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discuss prog
What's everyone's favorite solo album?
Are there any interesting prog albums coming out in 2016?
This is fucking amazing.
It may feel like it starts off slow but the final track is my fucking jam.
>>61145121
Steven Wilson is releasing one in January.
http://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/new-steven-wilson-album-4-%C2%BD-coming-in-january-2016/
>>61145174
>steven wilson
>interesting
pick one.
The guy needs to just stick to remastering classic prog rock albums instead of actually writing anything else.
>>61145174
How does he keep making stuff so fast?
>>61145159
They have some great stuff.
![1567627[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ds2QB9a.jpg "1567627[1].jpg")
>>61145174
well whoop-de-fucking-doo
listening to this atm, expecting it to suck but i actually like the keyboard solo on track 2. still seems vacuous
>>61145196
>>61145204
>>61145216
I mean I'm not really a fan of his solo work either, but you can't deny that he's one of the biggest names in prog, for better or worse.
>>61145121
I think Amplifier might have a new album coming out in 2016? Not really sure on that.
Any fans of Devil Doll here?
All of their albums are great, sounds like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum years before them
>>61145196
>>61145216
bullies
is there more prog mixed post-hardcore apart from mars volta?
>>61145591
Yeah
>>61145159
That one is GOAT-tier prog for sure. I love their For Girls who Grow Plump. Call me weird, but that album sounds as if Brian Wilson and made an album with Pink Floyd.
>>61145591
What the hell are those guys doing these days anyways?
>>61145663
> Brian Wilson and made an album with Pink Floyd.
I wouldn't say PF, but it's definitely very poppish. The Dog has such a great big outro, and Surprise is such a cute good pop song.
>>61145704
getting a drug stash large enough to make the next TMV album
>>61145704
>What the hell are those guys doing these days anyways?
Both have fallen off the map after their latest solo offerings completely flopped.
Cedric and Omar complete each other, without each other they're just two post-hardcore guys with zero direction and all the talent in the world they're just squandering.
>>61145704
>>61145751
They're in a new band.
http://antemasque.com/
>>61145822
i think he's saying that was one of the flops?
>>61146056
But it's not a solo offering.
this is really good, pretty catchy but also moody and atmospheric
manages to avoid the worse parts of both dadprog and avant-bullshit for me
i think it peaks on the first track which is kind of a shame, but the whole thing is still solid
>>61146428
downloading rn
>>61145121
gazpacho will probably have another one out by next winter at this rate
Which is better: krautrock, or prog?
>>61147045
krautrock is a really vague term
in general though krautrock focuses on some kind of meditative repetition or aimless jam sessions which I'm not really fond of
if i'm looking at old progressive music i want ~engaging dynamic compositions~
>>61147090
Interesting. I'm listening to Can right now and never became into Krautrock into now. Can't some parts of Krautrock have dynamic compositions though? Not all of it sounds like jam sessions, although I completely understand where you're getting that from
>>61147240
yeah, it's not a strict rule
krautrock often refers to a pretty wide german prog scene rather than a single specific style
I like a couple of the early Can albums
>>61147045
Krautrock isn't really a genre, but I would say as a scene, Krautrock (particularly Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, and Kraftwerk) was more influential and innovative than any of the Prog movements . "Better" is subjective aside from those criteria though. To me, King Crimson and Yes will always be more listenable and enjoyable than Faust I or Hosianna Mantra. I still love Can though.
>>61147307
Hmm, okay. Could you recommend me some prog you enjoy? The only thing I've listening to from the past would be King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Genesis, and Yes. Is Rush worth listening to?
>>61147395
Rush can get really cheesy, but at their best they were as good as the best English prog bands.
>>61147395
there's a lot of good prog in that vein you're familiar with, rush are more hard rock focused and lack the weirdness of GG (for instance)
american prog tends to be very influenced by Yes, like Yezda Urfa, PRE, Pentwater, Starcastle...
>>61147395
Rush is worth listening to allright, they're earlier albums leans more toward heavy prog rock, while their 80's stuff is more influenced by new wave, it's quite melodic with the synths, their stuff after the 80's to now is kinda a throwback to their earlier music with a more modern sound
>>61148388
they're being influenced by bands that influenced them... like dream theater
I listen to so much prog from the 70s, I don't really know whats what in modern prog. Can anyone post some youtube links of some of the better modern prog acts? Ideally post 2000's. I just want a nice modern prog primer, not just symphonic but definitely with some symphonic included. I feel like a nerd when I see all these modern prog groups being discussed and I'm just sitting here listening to Starless And Bible Black for the umpteenth time
>>61148415
listen to clockwork angels by Rush, it's a great album and a concept album too
>>61148100
Mirthrandir is another cool american band
>>61148472
yeah they're more on the GG side of things tho
>>61148100
do you like Starcastle? s/t has a lot of good songs on it. everybody absolutely takes pisses onto them for ripping off yes but the same people seem to be okay with flower kings and transatlantic doing pretty much the same thing
>>61148566
yeah they're fun as hell
i like Japanese 80s prog that goes way deeper into that twinkletoes synth territory (like Novela) so why wouldn't i dig Starcastle
So im just getting into prog rock, i fucking love pink floyd, yes, and king crimson. is my taste entry level or what? what should i be listening to, to understand the genre better? frank zappa? listening to dark side of the moon right now.
>>61148752
those bands you listed are great, people calling others plebs for listening to them are idiots, i recommend listening to some Genesis, emerson lake and palmer and Rush, these are bands formed in the 70's, if you wanna listen to neo-prog check out marillion
>>61148752
Its entry level, but who cares? If youre just getting into it, dont skip the popular stuff. Its entry level, but you are indeed just entering the genre. Which King Crimson have you heard?
>>61148818
anything i can find on youtube, i think Red is my favorite album of theirs. i used to have their discography but i got a new computer and lost it. every kind crimson album is different they might be my favorite band.
>>61148752
try looking thru these lists for more direction
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/TheTrueMithrandir/listening_to_the_future___mithys_big_list_of_prog/
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/RNG/a_journey_through_progressive_rock_and_related_genres/
gonna drone HerkyJerky until I have supreme prog knowledge
see you in a few years, friends
>>61148941
but you already did that avant-math-god
>>61148877
thanks anon
>>61148969
i hate that vapid cunt actually
>>61148976
im not cool enough to anon
>>61148941
HJ isn't the RYM prog expert though, that title goes to fastro. or chumlum, they both know their shit. chumlum is one of those avant-prog elitists generally but he does like some good symph-prog so his taste isn't all bad
>>61148415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVQHFHQu_r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czY2-526Ous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7oTDheNH04
>>61148752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HicYcY4Ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JEPeeohYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV-5iNu6Sd8
>>61148677
Care to name some? I wanted to get into japanese stuff more
Every one I've tried have really, really horrible singers
>>61149406
i like chumlum too
for some reason HJ's positivity and life stories are neat to me while most rym personalities aren't
fastro seems kinda dumb sometimes but that might just be because english isn't his first language
>avant-prog bad
>symph-prog good
you have that backwards :^(
>>61149533
Kenso are great
Ars Nova rule and are mostly instrumental
Mr. Sirius will be your shit if you like canterbury. personally too chill for me but well done.
Bi Kyo Ran are a King Crimson rip but they're a GOOD Crimson rip
Vermillion Sands have a good female vocalist
Gonin-ish are more prog metal but they have an incredible female vocalist as well as great keys. Jinbaika is one of my favorite songs in the genre so i've linked it below
also check out Teru's Symphonia, Social Tension, and Vienna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YHFDPq1_Ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AgQL6aivus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT6O4tZ4cWE
>>61149551
I like some avant-prog and hate a lot of symph-prog but avant-prog fans tend to have a really elitist attitude and forget that sometimes the genre is just cheesy fantastical pomp and it's ok to be cheesy fantastical pomp. It's ok to be fun, you don't need to sound like Webern all the time.
Full disclosure, I joined RYM thanks to chum and he's the first friend I had on there so I'm not ripping on him. Just saying that he has a bias towards the more weirdo side and that may not be best for someone new to prog.
Also Fastro's weird issues with English are pretty endearing to me. He's a total goofball but some of the stuff he says makes a lot of sense in some stoned way. His reviews are like the RYM version of Zen koans. I particularly like his review of Sheshet's s/t that just says "fruit music"
Given how experimental prog is, is there any that has guest rappers in to spit some verses?
>>61149699
OH how could i forget, i shared this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYz_K4zlS7c
Susumu Hirasawa's (of Paprika soundtrack fame) first band. Really excellent prog, shitty sound quality though.
>>61145591
Blue swan records has some artists that flirt with prog, closure in moscow and strawberry girls are from a post hardcore background but kind of a similar thing to tmv at times.
>>61149533
Try Naikaku, no vocals.
Holy shit, I may have finally found great 80s prog. Anybody heard of Djam Karet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpxnoVydE8
>>61149853
lots of japanese bands are instrumental
>>61149784
Goddamn this is great! Super energetic!
Will check the others
>>61149752
>I joined RYM thanks to chum and he's the first friend I had on there
cute
sometimes i wish i was in on the whole web of big rym users
i know you're both friends with cyghfer too and he's like the top speedrun cutie
>>61150009
actually i met chum thru the touhou scene, cyghfer i ended up adding because i talked to him on his stream and he mentioned having a rym. so does cak, the metroid WR holder
not close to any of them these days but thats the case for most of the people on my friends list. it's just a number, it being bigger or smaller doesn't say much.
>>61149895
i should also mention marge litch, who are a crossover between the japanese sympho-prog scene and the later japanese power metal scene. a lot of their members are now in alhambra, who have a very similar sound mixing symphonic prog and power metal.
>>61148969
Nah
>>61148984
Why though?
>>61149406
Fastro has listened to a lot, but his top choices aren't that good.
>>61149406
>avant prog is bad
baka
>>61149752
>avant-prog fans tend to have a really elitist attitude and forget that sometimes the genre is just cheesy fantastical pomp and it's ok to be cheesy fantastical pomp. It's ok to be fun, you don't need to sound like Webern all the time.
I have never seen anyone who has a fan of avant prog and acted like that
>>61151017
avant-prog is terrible
>>61151168
It's not.
Why do you say that?
What have you listened to from the genre so far?
It's one of the most diverse genres there is, so there should be a branch of the genre you should be able to like
>>61151017
>>avant prog is bad
>baka
um the next post you responded to states that i don't think that
>>61151249
Yeah, but I already typed that, and I was too lazy to delete it
>>61151230
>so there should be a branch of the genre you should be able to like
name them
>>61151376
Answer the questions first, otherwise I have no way to know what you would be able to like.
I don't usually gush over bands, but you guys HAVE to listen to Djam Karet right now. And I mean right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbEGngPzk4o&index=6&list=PLWko19wqgfZbUr2G4MewzbHe5u5u76hU7
After almost two albums having been listened to, their M.O. seems to be dark ambience with briskly paced, bass-driven groovy overtones with 80s production value. It's terrific and a worthy continuation of ideas put forward in 70s prog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpxnoVydE8
Listen to this, too.
Arcane announced their end earlier today.
Damn shame, Known/Learned was really good.
>>61145121
Dream Theater :^)
>>61145279
>Amplifier
My nigga
>>61152320
this one looks like it's going to be very fun to get drunk and take the piss out of
more so than usual DT somehow
>>61145591
Fall of Troy
Circa Survive
Gospel
>>61148415
Too lazy to post link
Try something from this chart based on your taste
>>61149406
>>61149551
I hate chumlum
He's typical avant-teen autist who rates great acclaimed albums low and gives high scores to a bunch of shitty Avant-prog
And he's a fucking weeaboo
>>61152383
>tfw you just don't have the time for music anymore
Prog and metal are pretty much the only rock genres I still listen to
>>61152495
i mean i can't criticize him on that front
touhou owns
Is there a better modern guitarist?
>>61152608
>liking Japanese mlp
Only kancolle is more autistic
>>61152641
How is a shmup comparable to a children's cartoon?
My transit ride to work is pretty long
Give me your favourite 20-25 minute songs you got. 15-19 is too short, and just makes another song play only halfway through. 26+ is too long and would make me late to work while sitting in the parking lot waiting for it to finish. 30 is right out.
>>61152641
I like him and all but his last solo release was 10 years ago, he should really do another
>>61152669
Transatlantic got a song that is almost 80 minutes long
Porcupine Tree got one that is35 and other that is 40 minutes long
>>61152641
touhou games have great music and offer a fantastic challenge
i dont fap to the characters or anything
>>61152669
He plays with the Aristocrats now
>>61152669
Yes - Revealing Science of God
Caravan - Nine Feet Underground
Focus - Eruption; Hamburger Concerto
Trion - Frank
Finch - A Passion Condenser
>>61152715
no no I need some right in that 20-25 range, for the perfect fit
Hel I haven't been able to listen to some of my fav 30 minute ones or stuff like TAAB because I can only really listen to lots of music now while driving
>>61152040
Well we still got Caligula's Horse at least
I guess Jim wants to fully focus on them since he got more success with them
>>61152725
>i dont fap to the characters or anything
We know cause you are gay
>>61152756
well the implication with comparing touhou to MLP is that all the fans are sexual degenerates
and, i mean, i am... but for reasons unrelated to touhou
>>61152669
Thick as a Brick part 1 and 2 ;)
>>61152743
>Yes - Revealing Science of God
this but Gates of Delirium
>>61153073
Never really got into any of the Relayer tracks. Sound Chaser is wonderful and catchy and energetic, although the solo guitar middle is way too long. To Be Over has good melodies but it seems like it's missing something. Gates is pretty good but some parts feel awkward, and to be honest I think Soon, while great as its own thing, is a weak ending and makes the song sort of lopsided.
>>61153350
Soon is basically my favorite moment in Yes' discography, honestly. It's such a refreshing break from the tenseness of the middle section. I feel like it's both their most daring and experimental, and their most lush and pretty, release.
>>61145159
Ooh neat. It's like a poppier Fairport. Thanks!
Here's a recent favorite.
>>61153656
Never been a fan of this band, and I love lot of things on Kscope
I know the whole Krautrock/Prog Rock thing is subjective and confusing.
But really anyone who likes prog rock, bits of krautrock and loves cheesy as shit albums needs to listen to Made in Germany.
It's basically a rock opera of German ancestry and it's so fun.
>>61145204
He's releasing a small EP consisting of songs that didn't make it on the album, if I'm not mistaken.
>>61145614
What did you think of Act IV?
>>61152756
Great album.
This is nice but feels too much like poor man's Riverside
>>61145060
what about rock progressivo italiano
>>61157136
From what I heard, fucking good.
>>61157136
Osanna is pretty fucking great.
Their Milano Cabrino (or however it's spelled) 9 album is perfect, and of course, if you're a DJ Shadow fan, you'll especially love one of the tracks
>>61157156
This are two of my favorite albums from the scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZZwrc-BNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iIK3fIlUuw
>>61157136
A R E A
R
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A
>>61157215
Backlogged Museo Rosenbach like 8 month, and haven't got to them yet. Ought to step up my game senpai.
Genesis vs Yes
Who had the better classic lineup and/or albums?
Also for shits and giggles let's talk solo stuff.
Currently listening to pic related's latest.
GOAT prog coming through
>>61157182
>Osanna
mah nigga, Palepoli is my shit
>>61145103
Where were you when Cardiacs invented Math Rock in 1980?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfWkDYdcnTs
>>61157493
Not comparable
>>61158030
I fucking love Cardiacs
Their re-release of The Seaside the other week was glorious.
In fact I IMPLORE you to get baked and watch Seaside Treats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOSajlnwpeA
>>61152405
My fuckin nigga
>>61157493
Can't decide
>>61152405
Haven't listened to Gospel, but God Damm Circa Survive and Fall of Troy are amazing.
Is Mr Bungle a prog band? I especially consider Disco Volante to be an avant-prog album. Also, what's some of the best avant-prog? I already like Henry Cow, Magma, Koenjihyakkei, Art Zoyd, and The Mothers of Invention. What else is good?
>>61158030
nowhere because i dont listen to a band where every song is the exact fucking same
>>61159649
I was going to say avant-garde or experimental. Bands I can name off the top of my head are Native Construct, Leprous, and The Gabriel Construct.
>>61159649
Depends on the definition of Prog.
If you consider Krautrock to be Prog, then yes, Disco Volante is Prog too.
>what's some of the best avant-prog?
Difficult to tell, since it's a pretty diverse genre.
What do you usually like in music?
>>61159722
Nice meme
>>61156233
Not the same poster but I thought Act IV was still good album although it doesn't really live up to the previous acts. It's way too upbeat to match up with them and some tracks sounds like it came off Migrant. The production was still gleaming and clean tho. Storywise, it really did ended abruptly where the pimp/priest blackmailed the protagonist then the album stops. Act V better come sooner.
>>61159771
stop shitposting avant math
>>61159649
prog is such a terrible name for half the stuff in the prog spectrum these days, the bulk of it is inspired by classic prog music but not conventional prog so almost anything these days could be prog if the band wants to label it as such.
OK Computer could be prog, Illmatic could be prog, even Sigur Ros could be prog if they want it to be prog.
Soft Machine is a great band that sticks out in my mind. Vocals can be a bit annoying at times but overall some great listening.
>>61157633
Try Tangerine Dream's Logos
>>61159888
If you like Soft Machine feel free to check out
>>61145159
The Canterbury scene is absolutely fantastic.
>>61157633
overrated honestly
>>61158030
dude stop fucking posting about Cardiacs once you've heard one song you've heard them all its the same formula errytime
>>61160752
Not at all
>>61156233
Act IV was better than all the other acts, imo. Not as good as the Color Spectrum, though.
>>61161645
>Act IV was better than all the other acts
Just no
Act II was the best
>>61161661
IV > II > III > I
You got cool numbers though.
So which 'classic' prog album have you been the most disappointed by?
For me it's Genesis' Selling England by the Pound. The riff of the first track is absolutely out of this world and then it just drops off and disappoints me for the rest of the album.
It's not even as if I hate Genesis, Foxtrot is outstanding, but that album is remarkably boring compared to what everyone talks about it as.
>>61162595
Red seems inferior to ITCOTCK in almost every way.
>>61162616
Starless is the best track by far, and the tone is great but it's a fairly boring album bar Starless
>>61162595
Pawn Hearts. When I started VDGG and liked most of their first three albums, I was super excited to see how good Pawn Hearts would be because of all of the praise it gets, and I wound up not liking any of the three tracks.
>>61162662
i feel like i'm one of the few that dont like starless, i just cant get myself to like red, Discipline is miles better imo,
>>61157493
Yes has the best song and album, Genesis has the best discog mostly cause yes was pretty mediocre outside a few of its best works.
>>61162595
Tarkus, it really sucked. For me its the opposite. Selling England by the pound was very good and Foxtrot was disappointing.
>>61162784
Tarkus is fucking awful, I'm convinced people shill it on /mu/ because it's got a cool looking cover and most of the time with classic prog, a great cover = a good album at the very least.
>>61163594
Marillion have fucking awful covers and their early albums are God tier
>>61162784
i love tarkus, and the rest of the songs are pretty good, tho the title track takes some listens before you start to really get it
>>61163594
tarkus owns because of the hilarious concept, how fucking hard it goes, and the fact that it sounds like a megaman boss theme
>>61162595
First Utterance
