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Opium edition.
Post about Berlioz and other composers who did drugs.
>inb4 how do I into classical?
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Bump
This guy was a morphine addict I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM8JGxFRBY0
Josquin, Gombert or Palestrina
>>64228746
mussorgsky was an alcoholic.
it count?
>>64229187
source?
http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music/classical-music-drugs/
>Bernstein was in such a sorry physical state towards the end of his life that he came to depend on massive amounts of painkillers just to get through concerts. One show in Boston had to include a five-minute pause while he suffered a massive coughing fit during the third movement of Beethoven's Symphony No. 7.
>making custom artwork for the broadcast recordings I have
this is tough when you have barely any aesthetic sense
>>64229657
Just copy their usual layout, and replace the renaissance painting with cute animu girls tbhfam.
>>64229762
i think it just feels weird without all the crappy record labels plastered all over the album artwork.
>>64229821
You can always just put some random label on it.
>>64229821
That looks fine.
>>64229867
maybe i'll just it like Testament does and put the orchestra label somewhere or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h84iZjKeq9w
Who is good in Bruckner
Stereo only please
>>64230577
schuricht may be my favorite overall, but Horenstein left some pretty great live stereo Bruckner, especially that 8th and 5th on BBC Legends.
pre-Munich Celibidache is also quite good with very idiosyncratic but always interesting balancing and dynamic decisions (and he actually plays the scherzos faster than most).
then there's Rögner, Böhm, Kubelik, Matačić (droll Czech winds), and maybe some Jochum too. probably some others i'm forgetting.
>>64228746
Did he do anything other than Symphonie Fantastique that is worth a shit?
>>64230577
What >>64230717 said.
Also Sawallisch and von Dohnányi. I've heard good things about Blomstedt's Bruckner too.
>>64230828
oh yeah, I've only heard Blomstedt's 7th and that was years ago but I remember it being pretty good.
>>64230717
>>64230828
Thanks mateys. I already have the Jochum but will give the rest a shot.
Are there any good sites for discovering contemporary classical/art music? As in after 1899?
>>64230782
romeo and juliet is pretty tight
>>64229657
I do that, but I like them minimalistic.
>>64234005
see, that's pretty alright. i can actually see that being a real album cover.
>>64231323
please respond
I don't know who you are, but thank you for sharing so many beautiful music. In flac? damn...i love you.
finally no more listening to some of this beautiful works on fucking youtube.
>>64235133
theres a little thing called rutracker
>>64235186
i used that to download soviet cinema. didn't know they had more stuff in there.
Why was Berlioz such a fucking visionary
What are the best performances of Symphonie fantastique?
This was pretty interesting. Does anyone know a total list of all the arrangments that the Society for Private Musical Performances made? After hearing Schoenberg's arrangement for Das Lied and also pic related it makes me curious as to what other gems might have been arranged.
>>64236186
i haven't heard a lot, but from the ones i have heard i gravitated towards Monteux, Paray, Leibowitz, and Stokowski (live).
>>64236543
i believe there were a few Strauss arrangements made as well but i dont know of any all encompassing list. a lot of them probably have never been recorded
>>64235365
Putin's gonna nail you for that...
Why don't we listen to any Russkies from before the Romantic era?
>>64237484
Because there isn't very much of it, it was mostly foreign imports before the romantic era, rather like Britain during Victorian period.
Bortnyansky is cool though he has a whole load of sacred concerti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPYkSzxYhY
>>64230782
The requiem
>>/g/54152683
Somebody should make a backup of op links
Can someone explain what sonata form is? Wikipedia is a mess.
>>64238784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUWPJp5vDMA
anyone else here unironically only listen to classical on their local classical radio station?
comfy as fuck
Is Havergal Brian the most underrated composer ever?
RATE BRUCKNERS SYMPHONIES
>>64237484
Because Glinka literally invented russian classical music with his opera A life for the Tsar. Same for Puschkin in literature.
Can anyone recomend good versions of the sacre du printemps. Also looking for Stravinsky stuff in general to get into it, String quartetts prefered.
>>64239337
1. 4th
2. 9th
3. 6th
4. 1st
5. 7th
>>64236186
>>64236044
Berlioz and especially Symphonie fantastique are just way too loud and cluttered in my opinion. Same for Mahler desu and I say that as a big fan of Wagner and Bruckner.
>>64239711
forgot pic related
>>64239557
Can't go wrong with Boulez for Stravinsky.
>>64239780
>pic
Top cake
>>64239337
5th, 8th, 9th, 4th, 7th, 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st
>>64239337
8>7>5>9>4>6>1>2>3
>>64239557
Stravinsky conducts with Columbia Symphony
>>64239337
8 > 9 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 1
>tfw no classical composer's death to get sad about because everyone's already dead
>>64240210
boulez death made some impact.
>>64240015
3rd last? holy shit! listen to tennstedt live recordings (1976 or 1978 not sure) might change your mind.
>>64240210
>implying
>>64240234
Who of importance is left besides Glass, Reich, and Adams?
>>64240308
Murail, Wishart, Lachenmann, Haas, Ferneyhough, Andriessen, Penderecki, Wuorinen, Lockwood.
>>64240277
Could be, I always wondered why I didn't like it considering that I really like early Wagner. Though my recording is shite, so that could very well be the case. Thanks for the rec.
>>64240210
I guess John Williams will make some impact.
>>64238784
Thanks, that helped me see how the different forms intersect and develop, but what is the significance? Why was it so widely used?
>>64240649
Meant for
>>64238877
>>64240308
Well Abbado's or Harnoncourt's deaths were in the news for days. I'm also sure, that Barenboim's or Pärt's deaths will be.
>>64240879
Ahhh, I have to admit I'm going to be pretty sad when Barenboim dies. I don't like him as a performer at all, but he's a real cool guy. I enjoy watching his interviews and reading his writings.
How should I listen to fugues? Should I concentrate on individual melodies or just let everything blur together?
Are Abbado's directing Mahler symphonies the best interpretation?
>>64241502
no
Didn't know he died, his 9th is reasonable
>>64241502
they are perfectly fine but not great
>>64241502
>>64241696
no
Abbado was a flucke.
>>64241502
No. Fuck off poly.
>>64241502
Solti has a fantastic Mahler 2 I'd say.
>>64241696
>>64241735
>>64241801
>>64241900
>>64241945
So who would you say which are the best interpretations? I only have listen to Mahler symphonies directed by Abbado and Bernstein. I'm very interested in buying a box set with all his 9 symphonies. Is there one you recommend or am i better served by buying each symphony on it's own?
>>64242154
for complete cycles: kubelik or bertini
>>64228746
Why don't I see you piece of shits talking about Brazilians classical music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIK3CTYiBwQ
>>64241945
solti is the biggest hack of them all. truly the worst of all the major conductors. sloppy as fuck.
don't.
>>64242154
You'd be better off getting individual performances.
I'm no expert but if you buy anything get Mengelberg's 4th, it is easily the best recording of the symphony.
>>64242326
best brazilian classical:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzwLZf3MyRo
>>64242326
Heitors gonna Heit
>>64239132
That's Pérotin desu senpai
>>64239337
>RATE BRUCKNERS SYMPHONIES
seeing everybody is ranking instead of rating:
7 > 8 > 9 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 1
>>64242154
>implying someone going mad
the Mahler symphonie n2 by Gilbert Kaplan
>>64242626
lol.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/01/teen_s_impromptu_piano_performance_at_mich_mall_goes_viral.html
I have never been more pissed.
>>64242815
>this is what people consider good improv these days
>>64242298
>kubelik
yes, but only if you grab the Audite recordings
the DG ones are typical crap DG sound and the strings and brass especially have this horrible gleam to them.
the Audite ones generally sound pretty good, and stuff like the 6th and 9th have a deliciously wide dynamic range.
>>64242154
there are a lot of convincing Mahlerians. other than Kubelik look towards Horenstein, Rosbaud, Walter (earlier the better), Kegel, Kondrashin, Maderna, Schuricht, Klemperer (earlier the better), Adler, Martinon, Stokowski, Scherchen, Mengelberg, Steinberg, van Beinum, Mitroupoulos, Tennstedt (heart-on-sleeve. might not be for all), Neumann, Boulez (only look for the live ones), etc.
there are other conductors worth mentioning as well, but you get the point.
>>64242360
not only is it the best recording of that symphony, but in my opinion it is probably one of the best recordings of anything ever.
though i do like other 4ths. Rosbaud and Horenstein especially
>>64243044
>the DG ones are typical crap DG sound and the strings and brass especially have this horrible gleam to them.
i have the first cd editions and they definitely sound better than the later remasters. the DG kubelik cycle is truly one of the greats.
>>64243102
i've only heard the latter remasters myself. i love the interpretations on that DG cycle but have always been frustrated with the sound.
>>64238475
>>64238529
Kim hasn't worked at Mega in a long time so take this stuff with a grain of salt.
why is mahler so ridiculously popular amont milennials? hopefully the hype will blow over some day and mahler will again be a "conductor who also composes".
>>64243826
Go to bed Richard.
>>64240422
Murail and Andriessen will hit me hard
>>64243826
You should go back to shitposting about Mahler with more broken english and ellipses. It was funnier that way.
>>64243874
it's way past bed time beethoven teenager.
>>64243917
believe it or not but there are more people who think that mahler composed some of the most tasteless, overblown, self-indulgent shit ever. other people than whoever you are referring to.
>>64243967
There is only one autist who gets absolutely butt blasted whenever Mahler is even remotetly talked about in this general, and you happen to type exactly like him. We're a very small community here which makes it even easier to sniff out the samefag.
>>64243826
He's popular with beginner classical fans. He's seen as the culmination of romantic classical and most people think classical ended after him. Also, symphonies are seen as the apex of classical and his are long so they must be the best. Much as I like Mahler he is someone you have to grow out of to grow in to classical.
>>64243826
>why is mahler so ridiculously popular amont milennials?
in terms of numbers he was probably way More popular with previous generations than milennials, what are you smoking? Most people of this generation haven't even heard a Beethoven symphony all the way through.
>>64244019
>He's popular with beginner classical fans.
only sensible answer. thank you.
>>64244019
>He's popular with beginner classical fans
Well that's not really true. Most of the beginners I've talked to gravitate towards classical-era, early romantic, and baroque. I don't see them discuss late romantic very much.
I didn't appreciate Mahler until long after I started getting into classical. Hated him at first.
>>64244061
>the only things that are sensible are the things which agree with my asinine bias
lel
>>64244115
that makes you the big exception then. happy? mahler is for children just as much progressive rock is for (man)-children. get over it.
>>64243967
>>64244019
Hey, now I get the chance to post this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_nrioWewHc
Barenboim talking about Mahler. From the perspective of someone who had been a classical musician from birth, who hated Mahler at first, and eventually grew to love him as one of his favorite composers.
>>64244162
Those are some very hot opinions, you should get a trip so I can subscribe to you.
>>64243826
He was more popular with the composers of his generation and he had a great influence on the SVS and a lot of other 20th century composers. He is probably as relevant to millenials in regards to composition as Bruckner is. Which is to say, not at all.
>>64244359
>He is probably as relevant to millenials in regards to composition as Bruckner is. Which is to say, not at all.
You say that, but there's always those retarded comments that I see on Bruckner's videos which say something along the lines of, "Whoa this is classical metal!!!" or something similarly stupid.
>>64244437
Little do they know that Bruckner's music is literally just masturbating in musical form. Bruckner is the greastest masturbator of the 19th century.
Can we shitpost about Mozart now
>>64245177
More like Mehzart
>>64245216
Fuck off poly.
How do you guys feel about humming/wheezing at the piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7HsRrk5Jk
>>64245684
It's usually not too invasive, if you can sit through an audience coughing or sneezing those shouldn't be too bad.
Unless it's Pollini tier wheezing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ypICW8LXw
how does /classical/ feel about this?
ignore its origins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerGbTDvOpc
here's a version with the sheets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcebiXV99qg
>>64239115
yyaa
>>64241348
both
>>64240308
Wolfgang Rihm and Anderson.
Also
>Glass
>of importance
Just back from an ok performance of Rach's 2nd concerto (1st movement is tolerable, and I was reminded why the other two are shit) and Dvorak's 7th symphony, which I am more and more convinced is the patrician choice of Dvorak symphony. Main problem was that the timpanist was too timid and didn't give the piece the fire that it needed in the outer movements
>>64245799
considering i have a hatred for weebs, it's sort of impossible for me to ignore its origins
>tfw in this year of 'celebrity' musician deaths, the vast majority of /mu/ has no clue who Boulez or Harnoncourt were
>>64243826
>why is mahler so ridiculously popular
because he's good.
very very good.
Master orchestrator. sublime composer. creative use of form, symbolic use of keys
>>64245254
Not him, but I'm detecting that this meme might be too spicy and you're scared it might catch on. Mehzart it is. It works perfectly.
>>64247359
>being surprised most of /mu/ doesn't care who Boulez and Harnoncourt are
>>64247412
Not surprised, just disappointed
>>64247385
fuck off poly
>symbolic use of keys
top kek
>>64231323
>contemporary
>after 1899
>>64247385
>Mehzart
>catching on
Pick only one.
>>64247485
Mahler does do this. If you look at his symphonies in particular, you will see he attaches symbolism to specific keys. If a symphony starts or ends in a certain key, its for a good reason.
