I for one like how it looks (apart from nigger rims)
>>13960684
Looks like a mazda
>>13960684
According to Jeremy Clarkson (who has always hated Vauxhalls), it's the best hot hatch available.
>>13960684
Almost looks like a fiesta, just shorter and wider.
>buying GM
kek
>>13960704
>According to Jeremy Clarkson
Corvette is a supercar according to him. Google 'shill'
>>13960704
>who has always hated Vauxhalls
He loves:
Firenzas
Viva GT
Chevette HS/HSR
Lotus Carlton
Senator
Whatever rebadges Holdens
>>13961065
>aftermarket headlights
>stupid grille
>dlrs instead of foglights
>nigger chrome wheels
way to ruin a nice car
>>13960684
How come this totally bombed when introduced to America? The Vectra platform sold pretty well and still does.
>>13961706
Because it only came with the shit 1.8L and there was no Astra Redline (rebadged OPC, with the Cobalt SS Turbo engine instead of the Opel 2.0L Turbo) to drum up excitement.
And no, the 2.0L Turbo of the 08-10 Cobalt SS and the 2.0L Turbo of the Astra OPC of the same timeframe shared nothing in common. The Opel engine even used a timing belt while the Cobalt engine used a timing chain.
>>13961721
and the Cobalt engine for comparison.
>>13961065
Looks nothing like a Fiesta.
How much did you earn with that post?
>>13961706
Because Saturn
>>13961857
>>13961721
y tho
>>13960684
>not posting the newest gen
>>13960704
>According to Jeremy Clarkson
opinion discarded
>>13961145
Yes, GM is paying him to talk up Chevy while he simultaneously claims to hate most Vauxhalls. Makes perfect sense.
>>13961935
actually i can see it in the grille and headlamps but otherwise nah
>>13960704
>who has always hated Vauxhalls
He hated the Vectra, as it was dire on every level. He can't be blamed for that, it's fucking terrible
>>13962223
Why did they use 2 different unrelated engines? Long story.
In the 1980's, GM released 2 globally designed 4 cylinder engine families, the GM Family 2 engine, an OHC 4 cylinder, and the GM 122 engine family, a pushrod OHC engine family. Though both engine families share a common ancestor, they bolt evolved in different ways, with the 122 4 bangers dying off with the cancellation of the last generation Chevrolet S10 and GMC Sonoma. The Family 2 engines evolved when Opel used it for everything, gaining DOHC, and 16 valves, and eventually turbo variants. With the massive difference in engines of similar displacement in the late 90's, GM sought to create one engine family to replace all their 1.8L+ 4 cylinders. The Ecotec was the designed replacement, released in 2000 in the Saturn L-series. but certain variants of the ecotec weren't ready yet, while F2 variants that met the demands were already waiting. The direct injection 2.0L Turbo Ecotec to replace the F2 2.0L turbo wasn't released until a year after the turbo Astra OPC made its debut. When the next Astra generation debuted, with a new OPC variant, an Ecotec 2.0L turbo powered it and the Family 2 engine was officially retired.
>>13962370
>a pushrod OHC engine family
OHV
>they bolt evolved
both
>>13962340
Apart from when its badged as a saab 9-5, then it's wonderful according to saab owners.
>>13962373
C20LET, the rest of the i4's can fuck off.
>>13962399
Saab basically rebuilt the car to make it better. That's why they were losing money hand over fist and GM got pissy with them.
>>13962432
You are confusing "better" with "different"
>>13962432
Source on that?
I've worked on both cars and their the same underneath.
>>13962415
The C20XE is pretty tasty for what it is.
>>13962466
Completely lacking low down grunt. The C20NE is better if you wanna get going fast.
I've had a few
>>13962498
>not the C20SEH for those extra hps
>>13962504
>for what I did to it, the stock engine that came in the car worked fine.
Had multiple Omega A's with everything except the 3.0
A shitload of Cali's including the horrendous ecotech.
Currently a daily Z20LET Zafira A OPC
And a X30XE with ITB's in a Calibra.
>>13960684
Vauxhall's consistently been just behind in the hot hatch game I think. Neither that, nor the Corsa VXR for that matter, are supposed to be bad, but it just happens that the Focus ST, Megane RS and Golf gti have consistently been that bit better.
Or that's what I get from the reviews, at least.
>>13962553
It's like they don't put enough effort in, the sporty versions get a bit of a body kit, nicer interior and a sporty engine, but the engine and suspension doesn't get tuned as a package.
>>13962553
>GTI : Sophisticated/dull
>RS: French, nuff said
> ST: Handling
>VXR/OPC: The hooligan with a 2x4, nothing more
>>13962575
Disregarding a selection as universally praised as Renaultsport because of national stereotypes seems a bit narrowminded, and I'm not sure who says gtis after the mk4 are dull or that the ST handles badly.
Then again, like I say, I haven't actually driven any of these, so if you have, more power to you.
>>13962575
>>13962603
I've seen a Megane RS a few days ago and honestly, even if it's got the best specs and performance, I'd never buy it just because it's one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my life.
>>13962575
>french, nuff said
That's why the RS 275 btfo any other hot hatch on the burgerring
>>13962415
>>13962466
>>13962498
>>13962503
>>13962504
>>13962521
I never said the family 2 engines were bad. They're great engines. I just prefer a chain to a belt.
After the Pontiac Sunbird was killed off in 1994, the only Family 2 engines America got were Daewoo products.
And we only got a SOHC 2V turbo variant (code LT3) in the Sunbird GT. Last year for the turbo was 1990 before it was replaced by a 3.1L pushrod V6. The LT2, and LE4 were N/A variants for the American market.
The Daewoo Nubira, Suzuki Forenza (aka Chevrolet/Daewoo Lacetti), and Suzuki Reno (aka Chevrolet/Daewoo Lacetti 5 hatchback) were all powered by a DOHC 16V variant known as the L34 (aka the U20SED), which can use the european C20LET aftermarket support.
>>13960684
Ugly
![dbr26001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Nzbdqhh.jpg "dbr26001[1].jpg")
>>13962625
I prefer the previous gen
>>13962448
they changed about 3000 parts
>>13962445
being better than a vectra ain't much
>>13962953
Link?
>>13961192
That Fiesta is stock.
Is the pre facelift US model.
>>13962260
Fuck you thats ugly as fuck.
