>Wants to be an incredible and meticulous legendary artist who's so incredibly talented and nightmarishly creative
>Doesn't want to be "cute" since that's exactly what made her famous and she knows it
>Decides to constantly shit on Visions since she's nihilistic and wants to be anti-hipster as possible (New Meta-hipster tactics)
God what an untalented self-important wannabe messiah
>>65465325
what a cuck
be nice to Grimes
>>65465325
Oh do you know her personally?
i dont want my words to be taken out of context
i dont want to be infantilized because i refuse to be sexualized
i dont want to be molested at shows or on the street by people who perceive me as an object that exists for their personal satisfaction
i dont want to live in a world where im gonna have to start employing body guards because this kind of behavior is so commonplace and accepted and I’m pissed that when I express concern over my own safety it’s often ignored until people see firsthand what happens and then they apologize for not taking me seriously after the fact…
I’m tired of men who aren’t professional or even accomplished musicians continually offering to ‘help me out’ (without being asked), as if i did this by accident and i’m gonna flounder without them. or as if the fact that I’m a woman makes me incapable of using technology. I have never seen this kind of thing happen to any of my male peers
I’m tired of the weird insistence that i need a band or i need to work with outside producers (and I’m eternally grateful to the people who don’t do this)
I’m tired of creeps on message boards discussing whether or not they’d “fuck” me
I’m tired of people harassing my dancers and treating them like they aren’t human beings
im tired of being referred to as ‘cute,’ as a ‘waif’ etc., even when the author, fan, friend, family member etc. is being positive
>>65465325
agreed fampai
>>65465355
Grimes is a cuck
>>65465358
I do. Puke lip stick is gross
>>65465364
>i refuse to be sexualized
>is a woman
For what purpose?
>>65465364
tldr
Can you do a song as good as Oblivion again pls?
>>65465325
she's an industry plant. she makes shitty "indie" music for people who own iphones and consider themselves hipsters, so she has that market appeal on one end, and on the other shes ugly as hell so ugly nerds can feel as if they connect with her or have a chance.
shes also pseudo weird and faux avant garde, so combine being ugly with having that and you have an untapped market of snowflake ugly nerds that get the all in one package.
>>65465432
I'M NOT CUTE OKAY, SO STOP SAYING THAT
HERE'S A POINTLESS VIDEO OF ME EATING POPCORN TRYING TO LOOK CUTE
https://www.instagram.com/p/6ZfSnhDfgY/
>>65465358
no, and don't want to
>>65465454
How about a video of you making something as good as Oblivion again?
>>65465364
>>65465454
>there is someone that is such a loser he pretends to be sitty pop artists on anonymous paper making Taiwanese boards
>>65465444
God she is such a normie, but you can tell she thinks she's a pseudo weirdo because she grabs every color scheme in the second shop like a desperate and confused chameleon.
I love when she tries to act like a cinephile, just desperately names off Tarkovsky and Lynch like they're some unobtainable layer of discernment and knowledge.
Cringeworthy was when she was asked Lynch or Jarmusch, and she said "lynch obviously" like she even knows who the fuck Jim Jarmusch is or the capacity of his filmmaking prowess against Lynch.
>>65465454
that is the worst video I think I have ever seen
>>65465507
>There is someone such a loser they think I'm sincerely pretending to be grimes
>comes at me with an overtly sincere 'GOTCHA' sort of attitude
You're as dumb as sticky toilet paper
>>65465476
>tfw the director was probably the real star behind Grimes
>tfw grimes is directing her own videos
>tfw all the ugly colors, literally no color scheme, just a random hosh-posh of random "aesthetics" with no visual or narrative symmetry.
>tfw she's so desperate to be some sort of "auteur" and "triple-threat" she's compromising herself
>tfw she demands retro-active "co-director" of Oblivion MV because she knows the best thing that she was involved in
>>65465516
desu if your knowledge of anything comes from 4chan obviously its also nothing past surface level
>>65465325
>Decides to constantly shit on Visions
Her only album worth listening to. So it's a very smart move
>>65465680
>implying I didn't just take a year long break from this place
Be jelly
>>65465700
why come back?
also why is that supposed to mean anything under the context ive put forward?
>>65465516
Normie's don't find fame, man. You don't know her. Many of the most perverse people I grew up with were seemingly "normies".
Tarkovsky and Lynch are extremely common picks for anyone with an above-average interest in film. I don't think she's trying to come across as a cinephile.
Jarmusch and Lynch aren't really comparable anyways. I like my favourite Lynch movie more than my favourite Jarmusch movie though, but I too am merely a dilettante of film.
>>65465877
>normie's don't find fame
Celebrity worship is real
>>65465325
leave grimes alone shes genuine and talented
>>65465976
>Leave grimes alone, she's malnourished and a weeb
>>65465803
>let me just use a meme, gif, or wall of irony I found on reddit to dismiss him and imply I am objectively correct and anyone who opposes me is just being silly
getting tired of this marxist rebuttal. this site was supposed to be different and you cunts are plaguing it
>>65465325
Be nice to Grimes, cunt. She did Art Angels more upbeat because she's in a happier place now. She had her fair share of shitty life.
>Doesn't want to be "cute" since that's exactly what made her famous and she knows it
That didn't made her famous, but her music. There are LOTS of cute girls, but who's getting fans, respect and acclaim?
>>65465991
>Get's mad their misguided sincerity isn't matched with more misguided sincerity
Okay Cormac McCarthy, go on tumblr, you'll get what you're looking for there.
>>65466007
>Doesn't want to be "cute" since that's exactly what made her famous and she knows it
thats a pretty ridiculous statement she wouldnt be where she is if that was the only factor
>>65465444
>she's an industry plant.
Grimes is the most indie artist you can find. She writes her own songs, sings, produces, writes lyrics, draws artwork, directs music videos. How is that even remotely industry plant?
>>65466077
>implying if she looked Julia Holter and Julia Holter looked like Grimes we wouldn't have Julia Holter dropping another hot album
>>65465444
Grimes fucking blows, but she's not an industry plant
>>65465364
I wdnt fuck you
>>65466202
You and me, were meant to be, walking free, in harmony, one fine day, we'll run away.
Don't you know that rome wasn't built in a day?
>>65466107
>Grimes fucking blows
False. Everyone with a decent taste knows that she's very good. Obviously, you're not part of that group of people.
>>65466232
>very good
I'd accept acceptable.
But "very good" is a very good reach.
>>65465916
celebrities are not normies, no matter how normie they may seem to you.
>>65466102
Julia Holter is talented, no doubt about it, but she's unable to write catchy songs. Grimes found the best ballance between experimental and pop. That's why so many folks connected to her music.
>>65466228
I don't understand that music or idea, sorry. I'm sjw prosmurfliberation catholicist aliens.
>>65466285
>It's magic, not circumstance
>>65466232
>Everyone with a decent taste knows that she's very good. Obviously, you're not part of that group of people.
wew
fucking
lad
>>65466254
She's very good. If you don't believe me, google her name and see what other think about her. Read her reviews too. You have to accept that, bro, regardless of what do you think about her.
>>65466292
You know I can't argue with you, you're pretty right on this.
>>65465991
preach
>>65466228
Rome was though built in a day, since a place is only real through outsider-observation, and 'when in romE, do as the romans have their due', ergo...
>>65466345
Naw she isn't.
>>65466346
I like Julia too. She never aimed at mainstream success. Her music is a little too difficult for the mainstream audience.
>>65466377
Even if you built it, you'd still need to put all the leg work to make it into an empire. Otherwise it's just a bunch of buildings
>>65465364
wouldn't really surprise me if this was actually her
>>65466390
I'm willing for this compromise: she's not very good according to you. Happy now?
>>65466420
Thank you. If this call is for the pharmacy. Please. Press. 1.
>>65465364
>I’m tired of men who aren’t professional or even accomplished musicians continually offering to ‘help me out’ (without being asked), as if i did this by accident and i’m gonna flounder without them. or as if the fact that I’m a woman makes me incapable of using technology
reading way too much into the situation here
also, this is a lie or she's outrageously self-involved:
>I have never seen this kind of thing happen to any of my male peers
>>65466450
bra she actually posted that liek 3 years ago.
That is truly and sincerely her own words
>>65466409
Fuck rome and fuck you, fuck both you warlording homos. What is once truth, remains true, shove your golden future up your ass. Life isn't about power. Life isn't about living. Life isn't a thing. Romes are things... you suck.
what is this fucking thread
am i stroking out
stop being mean to grimes
>>65466500
>What is once truth, remains true
Wars do not make one great. If you hit a man, in time, his wounds will heal, if you steal from a man, you can replace what was once stolen, one fish two fish, 3 fish blue fish.
Nick nack patty wack, give a dog bone
>>65465325
>New Meta-hipster tactics
bruh u gotta take a break from 4chan for while
>>65466396
Julia Holter is brilliant and I'm glad she flies under the radar a bit as it makes her music feel more personable.
Saw her live last year in a tiny space under a pub and it was brilliant. If she was as big as grimes that wouldn't be possible.
>>65465686
>Her only album worth listening to.
WTF? Do you never heard Halfaxa, Geidi Primes, Art Angels?
>>65466396
>>65466576
I'm quite ignorant for making that comparison.
She's honestly magical af and the personal and cozy claustrophobic vibe with her music is an atmosphere of it's own
>>65466671
Julia /mu/ waifu status confirmed.
Grimes lures you with her catchy songs but beats you down with her quirky/experimental elements. She's magical.
>>65466696
>Tfw I ain't even mad
the grimes task force is so annoying desu
>>65466866
Coz their views don't align with your views? Stopping hating Grimes would be a good start to not being annoyed anymore.
clams casino x grimes collab when
>>65465364
Grimes is such a pseudo-intellectual, Jesus Christ.
>>65468056
I hope never
>>65468056
considering >>65466450 probably never
>>65468091
>>65468056
Honestly she doesn`t like being involved with men, I think it`s her dad who was a weird hypo-religo, cult-like behaivor, forcing them to go on runs as a family. Just weird compliance shit.
It`s why she started directing her own music videos, and only embraced Emily Kai Block as a director of hers, and a part of the reason she disowned the Nightmusic video and cancelled the Be A Body video, although I may be wrong and that she directed the Be A Body but I remember hearing that was directed by someone else.
>>65468168
>she doesn't like being involved with men
wrong
>her dad who has a weird hypo-religo cult-like behavior
her dad drove her around on her first tour with dolldrums. he also starred in the christmas song II video. she loves her father.
that "weird compliance shit" was her household being strict. she was forced to do ballet, forced to keep in shape. its why she moved to montreal. she still went home for christmas, though.
>It`s why she started directing her own music videos
her first video (vanessa) she directed herself
she co-directs all her videos with her brother, they are two parts of the cinematography company roco-prime.
don't be a dunce.
>>65468246
Her brother is pretty untalented then, I can`t believe he lets those color schemes get by.
And she does hate men, why do you think she has a cuck like James around?
So she ran away from home because it was too strick, but this somehow is you undercutting my argument that her home-life was weird hypo-religio cult-like behavior, instead of strengthening it.
Emily Kai Block is the true genius
>>65468246
>forced to keep in shape
how awful
>>65468368
>And she does hate men, why do you think she has a cuck like James around?
because James is a handsome cutie artist and that appeals to claire. and she knows he'll never run off with another girl like her old boyfriends did.
>but this somehow is you undercutting my argument that her home-life was weird hypo-religio cult-like behavior, instead of strengthening it.
strict isn't hypo-religio cult-like. they were expected to adhere to a discipline, her family has won medals in the olympics.
she just wanted to smoke weed and drop acid and draw shit in peace.
>>65468485
Lol man you are deluded. I can see why you're part of GRF
>>65468525
great post friend
>>65468547
say it nice
>>65468246
>her dad drove her around on her first tour
im fucking dying imagining that
especially considering 2011 she was still doing a shitload of drugs and would do them before shows.
like that nigga probably spent the entire time driving his minivan looking like pic related
>>65466543
What is once truth, remains true. Discuss, demon.
>>65468749
incorrect.
before this post, this post did not exist. now that this post exists, that has become false.
>>65468749
>>65468772
wtf is going on in this thread rn
>>65468818
it's grimes thread ya kno
>>65468695
I don't think it's true
i honestly think grimes would enjoy posting here, if she could learn to shut off her brain and not take what people post to heart. she started her tumblr to post shit away from the mainstream media, but here is a much better platform for that. she can be as brash and political and angry and hurtful as she wants. she'd probably love it, but only if she could ignore everybody replying to her talking about sniffing the cracks between her toes.
>>65469223
https://vimeo.com/20808480
>>65469299
>implying this would be good for that
maybe for like a month the mainstream blindspot that this website exists in would be sufficient for her to be able to shitpost freely
but it wouldn't take long after that for some aggregator blog to find out and post about how terrible a person she is for posting here, and then pitchfork writing an article about how grimes posts to a racist pedophile website and then a huge controversy starts.
fame is a bitch.
>that one dude who tells you not to make fun of Grimes being malnourished
>>65469483
that month would be hilarious though.
it would probably be the first time since 2012 claire would let down her hair on the internet and not give a fuck, and if you were around for her twitter from 2012 and before you know just how fucking hilarious that was, especially the #surrealistyuppie shit she'd post.
fame killed access to claire's GOAT side.
>>65469622
He's right.
>>65470737
I know it's you Kurtis
Is grimes actually a robot? Niggas is aliens, hence snakes ladders to the heavens planes. Is stvincent then a wizard. Does that make falloutboy bigfoot? Yes.
>>65465325
wearing that bindi is cultural appropriation. check your fucking privilege Grimes
>>65472280
she actually apologized for wearing a bindi in a post on her tumblr back in 2013
ITT: /mu/ doesn't like grimes anymore
>>65472373
>/mu/
FIFY: some users of /mu/. There are many that like her.
I love Grimes
>>65465325
do you like kanye?
>>65472422
>I love grimes too!
>mfw i open that picture
>>65472422
Even her haters like her a bit, deep down, but they will never recognize.
>>65472422
that feel when no dense leg hair
t. low test
Grimes is so funny!
>>65472638
Part 2
Grimes "fighting" Hana, you have to watch this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BGTMBVmKh2N/
if grimes is so great how come she always deletes her tweets?
>>65466083
>cucked this hard
at this point she is full on industry property
>>65473591
She's too self-conscious. She judges herself too harshly and she's a bit afraid of media talking shit about her, taking things out of context and so on.
>>65472638
>>65472710
she's so quirky XD
>>65473719
It makes me wonder: how some people could hate such a nice person like her?
>>65473782
its one of the mysteries of humanity, someone who makes something will garner hate for no reason
If you took away all of the beta guys who listen to her only because they want to awkwardly "fuck" her, nobody would give a shit about Grimes.
>>65473782
because fan base
>>65465364
>I’m tired of the weird insistence that i need a band or i need to work with outside producers (and I’m eternally grateful to the people who don’t do this)
a thousand times this. the whole point of grimes is her production. the vocals are just another instrument to her
cute
im going to hit her, with a hammer
anyone else think that her graphical works are bellow mediocre?
>>65474715
I actually like her visual art. I think she is quite creative and talented.
>>65474763
isn't it?
>>65474715
so generic
4chan loves her because she is autistic
>use sex to sell yourself
>complain about people seeing you as a sexual object
>>65475454
>>complain about people seeing you as a sexual object
grimes use modeling to feed her fat bf and useless group members not to sell albums
>>65475987
>feed her fat bf and useless group members
what do you mean by this?
>>65474715
i like her style and free form approach shes creative
remember when she thought a dril tweet was a quote from the shining
>>65476049
i mean ontological permeability of metaphysical singularity
>>65476049
she and james dont have sex and hana and bloodpop are useless
>>65477789
there is that guy who mostly do mostly manual work too
>>65466292
Why would want to write catchy songs If she's taltntd in the first place?
>>65465325
She's being delusional. Her opinions just make her music look worse. She's should stop act a thirteen y/o talking about politics.
>She has lost the respect of many
because can keep her mouth shut
truly sad
what an uninteresting individual
>>65465325
>cute
Hahahaha stopped reading there
>>65465325
>Decides to constantly shit on Visions
Wait, what? Bullshit
>>65465454
She looks like a rat or splice
>you will never be that piano
why live?!
>>65465454
ahhh yes thats the stuff post moarrr
>>65465364
One striker to the solar plexus. Just one. All I need is one strike.
God these new televisions are really interactive nowadays
>>65479676
>piano
kys
>>65465364
Damn, I wish I didn't like art angels.
>>65474482
You forgot the meme
Arrow >
>
>
>cute
>>65466007
>she's in a happier place now.
I hope i never run into you in a public space.
>>65474304
Underrated post.
>>65478552
Because almost all famous/respected songs are catchy in a way or another. It's not easy to write a catchy song that hasn't been done before.
>>65478968
That's right, it's bullshit made up by the OP. Grimes still performs songs from that album, ffs.
>>65481753
>retard taking things literally
>>65483309
my favorite grimes
She's my favourite human being, would marry
One day Claire will marry me, mark my words.
Am I the only one who can't listen to her music cuz of her voice
>>65466314
No, non-normies that appeal to normies make it. Channing Tatum or Amy Adams probably have more unique and perverse minds than most of 4chan.
>grimes made a music video where she's in the nude for almost the entirety of it
>never getting released
whyyyy
>>65484551
yeah sure
>>65485325
at least this leaked.
>>65485570
sometimes i really hate her edgemastery
>>65466026
He actually won't, since this apathetic aesthetic and dismissive demeanor has long been adopted by most Internet subcultures, especially tumblr, so I'm with him.
You need to get out, either that, or stop contributing to discourses on which you've nothing to fucking say. I'm beyond tired of this shit.
In less than a year, Grimes fans have become the most insufferable posters on this board.
Really a tremendous accomplishment, for which I foresee no present peer. Sure, twenty-one pilots posting is exhausting my patience at an exponential rate, but surely that's just a fad.
>>65486050
At least everyone knows them. To be the most insufferable posters on an insufferable board is an achievement.
>>65486061
a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
>>65485570
>grimes showed her boobies to the whole world
s-she's not pure ;-;
>>65486222
worse than that
she made softcore pornband decided not to share it in last minute.
So now I am mad and I can't even fap.
>>65486222
it's not her
>>65486222
>implying it's grimes in that pic, and not an actor
>>65472851
>tfw grims has a better stance than half the people in this thread
>>65465432
Oblivion a shit
>>65486544
Whoa, careful with that edgy opinion.
>>65486443
that jaw looks like 1/1 grimes, though body doesn't look as malnourished :^)
Let's be honest, even if only for a moment: Why do you people like Grimes?
Tell me, please, because at present, you people are scarcely even human to me; you exist as animated memes, with meme aesthetics, demeanor, personalities, tastes, etc. Just memes, and no authenticity.
Unsheathed by your meme-veil and rendered human, at least I can attempt empathizing with you people.
>>65486603
she makes cute music for cute people.
she is autistic and was almost neet loner for few years so i can relate
She has man tier ideals instead of sjw bs
shes has cute lisp and ADHD
She is edgemaster
10/10 waifu
>>65486603
>>65486653
did you delete the first one so you could add a period
>>65486732
these pseudo intellectuals are really insecure
>>65486732
Yes.
>>65486789
Pursuing precision isn't an indictment of being a pseudo-intellectual. You're a fool.
>>65486837
insecure people always start ward themselves with insults. you should take example from grimes and be nicer to people.
>>65486935
It's not an insult to tell a fool that he's a fool.
>be nicer people
Why would I waste a moment of my time exchanging vacuous niceties with others on the Internet. Interactions are richest when imbued with sincerity, not when monitored and tailored towards being nice for its own sake.
So tell me again why I should curb my convictions and dilute our present discourse with nonsense niceties. I'm waiting.
>>65486653
I saw her on acid and had a lot of fun dancing to her music. That's why.
>>65487036
>So tell me again why I should curb my convictions and dilute our present discourse with nonsense niceties. I'm waiting.
because you have nothing to debate.
>>65487099
Everything is an argument. Everything is a debate.
>>65487133
No you just use faux vocabulary (like we use memes) to communicate empty points.
>>65487241
>empty point
Show me an example, an example from a post in this thread.
Note: My initial inclination is that you're full of shit, and don't actually believe the words you're typing, or have the means to defend said words. If either, or both, of those is the case, do not respond to this post, because I do have the means to defend what I type, and I'm not scared to show you.
>>65487394
>Show me an example, an example from a post in this thread.
pretty much every post you made has no value neither to this board or this thread.
Note: My initial inclination is that when you grow up you will understand that people are very harsh to those who try to hang noodles on their ears
>>65487551
Your reply is incoming. I was attending to other matters until just now.
>produces, mixes and plays every instrument on art angels
>untalented
>>65465325
The harder something tries not to be cute, the cuter it gets. Didn't she pay attention when watching anime?
>>65487551
>pretty much every post you made has no value neither to this board or this thread
This reply >>65485976 was a response to a particular post. While it's of perhaps little relevance to the thread's general purposes, that's irrelevant. My reply was relevant to the post I replied to, and it wielded a point, an argument, which is what you were arguing.
This post >>65486050 similarly, while not necessarily related to the thread's general purposes, has a point, which is among the few of this board's consensuses: That Grimes fans are insufferable. Further, the post has a point, which is what you were arguing.
This post >>65486653 had a point, which was to learn why people like Grimes.
This post >>65486837 had a point, which was to answer a question, and defend myself while calling you an idiot.
This post >>65487036 had a point, which was to respond to you are argue the merits of niceness for its own sake vs the merits of sincerity.
This post had a point, which is that everything is an argument.
Finally, note that the vapid image spam similarly isn't relevant to this thread's general purpose, and is of little to no value. And then note the degree to which you changed your argument. You began by saying that I "communicate empty points," only then to say that every post I've made has "no value to this board or this thread." Note how these are not the same thing. Note how you are a backpedaling fool. Note how in the midst of your pathetic backpedaling I still rhetorically reduced you to an ineffectual little nothing, a vacuous, shallow puddle in the sea of time and continuity.
Note that I warned you against replying to me with this shit.
Note that I fucking told you that I would fucking destroy you.
>>65465325
Oh look, it's this thread again
>>65465388
Because the neo-left thinks the solution to women being objectified is to un-objectify women and not to objectify men, too.
>>65487899
what a load of sordid trivialities
and they are still empty points too
>which was to learn why people like Grimes.
So did you learn?
>had a point, which was to answer a question, and defend myself while calling you an idiot.
Did you defended?
>had a point, which was to respond to you are argue the merits of niceness for its own sake vs the merits of sincerity.
So did you argued and win?
e.g.
>Pursuing niceness isn't an indictment of not being sincere
>>65487899
#shitposting
>>65465325
This has to be some form of marketing tactic, nobody is this pathetic to worship a mediocre pop artist
She looks/acts like a retarded Star Wars character. I genuinely hope none of you have any of her music or pictures saved.
>>65488155
>did you learn
Yes. I learned why two people like her.
>did you defended
I did.
>did you argued and win
Considering your response was "I've nothing to debate," and I do, and told you why, yes: I did when, unless you intend to actually dispute something before I grow tired of our discourse.
>pursuing niceness isn't an indictment of not being sincere
When you tell me that I should stop using "insults" and instead advocate being nice, it is. I see no polite way to say that you're a fool.
>and they are still empty points too
Neat. That's the second time you've said that without any sort of substantiation. The first time I dismissed such an egregious omission and simply told you why you're wrong. Now, though, you're simply repeating yourself without telling me why I'm wrong, without telling me why those points are empty.
>>65488276
another tripfag for my filter nice
>>65488307
>I can't defeat you in debate, so I'll just announce to the public that I'm filtering you instead!
>surely that will obscure the fact that I'm an intellectually insufficient imbecile!
You people are too cute.
>>65488389
>You
>tfw grimes will never incredibly and meticulously sit on your face and ejaculate
>>65488276
I could say it for they third time too, they are trivial roundabout arguments and has no value whatsoever. You just make point and reinforce it with your point itself.
>Yes. I learned why two people like her.
you got memed, which is exactly opposite what you asked
>I did.
that just silly ad infinitum
>Considering your response was "I've nothing to debate," and I do, and told you why, yes: I did when, unless you intend to actually dispute something before I grow tired of our discourse.
Only thing you debate is that you someway can convince me that i am wrong in some way. It is pretty moronic considering circumstances.
>>65488307
>>65488389
im avatarfaging grimes now, and i am not 4cuck user
^^
>>65485091
>11:11:11
HOLY FUCK LOOK WHAT TIME IT WAS
why people always share the same pictures of her? i'm not interested but i'm tyred of waifufags, this boards is now worst that /tv/
>>65488586
>you got memed
And what is your point? I hope you're not suggesting I should avoid asking questions forever because there's a chance that others simply use it as a platform for memes.
>only thing you debate is that you someway can convince me that I am wrong in some way.
Yes. I suppose that's what a debase is, in broad terms.
>it is pretty moronic considering circumstance
By circumstance I infer you mean this platform is ill-suited for discussion and you'd never a change of opinion, and perhaps that is the case, but if again, if you're arguing that I should holistically avoid hosting discussions on this site because some people aren't open to conflicting opinions, that speaks more to how little you value intellect and pursuit of the truth than anything else.
>they are trivial roundabout arguments
What are? Be specific, like I've been. Previously you said every post in this thread, but if you're implying that every post in this thread follows that formula then I don't believe I've much more to say to you.
It's interesting.
I think foremost among the reasons that I'm always pulled into these long arguments is my intellectual insecurity. Internally, I don't think I'm very smart, at all. Deep down, I consider my convictions ill-conceived and my intelligence dim, so perhaps my ever-eagerness to engage in arguments such as this is an expression of my yearning to be proved wrong beyond any hope of redemption. So, so badly I just want that, for someone to shut my shit up and affirm my latent inhibitions and conceptions of stupidity.
That's all I want.
>>65488768
>And what is your point? I hope you're not suggesting I should avoid asking questions forever because there's a chance that others simply use it as a platform for memes.
yes i suggest you to ask some grimesfag face to face. I wouldn't discuss measles to kindergardeners even though they are most prone to have it.
>Yes. I suppose that's what a debase is, in broad terms.
It would, but you never used correct arguments or valid proofs before making claims.
>By circumstance I infer you mean this platform is ill-suited for discussion and you'd never a change of opinion, and perhaps that is the case, but if again, if you're arguing that I should holistically avoid hosting discussions on this site because some people aren't open to conflicting opinions, that speaks more to how little you value intellect and pursuit of the truth than anything else.
Your one "point" was that i am fool based on statement that:
>Pursuing precision isn't an indictment of being a pseudo-intellectual.
While you pretty much similar claim witch could be rephrased as
>Pursuing niceness isn't an indictment of not being a sincere.
So based on your logic, either we both are fools, or i'm not a fool and you make invalid "point".
>What are? Be specific, like I've been. Previously you said every post in this thread, but if you're implying that every post in this thread follows that formula then I don't believe I've much more to say to you.
pretty much you are fool because i said so.
>run into grimes in la just walking around
>"h-hi misses grimes"
>spill my spaghetti all over the ground
>she grins, "how did you know i liked spaghetti anon?"
>goes down on her hands and knees and begins to eat it off of the sidewalk
>james just stands there like pic
>run away as fast as i can
>>65488307
don't filter unty man, he's the best tripfag, most entertaining of all
>>65488768
>>only thing you debate is that you someway can convince me that I am wrong in some way.
>Yes. I suppose that's what a debase is, in broad terms.
i thought you were supposed to be smart? you totally missed his point, reread
>>65489140
common he is so dense, that can't even realize that most thing we are "debating" are you just intrinsically subjective opinions instead of some fundamental truths and really can't even be debated.
>>65489012
Measles is an affliction, a disease. Grimes is something you people supposedly enjoy. You're here, littering this thread with a litany of her pictures; you've no reason to not share what you like about her.
>never used correct arguments or valid proofs before making claims
You've still never referenced any specific examples.
>comparing my statement "pursuing precision isn't an indictment of being a pseudo-intellectual" to "pursuing niceness isn't an indictment of being sincere."
An ill-conceived comparison, just like your first. I sense a pattern, here.
You said that instead of calling you a fool, when you were acting like a fool, I should be nice. Avoiding the "fool" remark is an exercise of insincerity, which is why your comparison is poor.
>pretty much you're a fool because I said so
You're a fool because you said being valuing rhetorical precision is an indication of pseudo-intellectualism and insecurity.
>>65489275
>No you just use faux vocabulary (like we use memes) to communicate empty points.
This isn't a matter of subjectivity. This can be debated, despite your attempts to convene the argument elsewhere through backpedaling and other fallacious tactics.
>>65488276
Oh look, a cuck>>65488252
>>65489286
>You're a fool because you said being valuing rhetorical precision is an indication of pseudo-intellectualism and insecurity.
1. a person exhibiting intellectual pretensions that have no basis in sound scholarship.
2. a person who pretends an interest in intellectual matters for reasons of status.
adjective
3. of, relating to, or characterized by fraudulent intellectuality; unscholarly:
>>65489402
I'm confused.
What was the intent of this post?
Do you think I'd engage in a discourse founded in a word whose meaning I didn't even understand?
Further, did you think I'd be offended by a word I didn't even understand?
>>65489489
That you are insecure pseudo-intellectual chasing faux social status in 4cuck vietnamese anime forum. Also that you reread your posts 10 times and probably cry if nobody responds to them.
please stop fighting and post grimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9YoYCKNoE
>>65489489
show me fucking SUBSTANCE instead of empty formalism.
Also now every "debate" with you goes:
A: i like ice cream
B: It is frozen yogurt
>>65489659
thats called arguing semantics
>>65489583
>insecure
I suppose I can't deny such a thing after posting >>65488987.
>pseudo-intellectual
That post does nothing to argue that including appending a period to the end of a post is an indictment of pseudo-intellectualism.
>chasing faux social status
Such a position cannot exist in tandem with the others. If my posts aim to acquire social status, then they and all associate actions, such as my appending of the period, exist solely to further such a facade.
>you reread your posts 10 times
Not ten times, no.
>cry if nobody reads them
I haven't cried in a very long time.
>>65489659
>show me fucking SUBSTANCE instead of empty formalism
With pertinence to what, exactly?
>>65489752
>With pertinence to what, exactly?
just try your very best to look holistically into this debate and tell what comes from your mind and heart.
jeezus, srlsy you got rekt by underage grimesfag memer.
lol what's happenin in this autistic thread
>>65489896
I look and see a dispute that culminated in a response (>>65489286) the components of which you've yet to address, a suggestion that you've no means to address them and that I won.
>>65465516
film student here
Lynch > Jarmusch
>>65490014
>that you've no means to address
yes i already spend three hours meddling with your nonsenses.
> I won.
no, you just got memed
ad infinitum and beyond
you also didn't addressed my key point.
>just try your very best to look holistically into this debate and tell what comes from your mind and heart.
>>65465325
cute hamster
>>65490148
The only component of that post that you "addressed" was its final one, which you did with a fucking dictionary definition that served purposes expressed here: >>65489583, and I swiftly addressed.
>you also didn't address my key point
I addressed it in that very post. What came to mind was the fact that you never addressed the components of the post wherein our discourse culminated.
I'm getting quite bored of you.
To sum up
key points discussed in this thread
tripfag ability to learn
>which was to learn why people like Grimes.
tripfag ability to defend and insult
> and defend myself while calling you an idiot.
tripfag ability to respond
>which was to respond to you are argue the merits of niceness for its own sake vs the merits of sincerity.
nice debate i rate it 5/5 would debate again
>>65490280
>this debate is over because I say so
Very cute.
>>65490307
Please just tell me - are you mentally insane or just pretending? Please
>>65468056
What the fuck no please don't ever let this happen
>>65490376
I don't know. I've never sought diagnosis or external help.
What afflictions pang me I adapt, evolve, and learn to coexist with.
>>65490587
Can you at least summarize what i lost on? I really didn't payed attention, and i need to know what how should i change my world-view based on this fruitful discussion :^)
So grimes is shit now, i dunno really desu senpai?
>>65490376
he has said he has assburgers
>>65490587
Yes, I am a fox. So? I dont see any problem. I embraced my animal soul long ago and I am happy together with my boyfriend (who is a cute b/w wolf!). We have a fucking lot of friends in and outside of the fandom and I am pretty slim and good looking.
But thanks anyway asshole. Go and watch your stupid anime shit while I have SEX with my boyfriend.
>>65490735
r u sure. he didn't corrected typos in his posts?
debase?
what the hell is that?
>>65490789
what? most of your post didn't make sense 2 me. he said it in a sharethread a while ago
>>65465325
>200+ replies
good grimes thread?
worth reading or not?
>>65490844
his entry arguments were so shit that there was nothing to do but meming. Why would I want to debate seriously something that has no meaning to me?
I just posted reference to "be nice to grimes " meme and he unleashed chain reaction of retarded discussions.
>>65486653
Why do people like Grimes? It's easy: she's a pixie that makes magical music (including production). What's not to like about it?
If her music would be weak, NOBODY would care about her.
>>65490996
if you want to suicide by brain atrophy.
yes
>>65489896
what's the point in arguing semantics and basically nothing with this meme
>>65491054
why are her knuckles and fingers half the time caked in grime?
>>65486726
She's so awkward it's endearing.
>>65488718
You could skip her threads, you know?
I am just angry that Claire porn was deleted faster than her tweets.
>>65491265
claire is NOT for sexual
>>65491357
>>65485570
pretty nice tis for malnourished weaboo though
>>65491105
They're tattoos you silly wally.
>>65491459
while her body is aesthetically attractive, it's creepy for you to sexualize her and turn her into an object for your fantasies.
she's a real ape out there in the world and it's disrespectful for you to diminish her into an object of pleasure.
>>65491483
look between her index and middle finger. her hand is extremely fucking dirty.
>>65485570
>>65486222
it's not her
>>65491620
I don't care if claire can't decide for her self.
One day she says:
omg i just real human bean and basically bag of meat with my flaws and humanly needs. be a body lalala
Next day she says:
I am purified art soul dissociating from all earthly things
>>65491688
>light
Her hands are ok
>>65491757
visions was literally catharsis, she was working through the absolutely awful terrible period she went through in college. that feeling so alienated and inhuman through those years to be brought down to crushing reality when whatever boy she was dating would dump being such a common occurrence she felt the need to write a song about it.
you can't actually think that album is how she identifies herself.
>>65491851
what is butterfly on AA then?
>>65488222
I WORSHIP HER
>>65491915
her being upset at the indie music scene for throwing a fit because she wanted to make more than just dark goth ambient music.
that she wasn't in a bad place and wanted to write happier music and did so with one of her closest friends and the armies of nu-males who serve as the gatekeepers for indie music threw a temper tantrum about it.
that she now has an audience and doesn't give a single fuck about what these pieces of shit think, she's going to make what she feels like making.
>>65491851
also this overdramatization starts to become annoying as hell.
Like many posters on 4cuck didn't had shit lives.
>>65492041
how many posters got hooked on hard drugs, got raped by a hobo, bounced around relationships with abusers and cheaters, watched two friends OD and had a mentor shoot themselves in the span of 2 years?
>>65491989
>Marshall amp
>PS4
>Wii U
Hi james
>>65492071
I never had a single friend, and spend time in jail so I was expelled for that in last year just before finishing my thesis.
>>65492125
expelled from university
>>65492125
wow dude you should kys, you've pretty much ruined your life at this point.
>grimes face when reading this whole thread
You know something? Art Angels has a lot of staying power. I still enjoy listening to this fucking great album.
>>65492488
She's uber cute.
>>65465476
lol. anyway the new album has several songs that are better than anything on visions.
>>65492146
>kys
I was so overstressed over all that thing that they put me into ward so i don't do it, even though by law I could have walked free until court decision.
Not gonna lie I had a lil' giggle reading your post!
>>65492526
Don't call her cute! She is a powerful woman and successful producer.
Post similar artists to Grimes.
>>65492639
none
>>65492639
Death Grips
>>65492601
Yes, but also cute. A cute powerful woman and successful producer.
>>65492639
there are none, and posting them will only induce butthurt like it was proven over and over again
>>65492639
Kurt Cobain
>>65492704
it's not true
I want to respectfully inform Grimes that I think she is attractive and that she makes good music and that I vibe with her, without offending her!
>>65492720
For a long time I had this theory: the impossibility of a female Kurt Cobain. What he represents, leaning against the system and yet supported by consumers, there was no woman in the world that could command the masses so utterly. The music industry wouldn't let her. This thing I've been stewing about since I saw Grimes play to 20 people in 2011, and started reading her Tumblr, and then really starting feeling when "Oblivion" came out, is that Claire is the closest thing we have to a female Kurt Cobain, smart enough to understand the system but righteous enough to wall-jump away from it. But also, interestingly, what an inversion her approach is to Kurt's. His pose was anti-establishment, her pose is post-structural. He was rigorous, she is always looking outward, game for genre-experimentation and hilarity. I feel like even if I don't like her music, and I do so far, I will always feel like she's several steps ahead of me, several books ahead of me, and that makes me feel really fucking good. Anyone who gives her grief about anything can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.
my fatasy would be making cooing sounds at her while changing her soiled diapers
>>65492769
I have no complains about substance of this message, but whatever wrote this is either 20 years old or just an idiot.
>>65492730
I don't think she would be offended by that.
>>65492917
she hates her fans regardless
Slowly but surely Grimes is becoming one of the most important artists of this decade.
>>65492879
Actually this was written by Owen Pallet.
http://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/2014_artist_survey_owen_pallett/
>>65492917
I dunno I don't think she would appreciate me shoehorning in that I think she's attractive. Everything else she would probably not mind.
>>65492961
Untrue. She loves her fans.
>cute
>grimes
pick one
>>65473908
so so so wrong. i hate pc bullshit as much as anybody but it really must be frustrating to be a pretty woman musician, because people are really as stupid as this fuckboi.
i know we aren't gonna make any headway here, but look man, the world is full of cute girls making art. plenty of guys fetishize these people and want to fuck them. why did grimes blow up while the rest of them didn't? just by chance?
>>65492961
Grimes appreciates her fans, but hates the annoying ones.
She knows that without her good fans she wouldn't have a career and she would be back to shitty jobs and shitty life in general.
>>65493053
It can't be only chance. Her music moved a lot of people. This all that matters. Be original and make great music and success could be achieved.
>>65493053
>but it really must be frustrating to be a pretty woman musician
this. it also seems a lot more stressful because hardly anybody ever believes you when you talk about the shit that bugs you.
GRIMES IS NOT FOR SEXUAL
>>65486050
actually tripfags are the most insufferable posters on this board
>>65493053
The other cute girls are usually just sheltered princesses like most of 4cuck audience by the way.
There is nothing like true art, true science or whatever so there is no reason to pretend to be better than anyone else just because you are spoiled and do things that 99% has neither value nor influence to the rest of the world.
Art is same formulaic and tedious process like anything else.
>>65493163
Yes. Many just underestimate Grimes' art and believe that she gained success based on her look. Her look played an important role, but it was mostly her art that made her pretty famous.
300 posts are close. share your rarest grimes
>>65493275
Indeed. She's said in the past that at the end of the day she doesn't put that much thought into her appearance, but she does know how you present yourself is one of the most important things that influence how people will perceive your art.
I couldn't imagine how it feels to put so much effort and care and love into your music for people to just trample over it and just post about how they want to have sex with you.
>>65493208
what the fuck are you trying to say?
im guessing you are trying to pull an 'everything is just subjective' and say that no art can really be better than other art. but that is wrong. eyes wide shut is better than joe dirt. if you deny this you must be missing out on a basic part of human life, which is normative evaluation. it is pretty stupid to be a normative nihilist just because you want to cling to some silly post post post, everything is nothing ideology. just accept what your gut tells you: some actions are wrong, some art is good, life has meaning. the reasons in favor outweigh the reasons against
and quit reading whatever garbage you have been reading. trust me we've all been there
>>65493379
I think that's one of the reasons that she made her look intentionally unpleasant earlier in her career. She just wanted to be taken seriously as an artist, not to be lumped with some pop princesses. You have to admire her dedication to her music and drawings and her desire to improve her skills.
>>65493379
boo fucking hoo
only women have to btch about things like this
you dont see justin beiber, jim morrison or any other male sex symbols bitching
Ive actually never heard of this cunt and I'm glad
>>65493462
You're a stupid hoe. Most male artists don't receive the torrent of abuse that female artists receive. Now go back to your hole.
>>65493462
name one good male artist whose work is dismissed because 'people only like him because he's cute.' people certainly do not say this about jim morrison. at most people will say they get by on charisma rather than talent.
prove me wrong
>>65493462
It's almost like society treats women and men differently.
Who would've thought an artist who doesn't want to be a sex symbol, who has never made it her goal to be attractive doesn't like being reduced to a two dimensional being who exists for the sole purpose of people getting themselves off instead of actually paying attention to what the artist cares about.
You don't see Katy Perry or Lady Gaga or Dolly Parton bitching about being sexualized.
>>65493509
Wow she sure looks old for a -1 year old in this picture.
>>65493439
I don't think that grimes is just a cute girl doing art.
Why she never released Saturn Princess? This song is one of her best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ec6dzraS4o
>>65493524
>>65493547
disgusting
t. grimes feet slave
>>65493564
She's an intelligent artist, growing in every way she can.
>>65493564
ah. well then you misunderstood my post. my point was that it is wrong to think that grimes is only sucessful because she's a cute girl making art. my argument is that there are tons of cute girls making art, but few are successful. so it must take something more, unless grimes succeeded by chance
>>65493627
so what if i fetishize intelligence and tenacity ?
I am wrong being what I am?
>>65493627
There's no room for chance in this overcrowded music industry. Right now there are millions of artists making music. Only few have any success.
>Actual civil discussion going on about the pitfalls of the way the industry treats women
>Discussing the ways it must be frustrating to experience the invisible misogyny in the business
>On 4chan's fucking music board
>mfw 4chan is literally capable of being more mature and compassionate than the mainstream music industry
>literally more civil than mainstream media who can't even discuss the issues without getting their numale tighty whities in a bunch
>>65493669
are you trolling me? try reading carefully because your responses have been complete non sequitur's
>>65493669
lemme give you a life lesson
there's nothing wrong with it. just keep it to yourself. excuse it as "I have high standards for women" and don't bring it up otherwise.
it'll get you far.
>>65493588
I wish I could be her foot slave
>>65493719
Newfag
>>65493719
yes all you need to do is to gas tripfags and attention whores.
that why attention whoring is banable offense on most serious of all imageboards that is kc :^)
>>65493822
you couldn't have these discussions in the old days either
you could never have had a serious discussion on politics, not only was this place apolitical 99% of the time, but whenever it was political it was usually people talking about how gdubs did 9/11 and other edgy shit.
It's pretty fascinating a woman that makes all her music by herself and produces it, makes artwork and direct videos. There were some great female producers before (e.g. Ellen Allien and Miss Kittin), but none of them with the skill and charisma of Grimes.
>>65493719
honestly i have spent way too much time lately defending grimes on this stupid board. i just feel like somebody needs to do it who isn't just a lovelorn fanboy. because all these stunted adolescent edgemasters resent grimes mostly because of the fanboys, yet the only people who argue with the edgemasters are the fanboys, and so the edgemasters just see their stupid edgemastery confirmed over and over by the pathetic whiteknighting of the fanboys, and so everybody comes out the other side of these discussions thinking exactly what they thought before.
>>65493890
>charisma
nigga she doesn't have charisma
if she was a character in fallout her stats would look like:
S - 2
P - 7
E - 2
C - 1
I - 8
A - 10
L - 10
She was born smart and with taste. That will take you very far in this world if you can catch a break.
>>65466600
I love grimes but art angels was bad
>>65493934
why fight it at all? does /mu/ own grimes?
It is biggest grimes thread in a long while and it only has 70 posters. I thing grimes has like 600k followers on instagram. /Mu/ is completely irrelevant fanbase.
tread will soon be dead rips
>>65493945
her charisma boosts to 10 when she is on tumblr tho
>>65493875
Yes you could. You just have to force it sometimes and call people on their bullshit.
But if nobody does it, it's just that, mostly bullshit.
Did you hear her stunning Ave Maria live cover? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLvUejoRb4
>>65494073
Why does she always wear adidas? Is she a fucking gopnik?
>>65493934
I must admit that you are doing great job. I was actively doing similar thing last year.
>>65494087
No, she takes MDMA and Acid for that sweet Charisma +8 buff.
>>65494045
dude I don't know. for some reason this particular form of frustrated little boy misogyny bothers me more than all the rest of the frustrated little boy misogyny on 4chan
>>65493945
Nigga, you're underestimating her charisma.
>>65494165
No, she's not russian
>>65493956
Translated: I didn't like it.
>>65493945
how can you have taste and make the music she does and not be charismatic?
>>65494045
>/mu/ is a completely irrelevant fanbase
Eh I agree, but to an extent. Like it or not, in this age of internet culture 4chan serves as a source for a lot of culture and opinions on culture.
For someone who is essentially an internet artist and not really known outside of that circle, even though she has a dedicate following over over half a million people on major social media websites, a lot of what gets posted here trickles down stream. There's a really evident snowball effect with the way shit is perceived on here and how that re-enters the internet at large.
The only other comparable website would be Something Awful, but it's grown more irrelevant over the years while 4chan continues being a creator of sorts of this kind of shit in the blindspot that it exists in.
>>65494121
i cry evertime
>>65494301
because she's awkward as shit. it's endearing when watching her on a camera but it's not really when you see it in person.
>>65494214
She clearly buffed her charisma with those designer clothes and drugs she's on.
>>65494320
It's genuinely moving. I love how it started a cappella and became a full song after a while. I'm biased but it's my fave version of Ave Maria.
>>65494308
Are you surely not mistaking Dunning–Kruger effect?
>>65494384
Yes. It's an observable pattern, one that I've spent time studying.
While not nessecarily recognized by the mainstream, this site essentially feeds larger, less obscure websites like tumblr and reddit which aggregates into a derived culture and second-hand opinions. Those websites are then used as aggregators for even more mainstream shit, passing the opinions and culture even further down (indie blogs, news sites, youtube, etc.)
4chan isn't the only website that serves the purpose at the top of the foodchain, but it is one of the more popular ones. It's essentially the bleeding edge of internet culture, outside of even smaller more hardcore communities like IRCs and BBSes.
look at how quickly NTR became a fucking meme.
>>65494349
thats true i guess my weeb love for her does not translate to charisma
>>65494468
I would call it delusions
>>65494308
SA died when they made you have to pay fucking money.
>>65494384
To clarify that some more, it's not really a linear stream. The process is much more complex than that and not all culture made in a bleeding edge community is passed on.
The downstream aggregators will also create culture themselves and pass culture around which occasionally travels upstream (ie the Dat Boi meme).
That being said, if something gets posted enough at a bleeding edge culture hub enough, it will at some point enter the mainstream:
See: Pepe, rage comics, image macros, cuck, trump, car seat headrest, minecraft, etc.
>>65494586
One thing I'm really surprised about is how little BANE seeped through the cracks. Sure there was that brazzers thing, but I never see it posted outside of here.
>>65494586
>Pepe, rage comics, image macros, cuck, trump, minecraft, etc.
All these where shared by thousands of posters on multiple imageboards. only ~100 people care about grimes here and grimes will never be anything close to relevant to imageboards masses.
tree fiddy
>>65494727
There are more than 100 people here that care about Grimes. They're not all online at the same time. Some of them don't even post in her threads because of her haters.
>>65494699
It took pepe a while to leave this place too, even though it was posted to death in 2008-2012.
It, like Wew Lad, both occasionally pop up on Reddit. The behavior of internet culture is still something I study and don't fully understand, but I'd say give it a few more years. Sometimes abstract memes have their day.
>>65494727
You are a fool if you think other imageboards are even close to being as relevant as 4chan is.
2ch and 2channel in Japan, yes. But those are the exceptions and they aren't widely known outside and exist in the same space that SA does, in that they feed themselves their own memes and through re-circulation evolve into something else.
Also most people who like grimes don't come into these threads because they are filled with creeps posting weird sexual shit and not everybody feels like dealing with reading that shit every day.
>>65494806
this thread is almost two days old and has 76 unique posters
>>65494835
4cuck really now just repost memes from ylilauta, sosach, kc, 8cuck, circleboard now
rip another good grimes thread
>>65495135
made like 100+ reply like last time
