the weird frontier between pop and avantgarde
are these guys the saviors of music?
Slurpee good!
where the fuck are ash kooha and andy morin
No. They are not
>>66189324
t. embryo
>>66188558
>>66190113
what does adam from YMS have to do with any of this
>>66190138
lol
THIS THREAD
THIS THREAD
THIS THREAD
OPN > Dean > Arca > Bruno Mars
>>66189281
this
>>66190138
kek
james be best tho
>they will never form a supergroup.
Keep up gramps
>>66188558
>>66190274
what are you using to make these collages
>>66190339
befunky. i made both kek
DAN DEACON
DAN DEACON
DAN DEACON
DAN DEACON
DAN DEACON
DAN DEACON
I love these threads btw. keep em coming.
>>66190239
>>66190274
>opn doing pitch-shifted vocals
>james ferraro shouting YAMAHA
>grimes singing
>arca dancing erotically
>dean blunt "writing" (stealing) the lyrics
>huerco s and ash koosha on the beats
>andy morin on the bass guitar
>holly herndon whispering
literally 10/10
>>66190360
dan deacon's not part of the same marcel-core sphere/scene though. he would feel incredibly out of place here.
>>66188558
>>66188602
>>66190113
>>66190274
Who are all these people???
>>66190392
and marcel would review the whole thing
>>66190400
Yes but he is /avant pop/ and this is the avant pop general, right?
>>66188558
OPN is. The other three are memes.
the REAL weird frontier
>>66190565
Who are the two that aren't Huerco and Koosha?
>>66190697
andy
clarence clarity
reverse order top to bottom
>>66190400
since when did this shit change from being TMT-core to marcel-core?
marcel literally plagiarized TMT reviews and TMT was plugging the skaters when he was still in diapers
i dont get it
>>66190837
since op is a turbo autist obsessed w marcel and "being an individual"
>>66190837
>>66190863
it's neither. it's the weird frontier between pop and avantgarde. are you illiterate?
>>66190894
well since
>>66190837
was responding to
>>66190400
in which these artists are dubbed "marcel-core"
i guess the question would be "are you illiterate?"
>>66190951
yes. I am a literate.
>>66190951
you should read the op before reading the posts within a thread. here, let me quote it for you again
>the weird frontier between pop and avantgarde
>>66190989
>a literate
yep, sounds about right
Why are they all so weird? Not a single artist in the weird frontier is normal they all have a hang up. I wouldn't introduce any of them to my mother
>>66190992
oh i forgot that you have to include OP and their made up genre names in every response in a thread, in addition to the comment that you are actually, you know, responding to
>>66188558
faggot
>>66190951
You legitamately have reading comprehension issues
>>66191068
nobody said it's a genre. "marcel-core" also isn't a genre
>>66191074
>legitamately
>>66191021
this t b h.
Even my rommate thinks Im weird for bumpin ferroroo
>>66191021
Daniel is a well adjusted man with a nice personality
Husband material
>>66191021
they all abuse drugs or have some kind of severe mental illness (or both)
>>66189281
andy morin has no business being anywhere near these dudes.
>>66191122
OPN > Arca > Ferraro = Andy > Blunt
>>66191021
drug abuse+isolation+mass consuming Art
>>66191153
Any release in the Hype Williams catalogue >>>>>>>> anything Morin has done ever
do you watch game of thrones? i tried binge watching the first season but it was awful
>>66191202
Nope
Fashion Week > Black Metal
Interview > Babyfather
DG > Dean Blunt
Which of the big 4 would you most like to have as your dad?
>>66191021
what's wrong with Dean?
>>66191225
I said Hype Williams, not his solo work u moron
>>66191021
OPN just stares at the floor and mumbles hi to your mom
James fist bumps her and keeps calling her bro
Andy doesn't even look in her general direction and keeps yawning
Koosha makes intense eye contact and says it's a crime the world doesn't have Universal basic income
Dean hugs your mom and keeps complimenting you even cuts off your mom to pay you a compliment
Huerco S literally says nothing not even his name. Doesn't take his glasses off indoors either
Grimes misinterprets your moms friendliness for sexual tension and asks her out on a date
Arca wants to make sure your mom knows you and him are not dating so he shoe horns mentions of his boyfriend into the conversation just so she takes the hint that you and him are not a couple
>>66191224
SHIT taste
Seriously the first season was the best season
>>66191225
Fashion Week > Black Metal
Interview > Babyfather
The dumbest opinion I've heard. dg is better than db
but those two solo instrumentals suck ass lmao
>>66191286
>DG is better than Dean Blunt
Both of you kiddies should off yourselves t b h f a m
>>66191255
maybe but it still was kinda shitty
Inga > Grimes
![jamesferraro[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/niAXFhu.jpg "jamesferraro[1].jpg")
>>66191228
>>66191322
Shit gets more wacky in subsequent seasons but I wouldn't keep watching if you didn't at least enjoy the first season or care about the Starks
>>66191346
>>66191418
>anything pre-FSV being essential James-core
kek
everybody always wants to talk about james but spencer is the true visionary
>>66191228
ferraro
my friend met dean and dean was really quiet and always seemed like he was pissed off.
My lifes goal is to be apart of the weird frontier. I hope this meme is going strong in 5 - 8 years when i;m good enough to join the ranks
>>66191228
Dan
>people think these guys are weird/avant-garde
try listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__IOUT9QDk&list=LL1mGcjD8cGrym7gFBHFcy2Q&index=3
>>66191460
bad form
iasia, last american hero, lamborghini crystal and night dolls are essential ferraro
>>66191505
It's Mozart on acid
>>66190274
who re the dudes in middle top and left bottom?
ITT: Only shit.
>>66191630
Huerco S.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnYZymp_vVU
Ash Koosha
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1uT9huLwCQ
>>66190274
>a.g. cook still isnt listened even though hes collaborated with OPN multiple times
>grimes is
retard
i dont know who these dudes are but can we please stop posting this meme its fucking irritating
>>66191708
>pc music
please commit suicide
>>66191708
a.g.who?
>>66191708
A.G. Cook is mediocre at absolute best.
SOPHIE could maaaybe belong there. He'll have to put out more work to solidify that position.
>>66191727
sorry pleb there's more complexity in 30 seconds of a pc music music song than in the entirety of "art angels"
>>66191799
Prove it then
>>66191119
>>66191021
But you know that's why they're able to make good music, anon.
If they weren't weird, they'd probably all just be generic shitty guitar players or whatever.
>no ariel pink
>no alex g
>no mount eerie
>>66191826
Daniel actually is a shitty guitar player when he's not singe-handily saving music
>>66191849
james*
>>66191833
>ariel pink
he was on fox news ffs he doesn't belong here. guy wants to be normie so bad
>>66191694
Does Koosha remind anyone of Arca? His work sounds eerily similar to Mutant
>>66191808
https://soundcloud.com/pcmus/snow-globe
>>66191929
Mutant isn't exactly unique or corned the market the market on that particular style of music.
>>66191849
So is Grimes actually. But they're self-aware of their instrument-playing abilities, so it all works out.
>>66191929
He's like a less structured Arca. If he fleshes out his songwriting and composition skills
>>66191938
I like some PC Music stuff but this is pretty generic bubblegum pop. Both sound design-wise and structurally.
What do i gotta do to join the weird frontier. step by step
>>66191978
>sound design wise
sure but im posting it for grimes fans
and i figure most of them have heard the songs off pc music vol 1
>>66191978
I don't see how Arca's songwriting and compositions are fleshed out. Probably his greatest weakness.
>Ash Koosha
I hate how that sounds.
>>66191986
1.abuse drug of your choice
2.isolate yourself from people who know you and change friends frequently besides that one person who you keep in touch you because he/she doesn't care
3.constantly consume some kind of medium whether it be alot of reading,watching tv/film and lots of music by popular artist and unknown ones
4.spend alot of time creating art and then discarding it as no big deal when it comes out
5. never do interviews and if u do lie about everything you do
>>66192023
No, I totally agree. They're not at all. (Though the tracks he's produced for others, like FKA twisg, seem pretty complete.) But Ash Koosha is even less so. Almost all his songs just feel like a mishmash of textures and random loops chopped up and drenched in effects. A lot of Arca's songs feel that way too, but he has more range.
>>66191460
>implying marble surf is not the best thing he's ever done
>>66188558
Who's top right?
idk why /mu/ keeps name dropping shitty ash koosha
M.E.S.H. sd laika, amensica scanner and rabit
all make music 10x better then him.
>>66191978
Yeah that's the perfect description for AK
Hope he branches out more with his sound, I AKA I is has some interesting sound design but it's feels derivative of Guud and Arca too much
>>66192068
Literally became an electronic producer a month ago and have started following steps 1-4. Am I gonna make it?
The right combination of drugs really does make music creation way easier. It also seems to let me analyze other songs and see their techniques way easier than I could sober.
>>66192068
actually just do #4
if you want to be a creator just start creating and don't stop. you'll get there
>>66192182
Just realized I cut off my sentence.
If he fleshes out his songwriting and composition skills, he could be at his level, but right now he still seems amateurish in terms of actual songs. It's nice ear candy and the sounds are refreshing, but as actual music it's not very good. No coherent progression.
>>66190837
TMT literally gave Marcel a shoutout and mentioned him in a recent article of theirs. they're obviously all friends and it was just a joke.
>>66190837
you do realize that marcel is way older than you think right
>>66192319
He's literally 16/17
>>66192292
>>66192319
hello marcel.
>>66192348
yes, so by whenever they would have plugged the skaters (which would have been no earlier than 2006) that anon's analogy would make no sense
>>66192352
ebin XD
>>66192378
Ah I see what you're saying
t b h I'm just shocked there are people who care this much about TMT or Marcel. I thought they were literal memes here
>>66190113
Why is Bill Hader being compared to these people?
>>66192148
m.e.s.h. and amnesia scanner make better music than arca at this juncture imo
>>66191232
he laid down on the floor
>>66192546
yeah but i was dissing ash not arca
saving this thread for a literally who compilation in 10 years
>>66192617
both are overrated
Ash Koosha has literally 1 good song
Death Grips sucks
James sucks
Dean's only good song is "X" on Black Metal and I don't even know how much of that is original
OPN god tier
Arca shit
>>66192653
honestly though x and forever are both his best songs
felony being his 3rd best. all 3 i can't find the samples
>>66192719
>honestly though x and forever are both his best songs
yes, ia. he's so good at longform shit because his greatest talent is creating a "vibe" imo.
>>66192653
there are no samples on "X," it's all original
don't know why that would matter anyway. do samples in a song automatically make you dislike said song?
>>66192817
dean toes the line between sampling and lifting
>>66192835
no fuck you his music is art
>>66192852
dean you are too self conscious.
if you delete my comments on youtube again i'll find you
>>66192835
so he plagirises
>>66190837
you are an idiot
>>66192873
Yes.
>>66192870
stop this "go to bed ____" meme it's so stupid and unoriginal
>>66192925
>he wasn't here when dean had an aneurism about postmodernism
>>66192950
Dean doesn't come here
>>66192950
where's your proof that it was him?
>>66192950
pretty sure it was unty
>>66192925
dean really does delete youtube comments tho
>>66193072
because he only keeps comments that fit in line with the art and message he's trying to convey. maybe you should stop being a little bitch by leaving comments that destroy the artistic aesthetic he's conveying through youtube.
>>66193095
whats his message?
>>66193095
Dean I know its you
what time is it in britbong. dean's up late i think
>>66192653
>OPN god tier
>Arca shit
stay pleb
>>66193095
that's the most marcel thing anyone's ever said
>>66193149
it's true
arca > opn > dean > james
>>66188558
>>66193143
potheads don't sleep
>>66191505
God damn, this stuff is fucking awesome.
>>66193172
>16
aghhhhh
greed
>>66193165
Arca a shit who can't write song for his life
>>66193181
that is not true and makes little since
>>66193162
>it's true
generic synth arpeggios vs. genius sound design and awesome concepts
stay pleb pt.2
>>66193165
Objectively correct rankings
>>66191505
>>66193183
you think thats weird try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_JHjUFfOs8
>>66193228
nothing makes sense
the only correct answer is
james > arca > dean > opn
>>66193238
arca's sound design is incredibly overrated as far as i'm concerned and lol at u being overly reductive
>>66193270
This sounds like Stockhausen trying to make a Haxan Cloak album.
>>66193270
Arca is just a poor man's Parmegiani/Ferrari t b h
>>66192378
so what, over half of marcel's life ago?
the sentence would carry the exact same thing if it said "...when he was in first grade".
no one is accusing you of wearing diapers as a 6 year old marcel.
>>66193280
i bet you're not even gay stop trying to understand arca you fucking cis scum
>>66193310
>>66193312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcqQTXUhbM&t=0s
>>66193371
lamo why is this the only justification arca fans have in their arsenal?
>>66193450
>falling for it
>>66193371
>>66193450
samefag
![10844050_379807315530381_1626864244_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PAQdvNv.jpg "10844050_379807315530381_1626864244_n[1].jpg")
james is the only talented one 2bh
One of theeeeese threads again ://///////////
>>66192950
>>66192950
>tfw i wasn't
someone post a print please.
>>66193119
IF YOU FUCKING SAY THAT SHIT ONE MORE TIME I WILL FUCKING STAB YOU MOTHERFUCKER. I AM NOT DEAN. STOP PREPRETURATING THE IDEA THAT DEAN COMES HERE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SHITTY MEMES THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT OUTSIDE OF HERE. GET A FUCKING LIFE AND MAYBE A BRAIN WHILE YOU'RE AT IT YOU MORONIC EDGELORD.
>>66191708
this, AG Cook is legiiit, there's nothing in the world like his sets
>>66195160
holy fuck
>>66195160
jesus
>>66195160
i feel like this is what all of these threads accumulate to
why the fuck are you so mad
>>66195160
lol
>>66195160
hello dean
>>66190565
this
clarence clarity is literally the king of the weird frontier
LET ME SUM UP THE DISCUSSION FOR YOU FUCKING MORONS WHO JUST BARGE IN WITHOUT TAKING CONTEXT INTO THOUGHT FOR A SINGLE GOD DAMN SECOND, IN HANDY GREENTEXT FORM SINCE YOU SEEM INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING ANY OTHER FORM OF COMMUNICATION:
>Guy posts that he's listening to Ferraro, Blunt, OPN, and Arca, claims that everyone else is a pleb, implying that Ferraro is an "exit level" composer ("get on my level, plebs")
>I point out that marcel-core is the most entry level patrician music (referring to the scene as a whole)
>Idiot responds with "There is no marcel-core in art music"
>Discussion ensues, I claim that there is and provide all kinds of supporting arguments for why my opponent is wrong
>Entry: you - the idiot who didn't follow the discussion and just goes in to state something completely irrelevant or something that has already been said, better yet just ignoring everything that has been said to post fallacious claims based on your own ignorance
>>66195534
I made the weird frontier image and I elect to kick you out of this thread
>>66195534
wew lad
>>66190274
yeesh christ no put it back the way it was
>>66195160
hi unty
>>66195609
I'm literally about to smash my keyboard to bits because of how ridiculously fucking incapable of processing text you are.
I'm just going to leave here, because clearly you don't even read my posts and just go "nope wrong lel XD"
>>66195678
im dying
>>66195736
new, superior thread
when did avant garde turn from an academic pursuit to a mediocre regurgitation of pop culture?
>>66195761
POINT ME TO WHERE I FUCKING SAID YOU COULD START A BRAND NEW THREAD YOU GOD DAMNED FUCKING IGNORANT SCHMUCK
>>66195777
idk fuck off loser
>>66190274
when i see andy morins dumb blue makeup i always crack up
>>66195534
you're ignoring my arguments edgelord
>>66195866
IGNORING WHAT ARGUMETNS? HOLY FUCKING SHIT
I'VE DEBUNKED EVERY SINGLE "ARGUMENT" (READ: FALLACY) PRESENTED BY MY OPPONENT AND YOU JUST KEEP OND EFAULTING TO "NO YOU ARE WRONG LEL"
this thread is good
>>66193238
>thinking OPN is just arpeggios
>being this fucking deaf
OPN has way more interesting sound design than Arca tbqfhimhfoydpos
>>66195678
>>66195714
he's fucking dying you ass hole. i want you to apologize to him. you were so rude to this poor dying boy.
>>66195777
because pop culture defines our generation
you can't escape it no matter what. it's continues to influence society
>>66196512
honestly plebs just think arca's sound design is better because it's more "extreme" but in actuality it's well trodden territory.
>>66196602
i almost feel like ben frost or haxan cloak could fit in a category with him.
>>66196576
hmm
seems like kind of a fucking cop out
>>66196772
we live in an era of post-irony, in which we listen to ironic music in order to convey our post-ironic mentality, therefor avant artists tend to focus on exaggerating popular culture and mocking it rather than celebrating it or praising it. they post ironically portray the irony of the message behind their music.
>>66196772
mm nah not really all of their latest releases have been a different type of weird mocking of pop culture that all 4 fanbases can't fathom what went wrong
opn made an edm version of himself on god
ferraro went neoclassic sim influenced
dean made a uk hip hop album with shitty noise/power electronics
arca went from making experimental r&b/hip hop beats to grimier musique concrete
>>66196829
eh. that's kind of boring though, no?
>>66196892
ok but what i'm saying is that mocking pop culture really isn't all that fascinating a pursuit and if this is the current state of what's considered "avantgarde" that's depressing as hell
>>66197330
imo it was interesting a few years ago when it was fresh and the commentary was embedded in the actual music in a more coherent and compelling way (see fsv and replica). however now it seems that the concept takes preeminence and the music ends up a bit lackluster.
simon reynolds has a piece somewhere criticizing the current state of "concept-tronica" and sadly i'm inclined to agree with him.
>>66191254
>Koosha makes intense eye contact and says it's a crime the world doesn't have Universal basic income
I laughed way too hard at this.
Literally the only one worth a damn out of any of them is 0PN
