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which is best?
Scaruffi, I guess. Melon and P4K are basically the same, and Christgau has the worst taste of all time.
Scruffay > Christgau > Anthony Mandingo > Pitchfork
christgau easily.
Andownie Fagtano and Pitchfork are retarded but they actually talk about the music instead of unrelated trivia. So them.
>>63256980
>>63256984
too bad scaruffi doesn't review recent albums
Christgua with no doubt
Melon is a Pleb and a cuck
Pitchfork is a joke
And scaruffi is just a dumb old rockist
>>63257020
Pitchfork actually talk about the music instead of unrelated trivia
Hmm?
>Pitchfork have been paid off by pop music labels to promote the poptimist agenda
>Fantano's metal and punk reviews are shit
>Don't know much about scruffy
>Christgau is legitimately retarded
I'd go with fandango though.
>>63256969
Fantano followed by Scruffy
the rest blow
>>63256980
>>63257098
>>63257100
why is Christgau is so bad for you guys?
>>63256984
this
Scruffy is by far the best
>>63257138
probably because he wrote something not so nice about their fav artists.
Aids > syphilis > having my limbs cut off with a rusy fork >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christgau = Scruffy >>>>> p4k > irrelevant youtube vlogger #326,578
>>63257188
are you fine?
Mark Richardson from pitchfork is great. Chris Ott was good. Their decade lists, columns, some other editorial stuff is nice. Use pitchfork as a resource, but not as a way to keep up. In fact, don't even bother to keep up. Christgau is a great writer although his critical faculties have weakened with age. Scaruffi is awkward in translation and has shitty pretentious views on evaluating rock. Total shit. The Melon doesn't have a clue either. Surface level observations, has never made me interested in an album through what he has to say. Basically Pitchfork had/has a number of good writers and interesting features but they've gone to shit since they gave up promoting their own perspective.
>all these people mad because christgau didn't like their favorite dadrock/indie shitter bands
>>63257257
>>63256969
tmt imo
>>63257138
he gave my favorite album a scissor
>>63257138
he unironically likes Soulja Boy
Do people unionically actually care what Shane RayWilliamJohson Dawson thinks?
Might as well get your music recs from Watch fucking Mojo.
>>63257377
osula bjoy is a madafacking innovator bitch
>>63257377
And? You don't?
Scaruffi > Fantano > Christgau > Pitchfork
>>63256969
Scaruffi looks more aware of what he's talking, has a much more knowledge of music history in the west.
Fantano is quite impressive for his age, and still try to be independant of his score and gives good description behind his scores.
P4K is obvisouly making biased ratings on whatever is trendy at the moment.
I never understand Christgau rating. Seems like a guy who make ratings depending on how his day has been shitty or not.
>>63257480
>P4K is obvisouly making biased ratings on whatever is trendy at the moment.
>Fantano doesn't
Le MAO
Jazzthreadguy > Hampus > Turny > Poly > Christgau > Scaruffi > p4k = Fantano
>>63257138
He thinks M.I.A. is the greatest thing ever
>>63257480
I have to agree with Fantano, he's only 30 and he knows his thing pretty well.
None
>>63257530
T. jtg drone
proanelwings >>>>>>>>>> rest
My opinion >theirs
>>63257542
m.i.a. is clearly one of the better artists of recent times. xgau is spot on.
Scaruffi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fantano>Pitchfork>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christgau
mu hates xgau
xgau is actually by far the best critic
makes sense
>>63257504
>>Fantano is dissing Kanye West since MBDTF
>>dissing Tyler the Creator since Goblin.
At least I give him credits for not jumping on the bandwagons.
>>63257656
your logic is just totally perfect.
>>Everyone hates him, he must be great then!
>>63257583
This. She's very underrated. Christgau really helped me appreciate her.
He's particularly insightful on artist he loves.
>>63257692
shut the fuck up bitch i dont give a fuck about logic
Scaruffi the most patrician.
As an italian guy I can read his website in its entirety. His writings in his native language are generally better, too.
all garbage. i'm my own critic. i know what's good and what is not.
Christgau is fucking great:
Animal Collective: Painting With (Domino) Pomo neocommunalism's snazziest joke band keeps the laffs coming .("FloriDada," "Recycling") **
>>63257078
scarifi does this
>>63257288
wayne isn't shit though, hatefag
Christagu is great.
>>63257138
He shits on King Crimson and prog in general
He shits on Anco too
And he's right, they are both hot garbage.
Fantano...not joking
>>63257312
he's listened to too many albums, he knows too much about music. he can no longer make physical contact with a woman's skin. he does it for us...
I remember Fantano liking that absolute awful post-hardcore band called Pile so
Scaruffi > Christgau >>>>> p4k >>>>>> Fantacuck
>>63256969
TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND HEAR THE LAMENTATIONS OF THEIR WOMEN
1) The Melon Drop
2) Pitchfork
3) Christgau
4) Beatles Copypasta Man
>>63257071
>rockist
It's funny most people say this when he has said before he prefers Classical and Jazz
>>63257364
Solid kek
>>63257530
Is this Turnys last.fm?
http://www.last.fm/user/turnyqx
>>63259424
>no Death Grips
>no Kanye
>no Animal Collective
>no Grimes
Embarrassing as fuck
>>63257386
RYM is literally /mu/
Scruffy > Fantany = Pitchfork >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Man with the shittiest music taste of all time.
Seriously he gave a D+ to ITCOTCK and an A+ to fucking Neon Bible.
>>63257188
>Aids > syphilis
No way man, syphilis is the shit
just looked at Scaruffi's site for the first time after reading this thread. I don't know what he's saying in French, but whoever did the English translations obviously did a horrible job.
My only conclusion as to why most of you guys are into him is because he gives lower scores to mainstream music than most other critics and its cool to dislike stuff that lots of other people like.
Do I understand /mu/ yet?
>>63256969
someone who actually discusses the music without trying to sound like a self-congratulatory smartass
so none of those
they're not even fucking entertaining like Prindle
utterly useless
If any of your opinions are influenced by any of these guys you are a plebeian.
>>63256969
Fantano. Fuck the haters.
>>63259983
Scaruffi is good because he actually values innovation and originality. He doesn't just hand out 9s and 10s to indie rock because "it made me FEEEL!" or "IT BUMPS IN THE WHIP!"
and the whole myth that he hates mainstream music is bullshit, he has praised plenty mainstream artists (Bob Dylan in the past and Kanye West recently) and if you actually read his full Beatles article and not just the pasta part you will realize that he acknowledges some good things they did, he doesn't hate them he just thinks they are overrated, their fans are idiots, and they weren't as influential as people claim (all of which is true).
>>63259592
kek
lets get real for a sec here-
http://www.markprindle.com/
>>63257692
>)
> /mu
> everyone
try harder
>>63260317
my favourite reviews
http://www.markprindle.com/davis.htm
>>63260154
The Beatles are in my 20 favourite artists but I must say this is not (not true, by the way)
>>63257078
This
I can't remember which album review it was, but I was reading one and the first paragraph was all about the lead vocalist and how he's 'like that one friend who no one likes but is always just there, you know bro? He carries a negative vibe with him and it brushes off' or something
>>63257386
>rym
wow this opinion gave me cancer
thank you
Scaruffi by far, then Christgau
p4k isn't even worth rating
Scaruffi by far
make a top 100 for fantano/xgau/p4k and it will look like a joke compared to this one
>>63261768
What's up, Dad
>>63262249
what's up, miscellaneous pleb with garbage taste in music
>>63262249
How many dads that their favourite albums are from Joanna Newsom, My Bloody Valentine, Slint and Mercury Rev do you know?
>>63257138
Holy shit, this guy is a riot.
>Millions Now Living Will Never Die [Thrill Jockey, 1996]
>Obviously not stupid, which I can understand means a lot to them after their troubled childhoods, these guys are the class of the American post-rock cough cough hack hack movement ptooey ptooey. But I would direct their attention to the British band Mark-Almond, a now forgotten jamming unit that achieved real sales and a measure of hip around the time they were born. Not that I necessarily think these "eclectic," consciously unspacy, all too unhurried soundscape improvisations are destined for the same degree of obscurity. Patterns of culture have changed, and in a boutique economy, this shit, like all other shit, is probably here to stay. Still, there are surer roads to posterity. Best moment: the lead bassline, lifted directly from "Poptones" (by PiL, kids). B-
There's no way I could hate this guy.
Has Scaruffi ever given a note higher than 7 to a metal record?
scaruffi > Fantano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christgau
>>63257138
Because his tastes aren't completely predictable like p4k, fantano, and scaruffi.
>>63265020
type o negative
>>63265020
yeah he loves metallica
Marcel>Everyone else
>>63257386
Say what you want about how pitchfork rates music, it's still the best way to find out about relevant new releases. Not based on scores, but by whether or not they decide to review an album. Also RYM is complete ass, it's just people from /mu/ and reddit who think that they can write a decent review (they can't).
test
>>63257480
>Scaruffi looks more aware of what he's talking, has a much more knowledge of music history in the west.
Hahahaha noooooooooooo. He has wikipedia tier knowledge of music and is completely biased towards avant garde music from the late '60s and the '70s. He doesn't really have much knowledge of music, he just learns enough to write a semi-coherent ramble-y speculative essay. He's good at academic sounding writing, but he's really bad at actually researching things before he starts typing up essays/reviews.
I agree with your opinion of the others though.
>>63256969
Scaruffi> Fagtano= P4K > Big Quint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christgau
>>63257138
Kid A- "Dinner Music"
Loveless - "Scapel against bone"
Death Grips - "Skrillex sans fun"
Big Black- "Hitler Youth Rejects"
David Bowie- "Middle brow"
Shonen Knife - "The problem with the Japanese is that they don't know the difference between a Ramones song and a Wrigley commercial. But we do, or should, and these are Wrigley commercials"
these are horrible criticisms of the music. some of them are positive reviews, but the problem is that the criticisms fail to accurately describe the music.
Scaruffi's negative review of Kid A, in which he describes it like a carcass that has taken in new stenches, is at least a fair critique in that Kid A is (1) often sedate and (2) borrows heavily from krautrock, Mingus, Disney, etc. Kid A is not, however, dinner music. You couldn't play "Idioteque" or the end of the "National Anthem" is some classy restaurant. That doesn't even make any fucking sense.
he doesn't understand the world of difference in electronic music between dubstep and glitchy hip hop. I don't think he understands electronic at all. He doesn't get shoegaze either. probably both of these is because it's too loud because he's so damn old.
The Big Black/Shonen Knife ones are particularly egregious, because he calls Big Black racists when they are not (they make music ABOUT racists, like Taxi Driver is a movie ABOUT a racist but Scorsese isn't) and then he slanders all Japanese people and their ability to make music.
and of course he likes to suck the dick of the music that has aged poorly from the 60's when he wasn't decrepit like Janis Joplin and Bob Dylan. fuck him. he's an out-of-touch old man and that's it
scaruffi's scholarly methodology appeals to me the most. his attempt to trace the historical development of rock/pop music and highlight its most aesthetically significant works is admirable, and puts him a few leagues ahead of all other rock critics.
christgau is a a talented writer with a good sense of humor, but there's no discernible methodology to his rankings. his style is distinctly visceral as opposed to intellectual (though he himself is obviously an intelligent man), which has its time and place.
don't know enough about fantano to comment
p4k is utter shit, solely for plebs who treat music as a fashion accessory
bonus round:
prindle has fairly limited tastes, but when he's writing on styles attuned to his taste (typically punk/metal/alt rock) he's genuinely insightful, plus his silly sense of humor can be refreshing
starostin is just prindle lite with more straightforward taste but i kind of like him anyway
bangs provides highly articulate and insightful commentaries with a distinctly 'gonzo' style. the most overtly literary rock critic, and my #2 behind piero.
allmusic is a great populist resource
>>63265020
off the top of my head: type o negative, neurosis, earth, godflesh, sepultura, metallica, slayer, korn
>>63265288
>Queens of the Stone Age
>Metal
>>63265288
Kyuss, Guns n Roses and Aerosmith arent metal
>>63261768
Unfortunately you could only really make a list for Fantano that only includes contemporary music since. I'm sure if he made a comprehensive list of albums he likes going back as far as Scuruffi I imagine their tastes would align for the most part
>all these fags hating on base xgau
shit taste
>>63266385
>Kyuss aren't metal
lol
>>63256969
this thread was originally titled:
WHY ARE MUSIC CRITICS ALSO KEKS?
Scaruffi's an old grump
Christgau also has high standards but also knows when something is good
>>63266977
This
>>63267977
literally the opposite
Christgau > Fantano > Pitchfork > Scaruffi
With sizable gaps inbetween
>>63256969
They're ALL the best, because they DO their best.
can someone post each of their all time favorite albums
>>63266316
>korn
JUST
>>63257480
Yeah, Fantano, for being so young, esp for his reviews when he was 25/26 years old, is impressive and while sometimes his reviews make you scratch your head, his descriptions are usually clear.
He also makes it clear (for the most part) his biases, like favoring harshness thats similar to his late teens taste, or disliking most dream pop
just also wanna add that p4k is completely controlled by PR payoffs, in case there's that one guy out there who hasn't found that out yet
>>63268902
I know scaruffi sister trout mask replica
>>63256969
Chris Ott
>>63256969
Of those four (though Pitchfork has multiple writers; it's not exactly fair)? Christgau by far. It's not even a contest.
He's the only one that has any idea of how to convey himself in an interesting way. My taste isn't all that similar to Christgau's, either. You don't have to agree with someone to find them a good critic.
>>63256969
Christgau >>> Pitchfork >>> Fantano = Scaruffi
>>63256969
Marcel
>all this love for Scaruffi, an absolute charlatan
>>63265988
>Bob Dylan
>aged poorly
>>63261359
Well depending on the context it could actually be nice way to describe the work to the general public.
For example if reviewer wanted to say that vocals don't fit the atmosphere of the album all that well but are overly present it would be pretty good.
On the other side if it was simply a description of vocalist as a person, then there's hardly a place for it in an album review, except if vocalist is known for being an arrogant prick who is aware that he's holding the band down.
I dunno which band you are talking about though, but you gotta know that some work can't be described without also talking about artists image (Kanye, Lady Gaga, Ghost BC... I guess we'll have to deal with it even when it comes to Swans because of recent events)
>>63265988
Your problem is you assume Christgau actually takes himself seriously. He doesn't.
>>63256969
Mark Prindles Better than all of them. too bad he quit
>>63256969
meat eater > vegetarian > vegan
>>63269126
this. its just a shame he doesn't write or make videos anymore. his tweets are based though
>>63256969
I try not to listen to critics. I don't really like Christgau and disagree with his taste, Anthony is the same but pitchfork is sometimes alright.
I mainly read scruffy 'cause it's funny how pretentious and wanky he can be, but sometimes it feels good when he reevaluates my tastes.
:^)
>>63256969
The ones that aren't desperate for nigger cock
I hate them all, especially Christgau and Pitchfork, BUT
Melon>Scaruffi>Christgau>Pitchfork (literally the worst thing happening to music right now.)
>>63265425
To Pimp a Butterfly 10/10 right? XD
>>63256969
Christgau.
Scaruffi is a pompous ass, p4k is severely hit and miss and Fantano relies far more on his charisma than his ability
Fantano desu fampire. They all suck, but Anthony seems to be the least pretentious.
>>63269173
i knew i'd catch flak for that line
i'm sorry but phrases like "Jingle Jangle Morning" and "Papa's bankbook" sound like something my grandpa would say. Folk music about the lyrics, and his lyrics are often hardly timeless, swamped in the idioms from his day.
And not just the lyrics, but the textures sound dated too. He writes music like he wants to go back to Woody Guthrie in '65 when the Who is so far ahead with they're developing the proto-PUNK with My Generation. I'm not saying that people can't write folk music anymore, but with most folksy-rock acts in Dylan's mold today, there seems to be an acknowledgement that the electric guitar and subsequent revolution to popular music's DNA happened. Dylan wants to just ignore all the innovation and look backwards IN HIS OWN TIME, to say nothing of everything that's happened since then.
How can you write a song ("All Along the Watchtower") and have it sound antiquated WITHIN THE YEAR with a cover from Hendrix?
>anthony fanmytano
tiny mixtapes >>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest > fantano
>>63268205
>>63266977
I doubt Fantano knows who 75 percent of the artist's on that chart are.
>>63270269
Fantano is pretentious as fuck, have you seen his twitter or his second channel?
>>63256969
Christgau
Fantano = AngryJoe (pure cancer)
Pitchfork = Gamespot
Scaruffi = TB or SuperBunnyHop (pseudo-intellectual cancer)
Christgau = Yahtzee
>>63273712
>video games
fuck off nerd
Christgau is one of the worst reviewers of all time. He seemed to have the male/white guilt thing down decades before it became popular.
Also, both Lou Reed and Sonic Youth sang hate songs about him. I defer to Lou and Thurston.
>>63273755
where do you think you are :^)
>>63273796
I think I'm on a music discussion board, not an autistic kid daycare.
>>63273801
>implying you cant mention anything else than X on an X board
>implying you´re not the one bringing autism here
it´s a nice bait though maybe some underage fagets will fall for it since you´re going full tourette :^)
>>63265236
dropped
>>63273844
if you play video games you shouldn't be here
video games are for kids and autistic manchildren
they are wasting a generation and they are not art like music
>>63272230
I'm a much, much bigger fan of Hendrix than I am of Dylan (barely at all) but Hendrix' version of All Along the Watchtower is the most overrated song/performance I know about. Whenever someone gushes about it they just seem like massive plebs to me. It's entry tier Hendrix and not even close to his best.
Also Dylan's version is way underrated. Not super amazing or anything but much better than people give it credit for.
>>63274282
if you unironically listen to music you shouldn't be here
musics are for kids and autistic manchildren
they are wasting a generation and they are not art like games
*fix´d :^) jk its fucking autistic that you cant like more than one forms of entertainment and have to pretend like you belong somewhere if you miss out entire genres of fun
speakin of games pic related has IMO dope OST
>>63274359
>:^)
stop fucking doing that, it doesn't make you right
music is an art form that has been around for thousands of years and requires actual intelligence to appreciate
video games are trash anti-intellectual entertainment
>dope
kill yourself
>>63273801
>a music discussion board
on 4chan
Scruffles > Christgau > P4k > Needledrop
>>63264641
How many people with good taste that their favourite albums are from Joanna Newsom, My Bloody Valentine, Slint and Mercury Rev do you know?
Literally none.
>>63262249
The Doors and Bruce Springsteen are the only things resembling dadrock on there.
Scaruffi doesn't know shit but he understands what makes good art good, unlike those other critics. And by critics i mean complete frauds.
>>63274305
>entry level
>they just seem like massive plebs to me
hendrix isn't boris or brian eno or some shit. hendrix has three studio albums. how the fuck is his discography even big enough to have "pleb tier". I didn't say that it was Hendrix's best song (I don't think that). But please, enlighten me as to what is GOD TIER Hendrix
And anyways, I don't see what any of this has to do with what I'm saying about Dylan
>>63274393
>video games are trash anti-intellectual entertainment
As opposed to rock music?
>>63274393
Can you post some of the intellectual music for intellectual people like yourself that you listen to?
>>63256969
Piero by far because he's not a poptimist, a rockist, or a for-profit corporation.
>>63274692
>enlighten me as to what is GOD TIER Hendrix
Pali Gap, Tax Free, South Saturn Delta, You Got It, The Sunshine Of Your Love, Fire, Voodoo Child live, fuck most of Electric Ladyland is better than All Along.
>how the fuck is his discography even big enough to have "pleb tier"
It's that song, Little Wing, and maybe Purple Haze, but especially All Along The Watchtower because it's the one Hendrix song everyone knows (and often pretty much all they know) and praises into sky.
>I don't see what any of this has to do with what I'm saying about Dylan
You mentioned how "All Along The Watchtower" sounded antiquated the moment it got covered. I disagree. I'm not gonna touch the rest of the post because I never cared about Dylan enough.
>>63274858
>pleb just means popular
holy shit are you actually 15 years old?
>>63274878
They are the most shallow and accessible. The fact that they're the most popular is just a side effect of people not venturing beyond entry tier.
>>63274786
no I'm not gonna spoonfeed you
you want to find good music, learn to do it on your own and not as random anons on 4chan.
>>63275011
holy shit how new are you dude?
>>63275011
What's your education? Which university or conservatory did you attend?
>>63275068
Mass Bay
>>63275180
That's not very impressive, anon. Do they even have music education there?
>>63275180
why did you even answer that. that only stands to make you sound instantly like a psuedo intellectual
>>63265020
He gave a death metal album 8/10 and aoty last year.
called The Mother of Virtues or something. he seems to really like modern avant metal. liturgy, peste noire, gnaw their tongues are all stuff he's exalted
Scaruffi
>>63256980
>Melon and P4K are basically the same
this is not true
>>63257098
>>Fantano's metal and punk reviews are shit
I don't think they're that bad. His jazz reviews are horrible tho
>>63264801
This isn't a good review, he shits all over it and then gives it a B-
>>63256969
Christgau and p4k are absolutely terrible, the others are fine
>>63257466
exactly
Scaruffi
His taste actually has balls and can stir shit, his reviews actually describe the music and its effect. Not prefect, but the best of the four.
Melon is pewdiepie of music reviews
Pitchfork's reviews are either nauseatingly pretentious or simply useless.
Christgau has some personality, but his reviews aren't even reviews, they are comments.
None
Big Quint all the way
>>63256969
Scaruffi >>>>> Melon >>> P4K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christgau is somewhere below here
>>63269215
He fucking calls himself "The Dean of Rock Critics".
sputnikmusic
>>63264801
>Best moment: the lead bassline, lifted directly from "Poptones" (by PiL, kids).
He's either confusing "Poptones" with "Albatross", or he's literally (as in literally) tone-deaf.
Melon > Christagau > Sexual Offender > I hate being white
>>63278799
Which is a joke proclaimed when he was drunk.
>>63260154
>>63260816
ILL HAVE THIS SAVED PERMANENTLY FOR THIS VERY REASON.
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