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Hey /mu/, seeing as grime is starting to get some traction in the USA who are some of your favourite grime artists? Mine personally are D Double E, President T, and Ghetts.
>>63821243
Kahn and Neek, Logos, Kowton, Wen.
>>63821308
Yes yes, love the old-school patoire sound
Riko Dan, Ruff Sqwad, Roll Deep, early Wiley and Dizzee, Durrty Goods, Wen, Logos, Kano
>>63821323
None of this stuff sounds particularly old school.
And I absolutely despise MCs.
Don't care much for chart shit like skepta and stormzy and especially not for the "trap rap" influence that seems to be creeping into the scene.
Let's push things forward, innit, not jump on american rap trends.
Nah Wen just doesn't seem properly grime like Spyro beats and that
>>63821383
he's on that weightless grime tip mate
forward thinking, but still functional
it's not like he doesn't have MCs on his tracks too
>>63821368
Thank you i have no fucking clue why Stormz is getting so big considering he is one of the worst MCs about now when comparing to some of the up and coming nottingham guys like Kyeza and Mez and all the other youts
Fuck you and your grime bitch.
The only thing grime influenced you should listen to is Ratking.
Everything else can go die in a fire.
And it's funny because grime artists sound better on non-grime beats i.e Red Eye to Paris feat. Skepta
>>63821383
It's not Eski, if that's what you mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgvYT2sVXOM
>>63821403
>weightless
Ehh.
I can appreciate a devils mix or two but, this weightless is way over the line.
>>63821410
And grime sounds better without any sort of MCs.
That's common knowledge, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO3dl25gR_g
>>63821404
Not only that but he's ruining classic instrumentals too and turning them into charting singles that are pretty mediocre at best and unlistenable at worst.
>>63821410
You need a lie down mate?
American here. Why is grime getting so popular now? I remember you had the Streets doing hip-hop/garage crossover back in like 2002 and then Dizzee Rascal really took grime into its own with Boy in da Corner and everyone was paying attention to it and then it sort of fell by the wayside while dubstep was getting big and then brostep and EDM happened and now grime is getting big again, but it feels less "underground" and more mainstream this time around.
>>63821429
On top of this if I have to hear another 15 year old girl tell me they love grime and recite Shut Up to me I'm going to have to just fucking top myself
>>63821457
New-school twats jumping on American bandwagons to get paid
>>63821457
First off, grime is not hip-hop.
Never has been.
The grime thing getting big now, is probably largely due to youtube and Skepta picking up on the possibilities of this new medium and slowing down the usual rapid fire delivery to a level that Americans can actually understand and youtube really did the rest.
If this offends you, how about this, do you understand everything he's saying on the first listen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUksO77KeUU
He pretty much found the right pop grime sound and put it out there at the right time and the right people noticed it.
>>63821308
>kowton
>grime
>>63821578
you was saying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUeHn9mpMf0#t=73
>>63821543
This. Grime never came from hip hop, and as such I think comparing the two is kinda dumb considering Grime is more about raving and live sets, whereas hip hop seems to be on something else.
Also big up for reminding me about that banger.
>>63821578
definitely not grime at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOgLb22ib8
grime is fucking terrible, it's just black british people talking in a fast and bulbous way over basic fruity loops beats
What's wrong with Stormzy?
He's actually a good rapper. He actually flows properly over instrumentals rather than just yells like the majority of these "god tier" old grime MCs.
I don't get the love for people like Crazy Titch and D Double E. They're objectively bad rappers.
>>63823100
you can trivialise anything if you use the right words you fucking idiot
>>63823122
edgelords here only hate him because he's religious
>>63823122
Grime isn't about "rapping", nor is it about technical skill in any sense, at all. You need to look at it from the same angle appropriate for other "underground", niche, cultural movements like punk, black metal, fucking djembe. It's basically folk music.
Stormzy gets backlash because he is popularising a watered-down, unremarkable, marketable version of this.
>>63823122
They're not rappers.
Would you call this rapping?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2Bgj-za5k
>>63821429
hearing functions on the low again after shut up took off is like remembering a dead friend
it's a horrible feeling
>>63823181
So it's just about yelling about beating people up.
Great genre you have here man.
>>63823279
Wouldn't this be like dancehall or something?
>>63823358
>So it's just about yelling about beating people up.
yea
but sometimes it's about talking about how you're too old care about beating people up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBpEP8_QtI
>>63823181
>watered-down, unremarkable, marketable version of this.
He's actually rapping with actual technical skill over the same good instrumentals.
Surely this is more impressive than what the other talentless hacks did before?
>>63823394
First off, grime MCing is not rapping, technically it's called "chatting", grime is derived from dancehall.
Stormzy is not a grime MC, he's UK rapper who raps over grime instrumentals.
>actual technical skill
Surely this here is more impressive than some watered down pop shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW2w9V2LXO8
only grime artist I can stomach is skepta
>>63823457
>only grime artist I can stomach is skepta
lmao
>>63823358
The former much more than the latter, yes.
Folk music =/= Pitchfork approved, western pop music. Stop trying to compare them.
I don't even like JME, but this is just disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfRJyt3gTzo
>>63823500
This tune is pretty much the only evidence you ever need to see how pathetic Stormzy is.
This is the original tune, the instrumental he ruins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj1N9d8P4bg
While I'm not big on JME, Stormzy completely ruins the message of the tune and he's so much less skilled technically than JME.
>>63823394
Exactly what >>63823435 said,
>Stormzy is not a grime MC, he's UK rapper who raps over grime instrumentals.
It's really a stretch to call what he does - at least recently - grime. It's basically pop grime.
>>63823394
Even Flowdan on his worst tune (Fuck About) is better than the best Stormzy has ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocih6WexNEU
Speaking of Flowdan, anyone heard this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=komzpbQFQfg
Biiiig
Posting actual grime to get the thread back on track and educate Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGLCzgqXi1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ghY6sZt84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfJyV0jPn64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hSL4VtwOos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7b2POsa8gQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbwUEcOXpA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZt2LVIryU
>>63823457
>Grime
>Skepta
Kekest of keks.
>>63821308
middle class suburb grime
>>63823626
I don't rate his new tunes either, but he's still one of the greats, have some respect.
https://soundcloud.com/getdarker/plasticman-skepta-live-at-fwd-04-may-2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010MDSH3rhg
Thoughts on Kanos new album? I am enjoying it, but i know nothing about grime, was also listening to JME, he has some fucking dirty production but some of his lines are cringe worthy
>>63823574
whoa, instant cop on that instrumental.
Probably the tune too.
>>63823122
good delivery but that's about it
>>63823662
Or just more of a dubstep fan?
>>63823709
Instrumental is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIKXlorGmg
>>63823731
I know, discogs order is already out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFkCoINf5Zg
post tunes fucking idiyaats
anyone pre-ordered the ansome album?
>>63823680
>he's still one of the greats
I don't have any respect for him after this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCWCEPPbZXA
>>63823748
Bent. Newest bandulu was boring as fuck.
>>63823765
Wrong thread mate.
>>63823772
his entire career has been one huge identity crisis
>>63823789
lol soz thought this was bleep
>>63823800
I'm happy for him he finally figured out who he wants to be.
I don't agree with it, but I can accept it.
>>63823704
It's pretty shit, honestly. Kano is trying to be super introspective, deep and serious recently but it's just in bad taste imo.
As for JME I've never really rated him either. He's hardworking, playful and charismatic and that's why he's big. I love him as a person, actually met him a couple of times, but I can't really rate his music. Still good on sets, though, he has a LOT of energy.
Honestly, if you're interested in grime, get hold of everything grimetapes.com has put out. ESPECIALLY:
>Grimetapes presents Wheel: Vol. 1
>Grimetapes presents Wheel: Vol. 2
>D Double E: Vol. 1
>Wiley: Volume One
>Grimetapes presents Roadside Gs
>Slew Dem: Volume One
It's the best place to start, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Grimetapes is curated and compiled by Paul Lynch (aka Slackk) who is a fucking veteran and knows his shit.
>>63821323
lol
>>63821410
ratking are so bad lol
Thoughts on Spooky?
>>63823897
Legendary. Great guy.
>>63823809
>he finally figured out who he wants to be.
it wasn't that long ago he was dressing in all black tracksuits and hyping sports direct. that's not me was necessary for him to take that direction, he knows everyone would've seen through the quick change so it's basically a "now no one can come at me since I threw it all in the bin xD"
>>63823379
it's jungle
most of the big grime mcs came from mcing over jungle as that's what was popular before grime/garage
>>63823122
because they both smashed/smash up radio and sets
>>63823897
hes a fuckin don and he's on the come up, sick to see.
https://youtu.be/v3ugXGp72nY
>>63823100
Music is terrible, it's just noise.
>>63823897
second best grime dj after riz la teef
>>63823897
great dj but he has the most annoying fucking voice
/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdw-i4AtJF4
>>63823943
sonics are terrible, all I hear is people. surprised you guys haven't gone deaf yet
>>63823919
To be fair he played it pretty smart. Made outright pop for a while purely for the money, and made himself visible at the same time, then went 'oldschool' again (for better or worse) and made it huge because he was already in the public eye. Say what you want about Skeppy as an artist, but as a businessman and careerist he is fucking killing it.
Shame nobody will give a fuck about Konnichiwa because 3/4 of it is out already as singles.
>>63823857
thanks lad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWw5tFJ9u40
3:30
spooky di don
Posting one of the greatest sets of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1hH_tvi1I
>>63824021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDnuN8DhS9c
>>63823980
I definitely agree, it just seems very contrived and no one except the likes of Big H brought it up because of Skepta's stature in the scene
>>63824021
Too many bait tunes for my taste
>>63824062
you're a god thanks for contribution
>>63824087
Sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbm0xbKoec
Big Narstie (pretty good rapper from UK)
I only enjoy him because of that one rap he did with Craig David.
...ALL OVER YOUR NYAAAAAHHH
Tune always reminded me of a Zelda dungeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXurs3xaeF4
>>63824139
Good joke, but Narstie used to be good too man. I don't know what happened to all of these guys. Guess they had to sell out to make p.
Listen to his bars here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_nDXoU1SWo
...and don't you dare get me started with Dizzee Rascal. His attitude in this music video is just insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1gl46hh3sQ
>>63824118
"im too good to for your bait tunes"
>posts a mix all from same artist
"its good cus it doesnt have many views senpai its underground n that"
>>63824186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9RxqXZ9bxk
dizzee is a don, obviously his new stuff is irrelevant
>>63824192
Mate I wasn't trying to shit on you. I didn't say it sucked, just had too many in your face club bangers for me.
Jon E Cash and all of Black Ops were fucking sick. Sublow was deadly when it was about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh44UupVDcA
Grime fans (and UK rap fans in general) care more about how "road" and "hood" you are than your actual technical ability and until that changes its destined for complete mediocrity.
It's the only reason Crazy Titch was popular and the only reason why completely talentless hacks like Nines, AJ Tracey and 67 are currently popular.
>>63824262
fair play lad
Grime niggas are too afraid to be creative with their music and experiment because it'll fuck up their "street cred", instead they stick to similar sounding instrumentals and rap about the same subject matter (beating people up and selling drugs) and that's what's holding the genre back.
>>63824274
>completely talentless hacks
>AJ Tracey
wew lad
>>63824299
Meh, I'd say there's a lot of variety in grime. You've got the weird UK bass type stuff on Swamp and Keysound, you've got the dubstep-y stuff, you've got the weightless stuff.
Also grime niggas are not only stuck in the past stylistically but economically as well.
They do not know how to release music and that will lead to the genre becoming irrelevant again in the next year.
Grime has become a form of ignorant rap (unfortunately niggas are too afraid to spit good bars over good instrumentals) similar to trap. It's not extremely difficult to make. They're just spitting pre-written bars over beats they're given. There's no songwriting. It's like trap.
Difference is that trap niggas know that they're not making extremely "significant" music and therefore release tons of music consistently.
Grime niggas release like 2 tunes a year then go ghost for 20 years and expect their buzz to keep up.
Skepta and Stormzy should have released at least 3 free mixtapes each in the past year.
>>63824299
>>63824274
>>63824186
>>63823457
>>/out/
>>63824311
>i'm aj tracey
>true say that *insert someone's name here* lived in tottenham
>mans chattin about arsenal here we're chattin about tottenham
>*noun* is *adjective* like *another noun*
>i sell drugs
>i have sex with women
>i have bumfluff on my face
>on a wave like walrus
>>63824336
>They do not know how to release music and that will lead to the genre becoming irrelevant again in the next year.
Look, this is how it has been in UK dance music for a long time.
Why change?
Grime has died a long time ago.
>>63824262
>>63824298
Love you m8. I just don't think all the super-polished grime instrumentals of the now age work for me. I totally fetishise shit quality lol.
>>63824274
>>63824299
>>63824336
Oh it's you again.
Anyway, are you surprised? Grime is a folk music. Road is where it comes from and that is inescapable. Folk music has NEVER been about technical ability. It's about the translation of an impalpable feeling, and a narrative. For grime's case, it's the violence of the road, testosterone, and banging your head on the glass ceiling which you were born into.
This isn't a bad thing. See >>63823497. It's not a fucking music genre, and it doesn't need to evolve.
Which is irrelevant as well, because it has. Look at all the weightless instrumentals and shit like Different Circles that people like Mumdance are pioneering. Then at the same time Stormzy and Skepta are making it pop and marketing it to American audiences, and there is still a thriving underground in London and Birmingham that is doing it the old way. Even the fucking Japanese are doing grime.
D Double E
Skepta
Devil Man
Bugzy Malone
Stormzy
Ghetts
Giggs
Coco
>>63824336
grime isn't about releasing tunes lol
mcing is about keeping a crowd moving in night clubs and hosting radio shows
they might release some tunes every now and again to raise their profile but anyone from london will tell u that it's all about seeing mcs live
>>63824336
you are clueless
fuck off
they need to be on more sets - not put out 3 mixtapes that'll be forgotten regardless of how good they are - especially stormzy given his use of classic instros
>>63824356
Because modern grime is no longer UK dance music it's rap.
The majority of modern grime fans intersect with rap fans, not UK dance music fans.
When grime is advertised, it's advertised to an urban crowd who listens to rap music. Look at how they're advertising it in the US currently. They're not advertising it through the dance music/clubbing scene, they're advertising it through hip-hop. They're getting the hip-hop niggas to fuck with grime to get the hip-hop fans to fuck with grime because to the majority of these hip-hop fans who don't know the origin of grime, it sounds like a subgenre of hip-hop.
So release music like a fucking rapper does.
You can't just say "oh but lad it came from garage and dancehall so we're gonna pretend it's still like garage and dancehall".
>>63824404
>The majority of modern grime fans intersect with rap fans, not UK dance music fans.
wind it in lad
>>63824379
Hip-hop isn't about releasing albums lol.
It's about boomboxes and graffiti and bright red adidas tracksuits and yelling "A HIP! A HOP! A HIPPY HIPPY HOP! A HIPPY HIPPY HIPPITY HOPITTY HOPPY HOP!" over drum beats.
>>63824426
It's true.
>>63824404
>Because modern grime is no longer UK dance music it's rap.
>The majority of modern grime fans intersect with rap fans, not UK dance music fans.
You're talking bollocks mate.
I think you just have it in your head that grime and hip-hop are closely related just because they both have rapping in them and it simply isn't true.
Grime IS dance music. Grime always has been and still is, no matter what popular artists are making it into.
>>63824336
>>63824404
grime is not fucking musical so stop acting like it should be. it's not about albums, it's not about physical releases, it's not about touring, and it sure as fuck isn't about songwriting
it came from road and it's had the growing pains of people trying to project on it the traditional practice of a 'musical movement', in that it needs to be nurtured and developed and look what has happened lmao. it's tragic. modern grime is a pale imitation of what it used to be
>>63824336
Grime MCing is not about tunes.
The producers are putting out loads of varied tunes, there's lots of experimentation with the sound.
>>63824404
>Because modern grime is no longer UK dance music it's rap.
The shitty bait pop grime Skepta and Stormzy are putting out might be, grime is not.
>The majority of modern grime fans intersect with rap fans, not UK dance music fans.
The majority of the RELEVANT grime fans don't.
>So release music like a fucking rapper does.
Grime MCs are not rappers, why should they release music like rappers do?
>You can't just say "oh but lad it came from garage and dancehall so we're gonna pretend it's still like garage and dancehall".
What I can say, however, is that there has been a lot of overlap with dubstep, so it is like dubstep.
So why would you not release your music like a dubstep artist?
>>63824437
Yea, it is.
crazy titch
esco
d double e
footsie
izzie gibbs
novelist
faultsz
elf kid
pk
lyrical strally
saint
mez
aj tracy
jendor
old dizze
old wiley
old skepta
flowdan
riko
>>63824460
Not him but nar mate.
Most hip hop heads listen to grime and just dismiss it because it doesnt have complex bars and they repeat lines and rhyme the same word 5 times
CALL ME A BACKUPDANCER?
ON STAGE OF THE BRITS?
>>63824481
Yeah, hip hop people would shit all over Eskiboy, because they can't appreciate Wiley yelling the same word for almost half the duration of the tune.
>>63824481
Then maybe they should stop repeating lines and start writing complex bars then they'll get taken seriously by the rest of the world.
>>63824460
to be honest, you kinda have like mainstream grime and underground grime now
mainstream grime, like jme, skepta, p money, wiley, stormzy, etc is being marketed to the hip hop crowd like you say
underground grime, like elf kid, mez aj tracey, pk, lyrical strally, etc is still dance music and is all about radio and live shows
>>63824497
Why?
Also, isn't something like Skeng complex enough for you?
>>63824497
you've clearly deliberately ignored everything everybody has said to you lol
grime doesn't want to be taken seriously, especially by the likes of people who are totally ignorant to where it is coming from
imagine if you were a monogolian folk singer in your peaceful little farm surrounded by family and close village friends, and suddenly some shithot label exec from the states wanted you to "improve your songwriting ability" so you could break it in burgerland
you'd tell him to suck out
>>63824497
no, because grime bars are designed to be heard live in a rave. people out on their weekend don't wanna hear complex bars. they want something easy to remember and aggressive that they can shout along to
>>63824497
>taken seriously by the rest of the world
Why would any grime artist want to be popular among 14 year old Americans besides money? It's an absolute detriment to the scene.
none of these sebastians have ever been to a grime rave or even listened to a set anyway
>>63824481
>>63824533
So what happens if an actual lyrical rapper started rapping some dope shit over grime beats.
Would you just dismiss him?
Shit you can see this start to happen with the likes of Rocks FOE popping up. He's even blowing the likes of Trim away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiThDBVZ0gE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzG-g8Yrs0
>>63824559
Pretty much. This entire thread is UK man pissing in the pungent stinking wind of America
>>63824564
>rapper
You still don't get it.
Grime MCs are not rappers.
>>63824564
>grime beats
That first tune is not a grime instrumental, it's trap.
Also, there are plenty of lyrically skilled MCs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn3VRbz4XYg
>>63824355
man thought he could try rob my grub
but he didn't know i had the butterfly tucked
butterflies in his belly but he ain't in love
>>63824613
>That first tune is not a grime instrumental, it's trap.
It is grime influenced though and Rocks is a grime MC.
And how come American rappers refer to themselves as MCs all the time but as soon as someone calls a grime MC a rapper they get crucified.
>BUDA BUP BUP
>IT'S WHOO WHOO
>IT'S MREE MREE
>U DON'T WANNA WAR WITH WHOO WHOO
>U DON'T WANNA WAR WITH MREE MREE
>OHURRR OHURRR
>OH MY WAAHD
>BLUKU BLUKU
>I FEEL GOOD TONIGHHHT
>OH MY GOSHHH
americans can't even fathom the power in these words
Any grime heads here can explain me why Jon E Cash isn't considered the first grime MC? He released this in 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVtcN1jvfA
>>63824678
>American rappers refer to themselves as MCs all the time
They don't know what the word MC means, since hip-hop is no longer about boomboxes and graffiti and bright red adidas tracksuits and yelling "A HIP! A HOP! A HIPPY HIPPY HOP! A HIPPY HIPPY HIPPITY HOPITTY HOPPY HOP!" over drum beats.
Grime MCs are not rappers, because they don't rap, what is so hard to understand about that?
>>63823383
decent choon lad
>>63824709
Well surely if hip-hop evolved from that shit, it's about time for grime to evolve at least a little bit.
I don't know about you, but I'd love to hear a talented rapper rap some cool shit with some cool flows over some cool instrumentals made by some of the cool new more experimental producers coming around like Murlo. And maybe release a good album or mixtape that could challenge Boy In Da Corner rather than just let it sit there as a fluke that'll never happen again.
grime has splintered to fuck and this is why everyone is confused and you get threads like this
right now in 2016 you have:
>weightless movement pushed by mumdance + different circles crew, and boxed crew
>old vanguard like skepta trying to push the original sound to americans and virgin listeners
>pop grime like stormzy watering it down and making the sound palatable to teenagers and the middle class in the UK and abroad
>modern inner-city underground desperately trying to imitate the greats, and not really knowing how to organise themselves in the internet age (but still doing a decent job)
>overseas labels like tri-angle projecting their own vision onto it (rabit)
>mcs like rocks carving their own paths
basically the only true 'grime' that still exists is tucked away deep in london and birmingham, and because of the digital age and modern distribution/dissemination it's NEVER going to be the same as it was, so it's basically dead and split into loads of different forms like The Thing and everybody is trying to make sense of it.
>>63824746
>release a good album or mixtape
there's ur problem. there hasn't been a good album since boy in da corner because no one cares about albums!
grime is meant to be experienced live
do u even live on london lad lol?
>>63824701
MCing has been around forever, "the first grime MC" is irrelevant.
If you look hard enough you can probably find grime-like tunes even earlier than that.
>>63824746
>it's about time for grime to evolve at least a little bit
Why?
Why should grime change, it's fine as it is.
>Murlo
Crazylegs is a terrible label, the only time they're bearable is when they put out bait pop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfljgBI27w0
>And maybe release a good album or mixtape that could challenge Boy In Da Corner rather than just let it sit there as a fluke that'll never happen again.
Who the fuck gives a damn about albums or mixtapes?
>>63824810
true
>>63824817
>>63824838
Boy In Da Corner was fucking revered and is seen as a fucking classic TO THIS DAY.
Of course people cared about it.
The only reason you're saying they don't is because you haven't been able to experience another good grime album. If someone managed to do it you'd love it.
>>63824810
This. It really hurts me inside to witness how young brits are calling stormzy the best grime MC ever and shit like that, when I'm not even British and I know much more than them about what grime really is. Can you link me to some underground crews that are still making that oldschool grime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO9Wmv-6fvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=153n9X7MnJg
>>63824870
Flowdan is apparently putting one out in july, there's no way it's gonna be bad after Serious Business.
>>63824870
do you live in london?
These grime fans might literally be more cancerous than the "real hip-hop" kids who listen to Hopsin and Eminem.
>>63824882
Eski is awful.
>>63824903
Southampton rudeboi.
Don't try denying to me that Boy In Da Corner is a classic, fucking hell, it doesn't matter where I'm from. That shit was universally a classic.
>>63824906
no it isn't
Apparently the Japanese have caught onto grime and I guarantee they will make a modern day BiDC while still making good instrumentals and sets within the next year and you lot will all eat your words and cry about "b-but muh classics"
>>63824905
Why? Because they care about their music scene? How dare they.
>>63824922
It is though.
The only grime that is vaguely tolerable is dubstep grime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOc50fd2hqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-c3cf9c6TU
American grime is so much better.
Roll Deep will never reach the levels of these guys.
>>63824951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXUBrWymJs4
gully to be fair
>>63824951
Hell, even the Eastern Europeans are spitting on grime now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSRuXhogsCo
I DONT KNIFE FOR FUN
BUT I'LL KNIFE UR BUM
>>63824951
Why would any grime fan be upset about more good grime music coming out?
>>63824987
This slav language really goes well with the rapid-fire grime delivery.
>>63824976
kurwa
>>63823122
>Crazy Titch is an objectively bad rapper
Nah senpai u wrong. Grimes always been about energy and presence.
>>63824961
so you don't listen to grime
why didn't you just say so?
>>63825004
>>63825000
REEEE it's not slav ok? It's Lithuanian
Here's a live set they did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL2vuJX4PUU
>>63825020
I don't listen to grime with MCs, because I despise MCs for assassinating jungle.
>>63825025
p alright.
Is Lithuanian not a slav language?
It sounds p slav.
>>63824961
>dubstep grime
what the absolute heck are you talking about lad?
>>63825087
I unno.
Grime with obvious dubstep influence.
>>63825075
It's not slav but it's pretty close linguistically. Sounds similar but the vocabulary is not at all similar.
>>63825033
who the fuck assassinated jungle?
you should probably get over that unhealthy not to mention baseless prejudice. there are great mcs doing great things.
>>63825087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwmUOJR-GwA
>>63825095
Dubstep was influenced by grime. It was the convergence of 2-step garage, dub, and sublow.
>>63825123
>who the fuck assassinated jungle?
The MCs are to blame for killing jungle.
Who else could have done it?
The MCs pushed the producers to make stuff that gets lots of rewinds, the MCs pushed the DJs to play stuff that gets rewinds, the MCs pushed the genre towards a harder style more focused on an impact instead of facilitating dancing.
In many ways MCs are to blame for the current state of mainstream EDM, which is all about having drops that hit as hard as possible. Mainstream EDM is the logical conclusion to this push towards tunes that get loads and loads of rewinds whenever they're played.
>>63825124
that's a dubstep tune... that just so happens to have an mc on it
>>63824692
DIRR-TEE-TEEE
>>63825205
>that's a dubstep tune
It's not tho.
Kevin has never been making dubstep.
If Stormzy's trash please explain this.
>>63825175
>The MCs are to blame for killing jungle.
Why do people say this? Jungle is dead. Dubstep is dead...
Because it isn't in the mainstream anymore? There's absolutely loads of amazing jungle coming out all the time, there's a proper old school revival, not to mention the half time stuff and the footwork stuff too.
I swear people just use "X is dead" as an excuse for their ignorance.
>>63825225
Nas, Kanye, Drake, all jumping on the Stormzy and BBW bandwagon. Why? I couldn't tell you.
>>63825222
>London Zoo
>>63825243
Because they're better than Ooncle Mez.
>>63825205
That's a ragga tune.
>>63825222
yes he has...
why are you calling him kevin lol?
>>63825230
>Why do people say this?
Because it's unfortunately true.
Where is jungle now, it's niche, it's irrelevant.
Nobody really gives a damn about jungle right now, it really is dead.
>>63825289
>why are you calling him kevin lol?
That's his name innit?
discogs labels aren't always right and this one probably has it because the B-side is dubstep.
Had a couple bad experiences buying stuff blind, just saying.
>>63825302
Something has to be popular for it to be relevant? I don't get it.
Especially this kind of opinion on /mu/ which is mostly about more underground music.
Sure jungle isn't in its heyday like in the mid 90s, but come on, a scene isn't dead just because it isn't as popular as it once was. There are still plenty of great jungle nights that attracts large crowds, and jungle's influence on dance music is still huge.
Is this what the cool kids are listening to now in the UK?
>>63825324
well, yeah, but when he makes music he's called the bug. u just decided to call him by his real name to somehow make it seem like u kno more about him and his music...
>>63825357
yeah, no.
I call burial Will too and kode9 steve.
It's just polite, innit?
>>63825329
>There are still plenty of great jungle nights that attracts large crowds
>>63825371
>steve
you should be calling him dr. goodman, if anything
>>63825380
There are mate. Maybe not where you live.
>>63825371
why are you typing the word innit
>>63825463
>Maybe not where you live.
>>63825329
>jungle's influence on dance music is still huge
And where is that influence?
2-step is dead and gone.
And I'm not compromising on that one.
>>63825540
Dubstep, UK Bass, Footwork, that kind of stuff. Not so much garage any more at all.
Niggas still listening to old grime, it's all about nugrime.
The youth don't listen to that radio bullshit anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGmZgBWKkUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvu7VZr8mAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bx5Oui6m14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJADye5ulc
>>63825566
this. footwork is big. also garage/breaks hybrid is gonna be in again soon.
>>63825603
How is Oscar #worldpeace not fucking huge yet?
Kid is hard as fuck.
>>63825603
i only listened to danielog plan and it was very weak
>>63825829
I don't get him desu but he's getting a lot of buzz in my ends. He's got a Skepta and Jammer cosign too iirc.
The first link is fucking sick though. I'd love to see MC/rapping grime to go in this direction.
>>63825603
american hip hop is years ahead of this shit
>>63825868
It's a completely different type of music.
>>63825868
>implying related or in any way comparable
DanielOG the future.
>>63825953
mandem dress like its 95 lmao
>>63825891
>>63825907
L O L
straight up im appalled you think this is a new trend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRdU9SBDrr4
tell me this is completely different
this guy blows all those kids out of the water
an american nigga, these guys were slaves and you can tell because american rap music is so much more charged
>>63826049
Grime =/= Rap
for the last time pard
>>63826049
>tell me this is completely different
Well it's not a grime tune and this is a grime thread.
Grime isn't just a UK version of hip-hop.
UK Hip-hop is its own thing, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nISWPU50HLc
>>63826049
>pardners think they invented rapping
>pardners think anything with rapping is hip hop
Seriously fucking retarded, we need to wipe all Septics from this board.
>>63826072
Grime =/= rap
grime = hip hop
its a subgenre of hip hop, made in america fuckboy and your hip hop sucks dick
>>63826103
Grime is garridge, you clown.
Which, to be fair, was made in America, but has absolutely nothing to do with hip-hop.
>>63826101
you are listening to bad hip hop and pretending its artsy by calling it grime so you can enjoy it
>>63826103
literally kys you dumb fucking cunt
>>63826103
>its a subgenre of hip hop
It really isn't.
It's more of a sub genre of jungle than hip-hop.
What is up with /mu/ and pretending to be clued in on music you're completely ignorant about.
>>63826117
its hip hop dont be ridiculous
and its shit
"my girl thinks im the man"
"because ive got the plan"
-danielog fucking rap legend
>>63826143
pardners are fucking clueless and should stick with their memerap-pop and dated rock
>>63826120
You are just listening to bad dancehall, pretending its artsy by calling it hip hop so you can enjoy it
>>63826103
no grime =/= hip-hop
it came out of MCs working over darker jungle-influenced garage tunes, which in turn is part of a tradition in the hardcore continuum that stems back to dancehall and toasting.
>>63826143
>>63826123
>>63826117
>>63826101
>>63826091
Hip hop music, also called hip-hop[2][3] or rap music,[3][4][5] is a music genre formed in the United States in the 1970s that consists of a stylized rhythmic music that commonly accompanies rapping, a rhythmic and rhyming speech that is chanted
Derivative forms: Grime
>>63826203
Hip hop is just American reggae.
>>63826203
What source is that and why do you believe that they know what they're talking about?
>>63826171
>>63826181
>>63826143
>>63826123
okay fine
they are bad RAPPERS, and the super special genre of grime is a sound that is easily reproduced through american hip hop in a better way because they are better rappers as well
am i getting through to you now?
>>63826223
wikipedia
>>63826203
Jungle and Breakbeat hardcore are also listed as being derivative of hip-hop, but those are obviously not hip-hop.
>>63826234
they are not rappers.
Grime MCs do not rap.
We had this exact exchange like three times in this thread.
>>63826243
So, is there a citation for grime being a derivative form of hip hop or did someone make that up?
>>63826252
yes they are rapping thats what its called spoken word dumb FUCK
this exchange is happening again because you have made no point
>>63826275
yes, go and look for yourself under the hip hop page of wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music
>>63826234
>they are bad RAPPERS
For you
>and the super special genre of grime is a sound that is easily reproduced through american hip hop
Not really. It's a specifically UK sound.
You really aren't getting it. Grime is its own thing, it's own style based on UK dance music. Grime MCs aren't trying to sound like Americans rappers, they aren't trying to do their own thing and their own flow based off a different culture of music from Jamaica. It's you who is being ignorant.
I love American hip-hop and I love grime, I just understand the distinction that they're seperate genres and have completely different appeals. I hate this /mu/ viewpoint that music is some objective thing, like saying "Ghostface Killah is an objectively better MC than Flowdan or something" when it's a completely different style of music.
If you don't like grime, that's fine, don't listen to it. But don't act like there's some kind of relation between US hip hop and grime, as if they're comparable at all.
>>63821243
d double a badman, saw newham generals live a month or so ago, it went off
>>63826283
>yes they are rapping thats what its called
It's not rap.
You can call it toasting or chatting or whatever, but it really doesn't have much in common with rapping.
>>63826306
No citation, just someone saying it is that way.
That doesn't mean anything, I'll fix that.
you brits crack me the fuck up
you could care less about the actual music, you just enjoy the trend of grime itself
>>63826234
>the super special genre of grime is a sound that is easily reproduced through american hip hop in a better way because they are better rappers as well
Really?
find me a hip-hop tune that sounds like any of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR5rgKK39Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFI_2YK8M3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMQTU2iI1E
If you lot really think people like AJ Tracey are appealing to UK dance music listeners then you're deluded.
Yes, the genre came from dance music but a lot of it isn't really dance music anymore.
>>63826314
no you are not getting it
grime is simply hip hop with a label slapped on it
i listen to music that sounds exactly like what im listening to in this thread and in america we call it hip hop
im saying that no matter what you call it, it is not as different as you may think simply because it goes by a different name
>But don't act like there's some kind of relation between US hip hop and grime, as if they're comparable at all.
you're in denial, grime was started in the 2000's is a derivative of american hip hop made in the 1970's
get your head out of your ass
>>63826346
It's because care about the music we shit all over those hip-hop idiots.
Grime isn't even about MCs.
>>63826346
thanks for explaining to us why we like something
cunt
>>63826417
you're wrong
I love Novelist, and I'm seeing him on friday. very excited
>>63826466
>I love Novelist
lmao
>>63826401
no im not going to find you anything
you are an idiot pulse x is instrumental so of course its not hip hop that is all techno or jungle, or dub
>>63825603
this music is all considered grime to you as well correct? its fucking hip hop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2Bgj-za5k
I suppose this is also hip-hop too. Just a rip off of that American sound, right?
>>63826417
Look mate, who do you think knows more about grime? Some American guy who is just using wikipedia as a source, or actual fans of the genre?
I'm not trying to be patronising although it might appear like that, I'm literally just telling you the facts.
>>63821410
fuck how much more wrong can you get
>>63826485
>no im not going to find you anything
If you can't it means that you're either wrong or you're aggressively shitposting, which are p good at.
>you are an idiot pulse x is instrumental so of course its not hip hop that is all techno or jungle, or dub
So hip-hop instrumentals are not hip-hop?
>>63826421
>grime isnt about mc's
then what the fuck is all this?
>>63825603
those are called mc's and they are not doing a very good job
>>63826485
>you are an idiot pulse x is instrumental so of course its not hip hop that is all techno or jungle, or dub
wut
Do you even know what hip-hop is, never mind grime?
>>63825225
stormzy is trash, he's being supported by a washed up rapper who clearly needs to jump on the UK bandwaggon to get a bit more dolla as his albums clearly dont fit the cut like they used to. Just because he hangs out with big american names doesnt mean he's good, it means there's money in the business, instantly making their music commercially driven = shit. next thing you can guarantee is asap mob or pro era doing a collab with these lads. all cancerous
>>63826524
aggressive shitposting by people whose only knowledge of grime is stormzy butchering classic instrumentals
>>63826522
im just going to keep skipping the semantics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJADye5ulc
how is this grime? how is this anything like:
>>63826494
>>63826401
>>63826566
>how is this grime?
It's not, what the fuck.
Why would you think it is?
That's UK Hip Hop.
Pay attention to the mode of delivery and the instrumental being really uncomfortable to dance to.
>>63826494
>Literally oldskool American hip-hop beats but sped up
>give the rapper a British/Jamaican accent
It's the same fucking shit. It's still hip-hop. Everything you guys do is copying us.
>>63826598
i think it is because someone literally posted it in this thread saying it was grime
and regardless my argument is sound
grime is a derivative of hip hop
hip hop started in the 70's much earlier then grime did in the UK
>>63826600
Alright, you got me, I fell for the bait.
>>63826627
I'm giving up with this one, there's no point in arguing with you, you're unwilling to accept a counterargument.
Why is grime called grime, do you know?
The reason for the name of the genre, is all you'll ever need to understand why grime is not derived from hip hop.
>>63826627
>and regardless my argument is sound
>grime is a derivative of hip hop
Except we keep telling you this isn't true and the only reference you have for your "fact" is yourself.
>hip hop started in the 70's much earlier then grime did in the UK
Yeah, no shit. You don't think we had heard hip-hop in the UK before 2000? Doesn't this fact alone kind of make you wonder whether your fact is true? That in the late 90s/early 2000s the UK suddenly discovered hip-hop and grime was created? Obviously not, this leads you to think what actually created grime, and oh look, obviously it's garage, jungle and the whole UK based/Jamaican inspired dance music scene of the 90s, like we've been saying all thread.
Grime is based on Jamaican music waaaaaay more than American music.
>>63826740
>You don't think we had heard hip-hop in the UK before 2000?
evidence of hip-hop existing in the UK before 2000 btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOcrsTNzCrI
Hip hop and grime are both different derivatives of Jamaican music, musically and lyrically which all comes down to immigration into each country,.
>>63826694
it is its own genre but it is certainly derived from hip hop, a similar genre that was formed thirty years prior
>>63826740
my source is wikipedia and other articles look for yourself lazy its the truth
grime is derivative of hip hop
fuck grime and fuck hip hop
lets talk about rap to really condense this, because the grime music being posted in this thread has rap in it which has obviously taken influence from american hip hop
>>63827166
>my source is wikipedia and other articles look for yourself lazy its the truth
This is not how sources work.
You have to present your sources.
>it is its own genre but it is certainly derived from hip hop, a similar genre that was formed thirty years prior
Why is grime called grime.
Just tell me.
>the grime music being posted in this thread has rap in it
It doesn't, it's not rapping.
How many more times do we have to do this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PudGK9S7my0
I was expecting grime to get experimental like hip-hop has done recently but it's stayed exactly the same which is disappointing.
>>63827212
wow that sounded like shit
here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music
look to the right, then under derivative forms
there is a connection between 1970's hip hop or fucking rap or whatever semantics you'd like to employ, and grime in the early 2000's
you do not like to admit that america has influenced your music and that is your main motive for this argument
your rappers are shite mate
>>63827286
>it's stayed exactly the same which is disappointing
Yeah, this sure sounds like the usual Eski grime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gEI0eCHcw
>>63827212
>it doesn't, it's not rapping
>>63825603
tell me mate what the fuck is this stop fucking around
what the fuck do you call this read this fucking post
none of you are consistent on what is really grime except for the early jungle techno basic bs you keep posting that i hope no one actually listens to
Only good grime rappers are Wiley, Dizzee, Kano, Ghetto, Rocks and Dot Rotten.
Rest are terrible.
>>63827333
>wow that sounded like shit
It's called dancehall.
If you look at that wikipedia page, you'll see it's where hip hop came from.
And I am completely disregarding the fact that wikipedia is not a valid source.
Citations on wikipedia are, but grime being derived from hip hop has no citation, therefore it is not a valid source.
Anyone could edit that.
>you do not like to admit that america has influenced your music
Look.
The entire reason the UK club scene exists is acid house, which came out of Detroit. The entire reason grime exists is garage house, which came out of New York.
But grime is not hip-hop, sorry.
>>63827390
>what the fuck do you call this
First and third tune are grime, the other two are UK hip hop.
>>63827400
>grime """"""""""rappers""""""""""
>>63827390
It's nugrime senpai.
