I'm looking at a 88 Celica GT and I'm wondering how good the 3sfe engine is. 128k miles and has maintenance records.
Reliable, not very powerful
its a gutless, low power, oil drinking tank.
it will fucking last, but dont expect to get anything more than 100hp to the wheels.
it has the worst possible horse power torque curve, but it will get you there.
>>13962526
It burns oil?
>>13962537
what a shit engine
>>13962569
I don't know of any 90's Toyota engine that doesn't.
>>13962526
>>13962537
>muh torkz
>>13962569
burns oil, and leaks oil.
valve stem seals leak down after resting, and it has 2 or maybe 3 piston rings, so it has a ton of blowby and the crank case vent is constantly blowing oil into the intake, that an the egr is notorious for blowing enough shit back in behind the throttle body to make it stick and freeze shut on a cold day.
>>13962495
its so damn good my friend drove one with rod knock for 400 miles over mountain roads. he then dailied it to work for 3 weeks while he assembled a new replacement engine.
>>13962526
very wrong about power. my friends rebuilt engine was putting out 150ish at the wheels. had some jdm ecu on it, no cats, etc
>>13962537
>le torque meme
Literally nobody cares.
>>13962629
uh, mine is jdm, the whole engine and its straightpiped. and it does not make 150 to the wheels.
>>13962578
>>13962607
Shut the fuck up.
>>13962684
what you going to do, blow oil on me?
>>13962692
Litteraly 99% of /o/ has no clue what they are talking about. You're one of them
>>13962629
well, I drove a CA18DET with rod knock for about 150 miles, and I don't think the CA is a particularly good or reliable engine. if you're lucky and don't drive like an idiot, an engine can survive a long time with some rod knock.
>>13962704
>CA18DET
Better than a SR or KA in terms of reliability
>>13962698
yeah, the guy who has owned one for 21 years has no clue.
how about you fuck off.
>>13962712
I've owned several 3sfe and 5sfe and 3sge and 3sgte.
Never burnt oil
You suck at cars
>>13962718
you have owned several
i have owned ONE
i dont think im the one who cant into cars.
>>13962712
>owning a car for 21 years
How old are you and why the fuck are you still here?
>>13962727
You're one is a pile of shit while my several were running very well
>>13962712
>21 years
And still hasn't fixed it.
Do you even cars?
>>13962738
>were
so you killed them, or got bored with how gutless they were?
>>13962734
>not driving a car into the dirt.
54, deal with it nerd.
>>13962745
you cant fix bad engineering.
>>13962758
>you cant fix bad owners
Ftfy
>>13962769
How about the 85 Celica Supra?
>>13962712
>21 years
>talking shit about a car that served you this long
>not getting a different car
>just gonna bitch about it for 21 FUCKING YEARS
>>13962802
being gutless as shit and burns oil is the only complaint.
notice how i said its a fucking tank and will last forever?
i have all rights to talk shit about this engine.
this car might out live me.
and i cant afford another car.
>>13962823
post pics of yours!
>>13962574
You said it. What a piece of fucking garbage.
It's not even reliable when it burns and leaks all the oil out. The seals are the worst ever
>>13963257
>>13962574
Samefag
>>13962629
you're certainly talking about the 3sge, not sfe
I really doubt a stock sfe would put out 150 at the wheels
red pill me on mk3 supras /o/.
>>13967855
Junk. Go with mk2
just got a 96 celica that needs quite a bit of work on it to pass safety. If I buy a 95 will I be able to use the parts to fix it?
>>13967462
It was an 1987 Celica. Forgot which engine those have, but I have a Celica All Trac with a 3S GTE and we were neck and neck together.
albiet my car is a bit heavier and doenst have a fresh rebuilt. He had no problem keeping up
>>13968445
they had both actually
>>13968078
Not him but there are no good Mk2's for sale by me. I'm honestly to the point where I'm thinking of just going for the mk3
>>13967855
blown head gaskets.
4AGZE master race reporting.
>>13962495
>timing belt
ABORT
Carbon 86 Reporting In
Car just got off the trailer, Carbon Trunk and Hood gonna be on order.
Interior is getting put back together tomorrow.
ENGINE CHOICES?
1) 4AGTE Converted from a 4AGZE
2) 4AGE 20v
3) 7AGE
4) OTHER SUGGESTIONS?
>>13967855
Owned mk3.
Set on fire within 2 weeks of ownership.
>>13971464
1uz with itbs or supercharged
>>13971978
seconding
>>13967855
You feel every single pound of that ridiculously heavy car, the steering is somehow both heavy and numb, even the turbo models are not that fast at all, the only good thing about them is that they're dirt cheap, RWD and have a better than nothing engine, everything else is absolute dogshit. And because they're so cheap, they're owned exclusively by ricers, beaners and wannabe drift faggots, none of which can afford to maintain them or keep them in any kind of decent shape. Don't even get me started on the suspension.
While inferior to the Mk.II, they look a lot like what a bmw 850 might have if it was made in the 80s. If you absolutely need an 80's wedge for cruising, I guess you could do worse because they are so cheap.
So it's basically a half-again 240sx.
what is the best non interference Toyota engine to turbo charge ?
my investigation so far points to 5E
3TC reporting in
>>13972091
>non-interference
enjoy your shitty compression and cam timing
>>13972194
>shitty compression
was going to turbo it anyway
>cam timing
is going to be changed also
>>13972224
>is going to be changed
then it will no longer be non-interference..
or u could stop being a sissy and just maintain your timing system
>>13972227
>then it will no longer be non-interference
safe to say you have no idea what your on about
>maintain your timing system
irrelevant to catastrophic failure
>>13972234
>this guy thinks catastrophic failures in mechanical systems happen randomly
kek
>this guy doesn't know cam timing and lift is what determines interference
kek
can /o/ stop with the interference engine meme
it's almost as annoying as the group b rally meme
>>13971978
>>13971997
Not a v8 man myself.
>>13969006
Mine is the turbo, his isnt. I dont know the difference in engine names
>>13971464
>>13971997
or a beams with stacks
>>13972247
Piston crown height and deck height. Heaps of big cam engines getting about that are non-interference.
how do i get over fwd inferiority complex
>>13973623
Celica?
It is a camry engine literally, mediocre totally not performance-oriented. I don't even know what the purpose of dual cams if the head is so narrow. All mentioned above about oil is true. I had 88 celica with 3sfe, topped oil full one day, three days later driving home noticed oil pressure gauge shows nothing, when I stopped bearings were shot already. Otherwise pretty usual Toyota FE engine. Very reliable and simple. Good engine in a camry, not so in st162
>>13973588
Hmm well I have a few options but still unsure.
Breams ia a good swap however I can get better power for around the same price with an f20c
Regardless! Todays work was installing all carbon fibre bits to the side panels and putting in the factory belts. Replaced the headlight shit with carbon, and the sunroof!
Tomorrow is putting back in the custom carbon sub box!
Anyone have recomendations on a nice race style seat that is still good for daily use?
No reps!
>>13976491
>>13976496
Night pics are best pics!
>>13976505
Sorry for the messy car! Its busy in there.
>>13972247
>bro tip you can change lobe separation and duration without changing the lift hight
>>13976511
Gave the origin carbon bumper to my buddy.
I have a bumper from my old caldina Ive wanted to us on something forever now. THIS MIGHT BE MY CHANCE EVERYONE.
>>13976524
are you retarded?
of course changing timing doesn't change lift.
that doesnt change the fact that cam timing is important aspect as to whether your valve will interfere with the piston.
thats a remedial bro tip for you.
>>13976563
shorter lift longer duration and a 112 deg lobe separation
+the yota motor only revs to around 6k
are you missing something about this
do I have to walk you though everything
>>13973617
Yeah, no.
being non-interference is code for an engine with dogshit torque (low compression) and no power per liter (no lift and/or shit timing)
building an engine around the retarded limitation that it must not be interference is shooting yourself in the foot over a meme.
>>13976593
youre just typing words that have no meaning or relevance to the argument.
lift and duration are not synonymous. you dont get the same effect of lift by simply increasing duration.
lift = more power everywhere all the time with no compromise
duration = power in a certain range by compromising power in another range
low lift = shit (in relevance to your head flow)
duration is a tuning parameter, lift is not.
>>13972091
4AGZE Is the best engine to turbo charge.
>>13976594
>2015
>still having valves/pistons that can collide
Pistonkeks pls
>>13968207
Yes, probably
Don't trust me though since I have the AWD one not the FWD shitbox version. But it should be basically the same going oonly 1 year apart. On the other hand there were a number of changes between 95-96 on the GT-Four so maybe there was a facelift on FWD ones too.
>>13976661
>his favourite engine is too shit to still be made
>>13972091
3S-GTE
It's non-interference and turbo stock... Also better than basically every previous toyota 4. Don't get a Rev. 2.
>>13972247
>the group b rally meme
meme?
>>13976742
>empty plastic silhouette of a car
>>13976636
>power in a certain range by compromising power in another range
>forced induction
I'm really not seeing the problem here
besides
>5E
110 bhp at 6,400 rpm
91 lb·ft at 3,200 rpm
>4AGE
112 hp at 6,600 rpm
97 lb·ft at 4,800 rpm
>>13976594
3SGTE says otherwise
>>13976848
it's just physics
you can't argue with it.
Bought a 1985 Toyota celica GTS convertible
I want to do real initial D shit
Tell me about the mistake I made
>>13976885
nit picking over diminishing returns
engine explodes
>>13976902
Is it an alltrac at least?
>>13976902
3s-gte swap
red high intensity discharge lamps in the pop ups
flamethrower exhaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS3HDUDahnY
>>13977010
It's rwd
>>13977015
It's too late man
I'm fucked
How do I fix the convertible part so it's a coupe
>>13977036
get a roll cage installed then hang a roof panel off that
>>13977036
Try and find a Soarer front end and swap it out for max
【J D M C R E D】
hey fa/tg/uys
currently looking for my first car, got a choice between
'87 Celica GTR for $1750 (a little pricey)
(im only getting $1400 from parents for first car, so having to contribute myself)
or this '88 Corolla, no final price yet but probably gonna be around $1200 i think.
Theres another '91 corolla for $800 it has the FX/GT bumpers and spoiler but the seller says itsonly a 1300. so not sure if it has the 4AGE or the 2EE engine.
>>13977262
>>13977257
Honestly I'd get the Corolla. They Celica is an FF car dressed up to look a bit more sporty, it's still a very practical vehicle and if popup headlights and the sleeker look are worth an extra 300 autism NEET bux to you by all means go for it (or stop spilling spaghetti and haggle a bit), otherwise they're both cheap shitboxes only the Corolla is lighter, has more doors and would probably be better on gas.
>>13977257
>getting free money from parents for a vehicle
>complaining
>>13977282
Ask the seller. Then, go there, open the hood and check. If it's the wrong engine and the guy insists it is laugh in his face, fart loudly and walk away.
>>13977308
theres so much shit on there which really sucks because theres this for $1200 but the description makes it sounds like the guy's been ragging on it hard and its gonna take another pile of cash to get in a reasonable state.
An SW20 turbo that doesnt idle and the interior was taken out (comes with the car but not installed for $1000
i wanted something that runs thats gonna be fun/sporty.
>>13977317
i didnt mean to sound ungrateful i just wanted to add in that the GTR would have to be something special because im not mr moneybags and would prefer to keep it within parents budget to get a full service and detail the day i get it.
>>13977326
yeah, theres a couple within budget that are like "b-but thats an FXGT bodykit... it should be a 1500cc not a 1300cc"
Also pic related is cheapish at $1850, paint is fucked though its mechanically sound. wondering if anyone knows anything about these. seems good with the cover on the bed too, kinda like a wagon.
i know you might not like it but fitting some black D window steelies, tidying the paint and lowering it a little (not stance, just to give it a more super truck style while still being functional) way out of my price range desu.. but a man can dream.
>>13977327
That thing looks bagged on...
Take this thing
>>13977262
80s Yota is best Yota.
>>13971464
Did you buy this off of DK?
>>13977092
Proof?
>>13978302
My buddy had it, I ended up doing a bit of stuff to it and getting it off him.
Its been through a few people but Its mine now so whatever I guess.
>>13979475
meesa jar jar binks
>>13979475
Where is it located? Rasta's old carbon coupe was just for sale on DK like a week ago, did you get it from that guy, or is there two identical carbon coupes out there?
>>13979475
It's >>13979596
Again, I just went through the pics on DK and that's definitely the same car I'm talking about, are you SweetBB from there?
>>13979596
I knew it was rastas at one point, when I got it a lot of the carbon was missing and still is, trying to piece back together what needs to be carbon.
Doors and trunk are on order, hood is still waiting for a decent deal.
>>13979625
Yeah I am, I ended up not selling the car. I was gonna trade it for a stock coupe, but this one is so rust free it was worth it to keep/
>>13979596
Im located in the Fraser Valley.
>>13971464
Performance/$$$ - GZE or Altezza 3SGE (or a 1GGTE if you don't mind a bit of weight)
Special snowflake - 7AGE with silvertop head
>>13979662
Yeah sorry for asking so many questions man, saw the car and I was like I know that from somewhere. You should post a build thread on DK, I'd love to see how you build it up since it's one of the nicer coupes I've seen! Have you decided on what engine your going to drop in?
>>13977308
>>13977393
im gonna wait and see if i can find something fun and RWD.
>>13979783
>>13979674
Engine Im slowly actually leaning towards an f20c. I can get one for a good price and its an incredible engine!
If not it will be beams but first the chassis needs to be completed before I choose the enigne, Im just trying to get ideas in my head.
As for a build thread, I dont feel I click with anyone on DK. Plus everyone remebers this car as rastas. Which I dont want.
Im hoping I can build it enough that it wont be his anymore.
Also I dont mind questions haha, this car is defiantly something.
Today I got nothing done. So I put this sticker on.
>>13977308
FF cars are sporty dickhead
>>13962495
>3sfe
It's a gutless engine but it's incredibly reliable.
>>13980553
>leaks oil
>burns oil
>chews headgaskets
but it's really reliable guys. toyota right? right??
>>13980671
Shut your mouth
Give advice in the convertible celica
>>13980497
They're good guys once you get to know them, really tight knit community. Don't sweat people recognizing the car, it happens more than you'd think. It's not unusual that someone will post a hachi in the not mine thread or the build section and the members will recognize it as "pauls old coupe" or something. F20c is a great engine, I had a buddy with one in his hatch and man did that thing pull! I would never put one in my car though, I'm too much of a 4AGE fanboy, 16v until I die baby!
1985 22R-R
Rebuilt about 60,000 miles ago
The mass air sensor may be bad
Engine could use a tune up
How much will this cost me?
>>13982127
1985 22RE
Emphasis on the TOY
Ducking children
Drive a real car
>>13982549
Problem?
TOYota
>>13984323
It's someones name. What of it?
>>13984327
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYota
Ducking starwars action figures for you huh pusswipe?
>>13984667
I'm not sure what you're getting at
My Carina totally died today. The engine block is fucked.
R.I.P.
P.S. I'm probably gonna buy a BMW next, sorry guys
>>13982127
Pls reepond
Hahaha toyota
>>13982127
$15 to get a multimeter to detect the ass air sensor and see if its working correctly.
what do you mean by "a tune up"?
>>13977338
couldnt find any D-Window steelies in the right angle to shop them in but you get the idea.
>>13987655
Maintanence
Oil, spark plugs, etc.
>>13987879
go to your local autoparts store and ask. or search online.
id search but its sunday no work today
Had to replace the 22RE in my gen-1 4Runner after the head gasket blew, and the guys that did the swap (Greg's Jap Auto) would only do synthetic blend after the break-in period. Now the oil's due to be changed again, should I swap it back to conventional? I'm not much of a mechanic yet, but my roommate who is suggests to go conventional since that's what the 22RE was designed for.
tl;dr synth or conventional for 22RE?
>>13987879
about $200 id estimate if you did it yourself
Transmission oil
Engine oil
engine oil filter
engine air filter
Spark plugs
fuel filter
>>13987975
If it was using synthetic from brand new, you can stay synthetic. They were designed to run on conventional though, so keep that in mind.
My friends 22re in her '95 4runner had really bad leak down through the rings when they went from conventional to synthetic, but the motor had been used hard for a long time. We changed it back to conventional and there was a significant drop in hte oil leaking through the rings
>>13988939
Well, it's a remanufactured engine, wasn't crate or anything. It has synth blend in rather than straight synth. And yeah, I'm particularly asking due to them being designed for conventional. Guess I'll switch it and keep a close eye on it. Thanks!
>>13988954
I have a 3vz-e Toyota motor that i got remanufactured from Canada Engines and I've ran it on conventional since day one and put about 70k on it now, and haven't had a single issue with any burning of oil
>>13988978
Don't take this the wrong way, but why stick with the 3VZ? I've heard so many horror stories about them. If I still had one I'd plan to replace it with the 5VZ as soon as it was feasible. Almost did just that with my previous 92 4Runner but ended up dumping it for my 87 instead.
>>13988986
They really aren't that bad of a motor. Sure they lack on power but they have great low-end torque. Yes, the 5vz is a much better motor all around, but that doesn't make the 3vz a bad one.
Most of the horror stories are because people don't know how to maintain a vehicle lol.
I asked about the 3.4 swap. It wouldn't work with the automatic trans that i had, and the cost was almost double for a used engine and tranny versus 4 days of downtime for a brand new shiny 3.0 so i took the 3.0.
I've owned 4 of them now, and only one gave me major issues (The one i swapped, because the previous owner "rebuilt" it). I know these engines pretty much inside and out now which is a huge advantage to owning one because you know exactly what to do and what not to do to make them last.
The '89 got stolen and written off (Wish i still had that truck, i loved it) and the engine was dead on the '90 so i took that money and helped one truck out
>>13988998
But then i did this last December lol
>>13989002
Two weeks after rolling it, i found a stock 4runner with a blown engine and a slipping auto trans. Took it to my buddies shop and stripped my blue one of everything, then stripped all the garbage from the donor truck and did a 5spd swap on the new truck as well, and that engine is still going as strong as ever, even after being in a roll over and filling the cylinders with oil (It sat on its side for about an hour before we could get it back over)
>>13988998
>>13989002
>>13989009
Pretty much what I figured, my first 4Runner was a 91 2-door with the 3VZ and honestly I had no issues whatsoever with it engine-wise. Like I said I'm no mechanic so I'm sure there's things I could've done to that one and the 92 to keep them in good shape, I just didn't know enough. Trying to rectify that with my 87, I've learned a ton in the last year but still have a long ways to go.
Beautiful trucks btw, what color's the gen 2? Is that the gunmetal or blue? Too bad about the roll on the skyblue but I'm glad you were able to salvage the engine.
are first gen 4a-fe engines sohc or dohc?
>>13989097
I say it's gunmetal, others say it's dark dark blue. It's kind of on the verge between the two hahaha. Midnight blue/grey i guess? Honestly the sky blue 2nd truck was a nightmare. I got it with 17,000 in receipts but the work was all done by an idiot and i had nothing but problems from the first week i owned it.
I want to build a 1st gen to go overlanding to argentina in, but that wont happen for a long time. I know the longer i wait, the harder itll be to find a clean one, but i have other priorities.
If i still had my '89, I'd still be driving that bastard today. I'm in love with that body style
>>13991339
All 4afe are DOHC
4ac is sohc
>>13993183
Yeah, I love my 87 but it's a beast to deal with. So much work still needs to be done but it's my only car, can't drydock it yet. Virtually no records from actual previous owner; the person I bought it from basically just tooled around in it for two summers before selling it to me. It's been Frankensteined, hard. Auto to manual conversion (sloppy so far as I can tell); replacement tailgate, engine bay side panels, and hood; and God knows what they did to the engine before the head blew. But body is straight, haven't found any accident damage. Just layers of caked grease on the undercarriage.
That was a beautiful 89, I'm sorry you lost it.
>>13971978
They do sound really awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNqZSU1hv4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URRZKze21BU
>>13993763
Shit happens. Live and learn i suppose. At least everything on the truck you have is relatively easy to learn on. I've done two auto-manual conversions now and they are easy to butcher if you're not careful, but it isn't hard at all to do it properly. Best of luck with the build man, always nice to see another old school 4runner enthusiast!
>>13994247
Here's a good one for ya. Sketchy trail to the top of a ridge in BC at about 8800ft. The whole trail was like this
>>13994269
The top is beautiful though. Not my picture, a buddy took it. But still
>>13994247
Thanks m8, I'm aiming to build a 4Runner harem so this is only the start hahah!
>>13994269
>>13994281
Great scenery, reminds me a bit of an area near Kenosha pass in Colorado.
