Why so do many popular rap artist talk about nothing but their material possessions?
It's like listening to advertisements about rollies and lambos
Say what you want about Kanye West but at least he doesn't do that.
Black people have a giant cultural inferiority complex. They have to try to make up for it somehow.
Because it sells. Anyways, I know I will be called a stupid 12 year old for this, but can anyone point me to any artists that make this lyrical, mellow, melancholic, but at the same time sort of cheerful kind of hiphop? Like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iMell14sVQ
I seriously don't think anyone raps like this anymore 2bh :(
>>63801805
>>63801802
Then how do you explain 90s hiphop, which was largely unmaterialistic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHRnvjCkTsw
>>63801803
Reminded me of 3rd Bass
>>63801802
>>63801805
This is so true. Have you guys ever listened to Rocky in an interview? Holy shit niggers man
>>63801817
>Discounting and ignoring all the '90s gangster rap
How east coast of you.
>>63801805
As opposed to the vast lyrical subjects of white artists like
muh girl that's way out of my league don't like me
Muh depression
>>63801771
>frail ass yt doesn't get rap
What a surprise!
>>63801845
>largely
Yeah well maybe I overestimated. Still, there was a lot of conscious rappers that were signed with big record companies and selling a lot of records.
>>63801771
Because Capitalism
>>63801803
Try Common
>>63801892
Oh shit I forgot he's still around releasing music.
>>63801865
I agree with you. There were hip hop acts that were trying to be socially conscious and have a real message that meant something. But for every act like that, there were three Geto Boyz, or Silk tha Shocker.
Hip Hop is a genre that I'm utterly dissapointed in nowadays. I think the last rapper I heard that I actually liked was Big K.R.I.T. Maybe I'm just to old school...
>>63801910
And you know what the cause of that is? It's simply because it sells good. It's not because "niggers" make degenerate music. It's because degenerate music sells.
>>63801937
I guess some rappers like Kendrick Lamar try to be socially conscious nowadays too, though.
>>63801910
lmao
Ofc depression and rejected love is degenerate
You're not able to get your ideal mate because you dont have anything good to offer the perfect woman like healthy looks, personality, or security, and you're a sad boy because of shit genes that ultimately and SHOULD lead you to suicide without passing on your degenerate , weak genes
>>63801937
>Hip Hop is a genre that I'm utterly dissapointed in nowadays
There are still a lot of great rappers doing their thing who write songs about other things than having money or being the best on the mic. You just got to do a little digging for the good stuff.
>>63801973
>And you know what the cause of that is? It's simply because it sells good. It's not because "niggers" make degenerate music. It's because degenerate music sells.
Truth.
>>63801910
>OUR derivative shitty music is ok because muh 1950s morals
>>63801910
depression and rejected love are straight up pathetic and i'd rather listen to bling rap than this gay crap
>>63802041
Yeah. I forgot about Billy Woods too.
>>63801973
It sells because niggers and their degenerate ideals are considered "cool" these days.
>>63802028
Depression and rejected love are not materialistic and therefore not degenerate.
>>63802075
>It sells because niggers and their degenerate ideals are considered "cool" these days
Yep, and that touches most races. White teens love that shit.
>inb4 you post those drawings that put all the blame on jews
>>63802087
>he doesnt hate the kids these days and their DUHJENERAT music??? SONGS OF HEARTBREAK ARE NOBLE AND TRUE EMOTIONAL ANTHEMS!!! WHO WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT SOMEONE WHO ISNT SAD???
found the /pol/
>>63802087
Lol you probably got bullied by black kids in highschool
>>63801803
Mick Jenkins, Chance the Rapper, Joey Bada$$, Jazz Cartier
>>63802138
His crush or sister probably dated a black too
>>63802126
>>63802087
Boy these two ideologies are really coming to a head atm. The old christian morality brigade vs. The every lifestyle is ok contingent.
Really worries me where it's all going to end.
Look, materialistic music is Fucking retarded. It's there because shit sells to idiots. Urban poor culture is what is popular right now and people are desperate in urban poor culture for that shit.
>>63802158
Fine MCs, but their beats still don't come close to that 90s mellowness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQLngWdvxZs
>>63802106
>>63802126
>>63802138
>strawmen and projections
Typical leftist "arguments".
>>63802180
do you also suck your own dick about the movies and books you like? how little do you have going for you that you cling to your taste in music so hard for superiority?
>>63802200
Fuck nah, I'm a capitalist till I die. Doesn't mean I must be a racist though.
>>63802200
>BOOHOOHOO ALL TEH MUSIC I DONT LIEK IS BAD, NOW WRITE ME A PROPERLY CITED ACADEMIC ESSAY ON WHY IM WRONG
typical /pol/ delusion that they have made a real point and thus deserve a real answer
Answer me this:
Where are the Public Enemy's of this generation?
>>63802326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU
>>63802046
Most black people have been in shitty environments for the past like hundred years or so. A rise of drugs and violence, which is still rising today, became significant in the some of the '70s, '80s and '90s cuz of all of the shit happening then (I could describe it, but I don't have time to go too in depth right now), which help attribute to the start of rap. And when you're in a shitty environment surrounded by drugs, violence, sex, gangs, and money, those are the only things you have to make music about. Lots of rappers rapped/rap about making it out, but then it's still so they can get the money, drugs, sex, etc., so they still rap about it. If a rapper came up rapping about those things, why would most of them change their subject matter? Like you said, degenerate music sells.
>>63802326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyT1buoyTnY
>>63802365
>/pol/ doesn't understand hyperbole and conveniently sidesteps the part where they don't deserve a real answer because they haven't made a real point
>>63801803
Like someone else said, I'd say Common (old one at least, especially his album "Be") and maybe some of Kendrick Lamar's recent releases "To Pimp a Butterfly" and "Untitled Unmastered"
>>63802365
do you shake and angrily whisper 'leftists!' to yourself in your room as you listen to your euro dragon and viking metal?
>>63802326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsNfgRrtzos
>>63802326
Kendrick, Killer Mike
>>63802346
>>63802356
>>63802390
>>63802406
Thank you. I think they were always a realistic counter balance to Gangster/Materialistic Rap. Socially Conscience while being "unsafe."
>>63802378
>u disagree with me so u havent made a point
>>63802387
>even more projection
>>63802511
no, you haven't made a point so you haven't made a point. you've just whined about materialism and black people
fuck this whole rap hop shit era of "music" needs to fucking die already
>>63802550
That's a very abstract point 2bh. Is it degenerate in general, all of it, what are you saying m8? Speak up.
What degeneracy can you even attempt to find in a song like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Snh2NZHhk
>>63802550
>That new fangaled "Rock music" is so degenerate
This is an old argument, though it still has validity.
what is the point of having a containment board if /pol/ is just gonna spread everywhere else
>>63802636
Alright, then I think we share an opinion, although I'd add that the vast majority of modern, not all, "nigger" music is degenerate. The difference between us is that I don't think niggers are single-handedly responsible for this, and I'm not really all that afraid of "degenerate" music. Oh and fuck off with the leftist accusations. As I've said, I'm a capitalist till I die, because I'm from a post-socialist country, I know that nothing good comes from it.
Here enjoy some degenerate nigger music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71VE7Ra5GKA
>>63802680
Do you think any of the music you post is played on the radio or known to the average person? It isn't. The music that influences people is materialistic, hedonistic garbage.
>>63802636
>the exception proves the rule
the multitude of exceptions you aren't even aware of disproves the rule and proves your ignorance on the subject
>>63802710
>played on the radio
if this is how we're judging genres then music in general is shit
>>63802710
What's your point? Yes, popular ≠good, so? I'm not disputing that.
![1364181184399s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/otDEY1W.jpg "1364181184399s[1].jpg")
why is materialism
degenerate? ROFMAO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>63802710
>The music that influences people
why does /pol/ have this idea that people live by what they see in movies and hear in songs? why do you think that only you can separate reality and entertainment?
>>63802668
dude its nothing against blackpeople they fucking pioneered old blues and jazz n rock which are fucking GOAT. The shit they're into now is fucking degenerate man through and through. What is really funny is how egotistical most of these fuckwits are. Which truly makes no sense at all because they're not great artists or musicians like their ancestry
>>63802786
Sure it makes sense. There are few people that don't get complacent once they achieve something really grand. Such as making several million dollars and selling tons of records.
>>63802786
Blues and jazz was considered degenerate in the 30's and 40's though. By the Nazi's.
>>63802775
because /pol/ is retarded
>>63802713
You're probably talking about "conscious" hip-hop, in other words, hip-hop about how "whitey is keepin da black man down".
>>63802727
>>63802742
It's not only about quality, is is about the values that the music promotes.
>>63802775
The average moron believes everything the media tells him.
>>63802875
Music doesn't dictate values. Current values that are prominent dictate popular music.
Anyways, do you even listen to hiphop? Because the shit about whitey keeping the black man down is bullshit. While there are many references to past slavery, not many artists spoke about current racism, except against white cops (which was a real problem back then, however much you despise that idea).
>>63802786
It's because of the shitty fucking environments they live in. It's the culture they've been exposed to for decades. It honestly saddens me when people just see rap and everyone associated with it as utter shit, only adding to their already fucked up culture. They're not gonna stop rapping and you're not gonna stop calling it shit, it's like a perpetual cycle not solving anything.
>>63802939
"Whitey keeping the black man down" is not just the police, but white people, as exampled in this very thread, calling rap shit made by niggers and thinking everything they do is worthless compared to people like Taylor Swift who are safe and pop. Look at the people who were protesting Beyonce for her Super Bowl performance
>>63801803
>lyrical, mellow, melancholic, but at the same time sort of cheerful kind of hiphop
literally describing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bxkp3hpGdU
>>63802786
>old blues and jazz n rock
which NEVER had ANY songs about hedonistic pleasures or braggadocio by the artist, right?
>>63802786
>>63802976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOFC7hA4XnY
>>63802875
>You're probably talking about "conscious" hip-hop, in other words, hip-hop about how "whitey is keepin da black man down".
no, i'm talking about hip hop that's about anything but what you said. thanks for continuing to prove how far from being well-versed you are in this subject matter.
>The average moron believes everything the media tells him.
no, nobody is really like this. everybody has critical thinking facilities. this is a retarded generalization to make you people feel like you've figured something out when you're watching alex jones instead of cnn
>>63802976
yeah but it had emotion behind it man
>>63802943
yeah i know they have shit homes etc big woopy, the fact they want to associate with that shit culture is hilarious. Rap/hiphop has a couple more years before it will be killed off
>>63803070
>Rap/hiphop has a couple more years before it will be killed off
>what planet does he live on????
even if all black people stopped making music tommorrow it would still go on
>>63803070
>emotion
all music has emotion, stop reaching to justify everything you criticize rap for when it gets pointed out that other genres do it too
also have fun watching rap definitely not die out in the next couple years like you seem to think it will
>>63803001
I like how you think a lot of people use critical thinking skills. Its funny, because we see that fail to happen in many cases. This thread is a good example of that.
>>63803259
But you're making all the dumbest posts here lol
>>63803112
of course it wont just stop being made but it will be replaced in the mainstream for sure, its dried up and not cool or new anymore. Its for the greater good anyway, right now its over saturated with people who don't have a passion for music or artistry, they have a passion for the things that come along with it, fame money etc. Anyway once its kicked to the curve a lot less people will stop aspiring for it, thus you'll be left with the ones who can truly make good rap/hip. You'll see.
>>63803179
Sure it has emotions, very basic/primal ones. Nothing really special. I dont think i have ever been brought to tears by a rap or hiphop track. Its very largely lacking in musical inspiration thats for sure. It will die out of the mainstream man its inevitable, im actually surprised it has lasted this long. Im not saying people will stop making it, it just wont be the mainstream thing any more
>>63803307
Who do you think I am? Your assumption is pretty dumb too.
>>63803391
the guy who that post was directed at, or are you just entering into the conversation by replying to a post directed at somebody else without doing anything to make it apparent that you're a different person?
>>63803384
>I dont think i have ever been brought to tears by a rap or hiphop track
that may be because... wait for it... YOU DONT LIKE RAP/HIP HOP. i've never been brought to tears by a country song, that doesn't mean country is emotionless garbage, it means that i dont like it.
>right now its over saturated with people who don't have a passion for music or artistry, they have a passion for the things that come along with it, fame money etc
just as much of bullshit as the notion of people who believe everything the media says. you can't succeed in any industry with just a passion for fame and not what you are actually making
>>63802974
Beyonce is a cunt tho
Police escorts everywhere but shes got cheek to make an anti police song
>>63803468
The second thing. The part about critical thinking skills was funny based on the posts here.
>>63802550
>muh degeneracy
>>63803472
Yeah it's almost as if it's possible to recognize the need for bodyguards that an international celebrity has while also being against police brutality... now who isn't thinking critically?
>>63803472
Beyonce is a prime example of "I'll sit in my tower and tell you how much I relate to you down on the street." Very few stay in the hood and give back to the community they come from.
>>63803535
Yeah, you NEVER hear poor black people complain about police, her head is in the clouds!
>>63803384
genuinely curious to what music stands to replace rap and hip hop in the mainstream when its so assimilated that it literally is the pop culture of the day
anything from hip hop subculture becomes pop culture in america very quickly now
I can't think of any genre that competes with it in that regard
>>63803582
I think he just wants to believe it's dying for his own personal comfort lol
>>63803561
That wasn't the point and you know it. Besides the song, what has she done? How much of her money has she donated to help the cause?
>>63803692
Its not dying, its becoming common and "pop" where it isn't cutting edge anymore.
>>63803468
>hat may be because... wait for it... YOU DONT LIKE RAP/HIP HOP. i've never been brought to tears by a country song, that doesn't mean country is emotionless garbage, it means that i dont like it.
Its not that i don't enjoy rap or hip i grew up when it was becoming the thing man, it just doesn't have the necessary things needed to continue. Right now its dried up and pretty embarrassing. I think the only people who would be brought to tears by country would be drunk red necks lol
>just as much of bullshit as the notion of people who believe everything the media says. you can't succeed in any industry with just a passion for fame and not what you are actually making
You are fucking kidding me right? You cant honestly believe this friend.
>>63803582
Something new we haven't experienced before will take the stage. Definitely will have influences but it will be something original. It will essentially raise the bar whilst also inspiring people to make similar music, thus begins the process of the ridding the mainstream of hiphop/rap
>>63803714
An amount that I suspect falls short of your arbitrary standard for how much it should be
>>63803741
There's been mainstream rap since the 80s, that hasn't done anything to weaken it as a cultural force
>>63803781
Stop taking the genre's temperature by turning on the radio then... what do you see as moving into the void that rap is leaving? cause really I don't even see the void
Also new things don't just appear, that's not how culture works. We're not just gonna reinvent the wheel musically, what happens next will be a progression of what's happening now like it always has been
>>63803781
Also I don't know how anyone who isn't a teenager DOESNT believe that. There are obviously phoned in projects in lots of artists' catalogue but nobody actually makes it not caring about the art at all
>>63803792
No, I just want to know if she is, because many others have done things specificly for their community and still live there.
>>63803692
It is dying man. It happened to rock n roll it'll happen to rap and hip hop, it'll be replaced then morph into various obscure shit. Right now you're seeing the last dregs of the dried up genres. We the human race love new things, thats why rap and hip hop became popular in the first place. Alas though finally it is coming to a close.
>>63803855
I am not judging rap/iphop by the radio standards but by the overall. Rap/hiphop will be replaced, it doesn't have the things needed to continue on. Yes you're absolutely correct, what happens next will be a progression of whats happening right now and whats happening right now is shit so logically what will follow shall be pretty fucking good. All throughout history mankind has been on a musical roller coaster of ups and downs. At the moment we're in a down state
>>63803901
ok then smart guy, how about varying degrees of appreciation for art? I'm sorry but most of the stuff these days really feels like they their appreciation for art is piss poor
>>63803781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPC9erC5WqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o4Zj98FeX4
and even when this hypothetical next level music you can't name cast hiphop back into its subculture status
the work has already been done with rap being a huge part of the US cultural export, again THE WEST as a whole could stop making rap today and its already been such a strong part of globalization that its influence is multiplied by EVERY OTHER country that integrates it into their pop culture
there's literally no other subculture thats been coopted and sold as well as hiphop and you aren't even able to point to the beginning of a scene that could rival it
KPOP is the only thing I could think of that could compare to hiphop in its prevalence but even KPOP has pretty much just absorbed hiphop into the popculture and korea is peddling this shit all over the world VERY WELL
>>63804073
Rap is propped up by racism. The whole "Black Culture" idea. The same was said for Blues until enough white people latched on.
>>63804073
>Rap/hiphop will be replaced, it doesn't have the things needed to continue on.
you said this already and if you aren't going to elaborate on what those things are ui'm going to dismiss it as meaningless
>what happens next will be a progression of whats happening right now and whats happening right now is shit so logically what will follow shall be pretty fucking good. All throughout history mankind has been on a musical roller coaster of ups and downs. At the moment we're in a down state
do you have any arguments that aren't retarded generalizations or you mistaking your tastes for the objective quality of genres?
>>63804137
Black Culture wouldn't be as prevalent as it is throughout the world if african americans could easily assimilate into american culture
you're correct when you say it's propped up by of racism because its music created out of desperation by people trying to integrate themselves into the mainstream culture but can't because that same culture has marginalized and isolated them for hundreds of years
thats like saying Zionism exists because Jews are racist, totally ignoring the fact that suffering genocide and forced exodus is part of their legacy, no shit they're going to become militant
>>63801803
death grips
because they are happy to not be poor anymore, and because said materials may garner them some respect in their communities. More well off white people are the same way, in a less urgent sense, we just think we're deeper when we make music.
>>63801845
West coast was preety average besides ice cube and pac.
>>63804603
e 40, too short, mac dre, snoop...
>>63801771
because, historically, getting rich enough via a hip hop or athletic career was the only hope many rappers had of making it out of the hood. ever heard the song "if i had a million dollars" by barenaked ladies? kinda like that, but instead of white canadiens the message is for black people
