Did they really produce so many great artists or was it just marketing hype?
both
>when brits try to use slang like "f am" and rap like real blacks
STOP
Dunno, I can't even really think of any artists from 1606 era Britain. McIver the Bard?
>>65195979
They really did produce great artists.
Because the best artists historically come from working class backgrounds that have faced adversary and hardship, which is what the British rock stars faced growing up in post-war England.
The best American musicians also mostly came from poor working class cities like Detroit, Cleveland, Boston, poor neighbourhoods of Los Angeles or Brooklyn.
This is why Canada can't produce any good timeless rock bands, only pop stars or one hit wonders. Because Canadian cities don't have the hardship or political struggles that were in Britain or America.
>>65196269
hey no true-posting allowed in this thread
>>65196269
This. And I would like to add that the so call counter-culture in America, hippies and whatnot never faced any hardship and their music is shitttttttttttttttttttttttt
>>65196269
if this were true we would have a shitload of great music from all over europe of that time. the real reason is artistic legacy, since england has a massive creative tradition that makes the arts much more common and appreciated than most places.
>>65196437
Yes, but England benefitted from the fact they speak English, so their bands could become popular in America.
Their were lots of great musicians from the rest of Europe, but the language barrier made it impossible for them to be famous in the Anglo-world.
>>65195979
Britain had a consumer culture similar to that of the US.
Britain had culturally sustainable music criticism long before their emergence as the center of world music.
On average in the mid-20th century British people had more musical training than the average American (true for most of western Europe but Britain was the only competing consumer culture for some time).
Britain also had a more stable existence after ww2 than France or Spain or Germany or Austria or really most of Europe did. Although this is essentially a GDP per capita argument (countries with the luxury to produce, will).
>>65196269
kinda this
>>65196469
>Their were lots of great musicians from the rest of Europe
bullshit. the rest of europe goes like this:
nordics - metal, pop
germans - krautrock, metal, pop
italy - some prog, pop
the fucking rest - lowest form of pop, eurovision material, shitty electronic music
look up every list of "greatest guitarists" or "greatest drummer" or "greatest bassists". they are literally entirely anglophone musicians, even though you don't need to speak english to play those instruments.
the reason for this is simple: modern pop, rock, metal, jazz, and blues all originated and perfected in USA/UK. the rest just adopted it.
>>65196684
balts and slavs have great jazz and classical music mate
how much great (relatively) modern jazz and classical music does the uk have?
>>65196684
Austria, Germany - Classical
France - Invented fucking electronic music
Germany - Ruled techno for the last decade
Finland, Germany - Glitch and ambient techno
Sweden - Hampus fucking Gronvall
>>65196740
finland doesn't have much glitch going in it outside of the usual vladislav delay and pan sonic
>>65196759
>>65196740
though they do have a rather strong and underrated IDM scene thanks to their demoscene artists
>>65196684
You think the Beatles could have been famous in America or Britain if they were Germans? Singing lyrics in German?
Bull fucking shit. No Anglos would be singing German songs after they defeated them in a war 20 years earlier.
If John and Paul were French, nobody in America would have ever heard of them.
All famous rock bands are half-talent, half-luck, in the sense that they were in the right place and the right historical time.
>>65195979
>>65196437
yeah but they chucked their tradition out during the 20th century and pretended they were all american bluesman
some did it really fucking well ala the rolling stones
>>65196720
dont pretend this thread is about classical music. next you will bring up bedouin folk. this thread is about conventional popular music
>>65196740
no one cares about glitch and ambient techno
>>65196923
>what is ABBA
if the beatles were german they could sing in english just like ABBA did.
>No Anglos would be singing German songs after they defeated them in a war 20 years earlier
you fucking newfag the beatles first big destination was hamburg 1964. germans LOVED beatles.
>>65198342
Just because you're a closed minded pleb, doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>65195979
>Did they really produce so many great artists
literally yes
>Oasis
>The Rolling Stones
>Pink Floyd
>The Beatles
>Led Zeppelin
>David Bowie
>The Who
>The Smiths
>The Stone Roses
>Black Sabbath
>Dire Straits
>Cream
>The Police
>King Crimson
>The Jam
>Joy Division
>Queen
>Fleetwood Mac (original)
>New Order
>Primal Scream
>The Sex Pistols
>Deep Purple
>The Kinks
>The La's
>Yes
>Blur
>Judas Priest
>Mogwai
>The Clash
>Spiritualized
>UFO
>Radiohead
>Iron Maiden
>Depeche Mode
>Porcupine Tree
>The Verve
>Coldplay
>Brian Eno
>Boards of Canada
>Gerry Rafferty
>Free
>John Mayall
>T.Rex
>Jethro Tull
>Alan Parsons Project
>>65198342
please stop
>>65196269
What is rush
Canada makes alot of good music
>>65198484
>twing twang
https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj.aspx?country=3&1000=1
>>65198484
literally who: the list
>>65199110
>computer programmers
>music
wewlad
If UK was so great, why don't they ever win Eurovision or even do well?
>inb4 nobody cares about Eurovision
>>65196740
Norway - Tropical house and Nordic house
>>65199124
>he doesn't know rolling stones
Fuck outta here 15 year old.
>>65199201
>>65199404
>born in le wrong generation amirite
a m8, England music is great innit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IETC7VOa0w
>>65196684
so basically you don't know what you're talking about
>>65196269
Canadian hardship is just different, and regional. Vancouver is a lot like west coast American cities / Seattle North.
Remember that Good Speed, DOA, Skinny Puppy, Teenage Head, Death From Above 1979, Crystal Castles, and many more were all Canadian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_USHKQ4Ntc8
>>65195979
>tfw you realize if it weren't for the UK black metal never would have existed
Weird
>>65202654
>ukraine
>europe
>>65202370
>tfw literally who gives a shit
>>65196469
>Yes, but England benefitted from the fact they speak English, so their bands could become popular in America
This
>>65196792
>Finns like autistic music
true
>>65196923
>No Anglos would be singing German songs after they defeated them in a war 20 years earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSrGWp-ZFE&list=PL1GhhbgBUMHSyEJ7UmywrITE-uMnSlMLg&index=1&pxtry=1
>>65198342
>1964
>>65196184
solid history meme friend, 9.6/10
>>65196437
>massive creative tradition
England has a great literary, theatrical and scientific tradition. But literally not one good visual or musical artist came from England until the 20th century.
>>65202890
>But literally not one good visual or musical artist came from England until the 20th century
Think again please
>>65202890
u fkn wot m8
also, architecture is a visual art. in fact it's the king of the arts
>>65196087
F am has only recently become popular in the US though hasn't it? Like in the past 2-3 years?
The word's been used for fucking years in the UK.
