Tram Depot Edition.
Post news, pictures, videos of trams or light rail.
>Leslie Barns in Toronto, Ontario. Completed in 2015, it will house ~100 of the new streetcars.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ci9RKmG9OY
Here’s a massive dump of the trams in Île-de-France.
Map, including proposals.
>>938788
Tram Express Nord.
It is an east-west tram-train currently under construction, it will run from Gare du Bourget to Gare de Noisy-le-Sec. It is being constructed in two phases with phase 1 opening in 2017 and phase 2 opening in 2023. Phase 1 is the central portion of the line that runs from Gare d’Epinay-sur-Seine to Gare du Bourget, phase 2 consist of both the western and eastern portions (west to Gare de Sartrouville and east to Gare de Noisy-le-Sec).
>>938789
T1.
Opened in 1992, it runs from Asnières - Gennevilliers - Les Courtilles in the west to Gare de Noisy-le-Sec to the east.
The trams used on Line 1 are Alstom TFS-2s.
>>938790
T2.
Opened in 1997, it runs from Pont de Bezons in the north to Porte de Versailles in the south after curving to the northeast.
TFS-2s originally ran on Line 2, but they were replaced by Alstom Citadis 302s due to overcrowding.
>>938791
T3a and T3b.
Opened in 2006 as Line 3. After an extension in 2012, Line 3 was split into two lines, 3a and 3b. Both lines form a Ↄ-shape near the city-limits inside of Paris. 3a runs on the southern portion and 3b runs on the northern portion, both lines have a connection along with Métro Line 1 at Porte de Vincennes.
Line 3a runs from Pont du Garigliano from the west to Porte de Vincennes to the north, Line 3b runs from Porte de Vincennes from south to Porte de la Chapelle to the west.
Tramway Line 3b is currently undergoing a western extension from Porte de la Chapelle to Porte d’Asnières. It is expected to open in December 2017.
The trams used on Line 3a and 3b are Alstom Citadis 402s.
>>938792
T4.
Opened in 2006, it is a tram-train runs from Aulnay-sous-Bois from the north to Bondy in the south. Both terminuses has a connection to the RER.
The trams used are Siemens Avanto U 25500s.
>>938794
T5.
Opened in 2013, it runs to north from Marché de Saint-Denis and heads east to Garges-Sarcelles. The line uses rubber-tired trams.
The trams used are Translohr STE3s.
>>938796
T6.
Opened in 2013, it runs from Robert Wagner in the west to Châtillon - Montrouge in the east.The line uses rubber-tired trams.
A northwest extension from Robert Wagner to Viroflay Rive-Droite is currently under construction. The extension will consist of two underground stops, both at railway stations. It will open in 2016.
The trams used are Translohr STE6s.
>>938797
T7.
Opened in 2013, it runs from Villejuif - Louis Aragon in the north to Porte de l'Essonne in the south.
The trams used are Alstom Citadis 302s. Tramway Line 8 uses the same tram design.
>>938798
T8.
Opened in 2014. It runs north from Porte de Paris and diverges into two branches after Delaunay-Belleville, one heading east to Épinay-Orgemont and one running north to Villetaneuse-Université.
The trams used are Alstom Citadis 302s. Tramway Line 7 uses the same tram design.
>>938788
I've heard the rubber-tyred trams haven't been too successful and are to be converted to conventional trams, is this true or just an urban legend?
>>938799
I find it noteworthy that in Europe you guys were the forefront in getting rid of trams (iirc by the 1930's they were mostly gone), and yet you were also on the forefront of getting them back.
>life, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3voF6bqnZM0
>>938799
>heading east to Épinay-Orgemont
*west
>>938805
I doubt the rubber-tired trams in Paris will be converted (anytime soon), as they are fairly new and one of them is currently undergoing an extension.
Though another city in France, Caen, is ditching their rubber-tired trams for a conventional tram system soon.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/guided-bus-to-tram-plan-confirmed.html
>>938789
>fully grade separated
>won't use SAET
Why?
![JSK5da77b_DSC02240[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qmOXaxf.jpg "JSK5da77b_DSC02240[1].jpg")
>>938741
They shouldn't be loud, definitely not more than a diesel bus. Maybe they are loud because they are hastily produced and all the stuff inside just clank.
But the main disadvantage is obvious. Batteries.
1) they expensive
2) they have to be changed once in a while
3) they heavy and large
4) they can't charge the bus for long enough, not for a regular all-day service without recharging
5) the recharging isn't fast enough yet
That's why the producers try to come up with all different versions of convenient and easy recharge method. It seems, that many of them somehow came to the conclusion, that the battery buses must be recharged at as many possible occasions as possible. Therefore > build a charging station at possibly every stop > the charging station is basically a pair of overhead wires because easily accesible for an automatic system. Now connect the wires in between stops and what did you get? A good old trolleybus, lol.
>>938791
that fuckin chin lel
>>938968
Well, I've been told something about it being loud, but I am yet to ride one, so I can't speak for myself.
As for batteries, the obnoxious print on the bus' body claims it can go on for ca. 250 km on one charge (the one running near my hood has a route that spans for about 20 km from one end to another), so about 10 runs.
However I'd suspect they are equipped with sort of a KERS or whatever.
>Now connect the wires in between stops and what did you get? A good old trolleybus, lol
lel
But, you know, trolleys are so XX century.
>>938968
>That's why the producers try to come up with all different versions of convenient and easy recharge method. It seems, that many of them somehow came to the conclusion, that the battery buses must be recharged at as many possible occasions as possible. Therefore > build a charging station at possibly every stop > the charging station is basically a pair of overhead wires because easily accesible for an automatic system. Now connect the wires in between stops and what did you get? A good old trolleybus, lol.
Greater truth has rarely been spoken. You get all my free internets.
>>938968
>Now connect the wires in between stops and what did you get? A good old trolleybus, lol.
This is what I've been telling, people. Continuous trolley system on trunk routes.
This may require some modification to the power rating of the system, given a single bus will draw much more power than usual.
>>938968
Over the past few years, some local bus companies tested several electronic buses, some can last hundreds of kilometers, but those tests did not go well. Some buses get rejected to the factory as they fail to meet bus company requirement, some buses' door would overreact and automatically open upon touch and tires system of some of them failed, and there's also a bus that went into flames due to short circuit
Despite all these, companies are still actively testing different electronic buses
>>939120
Gyrobus would be a closer alternative?
IC card reader in Kaohsiung LRT (part pf the system currently under trial operation)
Edmonton, Alberta.
Siemens-Düwag U2.
>>939564
Siemens SD-160.
>>939565
Valley Line.
Expected to begin construction in 2016. It will use Bombardier Flexity Freedoms which will be low-floor.
>>939166
Hey, diesel buses can burn too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTrQ1KI5gkQ
And as fresh as February: http://warszawa-straz.pl/index.php/interwencje/3171-19-02-2016-pozar-autobusu-na-terenie-zajezdni-na-pradze-polnoc.
>>939582
Of course they would burn too, but at least the probability would be lower when you compare buses make by fresh new startups using brand new innovations to buses made by experienced manufacturers using matured technology.
>>938968
>the charging station is basically a pair of overhead wires because easily accesible for an automatic system.
Bombardier have PRIMOVE which use inductive charging stations. Kind of interesting technology. I believe there is one line in Germany utilizing e-buses with inductive charging.
>>939609
>Kind of interesting technology.
Yeah, unless some old fart gets his cardiac implant fried under malfunctioning PRIMOVE station.
This bullshit theme really could fucking go.
>>939628
Unless the bus runs over a guy with pacemaker at a charging station he will be fine. The system is used on Mannheim’s inner-city bus route 63.
>>939601
Not only startups have such failures. Somewhere near November Solbus (a relatively experienced bus manufacturer from Poland) delivered their first batch of 11 hybrid articulated buses. One caught fire during test rides soon after delivery, another burst into flames during charging (iirc) in January. After the second incident they were withdrawn.
But it's a tram thread - the city that got those hybrids (Częstochowa) has published its plans for the years 2016-2020. They will renovate 2km (out of 30-ish) of tracks and refurbish some old, old trams.
>>939652
humm.
back to the tram topic, it seems like the only tram network exist here which was created back into pre-WWI time is now dated despite there're continuously new trams and upgrade. The current tram system here have a minimum curve radius of 2m, vehicle width is also limited to be <2m by law as well as track and road wodth, and as a double decker it have high gravitational center which all these limited its speed and thus competitiveness of the tram network, making it inferior to bus.
Another factor limiting the tram's development is that being a century-old transportation it can be seen as a kind of heritage and thus making innovation on the tram unwanted, for instance when the tram company use some aluminum tram to replace wooden tram or when they add air conditioned tram into the system, people would object to the plan.
With the aforementioned situation and competition from parallel metro lines and bus lines, the system see a decrease in its ridership despite still fully packed with passenger in peak hour. Because of the speed factor, most riders would only use it as a short distance travelling tool.
On the other hand, there's no trolley bus system here, government once asked bus companies to research about it but they said the cost to establish cables and such would make the cost increase by 80%-210% and would result in 20%-70% price increase despite its ability to cut pollution, so no further research exist.
>>939609
>PRIMOVE
TramWave by AnsaldoBreda, or is it "Hitachi Rail Italy" now?
They actually have a simple mechanical solution that uses a single moving part and fucking magnets, no radios or coupled inductors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-sJot3LWXU
(17 views!)
>>939740
>This type of third rail system utilises electromagnets on the tram to lift an electrified cable in the buried duct to come into contact with the lower surface of the third rail. The tram makes contact with the top side of the third rail through a pick up shoe, bringing the rail section alive.
This sounds like it's going to require heavy maintenance and not work well at all in countries with winter.
>>939742
Heavier maintenance and worse winter working compared to say Alstom APS?
>>939748
It uses similar technology. I'm assuming the issues are similar with reliability. It certainly is an interesting concept though considering you can use both e-buses and trams all the same. If all kinks are worked out I'd say we will see this used in more places with autonomous e-buses in about 30 years.
>>939740
The last time magnets were used, sections would end up live due to moving parts failing. One of the designs involved an Italian of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stud_contact_system
>>939740
DOH, wrong video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MkYMDAzrLM
Meant to post this, which astually carries some information value.
>>939742
Further I'd like to add, coupled inductors and true wireless power transfer would of course be ideal from reliability perspective, weren't there the problems of switching the inductors on and off individually and somewhat reduced efficiency.
Personally I would want to see linear induction motors utilized in tramways.
>>939751
I could see the only way this system would stay on would be if the cable arched and welded itself into the top plate.
One can but wait news from Zhusai to see if this turns out to be a problem or not.
>>939751
The APS system has been in use for over a decade in certain French cities and it hasn't had the problems the old stud contact systems did.
![1458567109290[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NhXlHm8.jpg "1458567109290[1].jpg")
Removing "old" trolleybuses and buying 14 "cool" battery buses thanks to EU funds, Welcome to 2016 in Košice, Slovakia.
These battery buses are also close to useless as they are only 11 meters long (shorter than regular diesel bus) and can run only ca. 150 km without recharging.
>>938968
Not really. The trams in Seville don't use overhead wires. When they need a charge, they reach a stop, raise the pantographs and chill for a couple minutes.
>>939840
I think LA metro is purchasing some electric artics that can run all day on one charge.
>>939840
Damn that's ugly as fuck. Why do they have the same handicap stickers as London? Is this some fucking EU garbage?
>>939780
APS doesn't use magnets like both iterations of the Italian shit though.
Welp, bye bye to another tram system. At least. I wonder if they will attempt to reintroduce the trams into Tashkient some day.
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/light-rail/tashkent-tram-network-to-close.html?channel=
>>939840
>>940011
ugh, they make those hunchback buses as well, yes?
>>939840
>not running both trolleybuses and electric buses
>>939921
>When they need a charge, they reach a stop, raise the pantographs and chill for a couple minutes
>couple minutes
>minutes
>wasting whole minutes at a stop
classic spanish inefficiency.
>>940145
Battery electric buses are ok, but they don't really replace trolleybuses. Trolleybuses are still useful on heavily travelled lines. Also there's no biarticulated battery electrics, but there are biarticulated trolleys.
>>940151
>biarticulated
literally no one cares
A Flexity Outlook at Noailles Station in Marseille, France.
The tram is modeled after a hull of a ship.
>>940779
A PCC at the same station, 1984.
Line 68 was the last first-generation tram line in Marseille. The tunnel built in 1893 saved the line from being converted into a bus route. In 2004, the tramway was modernised with Line 68 being succeeded by Tram Line 1. Today there are 3 tram lines.
San Diego MTS
Siemens SD 160
>>940790
Sometime like ten years ago we started using the Siemens S70s, and I kind of cringe when they try to integrate the SD160s into a train of S70s
Is there any existing international tram/light rail service with border control installed inside the network?
>>940779
Looks cool, albeit a bit cheesy lol.
>>940925
Not yet, but with the end of Schengen next year, we might see some such lines soon.
Anyone else love the smell of buses?
Why do buses even have a distinct smell?
>>941084
Individual country's agreement also need to consider all countries with agreement with them and that's why Ireland can't join Schemgen IIRC.
>>941084
>>940954
Aside from the recent international lines to to Weil and soon St. Louis, Basel also has the tram to Leymen in France that has been operating long before Schengen existed.
>>941222
TFW trams from my city are on /n/
>>941084
>implying individual countries are not able of making an agreement about border controls on their own
^this.
There's a bus line that crosses between Windsor, ON and Detroit, MI that's been running for years and if this can be tolerated by the border obsessed Americans then I don't think there's going to be a problem even on the off chance the Schengen zone ceases to be.
Hell, there were also a bunch of international tram lines in the US right up to the 1970s.
>pic related
St. Louis Metrolink light rail. The system itself could use some improvement and I wish it would expand, but the trains themselves are legit. They have a mechanical bell (not an electronic one) and an air whistle (not a horn, a whistle). Retro as fuck, probably an attempt to hearken back to the trolley days--though soon we'll be getting actual trolleys back at the Delmar Loop.
>>942126
>High platforms
Nice. North-South metrolink when?
>>942095
It varied from system to system but usually there would be a small customs office and inspectors would check people's passports either prior to departure or at the border crossing.
Blackpool, England.
Bombardier Flexity 2.
>>942396
A modified English Electric Balloon tram with the same livery as the Flexity 2.
>>942397
Depot.
>>942396
Why did they modernise the system ?
why the fuck has nobody mentioned one of the first american transit systems, the Meme Line?
>>942617
More like the autism line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5aS-OTMuko
>>942617
>meme
Why have retards on this website been using the word for everything recently?
>>942624
There actually is a project that will extend line 15 into France but that won't be completed until 2021. If you can read in French and want to learn more then you can consult this webpage:
http://www.st-julien-en-genevois.fr/5/vivre-ensemble/118/grands-projets/173/le-tramway-geneve-saint-julien.html
>>942641
Get memed, faggot.
It's not an international border and also not technically a tram, but a light rail line near Karlsruhe has a branch into a research facility that may only be used by employees. The trains stop at the facility's gate and security personnel checks the passengers' worker IDs before continuing into the fenced area.
Also interesting is that the track ends in a stub, while the trains used are unidirectional. So in the morning the trains enter forwards, let passengers deboard and leave the facility empty and backwards to turn around in a loop on the mainline. For the evening trains this happens reversed.
Who /useless single line light fail system/ here?
![1280px-Lieschen_K-Wagen_108_Riedhof_28052007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JF9R3R7.jpg "1280px-Lieschen_K-Wagen_108_Riedhof_28052007[1].jpg")
>not having a Tram line where you can get drunk on
![Frankfurt_U-Bahn_Train_Type_U3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T6CmMqW.jpg "Frankfurt_U-Bahn_Train_Type_U3[1].jpg")
>>939564
Modernized versions of these are still used on my lolcal subway line, but they'll be gone in 1-2 years.
>>943505
>check
Fucking expensive though.
>>943507
>they'll be gone in 1-2 years.
why? They don't seem too old nor in bad shape.
>>943526
Modernisation, accessibility. They'll all get replaced by pic related.
>>943526
The old trains are a lot more comfy tho
>>943556
Piece of shit phone
>>943556
I love how it just REEKS of 1980's in there
>dat fake would panelling
diamonds
>>943527
How can a high floor train not be accessible except non-fitting platforms, which wouldn't be solved with new trains either?
>>943578
Yep, absolutely lovely. Before they had those awful seat covers they were Bordeaux red faux leather, absolutely tacky,I loved it.
Linz, Austria.
Flexity Outlook 2.
>>944315
Flexity Outlook Cityrunner, at Hauptbahnhof.
>>944316
Flexity Outlook. It runs on the Pöstlingbergbahn (a mountain tramway).
>>944318
Tram built by ESG. 3 of them were modified to run on the Pöstlingbergbahn.
>>944319
>3 of them were modified to run on the Pöstlingbergbahn.
What he says here is that the tramways in Linz are 900 mm gauge, whereas this Pöstlingbergbahn used to be 1000 mm. For the longest time there was a transfer station at the base of the mountain where Pöstlingbergbahn Pöstlingbergbahn started, but now it has been gauge-converted to 900 mm.
>>942641
better 'meme' than 'cuck'
>>944595
>tfw my wife's son was cucked by his gf and the neighbor's boy Jamal and I comforted him by telling him that he just got memed a bit.
>>944345
To add on to that, the three trams built by ESG used to run on the city tramway and weren't suitable for climbing inclines. When they were allocated onto the Pöstlingbergbahn (the same time the tramway was reguaged) changes were made so they were capable of doing so.
Holborn tramway station in London, England. 1933.
It closed in 1952.
>>947891
Hnnnng
/n/gasm
>>946495
So he meant these cars were converted from 900 mm to 1000 mm in the past?
That's pretty neat, actually.
>>948062
The Pöstlingbergbahn was regauged from 1000mm to 900m in 2008.
The ESG trams themselves weren't regauged (they were already 900mm), but were upgraded mechanically to climb the inclines (rebuilt chassis, dual traction control, magnetic track brakes).
>>948090
Right, right. I thought the topic was the three Pöstlingbergbahn cars that were regauged.
Not a big deal, though, I believe. Pretty likely all these cars have been built with frame that allows a wide variety of gauges just by changing the axle.
European Tramdriver Championship
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/4/21/11481448/tram-driving-sports-bowling-we-are-blessed
>mfw bikes are taking over /n/
Bump.
Post more pics.
menacing
>>948671
>Tron_and_Clu.jpg
>>949691
this design is just asking to get derailed in a collision
>>938787
Bump
>>942617
I wonder what the new "Type 9" LRVs will look like.
also, didn't pic related have shit tons of issues? why are the Jap LRVs the only ones that don't blow?
There are new renders of the Hamilton LRT.
>B-Line: King Street at Walnut Street, International Village.
>>952379
>A-Line: James Street at Cannon Street. The A-Line is more of a streetcar than an LRT, it will lack a separate right-of-way.
More Renders:
https://www.hamilton.ca/city-initiatives/priority-projects/light-rail-transit-lrt
>>952380
looks bretty good
does the city look like this in most of its parts or is this just three blocks in downtown?
>>952404
The entire city doesn't look like that. The good looking areas are scattered and only a few blocks long. There's plenty of old buildings but they look run down; also a lot of parking lots.
Try (downtown) Kingston, Ontario.
>>938787
>mfw this thread is on page 5
The autistic mayor of my city tore down one lane in each side on the main avenue, and instead of going with light rail, we're going to keep on using buses.
I mean come on, the crost would not exceed double the current costs. The worst is that much of his image is wanting to make our city more advanced and innovative. Stupid motherfucker
>>950153
![wien-wvb-sl-39-h2-895175[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fedNCqh.jpg "wien-wvb-sl-39-h2-895175[1].jpg")
![745547[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Gj6EJXF.jpg "745547[1].jpg")
>>953888
![767829[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DbuuH7r.jpg "767829[1].jpg")
>>953892
>>953894
tractor powered tram with passengers
>>953865
They have a Christmas tram in Budapest that lights up.
The Kansas City Streetcar opened last Friday (May 6th).
It is 2 miles long, and uses CAF Urbos 3s.
>>955094
KSfag here. I'm excited but I'm still pretty pooper peeved about the light rail and street car extension referendum failling.
>>955094
>mfw the streetcuck has no transit lanes on a massive road.
>>955094
congrats
i wish your streetcar all the best and hope that it will serve to its users and the costs for its construction wont be necesarily high and the lines will only expand to the areas that need it the most without political bullshit behind it as we can see in many new streetcar systems in USA and other countries, see Washington D.C. for reference.
![658620[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Pm8YGYV.jpg "658620[1].jpg")
>>953907
>WTF that track layout.
It's amazing, isn't it? I just love PCC-like cars in narrow streets on obscure track layouts of old towns. This one is Pilsen in (then) Czechoslovakia. The track seen in the picture was abandoned and then kinda rebuilt and used again when there was a long time road diversion in the street the tram runs normally.
another pic is Antwerpen, Belgium
![657769[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vrxhGmY.jpg "657769[1].jpg")
>>955127
and more
>>955128
even more
>>940151
> Trolleybuses are still useful
b-but the memes
>environmentally friendly hybrid busses
>trolleybus are expensive and old!!
>current year!
>>955127
>>955128
>>955129
Too fucking cute.
Bonus points if no deathcages on those streets.
>>955203
>>trolleybus are expensive and old!!
>>current year!
Yeah.
And my city is testing some uggo ass chink shit battery ""buses"" that apparently suck.
I'm still to ride one, but that will only happen in the autumn (if those craps are still here).
>>949440
Thank you
>>955203
Battery buses are even more expensive, and hybrids are cheaper but have shorter lifes because of combustion engine, so in the long run they're more expensive, too
>checkmate
Dual cab bi-articulated trolleybuses are the future m9s.
>>955525
>large vehicle using rubber tires instead of steel wheels on steel track
>dual cab makes it lose valuable space while trams are much longer so it isn't as noticeable
meh.
tbqhwy famiglia I think the logical progression, capacity-wise, should be bus - trolleybus - tram - heavy rail. Why are people still trying to reinvent the wheel when this concept works perfectly?
>>955617
>large vehicle using rubber tires instead of steel wheels on steel track
what? I don't see much of a problem with this.
>dual cab makes it lose valuable space while trams are much longer so it isn't as noticeable
??? A bi-articulated trolleybus would have a very similar capacity to a Siemens S70.
>>953888
Moar Vienna pls
>>940791
Any particular reason why?
I ride the green line and see the trolley in this order: S70-SD160-S70
>>955763
>what? I don't see much of a problem with this.
>what is energy efficiency
>??? A bi-articulated trolleybus would have a very similar capacity to a Siemens S70.
dat cherrypicking
In the city of the pic you posted the trams carry 220 pax, that's about 50% more than the bus in your pic. Also you can couple two trams together, in which case capacity is so large that the space lost to drivers cabs is even less noticeable.
>>956343
Has anyone ever attempted to create a bus that could be coupled to another and run in multiple unit mode? I realize how horribly inefficient such a set up would be but I'm curious to see if anyone has ever even attempted it.
>>956343
>Also you can couple two trams together
Can you in that city? If it's an old 1st gen system, it could be really hard and expensive to scrape any extra lenght for platforms.
For instance, it's been said Helsinki will never advance over 27 m vehicles. We now have 3 different models, with 49 seats, 55 seat and one can cram in 88.
The grain of salt here is that not too long ago all there was were 20 m vehicles with 39 seats and on the pipeline there is a project that would call for 45 m vehicles with 108 seats that also would operate in the old network. Hype, hype!
>>956526
>that bridge
What a waste of money. I'm all for building new tram networks in Helsinki, but seriously that long bridge build just for the trams and people with no car lanes makes no sense.
That being said this video is actually part of the bridge projects 1,2 million euros advertising campaing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpMSUnc_Ok
>>956590
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpMSUnc_Ok
"Bow chika wow wow."
Well, wasn't that budget withdrawn after a public out cry?
I also think making the bridge just for LRT and pedestrians is suboptimal, but I understand there was some political meddling. It was made so, because the Greens opposed car lanes and for that, the Coalition almost inhibited the project, but for some even greated political grab I'm not aware of, it got pulled back. Maybe related to housing policies?
I'm still hoping the bridge would be made metro-ready, but there is not much space in Korkeasaari for the tunnel entrance.
>>956526
That pic was Barcelona, 2nd gen tram, running 30m units but platforms are 60m long as to accept coupled units.
>>956590
>>956629
Why would a bridge without car lanes be difficult to build in Finland or anywhere in Europe for that matter? Portland built a car-free bridge for trams and cyclists and despite the fact it's a lot better than most murigan cities, it's still pretty car-cucked.
>>956738
>there isn't much space for additional cars
Unless we went all Smith-Polvinen, but that wouldn't be exactly cheap either.
>>956738 (You)
And to further talk with myself, people around here don't tolerate cars anywhere near their recreational spaces when there is non prior. And as it happens, this would turn a Zoo island that has no cars (one ether takes a ferry across the bay or walks over a bridge from the parking lot on the other size) into a motorway shoulder. This hasn't been up on the official talks much but I feel it's a factor.
Trams are tolerated marginally better.
Here's a this another project that is not on the hurry list to build a transit street including tram tracks via disused railbed through this area with some allotment gardens (that are on way too wanted land for the use, but enough that) and the "recidents" were very much against it but somewhat more accepting if it was just a tram connection.
This thread needs some SEPTA
>>956751
>>956751
>>956751
Route 15 uses rebuilt PCC cars
The Expo Line extension westward into Santa Monica has opened today.
It is 6.6 miles long and consists of 7 new stations.
>>958119
Map.
>>955094
I already said this on a 1chan (rip) thread about the Dallas streetcar, but I'm once again imptessed that new american streetcar systems build crossing of such roads without any traffic signals.
>>938787
More tram pics incoming. Respond in kind.
>>958720
>>958722
>>958724
>>958119
>>958409
LA needs the cager tram. Pic related.
>>958728
One more pic.
>>942641
but PCCs are a meme
>>958722
Pretty comfy but doors on the both sides are not all that comfy.
>>958740
>>958741
ahhhh, the Ashmont Mattapan High Speed line.
I've been riding it something like 20 years now.
some fun facts about it-
last winter, when boston got seriously fucked on by snow, they had to call an ancient dude out of retirement to put the shovel on the front because literally nobody who worked for the MBTA knew how to.
Also they are so old that when parts go sometimes the only option to replace them is to buy them from a museum.
>>958829
very sad reality of merican public transportation
>>958829
Why hasn't the MBTA replaced the PCCs already? They're antiques and should have been replaced with modern trams by now.
>>959091
hold on to your asshole, this is gonna be a long one.
The short answer is, they can't. they're talking about paving the path and making it a dedicated busway because this would be the most cost effective option, sadly (though, for one of the shortest services the MBTA offers, it's more expensive than any regular city bus here.)
Basically, the MBTA has no money. they always operate at a deficit. The reason for that is a little convoluted, so hear me out.
Boston, and MA politics, are fucked. The most powerful man in MA is named Robert Deleo, he's the speaker of the house. The Governer, Charlie Baker (a corrupt crony-capitalist republican fuckwit anyway) has less power than him. The Mayor of Boston, Marty Walsh (a corrupt Crony-capitalist ostensibly democrat recovering-so-everybody-has-to-suffer-cause-he-did-alcoholic), was elected under promises of expanding night life and increasing arts. He has since cracked down on the homeless, refused to continue the MBTA late night service program, and cut money in as many public works as possible (look up the BPS budget cuts if you want to rage).
these three are a team dedicated to making Boston appeal to the upper-middle class that was boston 20 years ago and financially and physically cannot exist anymore based on how the city is built and how the public works are funded. A big factor in THAT was the big dig- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig
"The Big Dig was the most expensive highway project in the US"
guess who had to pay for the Big Dig? the MBTA has to pay for the big dig. (not actually Baker or Walsh's fault- DeLeo's though.)
on top of that, the MBTA's Green Line was supposed to expand. but because of how the contracts were set up, the construction companies were allowed to charge what they wanted for most of it, doubling the estimated price- this may shock you, but the owners of the private companies contracted for the expansion were friends of the three politicians! shock and awe!
Continued-
>>959358
(continued)
on top of the big dig debt and the expansion cost expansion, literally all of our lines have outdated cars, that have been used 10+ years past their expected use period (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/07/07/working-against-time-wellington-team-keeps-old-mbta-cars-service/1NFyTGJaanXEIyiKxg8hGL/story.html)
so we have had to buy new trains for the Red, Blue, Orange, and Green lines and have them shipped to and then through the US, though we have i think only just begun receiving the very first of the green line trains. I'm not even gonna bother mentioning what a clusterfuck also having buses makes of the economic dynamic of the city.
And for the record, everything Im talking about has been from my lifetime. (I'm 22) the past 40~50 years has been much of the same (my father pointed out that the underfunding of the MBTA is a fine tradition going back to when he was a young adult in boston)
Not to say every Boston politician has made it their goal to fuck over the 'T' as we call it, Mayor Menino was adamant on being neutral towards it. though he was very very good about making the city more bicycle friendly.
so yeah between lack of funds, a lump of cancer debt, and corrupt politicians who don't give a fuck about anything but their own bank accounts, the MBTA literally can't afford to replace these trolleys.
(Personally what I think makes the most sense would be to dig up the blueprints for the trolleys and make new molds for everything and sorta force it back into ultra-limited production. Or literally taking one apart piece by piece until nothing is left connected, scan everything into a computer and 3d printing new everythings for it.)
>>959358
>>959368
Such a shame it must be. Boston, due to it's history, culture, and geographical location, had (and in many respects, still has) the potential to become one of the most or the most desirable city in North America to live in, but it's continually squandered time and time again by clueless mayors and governors. The loss of the Olympic bid should have been a wake-up call for MA politicians but instead the corruption and the greasing of palms will continue as always. Biggest example is GE's move to Boston. MA taxpayers will be on the line for hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidizing and tax credits to GE (one of the most profitable mega-corps in the world) which will provide fuck all in terms of real benefits to the city. Meanwhile the infrastructure continues to crumble, schools are losing funding and closing, homelessness is on the rise, and the cost of living continues to go sky high due to chink and russian investment.
>>959438
>wanting the Olympics
Why the hell would anyone want to have to deal with that shit?
>>959447
If Boston held the olympics we would've been given sweet sweet redevelopment money with which to make the MBTA functional and capable of supporting the amount of people the olympics would bring. It would be super shitty practically until the olympics, too, because of how old and decayed it's become.
>>959438
hit the nail on the head perfectly.
>>959476
>If Boston held the olympics we would've been given sweet sweet redevelopment money with which to make the MBTA functional and capable of supporting the amount of people the olympics would bring
Bullshit. They would have been given five pesos and told to use them to build a line to the multi-billion dollar sports complex.
>>959438
Actually, the mayors and governors know exactly what they're doing. And what they're doing is getting rich and powerful, and buying support by bribing the people with their own money.
Stockholm
"Bombardier delays force Waterloo to push back LRT opening"
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/05/24/bombardier-delays-force-waterloo-to-push-back-lrt-opening.html
>>959848
>This shits going to carry over into the opening of the Crosstown and Finch West lines here in Toronto.
The Crosstown is still 5 years from opening at this point it would just be better to suck it up and kick Bombardier to the curb and do what Ottawa and Mississauga did and by Siemens or Alstom.
>>959848
>implying the opening will actually be delayed
>implying the Star isn't just trying to get clicks from the idiots who are outraged over the streetcar delays
>>959968
>cancelling contracts while the system is under construction
Do you want to pay millions of dollars in legal fees?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Train#Cancellation_of_expansion
Everybody just needs to calm the hell down. Delays on rolling stock delivery are pretty common and the screaming in the press is completely overblown.
New Flexity trams for Zürich.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/europe/single-view/view/zuerich-orders-70-flexity-2-trams.html
Durmaray Ipekbocegi (SilkWorm) in Bursa, Turkey.
>>961760
>multi articulated
>2018
I seriously hope.
>>938787
Hiroshima
Pesa Fokstrot in Moscow, Russia.
>>962167
How's the Moscow system hanging? Still contracting?
40/41 line in Vienna. Taken earlier today. I have a few more.
Type E1 of 43 line, these are pretty uncommon nowadays.
Some newer 43s.
And another 41 of type E2.
>>962297
Yeah, the old ones are classy but then again I'm not old. I wouldn't want to climb those steps with weak knees.
>>962287
Articulated longcart in a tandem (is this the proper term anyway?) setup?
Sounds pretty fuckin cool.
>>962576
Coupled cars is a proper term
>>962596
Coupled articulated trams in Brno.
>>962598
Coupled articulated trams in Prague
>>962599
Test rides of 3 coupled articulated trams in Berlin
>>962599
Why is this tram on the wrong side?
First Stadler Variobahn for the Aarhus Letbane in Denmark.
Aarhus has also ordered Stadler Tangos.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/europe/single-view/view/first-aarhus-tram-on-test.html
>>962187
The closures have stagnated, and they've approved some new lines.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/urban/single-view/view/moscow-approves-new-tram-lines.html
>>962277
E1 a cute
>>962600
Jesus!
>>962662
Shuttle line running on one track probably.
Gare de Viroflay-Rive-Droite, T6.
The station will open on June 11.
Refer to: >>938797
>>959368
>we have i think only just begun receiving the very first of the green line trains.
you mean the new type 9s? pics?
Rouen, France.
Alstom Citadis 402 at Théâtre des Arts.
>>964203
Alsthom TFS-2.
They have been retired since 2013.
>>964205
Depot.
BKV, Budapest. A formerly huge network, but now it's a lot smaller.
The central lines are operated by mostly the various versions of 8-axled Ganz trams (ICS), while in the outer districts lots of Tatra T5C5 and TW6000 run. (The TWs are from Hannover, of course.) Lines 4 and 6 have special Siemens Combino vehicles designed directly for these lines.
Last year BKV bought 47 CAF Urbos 3 units in two different lengths. The first 37 has already arrived, the shorter ones took the place of the oldest ICSs, and the longer ones started running on line 1.
>>964218
Yeah. That old Tatra face, including some extra lights because of the two-directional operation. These 322 trams are one of the rare types at Tatra which had doors on both sides.
>>964219
DÜWAG/LHB TW6000.
They bought used trams to change most of another old type in the early 2000s. The first unit consisted of 76 trams (1500...1575). Later another unit arrived from Hague (8 trams which was really used there, and 8 which was't in service, even left in Hannover), with 4 extra ones to have enough spare parts for repairing and maintenance works. Later one of these 4 trams was also revived to be an operating one, and another unit of 10 arrived (these ones were manufactured by LHB and got the numbers 1600...1609).
>>964222
BKV ordered 40 units of Combino to the lines 4 and 6, to replace the coupled ICSs. Those trams replaced older ones in the central lines.
>>964224
Last year 25 shorter CAF Urbos 3 arrived here, and in the beginning of this year, 12 longer ones. Another unit of 10 is going to arrive this year.
>>964218
Oh shit, should I be worried about the Buapest noetwork too? I thought the last major closures happened in the 80s.
>>964226
And finally, the depots. BKV now uses 9 depots (Angyalföld, Baross, Budafok, Ferencváros, Hungária, Kelenföld, Száva, Szépilona, Zugló), and a shared workshop with the underground system just for maintenance works but earlier we had 7 more depots and 4 more workshops, which were closed because of the decrease of the network.
>>964227
No, you shouldn't. Several extensions were made in the last years, but now it stopped. Maybe in the future some other ones will be done.
>>964224
the 4/6 line is pretty crazy, in rush hour it goes every 2 minutes, it's more like a moving sidewalk, lol, you just get to the stop and in few seconds there's a tram
>>964205
>retired after 19 years
Here's a map of all the tram systems in Europe, in Czech. It does not include tram systems under construction.
http://www.mhd140.cz/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/tramvaje-v-evrope_mapa.pdf
>>964527
That layout is absolutely terrible, though. I'd fail my cartography course if I'd present this.
A tram line in Rio de Janeiro opened on June 5th.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/cs-america/single-view/view/rio-de-janeiro-tramway-inaugurated.html
>>965259
>wide boulevard with segregated line in some favela
>third rail meme
"hurrr look we've got so much money we can afford the third rail even at places where it's totally useless"
Brazil ladies and gents
>>964527
>B*l*f*ld out of alphabetical order
>>938787
Tram depots, you say?
>>965397
Considering the system will eventually cut through some of the denser/richer areas I'm guessing they went with APS because of buttblasted property owners who are disgusted with overhead wires (but apparently not by abject poverty).
On a slightly related note, are there any problems with the APS system? I know the system costs more to install than overhead but I've never read anything that said the system was less reliable than traditional catenary.
>>966151
I think the big one is that it's a proprietary technology so you're locked into Alstom for the rest of your life. Besides that, it is also such the reason that because you have on/off switching parts, it will be inherently less reliable, but in terms of actual figures it likely has not been studied. I imagine maintenance is obviously more expensive (besides install cost) since you have to dig up the whole damn thing.
![309917[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S8IdOle.jpg "309917[1].jpg")
>>966087
>>965397
this
Volgograd Metrotram in Volgograd, Russia.
Tatra T3 at Ploshchad' Lenina (Плoщaдь Лeнинa).
>>966535
There can never be enough T3s in this thread.
Želivského, Prague, Czech Rep.
7144+7143
>>966760
kek
Jerusalem, Israel.
Citadis 302.
>>966971
Chords Bridge.
>>966972
Depot.
>>966971
angry tram is angry
>>964256
Yes, exactly. This is the busiest tram line in Europe.
Hiroshima Electric Railway (aka its City Tram) is introducing a new Event Tram called "Train Rouge", which is modified from its two remaining 750 Series Tram (Previously used by the Osaka City Tram before the whole system was scrapped in 1969). It has been modified to have 26 seats + table and fitted with a beer server, fridge, audio/video equipment and the beer server is built to deal with vibrations from operations. The course detail are as follows:
Route: Hiroshima Station to Shiden West Hiroshima Station (Round Trip)
Time: 100 minutes with 20 minute break in West Hiroshima Station before returning to Hiroshima Station
Frequency: 1 round-trip on weekdays, 2 round-trips on weekends
What's included: All you can drink beer and specially made lunch boxes, bring your own food is okay.
Cost: 129,800 Yen (Group reservation required, so basically around 5000 Yen per person if the max number of people attends)
Sauce and pictures of the reveal ceremony: http://response.jp/article/2016/06/12/276769.html
>>938787
>>967645
damm that sounds comfy as fuck
I wonder if that existed when I was in hiroshima
>>967645
They just revealed it this weekend and it will begin service on July 1st this year. This particular car #768 is one of the two remaining 750 Series Tram (the other being #762) as most others were either scrapped or donated, according to the article #768 was taken out of service some time last year and people were wondering what would happen to it as two others of the same line were donated out in 2015.
JP Wikipedia's page for the Hiroshima Shiden 750 Series if anyone here actually reads Moonrunes: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BA%83%E5%B3%B6%E9%9B%BB%E9%89%84750%E5%BD%A2%E9%9B%BB%E8%BB%8A
Mannheim opened a new tram line last weekend. The 6.4 km line covers the suburb Gartenstadt, which until now was the last larger suburb to only be served by busses.
The new tracks split into two short branches near the end, which are served alternatingly during the day, off peak trams run both branches in succession.
The same weekend another suburb Feudenheim was celebrating its 1250th anniversary. For that, they reenacted the steam tramway that from 1884 to its electrification in 1914. Since the original rolling stock was not preserved, a steam tram was rented from a museum in Darmstadt.
>>967645
It is noteworthy that the tree systems I know that that have cream top and green base color scheme all also have a red pub tram :)
>>951796
Have the Italians ever made a good train?
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