What's the shittiest country for driving and why is it England?
Everything is so cramped and your national vehicles are shit.
besides the extreme insurance costs until you're 25, i think it's one of the best.
cars are SO fucking cheap in the UK
i remember some anon who picked up a sweet, running TVR for like 500 pounds.
>>15094710
Why are they so cheap?
>>15094698
actually the UK and Ireland are the best european countries for driving
the rest are wayyyyy too cucked with txes and laws
>>15094698
>I should know, I've travelled the world
>>15094728
>swedecuck
lmao go ride your cuckmobile cuckboy
>>15094698
United States.
>all the known fun roads have low speed limits and are full of cops and casuals.
>no grey market importing. because that takes money from companies.
>motorcycle land splitting is only allowed in California.
>no unrestricted interstate sections.
>city and county police think speeding tickets are for raising revenue.
>one UJM motorcycle available on the new market.
>no good weekend warrior racing scene for working stiffs.
>NASCAR, INDY, CART
>lol what is wrc?
>city traffic sucks but most cities have next to no mass transit. so you have to drive in the suck.
>Cash4PerfectlyGoodUsedCars ruined the used car market.
>stancefags
>>15094753
lel why so angry little fella?
>>15094766
>being this much of a cuck
Lmao did you let a Somalian ravage your asshole for breakfast yet? Oh wait no breakfast for you not enough snow to make breakfast.
>>15094754
>Cash4PerfectlyGoodUsedCars ruined the used car market.
I would have taken and restored that Syclone :'^(
>inb4 snarky ass edgy remark about how it belongs there because "stop liking what i don't like"
>>15094718
The same reason you can pick up a dirt cheap Trans Am in the US that would cost 5x that price in other countries.
>>15094862
Mk4 Supra Turbos, MR2 turbos, and VR4s ended up in the scrap heap.
>>15094910
JUST!
What's a good, fun second or third car to get in the UK? Was thinking an NA/NB MX-5 for around 3 grand or so, what else is there in the sub 5 price range? Ideally can be modified a little, pretty reliable and decent em-pay-jays due to our high fuel prices... There's stuff like s2000, old bmw's I'm not too sure on maintenance costs...
>>15094698
Australia is pretty shit, speed cameras and shit speed limits everywhere.
Fucked up laws on modifications means nothing fun is legal. Then there's the fucking kangaroos.
>>15094885
Mate, every car is cheap here. Every single one. Except new and nearly new.
>>15094957
Mg tf 1.8 vvc. Cheap as fuck, mid engine, but got to fix that head gasket issue first though.
>>15098282
>k series head gasket meme
>vvc head
You're a melon.
>>15094910
>>15094928
Perfectly good Aston Martin DB7 too
>>15098226
How the fuck can cops watch you in the outback? Your roads are completely straight for thousands of miles why is there even a speed limit? Cucks.
>>15094957
Jesus, why would you even think of paying more than £1k for an NA/B? Wait till winter and pick one up for about £600.
>>15098285
Thermostat is placed wrong on all Fs and TFs. Combine that with plastic head gasket fittings and you have a problem. Easy fix though, just move the thermostat from the water pump to the head outlet, and get metal fittings to replace the plastic ones. Other than that the MGF and TF are reliable as fuck. My VVC been going for years and no head gasket failure since the first one before I did the thermostat mod.
>>15094698
>confirmed for never having checked up on the plight of car owners and roads in denmarkistan
Country roads are usually shit and filled with more potholes than asphalt, highways are usually too small. Taxes are fuckhueg insane and while licenses are expensive, the classes and courses are laughably easy, so people drive like retards. Meanwhile the average copper is a troutshouldered faggot who'd rather stop mrs. Jensen for doing 5 over, than stop rashid the ricerboi or brian brotruck when they have an impromptu dragrace near a school. (they might resist arrest, and we can't get wrinkles in those nice uniforms now)
>>15098337
Cops are under the impression that "speed kills", except EVERYWHERE, so they equate 2000km stretches of road as having the same fatality rate as metro freeways.
I live in WA and what shits me off the most is that a large majority of our road fatalities are on country roads, and they've only just been caught out putting speed cameras/red light camera's all over the place in metro areas using country road fatalities as an excuse.
What's even worse is that we have cunts that like wrapping commodores around countryside trees and this spurs news sections with ol' Liza telling everyone to slow down and that they'll be putting extra speed cameras on the roads to save lives.
Nothing but a fucking cashgrab.
>>15098226
Only in city areas really, country is great for doing skids.
>>15098377
>Country roads are usually shit and filled with more potholes than asphalt
Mate, I strongly suggest visiting eastern European rural roads. In fact, any roads.
England is probably one of the best to be honest, you can do absolutely anything to your car so long as it meets safety regulations.
Cars are in abundance and absolutely dirt cheap.
No import laws that I'm aware of, you can drive anything, you can even road register a tank of you wish.
Roads are only shit in built up areas, mainly London, if you leave London its pretty amazing.
>>15098449
But I do, anon. I use them every day and see their deplorable state. Sure, the worse ones in der denmarkia are comparable to the better country roads in vatnikstan. But when one of the taxes levied upon danish drivers is specifically for the upkeep of the roads, it's bothersome to see that the municipalities would rather use money on reparations when your car gets fucked by potholes, than just keep the roads driveable. (if you can prove their pothole was responsible) The road around the village where my parents live recently got expanded and two cars can now barely pass eachother if they get deep into the grass kerb. Progressive.
>>15094718
Theyre selling all their cars because they see no use when theres traffic 24/7 and small gay complicated roads.
They busdrive or get a bicycle
>>15094698
>What's the shittiest country for driving and why is it England?
You mean one of the best ones?
Cheap as fuck cars, you only pay annual road tax that isn't even based on emissions as long as the car is from before 2001, loads of twisties and B roads everywhere, you can do pretty much whatever you want to your car.
>>15094719
>actually the UK and Ireland are the best european countries for driving
And far far better than the USA.
>>15094718
RHD plummets resell value, especially considering the rest of yurop is LHD. You'd think the UK was a self contained market or some shit but that only makes it worse since not enough people to buy your used shitheap
>>15099308
resale value*
>>15094862
Scotlander here. If I didnt have to pay extortionate fuel prices from fuel stolen from my waters I would absolutely get a Syclone.
>>15094957
I was gonna get an mx5 but the bodywork issues were just too much so ended up with an mr2 mk 3 with an engine upgrade.
>>15094789
/pol/ is leaking again
>>15099339
The truth is leaking...
>>15094698
Bendy roads, cars with handling, relatively lax regulations, and your car can't be legally stolen from the driveway by a 'housing authority' just because it 'makes the neighbourhood look bad'.
>>15094698
Germany, fun cars are expensive and rare, TÜV are Nazis that don't allow fun modifications or cheap older cars, insurance is expensive as fuck any car that might be driven by people who might drive for fun, stuck in traffic all the time because of retarded drivers, roads are engineered to be not fun, almost no twisty roads, almost no straights, only long bends with bushes on the inside so you can't overtake, autobahn is a joke, always crowded and limited to 120 kph almost everywhere. Also better sell your soul to Satan to afford gas for anything that's not a 1l 3 cylinder maximum econobox.
>>15099402
That's just the european standard though, and at least the roads in germany are overall pretty gud
>>15094718
MOT testing.
Basically, any car older than three years has to pass an annual test of roadworthiness. You can fail it for a blown headlight bulb or worn tires, or excessive rust.
If a car looks like it won't pass, you sell it and buy one that's passed recently. Or you spend hundreds fixing it up.
A damp climate means old cars tend to have undercarriage rust, particularly on brake lines.
>>15099377
>and your car can't be legally stolen from the driveway by a 'housing authority' just because it 'makes the neighbourhood look bad'.
Story?
>>15094698
It would have to be that one country with lots of poor brown people, bad infrastructure, decaying and terrible roads, and all sorts of violent bullshit where going out to get something to eat can get you killed: America.
>>15094710
>extreme insurance costs until you're 25
even that's a myth. Couple years no claims and you're talking £600 a year unless you're being retarded and trying to insure an M5 at 19
>>15100613
>25
>4 years NCB
He's right.
>>15100626
Stop living in a shitty city.
>>15098752
>describing roads as small gay and complicated
lel
In the UK you can drive tracked vehicles on the public roads like it was just a car.
I would love to be able to do that in the USA. Get an old surplus M113 APC and drive around for errands.
>>15100646
It's Northern Ireland, our insurance costs are even worse than England. In case we use our cars as provo-mobiles.
>>15094789
>getting this triggered someone doesn't automatically fawn over your uniformed opinion
>>15094885
I was torn between a 71 camaro with a 396 or a 67 galaxie 500 with a 390 each for 3k a few years back, but spotted my s2 and decided to spend a little extra on that. I'm still on the lookout for a 73 chevelle (one with a six banger on ebay currently for £6k!!! Pure boomer tax) or some other cheap american muscle
>>15100667
>In the UK you can drive tracked vehicles on the public roads like it was just a car.
Yet you can't legally drive a car with a rust pin hole in the paint... What's wrong with you guys?
>>15099335
>mk 3
absolutely hideous
>>15100692
>Yet you can't legally drive a car with a rust within a specified distance of crucial structural areas... What's wrong with you guys?
>>15100705
I can see if the frame rails are cracked from rust but I've heard of cars failing the MOT or whatever because of a tiny rust hole in the body. Ooooo because a tiny amount of CO could creep in, lol you pussies. That's one of many reasons why the UK is a terrible place.
>>15100736
ah did you hear about that did you? well that's okay then. carry on
>>15100692
why would you let some dumbass drive a rusted bucket of shit?
>>15100736
poorfag detected
how poor do you have to be you can't afford to fix a small rusthole as soon as it forms?
>>15099402
>almost no twisty roads
Maybe if you are a north german plain dweller
>autobahn is a joke, always crowded and limited to 120 kph almost everywhere.
Only around the urban areas.
Rest is true.
>>15100626
I'm 23 in Birmingham and am insuring my 300hp s2 for £800 with 1 year ncb because I had to retake my test after running from the law. I'd consider that nae bad.
Do you live in central London perchance?
>>15100769
who's ur insurer m8
at least they dont have to wait 25 years old to import cars desu
>>15100782
Because they import everything, even the gas station attendants
>>15100747
A car can be rusty as fuck and still be structurally sound and perfectly safe. There's no need to scrap a car because of a patch of rust. I'd rather live with the off chance of being killed by somebody's rust bucket then be controlled by the government like that.
>>15100752
That rat rod life. Guess it's too much fun for you guys on your depressing island.
>>15100789
I seem to recall someone having a massive problem with niggers and illegal mexicans.
![Dtype-04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ian1czb.jpg "Dtype-04[1].jpg")
>>15100790
>poorfag who can't afford to fix rust
>b-but you don't get it, its supposed to be a rusted piece of shit on purpose
Loving. Every. Laugh
>>15100790
>all this delusion
yes, americans can drive what they like can't they? no government control in the land of the free!
>>15100736
if the rust is on a external service and deemed a danger to pedestrians... isn't it obvious? Same with any panel, if its damaged...
![redneck_car_hacks_23[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MOEnJFG.jpg "redneck_car_hacks_23[1].jpg")
>>15100790
>muh freedumbs to drive a rusted piece of shit!
thank god i don't live in the thrid world
>>15100821
kek, btfo
>>15100812
Oi M8. I see a exposed hole in the body! I'm going to report you to the MOT! Say hi to the crusher M8. I swear on me mum.
>>15094698
england is shitty for car drivers in the cities, because the cities car not for the car driver. However being a motorcyclist, apart from the huge cost of obtaining license, is amazing, wicked twisty roads, insurance is reasonable, easy to avoid police and mobile speed cameras. Don't get stuck in traffic... life is great
>>15100831
>congestion fees
>>15100830
>Say hi to the crusher M8.
funny because in america your car will get crushed even if it doesnt have rust
http://jalopnik.com/watch-the-feds-crush-an-imported-nissan-skyline-1753280296
>>15100835
>one city which had a major congestion problem
>>15094698
But it's not England, that would be Australia
>drives on the wrong side of the road
>all kinds of fackin wildlife to total your commo with
>ridiculously harsh drink drive rules
>notoriously harsh anti-hooning laws
>wide open fackin land and roads with ridiculously low speed limits
>>15099290
Depends on where in the USA.
Not everything is California or New York. There are 3000 miles in between both coasts, all with different laws, road quality, etc.
For example, the Western part of North Carolina or Georgia are absolutely wonderful. Everything is a super smooth winding road, but if you go to places like Michigan or Texas the roads are abysmal.
>>15094754
>known fun roads
go pretty much anywhere that isnt right next to the bay or LA and you're golden
>britbong reviewing a car
>"It's great here at [country of origin] but how does it do on our INFAMOUSLY HORRIBLE British roads?"
>spends the next ten minutes lambasting that the ride comfort isn't as good as it should be
>>15100692
>rust pin hole in the paint
where are your sources breh I've MOT'd many a rustbucket no prob. The only way you'll have issues is if structural parts or brake/fuel lines are actually rotting.
>>15094754
>no grey market importing
I've been daily driving a rhd grey market import in Florida for over 4 years now without an issue. Its not difficult to do even if the car is newer than 25 years.
>>15100736
>I've heard
FUCKING DROPPED
>>15100626
Wow, a free robot toy!
>>15100842
>other cities in Europe have them now too
>implying they won't just keep adding fees to more cities.
I do like how uK handles emissions. CO2 tax based on emissions. polluting cars can stay on teh road as long as you can pay for them.
Instead of the USA. Where you have to meet some arbitrary emissions standard or have the care be an antique.
>>15100948
then why no twingo?
>>15100830
>amerilards in charge of not being completely clueless
>>15100948
>in florida
just in florida though, because if its own laws, anywhere else and its getting crushed
>>15100992
>then why no gay piece of shit no one wants?
>>15100839
>http://jalopnik.com/watch-the-feds-crush-an-imported-nissan-skyline-1753280296
Oh wow is this what actually happens?
>a car
>BANNED IN AMERICA
gg fatties I'll have fun building or importing whatever the fuck I want and being able to drive it without the gubmint destroying my shit
LAND OF THE FREE
>>15100771
Sorry pal I went out, I'm with Admiral. Never had to actually use them though so I have no idea if they'll try to bum me or not on the off chance I get btfo by saqib and his 7 mates
>>15100867
>Georgia
yeah but then you risk jaykwon doin nuffin to you and your whip
>>15100769
Northern Ireland unfortunately.
>>15099377
>legally stolen from the driveway by a 'housing authority' just because it 'makes the neighbourhood look bad'.
greentext ples
What is Thailand? #2 in road deaths, roads are not actually that bad, but no parking. Anything not made there or not in a trade deal is massively taxed, see yoke for an accord, 90k for 3 series. Decent amount of bikes are cheap but only ninja tips, not stuff like 636s, but you can't go fast due to stray dogs and dumbasses. For better or worse you can bribe all the cops, but that means any person of higher social sta ding wins, even if they caused a death. I saw so many dead bodies while li big there, they are selfish, can't drive for shot, and succumb to the Asian value of Face so easily...
>>15100879
Really though. Anywhere populated in CA sucks nuts driving, but there's plenty of middle of nowhere that's great and less cop prone.
>>15101710
Case in point, Mine's Loop.
>>15094957
I was looking at an 80s FC for a second car at around £2000 but I'm not sure about maintenance or insurance
>>15102310
Same guy, what do you all think if FCs? They're one of my dream cars and definitely one of the most attainable. I accept that it wouldn't be too reliable and would be more of a project car but I'd plan to modify it later.
>>15100769
>Birmingham
Why haven't you killed yourself?
>No Puerto Rico
The roads are absolute shit. Holes EVERYWHERE. Bumps and pots and fucking everything. Deformities as far as the eye can see, and then some.
Speed limit in the city, 25 miles per hour. Highway, 55~60 miles per hour. There's no way to not exceed the limit unless you drive like a fucking grandmother.
There's no long roads anyways. And a lot of the roads aren't flat. There's a shitload of hills and cramped streets.
The driving experience is horrible.
>>15102382
Because I live and work in paki-free areas
>tfw Finnish
Can't beat these gravel roads or buttfuck nowhere innawoods sand roads
>>15094910
And nothing of value was lost :'<)
>>15102616
Your gravel roads have shit on Canada's, Finland is a flat shitty swamp. Plus we don't have expensive ass gas and retarded licensing. It's a shame we don't have a rally scene here.
>>15098226
>accidentally chirp wheels while making a left turn
>given $900 ticket and car impounded for hooning
>>15094957
Oddly enough, the jaguar xk8. It's not as difficult to work on and the community is extremely supportive.
Also insurance is £1300 for a 26 year old male living in London where car insurance is the most expensive
>>15098337
don't listen to that guy, we have the fucking biggest amount of uninhabited wilderness of pretty much any country. I drove 1400km recently through alot of outback and yeah there are cops sometimes but I didn't see any and cruised well above the limit. the Citys are shit for driving but thats standard in most places
>>15094698
It isn't. Imagine a place were there are no real corners, everything is flat, barely any scenery, speed traps are normal, cars are expensive as fuck to buy, own and use
>>15103812
Of course there's no rally scene, no one there knows how to drive on gravel
>Portugal
>literally cannot mod anything at all without having it approved which costs money and it's not even guaranteed it will be
>yearly roadworthiness inspections after the car is 4 years old
>a dead bulb means it won't pass
>>15094698
> your national vehicles are shit
I don't know shit about driving in the UK, (although I know that the north of the country is not that densely populated), but I legitimately think that the Brits make the best cars in the world if you want somewhat affordable fun cars.
Lotus, Caterham, Ariel, Ginetta, TVR, etc.
>>15105146
>It isn't. Imagine a place were there are no real corners, everything is flat, barely any scenery, speed traps are normal, cars are expensive as fuck to buy, own and use
It's as if you are writing about Australia.
>>15094710
>cars are SO fucking cheap in the UK
I'm sure that's why you poms mostly drive Ford Focuses.
>>15094957
i got my NC MX-5 for under £5k. MX-5s aren't brilliant on the em pee gees front but they tick your other boxes
>>15099402
The Netherlands is worse. Even more expensive gas, even less fun allowed, way higher taxes, the country is literally fucking flat. Also no autobahn.
On the other hand, inspections are not as nazi-tier and insurance is reasonable.
>>15106032
most people are not car enthusiasts and just want an a-b grocery getter that sucks as little fuel as possible.
Hence most burgers drive camrys, corollas, altimas etc
>chinese cartoon reaction image
wew
>>15105059
>currently looking for a new car
>going to spend £3-4k
>see this
>>15106053
Tryhard amerilard busdiver BTFO
>>15106067
I was looking at them in the 5k range a year or so back and decided against it due to the sheer cost of parts
>>15099521
That's what American homeowner associations can do. If your car doesn't meet their arbitrary standards, they're legally allowed to remove it from the area permanently.
The same with your house; if you don't keep up appearances, WHOOPS, compulsory purchase for a fraction of it's value. Away on business/on tour in iraq? LOL WE STOLED UR HOUSE AND CAR.
>>15100669
That's because you're terrorists.
>>15100790
>That rat rod life.
> Rat rod
> HURR DURR THE RUST IS MEANT TO BE THERE
> IT'S STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE BECAUSE MUH AESTHETIC
No, there's a reason you fucks are illegal.
>>15100789
>gas station attendants
> Government doesn't even trust you to pump your own fuel
>>15100831
This. Cities are awful for cars because they aren't designed for cars. Just fucking avoid avoid avoid.
>>15101308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association
>In some U.S. states (such as Texas) a homeowners association can foreclose a member's house without any judicial procedure in order to collect special assessments, fees and fines, or otherwise place an enforceable lien on the property which, upon the property's sale, allows the HOA to collect otherwise unpaid assessments.
Unelected authorities appointing themselves and being granted legal powers over your private property on land you own. Sounds awfully communist to me. But at least they pretended to have elections.
> YOUR CAR IS TOO LOUD
> YOUR ATTITUDE IS WRONG
> WE'RE TAKING YOUR STUFF
> LEGALLY
> DON'T LIKE IT? WE'LL HAVE YOU ARRESTED
>>15106053
>just want an a-b grocery getter that sucks as little fuel as possible.
This. I got one because it was reliable and cheap to run, and would let me build credit and savings. It's also comfy as fuck and fun to throw around because it's got proper suspension, and doesn't require days-long rebuilds every year.
>>15099402
I can confirm. Paying 800€ insurance on a shitty toyota yaris is just way too much.
>>15106114
That isn't too far off what I would be paying for insurance on a Yaris in the UK because I'm 18 and I've only been driving for 1 year and a few months.
>>15106114
>>15106159
I was quoted 2900 euro a year on a 1.0 Lupo. 19 and just got my permit
>>15106219
Haha what.
I was quoted 900 pounds for a 1.6 Civic at 18.
>>15106319
Holy fuck is that with a blackbox as well?
Where do you live and why is it so expensive.
uk has a problem with cut and shut cars
>>15106384
South Ireland. To be honest I don't know what the fuck is going on, I'll phone a bunch of agencies later and ask them over the phone. Maybe get signed on my fathers policy or something
>>15094862
>I would have taken and restored that Syclone :'^(
Well, you could have bought it for $4,500, but you didn't. Boo fuckin hoo.
>>15106032
Don't you dare try and shit on the Focus my Australian chum
>>15106407
Bu having a problem with them you mean we don't allow them on the roads.
>>15106427
Irish insurance has always been high, it has to cover the cost of American funded terrorism. If uncle Paddy hadn't blown up pubs in Birmingham your insurance would be much less.
>>15106407
They're legal in the US, Roadkill did one recently that everyone fapped over despite it being a pile of shit
>>15098752
>roads
>gay
Faggot
>>15094698
Sealand is empirically the worst for car driving.
Worst country for driving is probably Vatican City, I mean it doesn't even have any roads
>>15107128
>sealand
Top kek
/thread/
>>15106067
>>15106087
I thought that too until I took the plunge and did it. The community does a really good job helping you to fix most of the problems by yourself.
>>15094710
The trick with insurance is to buy an old mans car.
Nobody ever steals these and their owners certainly don't get pissed up and start bigging it up in Lidl's car park in front of their mates.
BTW don't pass it along as you'll ruin it for the rest of us.
>>15107674
Yeah because I've got a spare £100K to splash on an old Aston Martin
>>15107682
Put it another way "yur mom" doesn't get stolen for shits and giggles.
Or does she ?
>>15100669
provo- mobiles, that's a fucking good one. south of the border things are good enough these days, provided youre not 17. if it wasn't for the fuel costs, you'd be sorted
