engine is not more powerful and as usual is worse than competitors
The non corrected engines have a very marginal higher HP output.
>>Resell value of the vehicle is badly affected (here the stealers either won't take the car or will give you a laughable amount of money for a passat 2.0 tdi)
Only idiots care about that. 99% of people continued to do their life as it was, only the gullible idiots went in for software updates and/or tried to renegotiate.
>>As the engine pollutes 100x times more than what the manufacturer declares the customer should pay taxes based on emission (read next point)
They don't pollute anywhere near 100x more. Laws unless for the better, aren't retroactive. So, too bad your car pollutes more. Not your problem. VW is the one to take the blame.
>>The remap is mandatory because if you don't do it you will have a car with different figures than declared and different from your car's registration
Remap is not mandatory. Recalls have been issued and has any recall you go there if you want to.
Check your facts you fucking retard.
And if you wish to refute, provide proof.
>>15149719
you mean some other brand? because MM doesn't do them too
>>15149793
Magneti Marelli does many thing, from "durch technik" led headlights, infotainments, etc..
http://www.magnetimarelli.com/press_room/news/magneti-marelli-activities-detroit-auto-show-naias-and-las-vegas-ces
Definitely the Infotainment in the 3 Series is Magneti Marelli as it's the same used in the Giulia.
>>15149791
>VAG stole nothing. VAG took the money and built cars
Being this delusional and retarded.
Read carefully anon because the next step will be the draw of this explanation. Ok?
>2015
>The X state's government want people to buy ecological cars (hybrid, electric, low emission diesels) for the collective benefit
>VAG manufacturer offers 5 eligible engines
>The government says: "if you buy VAG diesel eco engine you will be granted 5000€ as incentive"
>You go to a dealer and the price for the car is 30000€ minus the state incentive so you have to pay 25000€
>The 5000€ that you haven't paid will be given to VAG from the government treasure cash
>Treasure cash is made of public taxes
>Even if I'm not a VAG customer and I've not had a benefit from these incentives I still gave my money (my taxes) to them
>The world realizes that these engine have a default device (from admission of VAG itself) and therefore they're not green eco shit mother earth friendly engines
>VAG stole the incentives by scamming the state X government
>VAG has not given back the famous 5000€ to the government
State X is not a single state but every state who granted incentives to the german thieves.
Also things like this are happening: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/norways-gigantic-wealth-fund-will-sue-volkswagen-over-dieselgate/
>CHECK YOUR FACTS RETARD
t. an ignorant imbecile denial faggot
>>15149856
Vag still built cars so in the grand scheme of things, money was put to use.
Off course there are sheeple like you, akin to the 15th century peasants that go on with the crowd and claim burn the witch.
Still waiting for the mandatory recall laws.
You're just full of shit and one more angry faggot cry muh diesel.
As if VAG was and IS the only one to do it.
lel
>>15149816
Nope.
Delusional italian cucks.
>>15149892
here in germoney the software update actually IS mandatory. you will get informed by the KBA (Kraftfahrtbundesamt) that you have to visit a shop to update the software. if you dont do it, the next time TÜV (basically 2-year mandatory checkup) checks your car, you wont get the TÜV badge an can't drive the car anymore
>>15149912
>insulting yet not posting informations to counterfeit my statement
http://www.magnetimarelli.com/press_room/news/magneti-marelli-geneva-motor-show-2016
>In the field of electronic systems, the Magneti Marelli infotainment system is adopted by BMW to equip the new 5 Series and 7 Series. The infotainment system adopted by BMW is based on an "open source" technology concept and offers, in its most advanced version, a sophisticated set of features, including navigation, brilliant graphics, Internet access and connectivity including wireless. On the 7 Series Magneti Marelli Automotive Lighting provides as well the LED tail lights.
>>15149963
Where's the idiot?
>>15149892
>As if VAG was and IS the only one to do it.
VAG is the one which uses default devices to specifically cheat on emission tests. They admitted themselves.
The other manufacturers followed the EU directives on emission for omologation process and if the real on the road emissions are higher than what achieved on the EU specified lab tests it's not their problem because they've not cheated. The procedure are garbage and should be remade.
Deal with it butthurt denial faggot, this is the real world not your alternate reality.
FCuckA on damage controlle, we won guys we won
>>15150057
>autism: the post
this was just published
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-first-drive-review
>"We did find a surprising number of electrical idiosyncrasies in the cars we drove in Italy, from freezing display screens to a check-engine light. We also found the interior trim did little to dismiss stereotypes about Italian build quality, with some cheap-feeling switchgear and a center console that deflected under gentle pressure."
ITALY BTFO
>>15150176
>http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-first-drive-review
>we’ve just driven several Giulias at a launch event held both on and near FCA’s vast test track at Balocco in Italy
>Balocco
Again, they're pre-series and they're not the same cars that will be sent to magazines for definitive reviews. It was a preview for journalists the one at balocco.
![1.jpg.822aa0918d3261f78a4200a43f16e3fe[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0KL3Ls6.jpg "1.jpg.822aa0918d3261f78a4200a43f16e3fe[1].jpg")
![2.jpg.842ee72013f773d0efeb0684b760aca2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5rmFE4A.jpg "2.jpg.842ee72013f773d0efeb0684b760aca2[1].jpg")
>>15147257
>caring about a few hundred more in taxes for a 40k car
![3.jpg.6437761f0349ce7894cbf4f5cce4dcfb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MfGp7EO.jpg "3.jpg.6437761f0349ce7894cbf4f5cce4dcfb[1].jpg")
This car is not a pre series since it has been produced at the end of april
>>15150272
Pic related is the proof
>>15150271
>a few hundred more in taxes
there's some seriously retarded countries out there m8, that tiny difference in displacement could mean a couple thousand in initial sales tax and a fair bit monthly
>>15150272
>FAZIT
>Interior build quality is better on the Audi A4 which also is the segment benchmark
Nothing new but therefore this is true:
>das Qualitätsniveau liegt etwa zwischen 3er BMW und Audi A4.
In the end stfu haters and go see the car for yourself before shitposting.
>>15150367
>0-100 kph in 7.1 seconds
huh so the base model alfa is just as quck as my 17 year old base model BMW 3 series
>>15151675
what engine is your 3 series??
>>15151675
Daily reminder that 7,1 seconds is the best 0-100 time in the Class For 170-190 hp diesel engines.
Better than 320d, A4 2.0 tdi, C 220d and XE 2.0d.
You're the Third world tier troll anon, that's not good...
>>15150057
The fuck is wrong with germs
>this was a shill thread all along
nice mafia tactics, toni
>>15153075
it's a 189bhp 2.5 litre petrol
