When did you realize that modern music is inherently inferior and that Classical will always be the pinnacle of music as an art form?
>>64070769
modern music will become classical music eventually
just now when I read this post
Thanks OP!
>>64070769
When I realized every classical music fan is a snobbish virgin playing a saint
>>64070769
There is modern classical.
Time isn't the problem here. Popular music vs art music is the real issue.
Quick! Shoot me with your best waltzes.
Need to feel the pageantry.
Are you talking about modern classical or popular music? Either way you are irrelevant and your opinion doesn't matter
>>64070903
>he isn't a virgin
laughing_nuns.jpg
>>64070769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2hRTLdvdnk
>>64071082
Somebody...
>>64070769
I've always considered classical music to be art and what I listened was not. It's only after actually trying to discover the genre that I've realized its astronomical height above modern music. But there's still art music being made constantly so your term should be consumerized songs.
There isn't classical vs popular music, it's unmarketable vs marketable music
>>64070769
classical fans are universally 16 year old virgin neckbeards or old men with one foot in the grave
there are no exceptions to this rule
>>64071679
But I'm none of those. That's a pretty inconsistent rule.
>>64071679
wrong im a 21 year old virgin (out of choice, im asexual, i get sex requests weekly).
>>64070794
no it literally wont. classical has nothing to do with age. there is modern music that is classical and ancient music thats pop.
So no WALTZES then.
/mu/ classical is to bogus. At least /mu/ funk gave me something, without asking even.
Fever to Tell
>>64071868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJbg9V2KnD8
CAN WE JUST GIVE???????????????????????
>>64071885
nice
>crescendocore
>has no progression
are you fucking kidding me?
Edison killed music
Recording killed music
Technology killed music
>>64070794
you joking? you joking.
>>64070769
Yes and?
Doesn't mean I can't enjoy modern music
>>64072068
i agree it reduced it to a consumer good
>>64072068
Music died with Brahms desu
Classical IS the fucking best possible music no matter what you may like or think or whatever. I know so and I don't always listen to classical
>>64070769
whats the point if nobody """""enjoy"""""" "it"?
true true. classical music is the best. no doubt that because of it's academic nature it attracts a certain class of intelligentsia that is highly desirable to any culture
>>64072080
The music industry is a relatively new thing when compared to the scale of time that music has been around.
I'm not saying he's right but give it a few hundred years and there might be entire symphonies dedicated playing Beach Boys songs.
>>64072031
Progression?
It's a Waltz. You dance to it.
![9096726[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5dJ61Qu.jpg "9096726[1].jpg")
>>64070794
>>64070903
>>64071679
>>64072177
Ew, a try-hard "intellectual" virgin manchild.
Like most genres there are a few pieces that are exceptional and many that are boring and uninspired.
>>64070769
When did you realize there is Modern Classical Music, too?
When did you realize Modern Classical is better than Pre-1945 Classical?
When did you realize Improvised Jazz/Music rivals with Classical in terms of highest work peaks?
>>64072112
While it's true that the best sound artists are Classical composers, and that most of the best works of music as a whole are Classical, there's nothing inherently better about it.
>>64072068
Technology enhanced music.
>>64070769
I wonder if you morons actually think to yourselves why people hate classical fans.
>>64070794
You personally may like modern music and consider it classic but it's not classical in that it doesn't use the same instruments and structure.
>>64070769
But I just realized that modern classical is much better than all the old legends like Mozart and Beethoven. What now?
>>64070769
17
But now i'm 20 and i think that also some of the modern stuff is good as much as classical music. Even if it's 1 on 1000, and not 1 on 100 as it was in the classical era. I guess this can be explained considering that today is easier for everyone to do music
>>64072268
>a waltz
>implying you can't have progression and dance to it too
OMG holy shit you're dumb and what a shitty piece you had to post
>>64073175
yeah its like one of those 20th century orchestral pieces where they just put in random notes but the only thing saved them was that it's orchestral and it sound epic to plebs that know nothing about music
>>64073175
Then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give me a rebuttal.
Or are you a troll contrarian?
>>64073313
Why be a sour cunt?
A waltz with progression...
When did you realize that you were going to stay a virgin forever?
>>64073340
Is this a music dig?
Because, son. Take your girl to a symphony & show some knowledge & you can "borrow" serious money afterwards.
>>64072101
youre a tasteless nigger t b h
>>64073267
pretty much this. the song sounds like it was made by an autist
>>64073388
not my kinda girl probably. anyway, i didn't mean because you like classical but because of the autistic attitude OPs post is reflecting.
So. No other Waltzes then. Liszt. You hatted on Liszt. It's cool. fuck /mu/
>>64073553
I would turn her out, literally. Like working the streets.
>>64073553
That would be my perfect girl but yes, OP is probably fishing for (you)s.
>>64070769
>Le born in the wrong century
>>64072752
>modern music doesn't use the piano, harpsichord, violin, brass, or woodwinds
I thought people who liked art music were supposed to be smart.
>>64074261
It doesn't use the same structure. Also pop music and modern music aren't synonymous.
>classical is best genre
>2016
>>64074367
Not even all art music uses the same structure. And I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence here. You said modern music doesn't use the same instruments are art music/classical music which is completely false.
>>64070769
Okay, a lot of people don't seem to understand why classical music sounds the way it does vs our modern popular music, its really quite simple
European care mainly about harmony
Asians care mainly about melody
Africans care about rhythm first and foremost
So as American music was basically a mash up of Euro and Afro ideas, it makes sense that its evolution followed the harmonic path for a while but is now evolving on a rhythmic level.
So anyone who hates all modern music and considers it backtracking, you need to listen to some of the insane rhythms around today that Mozart never would have thought of in a million years
>>64075157
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>>64075157
>only mozart made music
WEW LAD
>never would have thought of in a million years
music was going to be 10000times more advanced if not for the poison that is the negro music
>>64071769
>im a 21 year old virgin
>out of choice
>i get sex requests weekly
sure you do
>>64075396
>taking the bait
>>64075157
I love all that sloppy compartmentalization you added in the 2nd paragraph.
It's a nice hooky bait.
>>64075421
>i_was_only_pretending.jpg
>>64075475
not me, but that guy was obviously baiting
lurk more, memes
>>64075475
>classical music is a genre
>>64075491
>taking the bait
this thread is so shit.
Nothing is inherently better than the other in music.
>b-but muh sonata form
>b-b-but muh imperfect authentic cadences
Music is music and serves several functions, and wow would you look at that not all music serves the same function!
You all are fucking gay.
t. 4th year orchestral performance student
>>64075575
Study composition you pleb. Performance is for tools.
>>64075575
>4th year orchestral performance student
That sure is a fancy way to say that you're studying how to bang on a couple of drums.
>>64075472
>sloppy compartmentalization
implying im not correct?
literally go listen to Indian music, or traditional Chinese music or Japanese gamelan, and tell me melody isnt the key component
if you cant tell that classical puts harmony as priority you really must not have a clue...
and african music being about the beat, how the fuck could you not believe that when their music has the most complex polyrhythms known to man
Just because you disagree doesnt mean its bait dingleberry
>>64075625
I'm playing way more jazz these days anyway. My girlfriend goes to the same university and is in the comp program. I'll just mooch off her knowledge and forge my own. 8 semesters of theory and 21st century theory is enough to fuck around with.
>>64075668
>go listen to Indian music, or traditional Chinese music or Japanese gamelan
Why would I listen to inferior music?
There's nothing of worth there
>>64075338
this is bullshit and you know it. The general public hated the fuck out of Schoenberg's school of theory and that was the cutting edge
>>64075693
>traditional asian music is inferior to modern music
wew
>>64075659
It's also an expensive way of saying I spent the last 4 years devoted to my instrument and learning from some of the worlds best on said instrument and playing in gigs that i wouldn't have otherwise been exposed to. So what chump?
>>64075693
really not true dude :/
this only proves my point more, because you as a western listener cant pick out the complexities of an Asian melody and you dont hear any chords or rhythms you consider correct you write it off as shit
>>64075693
You know nothing about rhythm if you don't understand Indian classical. Or west African.
>>64075715
>being proud of wasting your time, money and education for 4 years.
>>64075740
>>64075734
>>64075711
idiot BTFO so fast
>>64075625
Literally music is just a form of expression >but my music is better because of the excellent cadences
Nice subjective attitude you tool
>>64075700
>general public
general public is retarded and you also seems to have no reading comprehension since you think that schoenberg was somehow the end of it all since i already said was going to be as in going to improve with the time and technology
>>64071868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AauGBCVDMn0
>>64075760
>I can't afford a world class education in the arts therefore no one else can
>I can't be proud of the arts therefore no one can
Please do go on.
>>64075774
well to be honest with you anon new complexity is cool minimalism is cool but nobody has really made a more complex and complete system than him
>>64075798
im a music fanatic here but you did waste your time and money bro im sorry, you couldve learned on your own and music is financially in the grave
>>64075792
Thank you.
>>64075837
just listen to the Blue Danube on repeat and be done with it
>>64075837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtQRpmaaiCo
anotha one
>>64075835
It's a waste of time in your own life's context. Not on mine, where I've been playing music since age 2 and got a good 70% of my education paid for through music and music only. Music fanatic doesn't equate to a good musician. Nothing replaces a good teacher either. All tools of the trade tried and tested through out the centuries. George Stones Early 1900s publication stick control says this exact thing on page one.
Not to mention the amount of like minded and talented musicians I get to hang out with and do drugs and play music with on the daily. Much better than sitting in a room isolated listening to all the music in the world.
>>64075806
what is something they did that we couldn't?like i said dont think only in classical.
>>64075917
this is a really good point, sorry anon im just a cynical bastard because music never worked out for me and I had to get a big boy job
>>64075929
wait im confused whos they?
>>64075952
>whos they
I think he means the niggers
>>64075798
>Implying I said any of those things
>>64075917
I'll be sure to visit you at the local food bank in 5 years.
There is no superior music.
There various sects and genres but there is no form "above" or "below" another as that contradicts the fact that art is subjective.
>>64075969
>>64075929
okay well here you go, maybe not the best ever example but i wanted to be quick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrEqNTyMF_A
these rhythms are out of the grasp of europeans alone, we could only grasp sounds we could notate
>>64075884
Chopin. Love the man. Always too depressive.
This is a waltz?
>>64075771
How many good players changed music, are rembebered in history and praised compared to composer´s and even the great players were also composers and are more rembered for their creations than their technique Chopin, Lizst, Rachmaminov, etc. Also creating is much more fulfilling than playing someone else´s music. Music is a form of expression and you´re playing something that´s someone else´s expression lol.
>>64076013
art can be looked at on a subjective and objective level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGva1NVWRXk
This piece is objectively the absolute cutting edge in music, those wave effects are super super difficult to notate nonetheless play.
But, if you try to listen to this piece a lot of people will just be like wow one chord for an hour thats boring as fuck.
The objective merit of art can be set ever if it can be enjoyed or not subjectively on a personal level
>>64076014
yeah nobody was going to experiment with drums... right!
>>64076090
oh also this piece is a musical palindrome, advanced as fuck
>>64076065
Anon, you're not feeling well, that wasn't suppose to sound depressive. Yes, it's a Waltz.
>>64070769
when i was 17
>>64076113
but they didnt...and probably never would have yes. Remember they considered these rhythms savage music just like you are now
>>64076004
That's cute. Remind us what you do?
My gift has taken me to Russia, Japan, Taiwan, China, the U.K., Vietnam, Italy, France, Germany, and Carnegie twice as well as the TMEA convention, also twice and the PAS International Convention, twice. :)
>>64072414
>Modern Classical is better than Pre-1945 Classical
Shit taste.
>>64076144
they didn't because it was too early for them...
>Remember they considered these rhythms savage music just like you are now
of course but then there was going to be some who would did it anyway like all the counter cultures
>>64076090
I've seen this performed in concert. A tremendous piece. I remember a tingling sensation in my feet the ride home.
But objectively the cutting edge in music? In who's opinion? Just because it won the Pulitzer?
There are passages of Xenakis' pieces that are extremely difficult to notate and his hay-day was nearly 30 years ago.
>>64075157
Legit
>>64076156
2nd year Electrical Engineering.
>My gift has taken me to Russia, Japan, Taiwan, China, the U.K., Vietnam, Italy, France, Germany, and Carnegie twice as well as the TMEA convention, also twice and the PAS International Convention, twice. :)
Wow, half of these countries I've visited on my own time. I sure am impressed.
Why do I feel like you
>>64076156
>>64076263
're insecure about the choices you've made considering how far you've gone to defend it on a Mongolian flipbook animation forum?
>>64076189
true but Xenakis has a certian angular feeling to his music thats not nearly as fluid as this piece
>>64076263
did you give sold out electrical engineering concerts and clinics afterwards? because I did lad
>>6407515
Pretty interesting post anon. I enjoyed it.
>>64076340
But I like Dune.
>>64076340
Get laid.
>>64076345
Is that supposed to impress me or something? Because I don't care.
>>64076396
yet somehow you're still replying
neck yourself retard
>>64072095
tip tip
>>64071111
Great post and digits anon.
>>64076414
I just want you to know that I'm glad I'm in living in a society that's starting to punish people for creative arts degrees and not taking more practical useful real world degrees.
You're the last of a dying generation of useless artists. Enjoy :)
>>64076414
Takes less than a couple of seconds to respond and it's amusing to see the nerve I've clearly struck on your insecurities.
>>64076511
>trying this hard
that's why pretty much all of my education was free and I'm being flown around the world to perform. what wonderful punishment.
it's obvious you couldn't hack it in the music world and are extremely salty about it, that's why you lurk here and shitpost to make yourself feel better about it.
>muh 300k/yr starting
>muh im happy crunching numbers all day who wants to play music all day that 'useless'
slave
>>64076554
do you have shit internet? my window refreshes every few seconds, not difficult to click onto the flashing tab moron
>>64071769
sex request from older relatives do not count
>>64076579
when he says "takes less than a couple of seconds to respond", I'm fairly sure he means that he's not using a lot of time to write a reply to you
>>64076607
it took 4 seconds to type this. probably 15 to send now that i've typed this. so?
Progressive Rock is Classical though
>>64076014
this is very interesting but it can't match the artistic profundity of something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2aEikKiGcc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhcTllJgIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-KyL2gMxV8
>>64076625
>so?
stop being a 15 year old
when he said he only takes a couple seconds to respond, he means literally writing it and posting it, not for the window to refresh and for him to click on it and read your dumb opinion
he's not a frustrated faggot that only cares about this argumentation right now
>>64076710
>>64076710
>>64076414
Bro you play drums, not even cool or difficult compared to real instruments.
>>64075475
>Not being a level 50 wizard
Stay Pleb.
>>64070769
degeneracy is social. so i´m trying to be dirty, crazy and unfair as possible.
>>64076156
holy fuck dude i agree with you a music education can be worthwhile but get some more confidence in yourself instead of performing some weird digital therapy where you try to vicariously convince yourself through anonymous online strangers that your life is cool
>>64076156
I love classical music too and I think that playing an instrument is amazing too but damn, you sound like a fedora. If someone asks you why you take the class tell then that it's what you have a love for and hope to seek a job in. Don't have a pissing contest where you go "Nah, Nah. I'm better than you." Think to yourself "What would Reddit do?" And do the opposite of that.
I personally think most "classical music" ensembles sound lame, and flat. I mean who had the idea that we should restrict ourselves to chorus, bowed strings, brass and wind instruments, and group percussion.
Why shouldn't a percussion section consist of one man and a trap set?
Why shouldn't anybody in the ensamble use electronic amplification and distortion to shape their sound?
why is there no visual element to the vast majority of so called "classical" pieces?
And for the love of Jesus why should the audience sit dead silent during the whole performance and only show appreciation between sets for only a minute or two. Classical music is fucking lame if you cant even stand at a show. is everybody supposed to appreciate it the proper way by falling asleep in their chairs?
>>64070769
What about modern music inspired by classical music?
https://soundcloud.com/totally-tubular/abc
>>64077178
it was long ago so but you think only in extremes anyway.
>audience sit dead silent during the whole performance
Yeah they should chimp out while the performancer plays his music!It makes them involved in the music!
>>64077178
the only reason classical is still alive is because of tradition. if you start fucking around with the setup you remove the tradition
>>64077178
>Why shouldn't anybody in the ensamble use electronic amplification and distortion to shape their sound?
Composers do this.
>why is there no visual element to the vast majority of so called "classical" pieces?
>muh gimmicks
>what is opera
>what is ballet
>>64077178
Because the often times that music grabs your attention and shuts you up for the duration of the piece. You don't call shit out loud during a good movie do you?
>>64070769
honestly modern music is mostly shit compared to the art of the music before our time, specifically classical
>>64077414
>the only reason Classical music is around is tradition
>Anything that isn't top 40 is only remembered because of tradition
Though the idea of jumping around during a performance us stupid.
>>64070769
I feel like I can't fully appreciate classical music so I listen to a lot of marches.
What are marches to classical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY
>>64070769
If you wanted people to take this bait seriously, you should have posted a great composer not an overrated hack, 2/10 I replied.
>>64070769
IT'S ALL NIRVANA FAULT
>>64079393
>Overrated
*ahem*
>>64071885
Why the fuck would you recommend Liszt.
Liszt of all composers.
>>64072844
I went through this phase too.
You'll realise eventually that Bach and Beethoven are practically unrivalled in the history of music.
The early 20th century is still my favourite period of Classical music, but I don't deny that Bach and Beethoven were the greatest ever.
>>64076710
i love you baby
>>64075917
you sound cool
what country you from and what instruments do you play?
>>64070769
Modern (actually contemporary) classical music will always be the pinnacle of music.
Anyone who disagrees is the aesthetic version of a luddite or worse, a reactionary.
>>64080223
Paraguay and I play the kazoo.
>>64075917
let them shittalk. Do what you love nad not everything in life has to be minmaxed financially.
Im a stemfag myself and the life of a music major is so fucking different. Yeah i may be more secured in terms of finance, but you'll likely have more fun performing and just really doing what you love.
Those people are just jelly. Fuck them
>>64071082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzsmNodkTEw&index=24&list=PLMgEcDTEM5hdcRWaX_KDMobG9MsAmHCd3
I was gonna post one by Chopin, but two people already have.
I figured since a couple people where talking about modern classical I would post this.
Yes I am a pleb, but Billy Joel is my idol and got me into classical so...
>>64081296
>listening to the audial jew
u fucking nigger
>>64081447
I don't know what that means
>>64079393
>overrated
Shit taste. Further proof that Mozart is underrated,
>>64072095
unlike concerts
>>64072177
only if they don't get up their asses like you're doing
>>64072068
Actually concerts killed music.
Music was better when it was performed for holy events/days/people, not for public entertainment.
>>64072095
Classical music was usually only for the wealthy upperclass or the very small middleclass who could afford it. Majority of the population enjoyed very simple folk music at the local taverna or pub, not alot different from what we listen to today in terms of complexity or themes.
Strange how little things actually have changed since it's pretty much the same today.
>>64077414
tradition is shit
>>64070769
Depends how far you consider to be modern, the bulk of the music I prefer to listen to follows from Wagner, and so can be considered quite modern.
>>64071679
Or anyone with reasonable training, comprehension and/or appreciation of music as a discipline.
>>64072177
