"Rock music is dead. Rappers are the new rock stars. They're edgy, they have attitude, they flash around stacks of money, they ride around in a limo with girls hanging off their arms. I mean, we all love that, right? They make you want to be them. The point is that rock stars aren't supposed to be 'ordinary' people. And then at some point along the way, they became ordinary people. And the music got bland, it got boring, it sucked, and people stopped listening to it."
>>63487633
Shows how out of touch he is if he thinks rock was only about being edgy rockstars
>washed up hair metal frontman thinks people still care about him
kek
>>63487665
fucking this
real rockstars were people like jimi hendrix and jim morrison
gene and the rappers he's referring to are just faggots
>>63487700
Kiss really weren't that though, in fact their prime career predates hair metal and if anything they were one of the influences on it.
>>63487704
no, gene is a faggot
>>63487704
The Who.
Seriously, they were like a comet crashing into the Earth in 1971.
Gene Simmons is like the Donald Trump of music.
>>63487704
>jimi hendrix and jim morrison
>>63487830
we'll call them rockstar faggots, then.
>>63487912
He right you hip hop wigger faggot
>>63487912
I have no idea what you're trying to convey with this
>>63487732
They were, that's true. That's why the unmasked '80s albums are amusing, since the band was going full circle and channelling the guys they originally influenced.
The thing is, by the time a band becomes what GS talks about, they're already a Spinal Tap parody of themselves and on the way out. That's what the Rolling Stones looked like by the mid-70s and why the kids abandoned them for punk. They stopped being real and became out of touch jetsetting celebrities.
>>63487633
Gay. He's right but it's not a good thing.
>>63487912
i know they're obvious dadrocker le wrong generation choices, but they make my point
>>63487704
And what about the 40 years between then and now? Rock didn't end in the 70s
>>63487933
If anything, 70s Kiss were a lot more raw and dangerous than the safe, harmless pop rock group for 11 year olds that they'd turned into by the Reagan years.
>>63487633
Who gives a fuck what Gene Simmons thinks? The guy is the biggest fucking whore in the music biz, both literally and metaphorically.
Kiss will never be anything but a fad band. Gene Simmons is nothing but a businessman who marketed Kiss to the public by pumping out a shit-ton of merchandise and creating doofy fashion statements for the fans to imitate.
>>63487995
>>63488051
I do think it was mostly Gene's idea to market the shit out of the band. Ace Frehley seemed like he always just wanted to play rawk and he became increasingly disillusioned at the direction they were going by Dynasty.
>>63488077
Which is funny, since you look at some of that Frehley's Comet stuff, you'll find it's even poppier than unmasked KISS. Real good singer, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQE1NIHsDKs
>>63488077
If you'd seen interviews with them from the 70s, Gene nearly always goes into businessman mode. You can see what his vision for the band was even at that early stage.
>>63488115
Ace was the only member of the band with a real hard rock pedigree anyway. Peter Criss was from a pop rock background and Gene and Paul were just a couple of fugly nerds who started a band because they couldn't get laid in high school.
>>63488284
I don't really follow them, but Bruce Kulick's my favorite KISS member desu, so that probably says it all.
>>63487912
"yeh fuck that dadrock xD I wanna hear indie shit about my feels being a burb brat is hard xDDDD"
>>63488332
Of all the guitarists they've had, none of them can really play Ace's stuff properly. They just can't get the groove and tone right.
It's always been suspected anyway that Paul Stanley is a closet case because he's never been married and he never discusses his personal life. He's still almost criminally underrated as a writer of pop songs.
>>63487633
>black empowerment
/pol/ was right again
>>63488362
And? I'm sure that Eddie Van Halen could not properly play Jimmy Page's stuff or Page play EVH's stuff or Joe Perry play Keith Richards's stuff.
>>63487633
He's just never gotten over Nirvana.
"To me, the great thing is, corporations are out of the rock music industry. Rock can get to it's basics, become raw and more artist driven like Slash said. It's very easy to sit there with ProTools, AutoTune and a cute little pop-tart in a skimpy outfit and regurgitate basically the same bland song over and over again. At the end of the day when people want real music, actually played by people that comes from their soul, it's going to be a more gratifying experience for the artist and the fan. Rock ebbs and flows and we have to remember when rock started, it was underground. Now it's back there and controlled more by the people who make it. Less profit driven corporations mucking it up."
>>63488876
Yeah he does talk out of both sides of his mouth. I know that Gene did really hate the slicked-back pop rock of the late 80s and he said Appetite For Destruction was a huge breath of fresh air back then.
>>63487732
They were literally 100% style and 0% substance. Their fans actually take pride in that fact.
>>63488876
He talks shit about corporate rock and then gets triggered because piracy eats into his huge royalty checks
as much as I fucking hate gene, strutter is such a fun fucking song
>>63487633
actually i was impressed by this childish quote when i was 17, now i know its 1000% bullshit
ITT: Classicist feelfags who think that making popular music is about anything other than looking cool, having fun, leading the party, and sex.
Spoiler alert: that's what it's about, and that's what it's been about since Fats sat at his piano and Ike sang about his Rocket 88.
were all 70s dadrockers frustrated actors or what
>>63488899
"Rock and roll by definition can't 'evolve'. It is what is. A couple of guitars playing to a loud backbeat. We're not doing anything different than Chuck Berry did in the 50s. It's loud, silly, and fun and that's that. Chicago didn't do anything to advance the state of orchestral music the way Duke Ellington did, not can some major creative evolution like Miles Davis playing modals happen in rock."
-- Charlie Watts
>>63487633
I wish Gene Simmons were dead
amirite fellas?
>>63488891
>>63488876
>Rock can get to it's basics, become raw and more artist driven like Slash said.
And he shit on Nirvana for doing exactly the same thing.
>>63489055
I think Mick Jagger was anyway.
"I'm a natural showman. I love getting up there on stage and there's a lot of things I could do, I simply choose to do rock-and-roll. I just happened to come up in the right era and have the opportunity to do what I'm doing. If I'd been born into my father's generation, I'd probably be a stage actor or a jazz musician or a bandleader."
>>63489147
It's not that, but Gene seems to think rock should be AC/DC-style good-time-fun and not whiny diaper gravy First World Problems.
He's right until he starts talking about the music. Rock isn't edgy anymore. I mean sure there's still things like black metal or death metal but even that I don't think is as shocking these days as it used to be. The big rappers right now do tend to have personalities that alienate people and attract others. Rock isn't generally about sex and drugs anymore and for someone like Gene Simmons he just doesn't get it anymore and doesn't see the appeal when what it was like when he was doing music isn't how it is anymore. This goes for a lot of other aging rock stars too.
>>63488924
Which is anyway a Paul song.
>>63489291
I think we reached about the maximum possible edginess level we could get in the 80s-90s with death metal, GG Allin, Marilyn Manson, gangsta rap. It's not really possible to get more edgy than that without raping babies onstage or something.
>>63489291
It is and I also think GS doesn't understand how the Internet works or why the 60s-90s was a fluke era when recorded music was worth $$$ when it hadn't been before 1965 or since the turn of the millenium.
They got incredibly lucky back then due to the giant baby boomer population creating a huge music market as well as a proliferation of formats that meant you could sell people the same album over and over on vinyl/cassette/8 track/CD etc.
>>63488924
It is and has a really neat Ace solo.
>>63487633
The funny thing is he was one of the worst commercial "shock" rock bands to ever exist.
Man, I hope the trash bag is big enough for this steaming pile of opinion.
>>63489320
Paul was a better vocalist and a better songwriter than Gene, also he didn't completely pack it in and give up after the 70s. By the 80s, Gene was barely even trying anymore. Paul kept trying to improve his craft and get better while Gene was just interested in acting and managing cabaret singers.
so wait, are you all here implying that rock's not dead?
>>63489995
As a mainstream, commercial format, it sure is. American Idiot was the finale, the end of a 40 year stretch of mega albums that began with Sgt. Pepper.
>>63489291
Him and Don Henley are just butthurt old faggots who don't understand how the modern world works.
>>63487995
I'd say Alice Cooper really lost his edge by the 80s as well. Shit, he stopped being dangerous after he left his band in 75 to become solo.
>>63488334
>I'd rather listen to music about being a douchey british junkie
literally 90% of dadrock prove me wrong.
It's kind of sad that a world famous musician of all people would dismiss a genre entirely. Then again it's fucking KISS of all bands. They're garbage. As someone on reddit put it, they were the side salad of rock music.
Most genuine talented musicians have nothing but praise for hip hop.
>>63490180
Why are we even listening to Gene when John Cale the God has embraced hip hop
>>63490178
"I liked the music of the '50s. In fact it's better than a lot of what's out today (1979). In my opinion, one really good, heartfelt song about a guy breaking up with his girlfriend is worth more than 20 albums of English rock put together."
-- Frank Zappa
>>63488985
....aaaaand filtered.
Dee Snider called him out on his shit already. Nikki Sixx also called him out for his extremely tasteless comments on Robin Williams and how people with mental issues should kill themselves.
>>63490225
Gene is a washed up hack. KISS was never a great band. I can't believe they ever reached the height of popularity that they did.
>>63490227
Frank Zappa is such a contrarian shit holy god. If there was ever an archetype of smug hipster he would be it.
>>63490266
He was just being a huge nostalgiafag there. If he'd been born in 1960 instead of 1940, he'd be saying how much better 70s music was than the present.
>>63490250
Dee Snider is great. He's actually an incredibly smart guy.
>>63490266
>David Bowie
>"We were listening to a lot of Kendrick Lamar," says Visconti. "We wound up with nothing like that, but we loved the fact Kendrick was so open-minded and he didn't do a straight-up hip-hop record. He threw everything on there, and that's exactly what we wanted to do. The goal, in many, many ways, was to avoid rock & roll."
>>63490297
Except when he claimed the MTV unplugged fad ruined heavy metal. Wha...you think Led Zeppelin or the Stones were any less of a band because they did acoustic numbers?
>>63490302
That is true and the real talents are the guys like Mick Jagger who have a very wide musical palette and listen to a little of everything.
>>63490311
True. Although in saying that, I think in general celebrities are overly criticized unnecessarily. So he said something stupid? So what? I say stupid things every day. So do you. So does the person next to you. I think it's unfair that the media holds things against celebrities that they've said in the past when the same doesn't happen to the average person.
>>63490321
>he real talents are the guys like Mick Jagger
>are
>implying he isn't a washed up has-been
>implying he's released anything in the last 25 years anyone gives a shit about
>>63490311
What exactly did he say?
>>63490346
I meant in his prime, not in 2016, you stupid...
>>63490346
Washed up implies that he's a sellout hack doing anything to make a buck. Stones pretty much just tour these days and have fun.
>>63490370
>Washed up implies that he's a sellout hack doing anything to make a buck.
weeeeeeeeew laddy
>>63490381
Good argument.
>>63490355
"The way the record industry works is 'If one's good, a hundred's even better.' So as a result, you ended up with the W bands, the Whitesnakes, the Wingers, the Warrants, the White Lions. And it became so processed and so...refined that it became pablum. And then it got even better because now every metal band starts doing acoustic sets. Thanks a lot, Tesla. I mean, what's metal about that? MTV had this unwritten thing that you weren't a serious artist if you didn't do an unplugged set. That's real extreme. I'd like to see Paul Simon or Tracey Chapman plug into two stacks of Marshall amps and ride the lightning."
>>63488575
>He's still almost criminally underrated as a writer of pop songs.
He's literally one of the single biggest rock stars of the 70s.
>>63490395
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
>>63490368
Well then why the fuck did you use the present tense, you dickface.
>>63490419
>>63490413
I meant he doesn't get the credit he deserves from music critics because they've always hated Kiss since day one.
>>63490440
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
Mick loves making $$$ but heck, at least in their day they were a seminal rock band. Kiss were kind of always a joke.
>>63490443
But KISS are fucking terrible though. Saying your favourite band is KISS is like saying your favourite book is Mein Kampf.
>>63490455
>>63490440
>>63490455
>>63490451
>dat hivemind
The bottom pinball machine is from 1979 (notice the horrible disco graphics). The top one is newer but IDK exactly how old.
>>63490470
>favourite
Since I'm guessing you're a Britbong and Kiss were just laughed out of the UK when they toured there.
>>63490311
It's a totally valid opinion to think that doing acoustic ballad numbers isn't metal. I doubt the guy has any problem with acoustic music as it is, but it probably was pretty baffling for him to see most of his glam metal peers follow suit and doing that one cheesy love ballad per album after years of singing about sex and drugs over distorted riffs. I don't necessarily agree with him, but I understand.
>Wha...you think Led Zeppelin or the Stones were any less of a band because they did acoustic numbers?
Good point but those aren't very good examples. Zeppelin and the Stones were never metal. Some people lumped LZ in with early metal, but their fans always knew they were different.
>>63490519
Why would you assume I'm British?
>>63490502
Brand new, I just pulled it off Google images.
>KISS merchandise - "Sellouts! Hacks!"
>Rolling Stones merchandise - "Real talents! Just having fun!"
>>63490519
Even in their heyday they were largely laughed at in the US too.
>>63490553
>getting mad about garbage dadrock
stop
>>63490541
Americans aren't in the habit of randomly dropping Us into the middle of words. That's a Bong or a moose fucker thing.
>>63490573
Man, they were one of the biggest touring acts in America in the late 70s.
>>63490591
Australian actually to clarify.
>>63490534
Metallica: We're not gonna do a ballad. We're not gonna do a ballad. We're not gonna do a ballad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnKpE4NCI
Pfffff.....
>>63490601
Well, Kiss didn't tour in Australia until 1980 after they'd died out in North America, but they were new to Australians and attracted huge crowds. Shandi from the Unmasked album became a huge hit and since then they always play it when touring down there.
Their 83 tour in Brazil was also huge and they played in Rio in front of one of the biggest crowds in their entire history as a band.
>>63490642
Are you a biased KISS fan or something? They made garbage music. I don't see what you're trying to prove here.
>>63490180
>Most genuine talented musicians have nothing but praise for hip hop.
Spotted the cuck.
>>63490534
Green Day aren't even metal, but their handlers really didn't want them to do Time of Your Life. They were all like "Oh no no no no what are you doing? Don't unplug!"
And it became one of their biggest hits. So...meh,
>>63490716
Good argument. Well thought out. Intelligent. Mind blowing.
>>63490302
Visconti is a fucking beta cuck who can't handle a manly handshake.
>>63490642
Nobody's saying that Kiss wasn't huge. I'm saying that Kiss was largely laughed at/not taken seriously especially compared to many of their peers at the time. They mostly appealed to really young people who were still mesmerized by fireworks and edgy face paint.
>>63487633
The jew is right. That's why new rock is dull and only dadrock sounds cool. Hair metal took it too far but grunge took it too far back the other way, and it never recovered. Pic related.
>>63488115
I went to the last two Ace tours over the past couple of years and that dude is truly a god. I saw KISS a few times but man Ace has something. He just knows how to do it.
Well, my dad was in college when Kiss were first out and he said they were kind of a joke among serious music fans, yet everyone was curious and wanted to interview "those makeup dudes who never show their real faces."
Of course all the collegefags during the Ford administration were into prog and Bruce Springsteen and stuff of that nature.
>>63490783
See now, if this was set in 1988, you'd just replace Nickelback with White Lion and same thing.
You have 10 seconds to name a rock band from the last 25 years that is both critically acclaimed and culturally relevant. Please note that commercial success is not synonymous with cultural relevance.
Impossible Mode: No Nirvana.
Oh wait, you can't.
R.I.P Rock
Please note:
>The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta, Franz Ferdinand, The Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis, Bloc Party, The Libertines, Blur, Pulp, Suede, and Interpol are not culturally relevant, all of them are fad artists associated with a certain 3-5 year timespan with no real longevity or standing cultural relevancy. You're not going to hear their music being played at a high school dance or have a large number of normies sharing them on Facebook the way you would a contemporary hip hop artist like Drake or Kendrick Lamar
>Jack White is not a culturally relevant artist. Seven Nation Army may be a culturally relevant track but having only one culturally relevant track indicates a lack of longevity and thus a lack of cultural relevance as artists.
>Muse, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, Tool, Kings of Leon, The Black Keys, Pearl Jam, Green Day, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Blink-182, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Mumford & Sons, and Red Hot Chili Peppers are not critically acclaimed.
>The Flaming Lips, Sufjan Stevens, Tame Impala, The National, The Hold Steady, Dinosaur Jr, Deerhunter, Mac DeMarco, Porcupine Tree, Beach House, Ween, Titus Andronicus, Bon Iver, Pixies, Spoon, Pavement and Modest Mouse are far too niche to be considered culturally relevant. This is also true for all metal.
>R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen, and U2 have not been critically acclaimed in the last 25 years.
>LCD Soundsystem, Radiohead and Arcade Fire are not rock bands
>>63488726
Nirvana and that unplugged shit opened the door for Gene to rake in the shekels with Kiss unplugged and then makeup reunion. That shit was good too.
>>63490783
This picture looks like something one of those bitter rockists would make
>>63490820
Automatic For The People came out less than 24 years ago. What now?
Funny true story. When my uncle was in high school (this was around 76-77-ish), he was in this record store and some 11 year old is looking at a Kiss album and he says to him "Mmmmnah you really don't want that. Here, have some Alice Cooper instead." The kid happily took the album and went off to the cashier to buy it.
Apparently that AC album (I forget which one it was) included a free pair of women's panties in the sleeve. Yeah I'm sure that kid's parents' reaction must have been priceless.
>>63490820
RHCP and Green Day didn't have huge blockbuster albums in the 90s-2000s that every teen in America owned?
>>63490872
They weren't critically acclaimed.
>>63490302
Bowie invented so much of le edgy rock. He definitely invented KISS.
>>63490884
90s Green Day wasn't critically acclaimed? Ok you have a point that the critics detested their 2000s stuff but that doesn't change the fact that AI was the high school soundtrack for an entire generation of kids.
But after 2005, rock just kind of went pfffff.....
Can someone post the story where Jews try to jew Gene Simmons but they find out he's one of them?
>>63490894
Bowie, Alice Cooper, and going back to the 50s, Little Richard and Screaming Jay Hawkins were the very first shock rockers.
>>63490921
I don't remember the details but he was at some business conference and they said in Hebrew "We're going to take this goy to the cleaner." and he replies back (also in Hebrew) something like "That makes two of us."
>>63490297
TS fuckin rock man. Check out Dee shooting off an UZI at the crowd fucking wild! xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9L4a-ykh4
>>63490761
That's not true, KISS are a massive influence both image and sound.
It's like Grand Funk Railroad. They were pretty huge in the early 70s, sold a lot of records, but who talks about them anymore? Also the critics loathed them.
The point is that you may hate music critics but they usually have a pretty good idea of what artists are putting out cutting edge stuff that will still be talked about in 40 years and who'll be forgotten in 10 years.
>>63490819
White Lion weren't that popular though.
>>63490951
top kek
>>63490266
>contrarian
>hipster
buzzwords make you a faggot, try not to use them so much
>>63490994
They were a big influence on 80s rock, absolutely. One of the main influences in fact.
>>63490999
"Music critics love Elvis Costello because they all look just like him."
-- David Lee Roth
Sure, Kiss continued putting out albums in the 80s-90s but none of them ever approached the musicianship, groove, or tightness of the first six records. Stuff like Gene and Paul's vocal harmonies and the intricate bass line in Detroit Rock City just weren't there anymore by the time you get to Asylum.
>>63491024
>unironically quoting David Lee Roth
>>63491055
Say what you will about Van Halen, but DLR was actually surprisingly on the ball.
>>63491060
Also considering what a laughingstock Van Halen became with Sammy Hagar. Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uiqgwUs1l4
vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtXq-v9XoMc
The latter sounds like it belongs in a car commercial.
>>63491015
Their image and stageshow was also a huge influence on metal, still lives on in the black metal corpsepaint thing and neogoth thing.
>>63491024
That's fucking funny and true, and probably explains a lot about Nirvana.
>>63491044
Kiss was just a magic combo that rose from the combined talent, egos and personalities of those four guys. Other bands come to mind like The Police, who also had a massive douche in the band who also was probably a big reason for their success.
>>63487633
You forgot the part where he actually says rock music is dead because no one buys his records anymore.
>>63491024
Eh, if he was implying they liked EC because they looked like nerdy betas too and felt like they could relate to them unlike the attractive and popular DLR then that's a bit of a stretch. It might have something to do with it for some of them but I'll bet many people just thought he wrote better music.
Gene is just a faggot. Whining about illegal downloads is silly anyway because Kiss were never big album movers to begin with; their bread and butter has always been live shows. I could understand Don Henley's butthurt a little more since his band had one of the biggest selling records of all time.
>>63491189
The New Wavers like Costello were exactly that. Nerdy guys who mostly did social commentary instead of cockrock. They were the antithesis of sweaty, balls-out rock like AC/DC and Van Halen.
>>63491210
Different target audience as well. New Wave mostly appealed to hipster college students, basically it filled the niche occupied by James Taylor and Joni Mitchell 5-7 years earlier.
>>63491210
And yet AC/DC were some of the ugliest mugs to ever become rock stars.
>>63491105
Hagar-era was a yachtrock joke.
>>63491256
MTV is really what made looks important and a lot of bands just couldn't make the transition to music videos because they were too fugly. Guys like Alice Cooper and Dave Coverdale who had naturally good looks had no problem with it.
>>63490820
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
>>63491105
Aw, I love Light Up The Sky. Easily one of their best songs and sadly unappreciated because it wasn't released as a single and they never played it live after the 79 tour.
>>63491266
Also the Roth-era band were absolute demons live. Hagar was like a cardboard prop on stage despite being the much better vocalist.
>>63491210
Devo had a lot of sex songs though.
>>63488891
>>63488923
>>63489147
Just to clarify Gene didn't actually say that
>>63487830
>The Who
kek
>>63490302
FUCK YOU CAPTAIN TOM
>gene simmons
his best work desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpCJsNAJaE
>>63491256
Ausfag here. It's pretty sad that people claim AC/DC as one of our own when almost all the band members were born in the UK. Brian Johnson didn't even live down here when they hired him.
>>63490612
Fade to Black, bro
>>63491269
And Dio really hated music videos but he still was no knave and during the 80s gradually acquired more and more hunky 20-something guys in his band. 12 year old girls aren't gonna wet themselves over dudes that look like their dad.
>>63491266
You really like bringing up the Top of the World thing with the car commercial, don't you? As the other guy said to you a few days ago, it was a single that were clearly written with maximum commerciality in mind, but there's some good melodic hard rock meat in the album cuts on those albums.
Plus you're comparing a heavy album track with a pop single, that's just silly. At least put Light Up the Sky with something in the similar vein like Judgement Day.
>>63491295
Ed in retrospect said it best, really; "We lost a frontman, but gained a singer".
>>63491280
You'll probably dig this. Billy also did a good cover of this with Yngwie and Doug from King's X for one of those Bob Kulick tribute albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MzkNvxklU
>>63491389
Getting Rowan Robertson was a stroke of marketing genius on Wendy Dio's part that might well have worked had grunge not hit the next year.
I could swear when I was a kid that I actually did hear the intro to TOTW in some TV commercial. That riff seems somehow so familiar...
>>63490921
>Chaim Witz (Hebrew: חיים ויץ; born August 25, 1949), better known as Gene Simmons
OYYYYY VEYYYYYY
>>63491389
As opposed to Sabbath who kept hiring their contemporaries from the 60s-70s that, while good musicians, didn't have a lot of sex appeal.
>>63491413
It probably was (I know that Right Now was used on a few commercials and still gets played today at NHL and NFL games), but the riff to Top of the World is just Ed ripping himself off and recycling the guitar part in the last few seconds of Jump.
>>63491400
>Plus you're comparing a heavy album track with a pop single, that's just silly.
Man, even the more commercial tracks from the Roth era like Running With The Devil are heavier than anything Van Hagar shit out.
>>63487704
But both of them were absolutely edgy for their time and had crazy parties, did insane amounts of drugs and fucked women daily.
At the time they had "the life style".
>>63491425
Lock up your daughters, Cozy Powell's jowls and Tony Martin's receding hairline are coming to get ya!
>>63491413
"Test drive the 1994 Toyota Corolla at your local dealer today."
>>63491374
Come off it cunt, AC/DC started in Burwood they're an Aussie band all the way.
Even Judas Priest went and hired Scott Travis in an attempt to get younger.
Aerosmith's comeback was an odd exception since they were fixed lineup and didn't have youth on their side, which is more a testament to Desmond Child's song wizardry.
>>63491442
Yeah nah, pure pop fluff like Dance the Night Away and Little Guitars isn't as heavy as Get Up and Judgement Day, to name two.
Hell, even in 1996 during all that garbage surrounding the reunion; Humans Being is much heavier than Me Wise Magic (Though neither of them are particularly interesting songs to begin with).
>>63491474
I like it how the past dozen or so posts in this thread are basically just the Sabbath thread from last week.
>>63487633
Gene's brand of rock star sucks. His brand is the fluffy haired guy who's music is all gimmick, no substance. The guy you're supposed to be impressed by because he shows off his cars, women, cloths, and houses in music videos. Then he ends up on VH1 'Where Are They Now?' talking about some 20 year old grudge towards band mates they still haven't gotten over, the glory days, and their rehab. You always see the types trying to stage comebacks with new line ups even though their genre was a cheap fad and they just get a crowd of fifty-somethings going through midlife crisis at their greatest hits gigs. Sad.
It's like this. EVH has always seen the band as a family business and he was really pretty resentful that Roth got all the publicity/magazine covers/interviews. He always wanted a frontman that would be his obedient puppet and he got it with Sammy Hagar.
For a while anyway, not once Hagar left and now talks shit on Eddie every chance he gets (read his autobiography to see what I mean).
>>63490820
By your stupid green text criteria, virtually no music act is culturally relevant.
>>63491514
EVH is a real fag piece of shit.
>>63490250
Man, even Nikki Sixx sounds a lot smarter and more like a grown adult these days than Gene Simmons. He's matured a lot in his outlook on life while Gene still thinks he's 25.
>>63491523
Well, then again Roth is also a classless piece of shit. And Sammy Hagar. And Alex Van Halen. In fact I'm sure Michael Anthony is the only non-douche to have been in that band,
>>63490820
>LCD Soundsystem, Radiohead and Arcade Fire are not rock bands
I'll give you LCD, but art rock and indie rock are definitely a thing you know. BTW by your own definitions, Modest Mouse should be on the same tier as Jack White (one relevant track).
>>63491514
Oh, don't get me wrong, I adore his Paul Rodgers meets Lou Gramm vocal style, and happily listen to a good portion of his music (I'd put the Montrose debut in my top five albums of all time, and FUCK is my favorite VH album after the debut), but I'm not going to try and start defending Hagar on a personal level or anything. I've read his book, and really, he's an absolutely disgusting human being. The way he treated his first wife kinda really says it all about what kind of person he is.
Honestly, Mike Anthony and Gary Cherone are the only people involved with Van Halen that don't come off as being complete and utter scumbags.
>>63488575
He's currently on his second marriage and has like 4 kids.
>>63490321
LOL Right... All they did was some bluesy rock with a dark gritty sound. It was fresh at the time, but now he's just a washed up junky talking about his money because his money is all the value he has in our culture anymore.
As for talent, dude was just the lead singer... are you one of those people who thinks the lead singer IS the band and that the musicians and producers don't play a big role?
>>63491544
exactly! it's the perfect cover
>>63490370
No it doesn't. Washed up implies he ain't got shit anymore. Fuck, they were always over rated, they only had a handful of really great songs, but really capitalized well on their image.
>>63491514
>For a while anyway, not once Hagar left and now talks shit on Eddie every chance he gets (read his autobiography to see what I mean).
"By 1995, Eddie would spend all day stumbling around in a trench coat like a homeless person and drinking cheap shiraz straight from the bottle. It turned all his teeth black. I'd say to him 'Don't you want a glass for that?' and he'd tap the side of the bottle and say 'It's in a glass.'"
>>63491566
Isn't that quote from the 2004 period? Hagar's clearly a complete liar in a lot fo regards, but Ed was legitimately completely fucked up at that stage. I feel bad for people who actually paid for tickets to the 2004 and 2007 tours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnYvIfG9Vb4
>>63491546
Jumping in here but Jagger was more than just the singer. He was a great songwriter. You don't need to be a virtuoso instrumentalist to be a great composer.
>>63491546
It was a combination of Mick's stage presence, business savvy, and eclectic music tastes and Keith's sweaty blues rock groove that made them a household name.
And being in the right place at the right time to capitalize on a gigantic baby boomer-fueled music market.
>>63491580
His performances got a lot better once he cleaned up and Roth returned, except now Roth is a total burned out joke who shambles around stage like he's 90 years old and has no voice left.
>>63490534
The problem with Metal is asshat Metal fans try to shut bands into little boxes with rules about what 'real' Metal bands are and are not allowed to do.
There's a reason the guys in Tool for example don't like being called Metal. Metal is a list of dogma and sectarian rivalries you have to adhere to or else any of your fans who are Metal will throw a temper tantrum and stop liking you over one song or one photo shoot, a haircut, a single line in an interview. It's a subculture built on conformity while pretending to be the counter culture outsiders to scare normies. Metal as you Metal fans have made it, is lame.
>>63487633
That's pretty funny coming from one of the biggest sellouts in the industry.
>>63490612
All that should matter is whether or not the song is good. Metalica started sucking when Metalica started sucking, not when they did one thing or another that offended Metal sensibilities.
>>63491607
Yeah, Ed's clean and playing great again, but now Roth's fucking atrocious. I mean, Roth was never a great live singer, but now he's not even a good frontman. That said, he's out of contract with the band now, and it doesn't look like it's being renewed (They still can't stand each other, unsurprisingly), so it makes you wonder what's gonna happen now. Some luthier in LA was repairing a few of Ed's mid-80s guitars a few months back, and Ed told him that "I sure as hell want to play some of this stuff live again". I doubt Hagar and Anthony are coming back anytime soon, so I wonder who'll end up fronting the band?
>>63491592
As Xgau said, "It's always been my theory that great rock-and-roll should be able to make you sit down and think in addition to dancing."
That was true of all the giants like the Stones, Zeppelin, and The Who. Aside from energy, they also had insightful songwriting.
The other kind of bands like AC/DC and Kiss never pretended to be great songwriters. They were just about partying and getting nookie and didn't claim to be more than that.
>>63491367
underrated post
>>63490534
Judas Priest had acoustic numbers, although they were all in the 70s and AFAIK they never played any of them live.
>>63491624
Tool are just special Metal snowflakes
>>63491637
Well, you see when Roth left in 85, he took most of the band's management with him. He was working from a position of strength back then. When he returned in the late 2000s, he was a broke, washed-up loser who wasn't in any position to bargain, so now Eddie could safely guarantee that the guy was completely under his thumb and wouldn't fight him.
Sammy Hagar for comparison is loaded with money so Eddie can't have the same level of control over him.
>>63491607
>His performances got a lot better once he cleaned up
And also got hand surgery. Him and Tony Iommi both used the same specialist in Germany and it helped both of them a lot to get back on track with their playing.
Decades of grinding the axe along with poor personal habits catches up to you. And then you end up like this.
>>63491669
They worked hard, you have to, to be a snowflake in a dessert. I respect that more than some band with a name I can't pronounce who's album sounds exactly like the album of the other band with a name I can't pronounce, with silly Satanism imagery because scaring old ladies is fun, but hey if they keep it Metal it's all golden... yeah, not sure how 'real' Metal bands are anything but lame.
>>63491637
It's sad when Mick Jagger in his 70s runs rings around DLR live.
>>63488362
>someone under 40 made this post
>>63491637
>I mean, Roth was never a great live singer, but now he's not even a good frontman. That said, he's out of contract with the band now, and it doesn't look like it's being renewed (They still can't stand each other, unsurprisingly)
Eddie just needed him back long enough to do a couple Greatest Hits tours and milk nostalgiabucks out of 45 year old mullet-wearing manbabbies. Now that that's done, he's ready to show Roth the door and move on to his next project.
>>63491677
>Well, you see when Roth left in 85, he took most of the band's management with him
Yep, plus Ted Templeman defected as well, which was a big coup on Roth's part.
When you look at some of his initial candidates for the gig to replace Roth, it's no real surprise that EVH wanted a second banana as opposed to a rival after battling with Roth's ego for years. You had Jimmy Barnes, who was a big deal in Australia with Cold Chisel, but a complete unknown in the States; and Eric Martin, who at that stage was effectively unknown outside of a small cult following in San Francisco. Then Patty Smyth later on, but were Scandal ever really that big apart from a few songs?
Interestingly enough, Hagar claims that Ronnie Dio auditioned for the spot, though I'm honestly rather cynical about that, particularly when you look at some of the other shit he says in that book. Glenn Hughes also claims that Eddie offered him the position outright, but then retracted it after spending a night out with him and seeing just how bad his coke addiction was. Again, I'm extremely cynical about that, considering it's not really even the most outland-ish thing Hughes has come out with before.
>>63491607
I remember reading about that show from the 2009 tour in Texas where they refused to turn up the air conditioning because it would bother Roth's throat and no AC in a Texas summer is not fun. Roth was absolutely awful, looked like a shambling zombie, and for some reason they also had Kool & The Gang opening. They were great, but the audience wasn't moved and I have no idea who thought that was a good idea. Aside from being tangentially from the same era, I have no idea what K&TG has to do with Van Halen.
>>63491731
Also Eddie in 1982 threatened to leave Van Halen and join Kiss, but Gene and Paul didn't want another strong personality that could challenge their creative control, also they preferred to hire unknowns to preserve Kiss's "mystique".
>>63491691
Keith lost his ability to play years ago but he's never publicly acknowledged his extremely obvious hand issues and he also won't do anything to make playing easier on himself like a lighter-weight instrument or lower tension strings.
>>63487633
He is entirely right.
>>63491755
Paul Raymond from UFO claims that Ed auditioned to replaced Michael Schenker around 79-80ish, and was offered the job, but reconsidered and turned it down at the last minute. I wouldn't disbelieve that, knowing how volatile the band relationship in VH was.
>>63491779
>>63491691
He has a condition known as Heberden's Nodes which make it hard to play and especially do chord shapes, but it's not painful. I assume Keith figures that as long as his condition isn't actually causing him any physical discomfort, he can just pretend it's not there.
>>63491624
As much as it's popular to hate Slipknot, Corey Taylor seems like one of the few metal guys who's chill and somewhat grounded in reality (metal is one of the worst genres of music for having delusions of grandeur).
>>63491829
Was never into them, but yeah... Metal is this thing where I want to like it because I like the heavier and darker sounds, but god damn Metal culture is shit. It just seems like lately ether you listen to Metal or you listen to this really soft Alternative rock... some of which I like, sure, but what ever happened to hard rock?
>>63491624
So exactly like punk. NOTHING is as bad as punk fans.
>wear your Mohawk too high
You're a faker, you aren't really punk.
>wear a Mohawk in the first place
You're a faker, you aren't really punk.
>play songs with too much melody
You're a faker, you aren't really punk.
>play songs that are about having fun instead of whining about Republicans
You're a faker, you aren't really punk.
I remember that documentary about the Bay Area punk scene that Green Day came up in and how this one local venue screened every band's lyrics and if they didn't like them, you couldn't play there. Green Day were one of the bands that was excluded from the place and apparently Blink 182 also were on the no play list because their songs were too fun and not whiny enough.
>>63491854
It's Ironic, because now Green Day are famous for whiny lyrics. What a world we live in.
Anyone who puts image above love of music is a faker in my books. Fuck counter cultures.
>>63491854
Oh well, joke's on them because Billie Joe Armstrong now lives in a mansion and has sex with supermodels every night while the guys who complained about them in the Oakland club scene back then are in their 40s and still live in their mom's basement.
>>63491910
And now he gets to inflict his vocals on all of us. We should have thanked Oakland, they tried to stop this from happening.
>>63491854
>I remember that documentary about the Bay Area punk scene that Green Day came up in and how this one local venue screened every band's lyrics and if they didn't like them, you couldn't play there
My sister knows this one local club that some new kids took over and it's the same thing. You may only play here if your lyrics have been pre-approved to determine if you're truly punk.
>>63490820
This absolutely has to be a troll I'm laughing so hard at how restrictive this is
Well done
Also
Weezer
>>63491854
>>63491910
Yeah it says something when those clubs kicked out two bands that went on to sell millions of albums and have their videos played on MTV all day.
>>63491514
There's home movies and pics of Eddie and Sammy in the late 80s hanging out and bicycling and stuff. They were definitely much more friends than Eddie's relationship with DLR which was always more a business partnership than anything.
>>63491996
By the sounds of it, Hagar and the Van Halen brothers seemed to run hot and cold right from the onset. They'd best buddies on Monday, but more or less getting into fistfights on Tuesday, and this would go on for the entire week. The three of them all sound like temperamental nutjobs, honestly; which was no doubt wasn't helped by how much they were all drinking and snorting.
>>63491044
Gene couldn't even be bothered to do anything but play the root note by the 80s while the 70s albums would have Paul McCartney-esque "walking" bass lines.
>>63491157
All the guys they had in the 80s onward were basically treated by Gene and Paul as plug-in hired help and not really part of the band. Even during the reunion in the late 90s, they made it clear that Ace and Peter were hired help and had no say in any of the band's creative or business stuff.
>>63491425
>>63491447
Sabbath couldn't even get laid when they were 25. Ozzy said the only groupies at their shows were the weirdest, ugliest slags.
>>63492188
Yeah, but it's funny that despite the fact that he was constantly gunning for mainstream success in '80s America, apart from one brief period in the middle of the decade, Iommi kept on hiring his contemporaries, who were all other middle-aged Brits who varied from completely normal looking to outright unattractive.
>>63492249
Yeahyeah the late 80s-early 90s were back when everything here was thrash metal and BS looked and sounded like dinosaurs left over from the 8-track tape days.
>>63491456
He's right. Bon Scott's songwriting was heavily inspired by his experiences in the Aussie club scene and after they had their international breakout, they had to water it down and make their songs more generic to appeal to non-Australian audiences.
>>63491691
Actually, those are just Heberden's nodes, indicative of osteoarthritis. Keith just needs some calcium.
Culturally and intelectually some rock are better than hip hop. Certain rock are better than hip hop. A few hip hop are good, in a certain mood, but overall music that glorifies thuggerism, braggaddocio, pimpism, bitchism etc etc, is very shallow and poor, In the other hand the music of Pop Rock like The Beatles, only talks about loving girls, romance stories, and thats beta male sometimes, but thats normal to be. The alternative is listening some Radiohead and go back to the refined portion of music (appreciation), but if you're a blogger, critic and music maker you are obligated to listen these trends, what people is listening, mainstream etc. to "understand" the culture....
But we all know the shit is fucking ridiculous.
>"le rock is not true unless its edgy"
Come on, we are talking about rock, not fucking black metal here
>tfw can't wait to listen to drill music once my gf leaves
Holy fuck doesn't she have someplace to go
But that quote specifically is talking about a genre that are talking to the "youth". Underages and youth adults loves teen pop, pop rock... Hip Hop just exploded and are super present in the hits now... EDM, ringtune rap, trap raps.... This is this mainstream music. Not necessary "rock n roll "- rebel thing....
>>63493640
The guy did heroin until he was past the age of 60. He's not exactly a model of clean living and good personal habits.
Also this was covered in >>63491805
I remember Keith Richards on Conan not long ago and I was still blown away at how energetic and mentally sharp he was after his age and lifestyle habits. Johnny Winter by his 60s seemed to barely even know where he was.
He's right. No one wants to hear some loser with a fucking guitar whine about shit. Rap is empowering for men. Let's be honest we all want to have the balls these dudes have. They get pussy and have shit loads of cash.
>ITT people complain about whiny hypocrite Jews
Parasite is a sweet jam and it's all Ace except the main verses and drums.
>>63490820
The Rising is one of Springsteen's most acclaimed albums you butthead.
>>63493881
>Rap is empowering for men.
not at all, most are just idiotization
