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Brilliant or retarded?
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I think it's brilliant. Not being sure who is real/fake adds an element of the suspense that wasn't present in the song originally
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>camera pans out
>okay talyr swift and ray j
>shocking
>camera pans out
>trump and bill cosby
>lol what
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Watching the crowd in the stadium was more interesting
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>taylor swift is the only onw without artificial tits

Video where?
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Neither
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>>65928970
>Brilliant
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>>65928998
>Cosby
that's why they all look like they're asleep
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pretending to be an "creative" and ofc it's fake.
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Why lie and say they are real?
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>having to sign up for tidal to see kanyes pr stunt, video released on a Saturday, height of no one will give a shit by monday except ktt day


Grade A certified graduated from retard school retarded
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Why do people like Kanye West?
Normalfags I understand, but this board is supposed to have taste in music.
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>>65929175
>this board is supposed to have taste in music
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>>65929175
he's a narcissist asshole that gets attention for being a narcissist asshole
which is what /mu/ likes to do. but they only get (You)'s
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>>65928970
it would be cool if they didnt move the camera to focus on the tits, and instead just panned evenly across everyone

if they did that it would be art rather then just exaggerated click bait
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>>65928970
You are talkingabout it, does that answerto your question
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It's retarded. I've defended Kanye before for silly shit but he's gone off the deep end.
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Here's to >>65929219, Nicola and Bart
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Can we get a high res of Tay Tay
?
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>>65928970
Brilliant
Some freaky, eerie, disquieting Harmony Korine/Michael Haneke shit
Altogether, i enjoyed watching and rewatching this video more than listening and relistening to TLOP
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kanye is literally the only artist in music with the balls to pull this off

everybody else is just a viet cong
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>>65929063
edge
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>>65928970
>Kanye looking to his left to make sure the dude isn't touching Kim's ass

Kek.
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>>65929083
publicity, causing people in the video getting asked if that was them, word of mouth ... basicly free promotion.
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>>65928970
Who is every there from left to right and who is real?
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>>65929339
It has nothing to do with his balls and everything to do with the fact that people like yourself will trip over their own mother to eat his shit straight out of his asshole and ask for seconds.
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>>65929339
Not really. Musicians have done edgier things. They will continue to do edgier things.
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>>65929339
I will admit, no other main stream artist would do shit like this. Imagine Jay-Z pulling this off? It would never happen.

I do love that Kanye's "brand" is primarily focused on what he wants to do. Many famous artists with "brands" will go crazy shit in a club (see: any famous athlete), but then issue some apology the next day. I'm sure there are tens of millions of Bieber fans that just think the media is out to get him and he's not a retarded, spoiled lesbian.

It's funny Trump is in it because that's really been his entire platform: saying what you truly believe and pissing people off in the process. I'm not defending Trump, but they are alike in the way they've gone about their fame. And it's worked.
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>>65929339
oh my its Allison raskin
hey allison
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>>65929544
Trump has held differing opinions on almost every issue since starting the campaign yet people still think he says what he means and means what he says fucking idiots
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generic shock imagery that people excuse just because of kanyes image

"yea ye the type of dude to do this type of shit"
"typical crazy kanye"
"kanye is a genius im telling you"
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>>65928986
Really? The only real ones (if any) are the obvious fame whores who made the video.
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>>65929460
>>65929460
>>65929460
>>65929460
this a million times.
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i thought it was funny
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>>65929063
they would be the ones not making the girls moan, if the orgy really happens
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>>65929175
I don't get it either.

With time I came to think that it's only a minority dickriding everything he does and others have given up talking to them since they are obviously retarded. (like the subhumans posting kpop threads)

Also when he's mentioned all the lurking normies finally have something to talk about so they spill their bullshit in these threads.
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That image is insta meme that's all that matters these days
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>>65930058
t. I've never seen a vagina
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guys i dont see grimes anywhere
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>>65930103
t. i have no vagina so i don't understand the appeal of trying out something that people always say as better
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>>65930103
not much to see
it's just like the tip of your dick, only bigger
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>>65930143
rude.
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>>65929063
>misconstruing the entire point of the art piece
T. projecting insecure idiot

I mean your god emperor trump is in there why is Ray J's abs triggering you this much?
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>>65928970
Are Taylor's tits that small IRL?
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>>65929535
how is this edgier
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>>65929063
>calling others insecure

Oh the irony.
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>>65930112
>waifu=famous
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>>65930227
If someone knows, it's Kanye that's for sure.
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>>65928970
what am i looking at?
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>>65929175
/mu/ loves kanye because he is literally THE absolute madman
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Everybody who isn't on the kanye train is beta as fuck. You're on the losing side of history ladies and gents
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>>65929175
he is living cancer and at the same time puts out stupid absurd shit like this. it's just horrible enough to be endearing
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I can't believe Kanye fucked Amber Rose, he fucked both of the best asses ever.
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That's a big bed
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>>65931129
exactly why hes a genius desu
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He's a genius at fooling a bunch of hip hop heads who know nothing about art.
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>>65928970
Initial reaction was "wtf you madman" but the more i look at it the more i think it's genius.
I like how big media that usually shits on kanye as soon as he does something stupid are so fucking in awe at this that they're all just so far reporting on it with zero editorializing or opinions, the edge between crazy and genius has become so fine the official mainstream consensus has still yet to be discovered.
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>Initial reaction was "wtf you madman" but the more i look at it the more i think it's genius.
Nobody fucking respond.
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Of course it's retarded, but like everything he's done, it's enough for him to just *allude* to something being there beyond the shit he just took for your average hip millennials to eat it up like candies

Although I'll give him props for proposing a brand of mainstream pseudo-intellectualism that's at least amusing (if not only for Kanye himself being mentally deficient) and more entertaining than the shit Bowie gaves decades ago
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>>65929175
>Normalfags I understand, but this board is supposed to have taste in music.
1-Stealth Marketters
2-Drone Newfags that falled into stealth marketters and think we like it, and so they should like it
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man this isn't weird
go to a dean blunt show. dude had a 20min loop of white man bashing. then another 20minutes of proud to be british
followed by power electronics
while under strobe lights
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>>65931129
do you think he fucked nicki too?
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>>65931129
are you black
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>>65930534
Peter Maxwell Davies
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>>65930961
>>65929450
>>65928970

Yeah what is this picture
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>>65929339
>kanye is literally the only artist in music with the balls to pull this off

Nigga, lisa suckdog allowed people to firstfuck her on live shows
the guy from gerogerigege used a vacuum cleaner to suck his own dick.
an metal band had people making sex while they played the songs
there is also crash worship band, had nude people around the listeners at their shows and had members that would try to make people get naked and etc..
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>>65928970
Kanye's work usually falls somewhere in-between these two categories t b h
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>>65931352
New Kanye vid
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>>65931364
none of these artists are famous or in the public as much as kanye. context makes it more or less extreme
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>>Initial reaction was "wtf you madman" but the more i look at it the more i think it's genius.
>Nobody fucking respond.
Nobody fucking respond tbhfam.
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>>65931416
>kanye is literally the only artist in music with the balls to pull this off
..................
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>>65931441
yep
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>>65931464
>>>65931364
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>>65929175
I've been wondering the same thing.

What exactly is so fucking appealing to Kanye
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>>65929339
When you feed off controversy and fame and you don't have an image to uphold, you BETTER pull off shit like this to stay in the biz
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>>65931364
>Nigga, lisa suckdog allowed people to firstfuck her on live shows
Only demeaning to her and to participants on their own volition
>the guy from gerogerigege used a vacuum cleaner to suck his own dick.
Only demeaning to himself on his own volition
>an metal band had people making sex while they played the songs
Only demeaning to them on their own volition
>there is also crash worship band, had nude people around the listeners at their shows and had members that would try to make people get naked and etc..
Only demeaning to participants on their own volition

Kanye's video, however, is demeaning to people without their consent. That is why he's an A B S O L U T E M A D M A N.
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>>65929175
few do, actually, and the ones that do is because of post-irony
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>>65929544
Kanye is the ultimate rapper because he literally is the perfect image of what a rapper should be. He's braggadocious he's extremely rich he has his own clothing line he sells millions of Records regardless of whether or not it sounds like his previous work he gets nice cars they fuck bitches with fat asses and he just generally does not give a fuck. He is the epitome of a rapper. He is the image of what a rapper should be. That is his brand.
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>>65931221
i agree.
this man knows what he's talking about
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>>65931621
so he's a rapist
sounds problematic too me
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>>65931129
She's ugly
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>>65931621
What about GG Allin raping and fighting with fains in the middle of a show?
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>>65931650
I didn't say it was a good move, I just said he's an absolute madman. Also, rapists are also madmen (unless they're women, then they're madwomen).
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I'd like to watch a video of an orgy with this group. Trump and Kanye spitroasting Taylor would be hot.
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>>65931684
If what you say is true, and it was meant to be a part of the show, then I'll admit you've got me there.
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>>65929219
>>65930081
>>65931109
>>65931278
>>65931558
>>65931625
oh my fuck the summer-fagdom going on in this thread....
pure fucking aids
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>>65931817
>trying this hard
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>>65929339
You mean Preoccupations?
I like that band
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Poptimism is cancer.
Don't reply to poptimism threads.
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Fun fact, simply click the thread thumbnail + shift will hide threads on the catalog if viewing with 4chanx

Fellow people who don't give a fuck about Kanye/nu-male music join me in doing that whenever one of these threads comes up from now, makes /mu/ much more tolerable
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>>65929339
>you might hijack a plane as a political statement
>but you'll never make a clickbait personified video to make tidal money
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>>65931828
nah it genuinely angers me that people don't get kanye. this is a fucking music board, not a
>muh hipster lo-fi vinyl garage band 60s psych revival
board
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>>65931817
>calling summer on someone else
welcome to 4chan, now get the fuck out.
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>>65931858
fuck off
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why is it always one of the other
why can't you nerds accept some things are okay, some thing are pretty good, some things are kind of awful and other things are interesting but lack execution
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>>65931864
Nu male
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i would love to have a sensual night with kanye
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>>65931887
>muh hipster lo-fi vinyl garage band 60s psych revival board
you just confirmed that you haven't browsed the board at all
also, the kanye threads are all about his public stupidity and not about his music.
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>>65931896
No you fuck off, and stop bringing down the quality of the board.
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>>65931812
you can google that one for yourself dipshit
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You guys think Kanye still jacks off to that vid of Kim getting railed by Ray J?
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>>65931858
>>65931864
>>65929219
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>>65929229
If you don't see why they did that I can explain.
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>>65931962
Without a doubt.
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so uh anyone got a full video
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>>65931129
ikr pham, these white boys will never know how it is to be succesful and fucking those thicc booties kanye is a legend
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>>65931952
did you know, you can like pop music and also not pop music? whoa
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>>65931980
Kanye marketing protocol:
1.- "He makes music and this is a music board, there are people that don't care for your unbearably white hipster bullshit like arctic monkeys or imagine dragons"
2.- "XDXD LE HE MAKES SHIT MUSIC *TIPS NECKBEARD* rap is a legit genre and kanye is a genius"
3.- "Why are you so insecure about a black dude? are you a numale? get back to /pol/"

Rinse and repeat.
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>>65931958
>implying I didn't
The results that came up said it was dubious, but extremely likely to be true. It's not undeniably confirmed, though, which is why I said what I said.
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>>65932073
you seem upset
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>>65932011
fucking gay dude
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Retarded
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>>65932017
And?
If you like pop music, don't discuss it here, it brings down the overall quality of the board.
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>>65929066
>Using cosby to check your own dubs

kek
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>>65932000
hiphopheads
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>>65929175
>>>/reddit/ with your rockist opinions
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>>65932140
I bet you're no fun to be around in real life
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>>65932210
wow wtf, too far man
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>>65932205
why do nigger lover cunts always pull rockism out of their ass?
there are far better hip hop acts than kanye west, he is just famous for his place in pop culture and the hate that fuels his act, nothing more.
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>>65931962
Kanye the Kuck
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>>65929339
wow your ver beauiful :)), do u have kik? ;-)
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>>65932205
I actually like Lamar and Drake.
Kanye is just shit.
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Retarded, but Kanye fans will lap it up.
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>>65932236
>has never listened to a kanye west album
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>>65932000
For them trips, anything
https://streamable.com/czq4.
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>>65932011
Gross
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>>65932011
>niggers
>on /mu/
this place is beyond salvation
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>>65932493
Go back to your safe space /pol/cuck.
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How come I haven't heard anyone call this misogynistic or problematic yet?
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>>65932578
because he's black
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can a kanye fan explain to me what's so brilliant about a video of a bunch of naked celebrities in bed with each other is? i get that the song is about fame (wow veru eoriginal xD he's never rapped about this topic be4 :OOO) but i feel like his stans are eating this shit up more because of the shock value instead of the actual message.

>bro kaney is a GENIUS fame celebrity life style is real holy shit bro hes a visionary

kanye hasn't had anything interesting to say since the late registration, he gives off the vibe of a fraud with everything he's done musically and publicly since MBDTF. hes just run out of shit to say and he's trying to hide that fact by being even more outlandish than he ever was with all these cringeworthy normie-core publicity stunts with his piss-poor taste in fashion and art

half of the xxl freshman list is making music more interesting than kanye is right now.

so please, everyone throwing around the word genius and brilliant, this is your opportunity to explain why for a change.
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>>65932645
because you see
they didn't consent
so he's making them mad
and that's genius
he's a ROCKSTAR alright
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>>65932578
what's problematic about it?
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>>65931931
lol m8 i've been here since 2010.

kanye hate and summer fags flooding this place are directly correlated
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>>65929005
What was the atmosphere in there like?
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>>65932703
>2010
aww isn't that cute
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>>65932703
could you explain this summer fag meme when everyone has access to the internet 24/7 with smartphones?
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>>65932645
whats the point youre too thick headed to get it why should anyone bother
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>>65929085
You could stream it without a tidal subscription.
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>>65931887
maybe other people get it but aren't as easily impressed my man
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>>65932736
nice bait, please spoonfeed me
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When will kanye get over the lets replace dead white art with a black man phase

Used to be a big fan but man im getting disappointed again and again
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>>65931864
Great thank you for the tip you stupid fuck
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>>65932578
because he is a nigger, his kind were slave like 70 years ago so we as society must babysit his public stunts
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>>65931635
I like Kanye but you should stop having opinions
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>>65932703
>2010
>using summer unironically
>calling /mu/ hipster vinyl bullshit unironically
cancer doesn't have a cure eh?
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>>65932731
basically, shit-posting is a full time job.

traffic doesn't increase in the summer, but the more bored people are, the more they argue on a turkish wholesale carpeting image board.

kanye is one of the easiest things to argue about. so all the people that would usually just avoid these threads don't find shitting on him on /r/music satisfying enough.

that's why you get summer fags dismissing kanye for being le ignorant narcissist all day
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>>65929175
hes objectively patrician
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>>65932645
it humanizes arguably the ten most hated celebrities in the world right now and asks the viewer the question "Why do you hate these people man? Can't you see their just like the rest of us?"
And it achieves this by striping them down completely(all of them naked, wiothout make up, without flashy clothes, without all the glitz and the glamour).
It's a brilliant concept/idea that produced a grreat music video.
That's about it.
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>>65932856
>people only diss kanye for being le ignorant narcissist
his music is fermented shit too
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>>65932826
i'm saying /mu/ isn't hipster vinyl bullshit usually.
when summer comes this place turns into Noisey brought to you by VICEâ„¢
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>>65932907
no I get that when I saw it. but they arent like the rest of us
which makes the point kinda moot. you know
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>>65932921
noisey loves sucking kanyes dick
you're right.
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>>65929031
TIDAL
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>>65932907
I saw it as when you're famous- especially in the digital age- you're always naked, always exposed, always vulnerable
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>>65932943
>but they arent like the rest of us
they are if you present them like they are shown in the video
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>>65932907
And what exact part of the lyrics in your head makes up for that interpretation?
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>>65932969
taste aside, what noisey does is social commentary of music exclusively. that's shit, something this board always smells of but isn't an overflowing diarrhea toilet the rest of the year
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>>65933031
Again I get that. but maybe it's just personal to me where this isn't anything new. maybe it is for you
The wax was probably the only cool part.

The child molesters and rapists are just like us also. Why in god's name people want celebrities to be brought down to us. is beyond my comprehension
Logical at the end of the day they're richer and more influential than any of us atm.
it's more depressing if anything
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>>65933087
why would you read noisey
why would you browse /mu/
just leave
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>>65933125
i don't read noisey, i have a twitter account and their shit gets retweeted all day long
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>>65933157
okay unfollow the people retweeting it????????
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>>65933031
i'm not a celeb, a politician or a nigger.
i'm not a fat white guy, a black woman or a bad rapper.
they aren't like the rest of us, this video is opportunistic and relies only on shock value, it doesn't have symbolic value nor sends a message, is just a bunch of naked people reminiscing famous people and just that.
trying to make apologism on kanye's stupidity just shows your blind fanatism to him.
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>it's an a bunch of lib cuck teens think kanye is a genius thread

Reported
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it's art in it purest form. provocative, aesthetic and mysterious.
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>>65928970
I don't know why half of the celebs are there, besides to showcase Kim's ass.

Also I don't know which celebrities are real in this video, my guess would be that only Kanye and Kim are the real original
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>>65932907
>It's a brilliant concept/idea that produced a grreat music video.
i think that's where we disagree, the rest was obvious though
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>>65929339
is that you? fucking london
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>>65933143
HOLY SHIT HE'S A GENIUS BRO FUCK !!!!!!1 HE'S THE 21ST CENTURY PICASSO

t. 15 yo suburban /r/hhh user
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>>65933199
in what way is it mysterious?
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>>65933143
niggers doing plagiarism again
>B-BUT ITS SYMBOLIC!
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>>65933330
its an omage
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>>65933184
>i'm not a fat white guy
i highly doubt that
>trying to make apologism on kanye's stupidity just shows your blind fanatism to him.
nah i disliked plenty of his songs and plenty of his work (TLOP being one of them)

And you being this assblasted about a bunch of people that you don't know(only because they're FAMOUS), and that shouldn't mean anything to you just proves point the video is trying to make.
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>>65933354
Fromage more like.
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>>65933330
Ever heard of pastiche fedoralords? I bet you think this Raphael painting is plagiarism of Mona Lisa too.
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>>65933329
we don't see their pee pees.
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>>65933369
>anon's fat and mad because i said so
kanye fans everyone
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>>65933427
>tfw you just know some of these people are in this very thread
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damn i forgot my tea from the kitchen
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>>65933425
my point was that just because it's an homage doesn't automatically make it genius or a masterpiece. did you write the last paragraph of p4k's review of TLOP? this is the problem with suburban teenagers now a days, as soon as someone references an artist from 16th-19th century you automatically think they're a genius because they replicated/referenced some of their art
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>>65933425
>a nigger copypasting shit in a music video = pastiche
grasping at straws
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>>65933369
>he is FAMOUS and you are not
oh the irony
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for all the losers who don't think kanye is a ultra mega genisu artistic bro listen to his verse on this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_DHRI-Xp0

it will prove you wrong and convert you
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>>65933448
imagine how happy you could be if you invested al this time and energy in losing weight, instead of being mad at some dude on the internet
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>>65933481
I wouldn't call it genius but it is a cool idea. Renaissance writers were considered genius for directly quoting Greek/Roman works.

>>65933500
Now explain throroughly the difference between the two my salty friend.
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>>65933597
>Renaissance writers were considered genius for directly quoting Greek/Roman works.
lol kill yourself stop altering information to fit your garbage point, they weren't considered geniuses solely because they quoted those works you coward
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>>65933597
>burden of proof is on you!
eat a dick
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>>65933369
I'm black and I don't relate to any of this shit nigga.
I'm in college trying to get my bachelors and these rich niggas ain't doing shit for me

pic related me
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>>65933655
kik? ;)
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yo where the torrent at
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>>65933593
>imagine how happy you could be if you invested al this time and energy in losing weight, instead of being mad at some dude on the internet
Its a hormonal problem, not going to work, it also makes my skin darker on the joints i'm afraid i'm turning black again, i had vitiligo since i was 8 years old and i decided to bleach my skin completely.
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>>65933655
good 4u man
nice dubs btw
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banter

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/746775420024946689
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>>65933632
You seem butthurt as fuck my friend. Yes, referencing or even quoting classical works was considered a display of intellect back then.
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>>65933329
"what does he mean,really??"
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>>65933770
yeah yeah rely on shock value for your lack of creativity
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>>65931364
Here's (your) response.
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>>65933759
What in the fuck is this comment?
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kek all of you retards who take kanye seriously. No one actually thinks he is a genius for his art they think he is smart for how he plays the media.
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"Can somebody sue me already? I'll wait"

What did he mean by this?
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>>65929339
is this the girl from cracked
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>>65933847
>shock value doesn't have artistic power
this is why I don't browse /mu/
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>>65933931
>give me more attention
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>>65933759
good post tobh lad
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>>65934047
>i'm on /mu/ to tell /mu/ i don't browse /mu/
yeah okay
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I ain't mad at all at a naked Taylor Swift look-a-like. I'll tell you that much.
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>>65932730
>Implying you're not some reddit faggot

>>65931931
Ever heard of MBDTF? most of /mu/ fucking loves it

I hate this place in summer
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>>65931980
Le ebin Reddit hat meme! you got him good!
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I honestly thought it was great familia. Odd at first but the last shot makes it worth it
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>>65932000
Y2K CHECKED
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Friendly reminder that if you're a fan of Kanye West you are a normie and need to leave
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>>65929339
Marilyn Manson released an hour long "art piece" with Golden Age of Grotesque.

Kanye aint the first and he wont be the last.
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>>65934082
I'm actually on /mu/ for this thread since we can't talk about it on /tv/ (which isn't much better than /mu/, admittedly)
leaving now though
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>>65934158
wow, you did it, your shitpost literally cleansed this board of all kanye fans
retard
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>>65933057
He probably just needed background music for this "art" video or some shit
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>>65928970
ok but who are the first two? Bush - Hillary?
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If dubs Kanye is ironpilled
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>>65932645
>half of the xxl freshman list is making music more interesting than kanye is right now.

cmon thats a bit excessive. that list is trash
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>>65931621
>Kanye's video, however, is demeaning to people without their consent. That is why he's an A B S O L U T E M A D M A N.


SO what you are telling he is the only one that did it in a cultural marxist way?
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>>65928970
I dunno if it's brilliant. It's definitely thought-provoking. The porn/art debate is old and not getting solved anytime soon but this definitely walks the razor's edge and has me questioning my own visceral responses.
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>>65931364
>the guy from gerogerigege used a vacuum cleaner to suck his own dick.
I've used a vacuum cleaner to suck my own dick.
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lmao I fuckin love this video
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>>65928970
Both
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>>65929339


wow a girl thanks for saying hi girl

good to know we have a girl on the internet or as I like to call it
'the internets' hehe

fellow girl here signing off haha stay safe! go away boys
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>>65933759
this is a #good post
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>>65933427
The most cringeworthy part is that you were there to cap it in the first place.
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Can someone name the people from left to right?

Thanks
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>>65933759
underrated
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>>65935172
They're named in the video.
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>>65933481
it's not homage, it's appropriation
he's recontextualizing the image from desiderio's painting
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Only watched for the nude Taylor Swift

God that song was terrible, ya'll Kanye fans are basic as fuck

0/10
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the absolute madman has gone too far this time

hes gonna get sued into oblivion and lose
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Pretty sure it's based on the reaction to his "I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex" line. It's saying that all those people made him famous (e.g. What he said about George Bush caused a lot of uproar, the Taylor incident, and his comment about Bill Cosby etc.), so they have sex or some shit.
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I don't understand why this is such a big deal for people. it's literally just naked people
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>>65935767
The nu-males on /mu/ can't handle it.
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>>65935767
yeezy triggers plebs
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