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Why is Debussy not regarded as the #1 composer of all time?
whys he got such a strange heada?
>>60771197
Because Ravel desu
>>60771229
Because he's a fucking genius and his brain is too big
>>60771241
then why he got a small back heada?
>>60771197
are you kidding? Debussy #1?
lol
[spoiler]Beethoven, Bartok, & Mahler are objectively better but there are many other composers who are arguably better but whatever if you really think it's Debussy fine whatever [/spoiler]
Debussy is really just boring as fuck.
The only impressionist whose music does absolutely nothing for me.
>>60771236
hell yeah
>>60771329
>Implying Mahler isn't a trash tier composer
uhh bc there are a lot of other good homies too
>like ur opinion is up 2 u bruh
>>60771197
>>60771329
>>60772984
both wrong
#1 = Mahler
#2 = Debussy
>>60771197
Here is the answer, its quite simple really:
MOZART vs DEBUSSY
Symphonies - Mozart
Concerti - Mozart
Chamber music - Mozart
Solo keyboard - Debussy
Opera - Mozart
Choral music - Mozart
Ballet (Freebie) - Debussy
FINAL TALLY:
Mozart - 5
Debussy - 2
>>60773090
nice
>>60773090
>claudenardo debussio
>>60772984
i don't know how you could possibly justify this unless you lacked knowledge of Gustav Mahler's music, understanding of classical music, or both.
>>60773668
further proof Mozart is overrated
>>60773738
Dont worry, he probably prefers Bruckner lol
reminder that if you think it's anyone but Bach you are a contrarian.
>>60773848
there's absolutely nothing contrarian to preferring Mozart, Beethoven, or Mahler to Bach, nor to rating any of the four as the highest. Each of them have very valid scholarly explanations for being the best. You may not be a contrarian but you're really naive.
>>60773848
You can't really pick a single composer that can be said to be the greatest of all time.
>>60773090
biopic when?
Beginner here, what should I start with?
>>60775196
le monks
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
where to download classical moosic
Don't know what I want to listen to today. Recommend me something /classical/
>>60773668
K.331 alone is better than any piano work Debussy ever wrote.
>>60771197
Debussy's pieces are fucking magical desu. I reckon he was an elf.
>>60775752
I like Schumann's piano concerto. Simple opening melody, but I fucking love it. So romantic.
Btw, I underrate Mozart, so you should probably disregard this.
>>60775840
Yeah Schumann's piano concerto is pretty good. The opening melody is one of those that I always recognise but then can't remember which concerto it actually is.
I might listen to some Schumann though. Maybe Dichterliebe. Or Kreisleriana
>>60775905
Although actually I've been meaning to listen to Le Martyre de saint Sebastian since discovering that D'Annunzio wrote the libretto, so I might do that instead
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Satie
4. Varese
5. Cage
6. Stockhausen
1. Me
2. Mozart
3. Carissimi
4. Fux
5. J.C. Bach
>>60775212
That shit is so fucking random lmao. RYM's top recordings for each piece are much better.
>>60776321
>RYM's top recordings for each piece are much better.
kill yourself
they aren't at all
>>60776321
contrarian chart made by a contrarian
What are some good harpsichord recordings?
>>60771236
This
>that piano trio
>that string quartet
>that jeux d'eau
>>60776052
>Satie
>>60776683
>not being able to appreciate the most original musician of his time
shake my hand, to be fair
Rec me something that will make me cry bitch tears, please, /classical/
>>60776779
Winterreise is essential feelscore.
>>60775196
Just because Beethoven is entry level, doesn't make him any less GOAT.
>>60777203
It depends really. Beethoven might be 'entry-level' because of his place in cultural consciousness, but that doesn't make him simple or any less complex.
>>60777145
>not old recording meme
>>60777247
>tfw Ferrier died at 41
>>60771197
classical is literal shit for autistic spergs who want to seem unique. you're not special, you're just gay and everyones laughing at you.
>>60777323
>classical composers
>posts debussy
you're off by a few hundred years.
>>60778017
>tries to into semantics
>can't into semantics
>>60773752
Guys, can we all agree that Mozart's piano sonatas, horn concertos and Requiem are brilliant, and everything else he ever wrote is trash?
>>60778662
No because that's wrong.
>>60775212
Been listening to JC Bach's Keyboard Sonatas desu
Not what I expected at all, it's almost funky in parts.
I've been listening to a lot of Handel lately and I'm starting to become convinced he's a much better Baroque composer than Bach.
Bach is autistic Yngwie Malmsteen tier wankery most of the time. Whereas Handel actually wrote music that's pleasing to listen to.
I'm not the only one who feels this way right?
Can somebody please identify the piece that plays at the beginning of this video? I've hunted to it before to no avail, never heard it anywhere else. It's quite beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGUYaLUPAM&list=PLAD52E0FF0D10AAEF
>>60776449
>good harpsichord recordings
>>60776449
>good
>harpsichord
>>60778854
>Malmsteen tier wankery
What the fuck are you referring to?
>>60780194
>images that should be part of the /mu/ sticky
>>60777323
2edgy5me
>>60778662
>>60780194
Yngwie Malmsteen, the shredding guitarist who is all technical ability and puts zero soul into his music.
Much like Bach.
>>60780612
nice OC saved
For piano concerto's and symphonies I would have to agree with OP.
close second on concerto's go to chopin, and close second on symphonies go to Beethoven.
For string concerto, I would have to go with toru takemitsu, simply for requiem.
>>60780936
are you high
>tfw John Luther Adams becomes a meme composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xC5FQiR2Q8
The Seattle Symphony has received a major donation in the amount of $50,000 from recording artist Taylor Swift, in support of the future of the orchestra’s musicians and musicians of the future.
Swift’s donation to the Seattle Symphony will support two signature programs, Link Up: Seattle Symphony, which will reach over 12,000 third through fifth graders this year, and the musicians’ pension fund.
Inspired by listening to the orchestra’s 2014 recording of John Luther Adams’ Become Ocean, Swift wrote to Music Director Ludovic Morlot to express her appreciation to the musicians who recorded the music. “I was thrilled to hear that Taylor was moved by Become Ocean, like all of us at the Seattle Symphony,” Morlot said. “This is a powerful piece with a unique soundscape. We’re especially thankful that she wishes to support our musicians, and that she shares our belief that all people should be able to experience symphonic music.”
In her letter to Morlot, Swift also praised the beauty of the composition, the musicianship of the orchestra and reminisced about going to hear her local symphony with her grandmother and how important the experience was to her.
>>60781975
listened to the piece (exact recording) for the first time 2 days ago
good thing i got in before it became mainstream
patrician status preserved, whew
>>60782092
>good thing i got in before it became mainstream
it got a grammy and the pulitzer prize you dolt
>>60782164
>implying anyone gives a shit about pulitzers and grammies
u wot m8
>>60782164
>he took the post seriously
senpai onegai
>>60771197
He's top 10 desu, around 6 or 7, 1 2 are reserved for those autistic trons like Bach and Mozart
>>60771329
>Bartok
love the guy, but Debussy, besides String quartets, tops everything Bartok has done in all the meme categories
>Mahler
Not even responding to this desu
>Beethoven
He's the top 3, but Debussy's perfect two decade roll puts him in the Wagner, Beethoven, Schubert tier composers
Why are so many classical fans weeaboos
>>60782399
Shitbert was only good for chamber music, Wagner was only good for opera.
Recs for someone who likes Rach-my-man-has-it-on?
>>60782399
Debussy vs. Bartók
Concerto: Bartók
Opera: Debussy
Ballet: Bartók
Orchestral: Bartók
Keyboard: Debussy
Chamber: Bartók
Choral: Bartók
Song: Debussy
Total
Bartók: 5
Debussy: 3
>>60782633
coprophagia
>>60782419
He asks, while posting on a Laotian graffiti forum.
>>60782453
>no mention of his lieder
>or the late sonatas
>or his masses
>>60778854
I've always enjoyed listening to Handel more than Bach.
>>60782925
Concerto: Bartok
Opera: Debussy
Ballet: Bartok
Orchestral: Debussy
Keyboard: Debussy
Chamber: Tie
Choral: Bartok
Songs: Debussy
Debussy: 4.5
Bartok: 3.5
>>60782453
>being this much of a pleb
senpai just off yourself desu
>>60783785
how could you give them a tie on chamber music. you must be genuinely out of your fucking mined
RIGHT IN DEBUSSY
RIGHT IN DEBUSSY
RIGHT IN DEBUSSY
why are composers such freaks?
any good-looking composer?
Can someone rec the best Mozart/Haydn/Handel?
I'm starting the adventure with some familiar names.
>>60783887
Because his string quartet, late sonatas, Syrinx and En blanc et noir are all top tier masterpieces of the highest degree, same with Bartoks Quartets and Sonatas
>>60784084
Schumann, Mozart, Faure, Grieg, Ravel, and Borodin
>>60784084
>>60784084
these new trips are annoying as fuck holy shit
where have all the good trips gone
>>60784084
![Edward_Elgar[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JC05opN.jpg "Edward_Elgar[1].jpg")
>>60784084
>>60784084
>>60776449
Scott Ross ones
>>60784144
>>60784272
>>60784422
All ugly
>>60784337
>>60784210
these two are ok
>>60771197
Hey OP. The History of Music (with capital H) always had its preference for german/austrian composers. We can trace a line of "geniuses" that goes: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms/Wagner, Schoenberg, Webern, Stockhausen, (maybe Lachenmann). Debussy represents the french modernism, as opposed to the german modernism (schoenberg, dodecaphonism). The french modernism was deeply concerned with timbral properties as opposed to structural parameters. Debussy was deeply influenced by oriental music(which he came to discover on an exhibition in paris, see gamelan) and by Helmholtz recent research on acoustics. Even tho there is no point in claiming the first position for a composer, Debussy centainly opened many doors for XX century music (both popular and "classical").
>>60784698
>Weber
>ugly
Are you gay or something.
>>60784084
benjamin britten was good looking. so was leonard bernstein.
>>60784738
Are you woman or something
>>60780688
As much as I get what you're trying to convey, it's ludicrous to suggest that there's no soul in Bach
>>60782633
All-Night Vigil, Symphonic Dances, The Bells
>>60784742
Lads on tour
>american "classical"
>>60784821
http://composersdoingnormalshit.tumblr.com/
>>60784821
Would you a Pears?
>>60784084
How do I into Liszt?
Is he a great composer or just a meme le-tricky-piano-part man?
>>60784843
John Cage was more important than any post-war European artist
>>60784084
mahler was said to be quite the ladies man
>>60785114
He transformed from a young black man into a german man in 6 years, how is this even possible?
Why is Mahler so ridiculously overrated these days??!
there was once a time nobody would take him serious & and for years after his death he was all but completely forgotten as a composer...
please bring that time back !!!
mahler is the epitome of tastlessness
>>60784995
Important at what? Promoting style over substance and making normieplebs think they know about serious art music by tricking them with mediocre gimmicks? I guess you're right.
>>60785152
>Promoting style over substance and making normieplebs think they know about serious art music by tricking them with mediocre gimmicks
What a huge piece of bullshit, don't you drop it here motherfucker, just grab it and fuck back off.
>>60778019
>what is impressionism
>>60785152
>style over substance
If you really think this you should read some more on the subject.
>>60785200
Pleb is mad at the truth.
![tumblr_mj7wcxhTbL1rc5781o1_400[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/1SGrPed.gif "tumblr_mj7wcxhTbL1rc5781o1_400[1].gif")
>>60785143
>>60785214
Classical =! classical
>>60785241
The truth is, you're one ignorant piece of shit motherfucker.
>>60778017
i know you're really trying.
>>60785143
magic
>>60785146
well that's not true. he was kind of in a similar position with Bruckner i guess in regards to how successful his works were with the public and critics, but he had way more conductors/performers willing to perform his works, and he was also one of the most influential conductors of his time as well. he also had more success than Bruckner did than the public. the 2nd and 8th symphonies were very well received (especially the 8th which received a very long ovation near the end) and Das Lied von der Erde was pretty well received as well, and was performed numerous times with the Wiener Symphoniker even long after his death (and before his overall immense popularity which started to come around the mid 20th century).
but even after his death, Mengelberg continued to have Mahler festivals where he would perform his symphonies in Amsterdam (even stubbornly after the Nazis took over), and so did other conductors like Fried (who made one of the earliest acoustical recordings of a symphony ever. Mahler's 2nd), Schuricht, Walter, Horenstein, Mitropoulos, Klemperer, Scherchen, etc. hell, even Schoenberg made a studio recording of an excerpt from the 2nd symphony i think. Mahler really never fell into a state of being "completely forgotten as a composer".
>>60785395
>Mahler really never fell into a state of being "completely forgotten as a composer".
hopefully... some day
>>60785395
oh, and of course, Stokowski's American premiere of the Mahler 8th (in 1916) was immensely successful as well. that he was able to convince to the Philly board to cough up 14K in funding for the performance was quite substantial.
they gave 10 performances (all sold out each time) and it received nation wide attention.
>>60785503
doubt that will ever happen, not only has he been recorded and re-recorded to hell, you cannot discount the influence he had on 20th century music, given that many of his acolytes/friends/students shaped much of the music of the 20th century. not to mention the conductors/performers who were influenced by his performing style.
>>60785604
How do you know so much about things? Do you have to be rich for this
>>60785699
most of it is just from reading biographical stuff and other articles online, basically all of this shit is publicly available.
there are also interviews that you can listen to from various conductors or radio talks that have been given by musicologists.
Walter talking about Bruckner/Mahler/Himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFtQcv8TcUQ
Worst classical recording of all time guys?
Mine: Mahler 6 - Barbirolli
>>60785801
here's a great radio talk on Schoenberg presented by Hans Keller:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlxxfXcXR0&
>>60785801
This video won't open for me because youtube knows I live below the poverty line
>>60785884
have you tried begging on the streets
>>60785847
Solti's Ring :^)
>>60785884
I heard if you listen to jew music it makes you rich :^)
>>60785847
>>60785914
I did once when I was homeless but I'm not cute enough
>>60785962
I'm trying my luck at hitting on high society looking guys so I can marry rich
any of you boys been to the opera lately
>>60785940
everything by solti is fucking ghastly
>>60786053
>but I'm not cute enough
you need to become an anime
>>60786125
please date me
There was this one yt video of Debussys piano piece and it had all those great strange harmonies but i couldnt find it again
Rec me some piano Debussy pls
>>60785881
This is cool, thanks.
>I don't like Mozart
>I like Haydn
Is this the most contrarian, pleb opinion a person could hold?
>>60776449
This one. And the Art of Fugue (Musica Antiqua Koln - mostly harpsichord)
>>60777323
I dont care what people think. I love classical music.
>>60778662
All his vocal music is great. everything else is meh.
>>60786409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7loz-HWUM
>>60787009
Put your trip back on poly.
>>60786939
Its the right opinion.
Haydn's music is actually great. There's a reason my grandfather listens to nothing but Haydn.
"cough" Tchaikovsky "cough"
>>60787035
Your grandfather should've had a vasectomy poly.
>>60786939
Haydn't music has emotion and innovation without being ADHD. Its like comparing a chess set to a childs pull toy. Mozart is all bright colors and pretty tunes. Haydn actually has something interesting to say, and says it with eloquence.
>>60787095
>Mozart is all bright colors and pretty tunes
Haydn would say otherwise. As would most composers with taking seriously.
once again senpaitachi Can I get some recs on the best Mozart/Haydn/Handel?
I'm starting the adventure with some familiar names.
>>60787160
https://mega.nz/#!qc5lRRbC!49FTEKln4xYcjgGmMrEIcm6cIOBb1I_87oVXryyGGmY
https://mega.nz/#!TRQyWTiS!Uh45C8RUH0SOvb9u56E--yHIt08TzqUBgl-rlzwI9dQ
https://mega.nz/#!CNw2FICI!KD6Ga9u-3Zbm4ZBEXcye1NM6qF1Xxaz3c9klHBXHnVU
https://mega.nz/#!rd5nzKzR!KcZBDYyZHm-SoZoRVDiLPDzC6JLuPgdCY2SH_0twB5o
https://mega.nz/#!IZYFSDTY!2OkjfDKird4KOSqpKEoHDTVnofGSnU8XdiqcDRTJ4eY
>>60786076
i like his beethoven 5
>>60786076
Why do you think so?
>>60784698
>Faure
>ugly
>>60787289
sloppy as fuck. he cannot into tasteful either.
>>60787095
Put your trip back on Poly.
>>60787095
in a few years time, when you're 18+, you'll feel pretty silly about this post. but that's ok, all part of growing up.
>>60787009
This is an example of one of the many family friendly /classical/ memes. Whenever one is confronted by a shitty opinion or general stupidity, they tell Poly to put his trip back on (assuming it's him) because he is is a clown without jest and is a master shitposter. This is helpful to newcomers because deters them from listen to the bad opinions and meme pieces Poly posts.
Guys, it's actually Penderecki
>>60787976
put your trip back on tallis
>>60787009
It's not "mostly harpsichord," you stupid Poly cunt
>>60787799
I'm most likely older than you are friend.
If anything Haydn is the one you'll graduate to later in life.
>>60788090
i love haydn & i agree with him as well: mozart was the greatest composer.
>>60788090
Haydn is the GOAT in String Quartets, and he has many Piano Sonata gems, and much of his symphonies are gold. But for Mozart you have those top tier Quintets, Operas, and Concertos.
They're both wonderful composers, and both of them loved each others work anyway. You can like both.
>if you liked that last gentle piano piece you're really gonna like what's next
Haydn's best works other than his String Quartets are actually his late masses and Die Schöpfung
>>60788078
Contrapunctus 1 - Harpsichord and string quartet
Contrapunctus 2 - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 3 - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 4 - Harpsichord and string quartet
Canon alla ottava - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 5 - String quartet
Contrapunctus 6 - Harpsichord and string quartet
Contrapunctus 7 - String quartet
Canon alla Decima, in Contrapunto alla Terza - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 9 - String quartet
Contrapunctus 10 - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 8 - String quartet
Contrapunctus 11 - String quartet
Canon alla Duodecima, in Contrapunto alla Quinta - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 12 a Rectus - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 12, b Inversus - Harpsichord
Contrapunctus 13, a Rectus - Harpsichord and string quartet
Contrapunctus 13, a Inversus - Harpsichord and string quartet
Fuga a 2 Clav - Harpsichord
Alio modo Fuga a 2 Clav - Harpsichord
Canon per augmentationem in contrario Motu - Harpsichord
Fuga a 3 soggetti (Contrapunctus 14) - String quartet
Harpsichord only : 11 tracks
Harpsichord and string quartet: 5 tracks
String quartet only: 6 tracks
>>60788348
How would you compare it with the typical piano only recordings?
>>60788426
piano sounds cold and lifeless compared to the warmth of strings and the baroque character of the harpsichord.
Also pianos are incapable of playing some of the held pedal notes. They just decay away.
>>60788452
So you would recommend that particular recording or one with just a quartet?
>>60788452
>piano sounds cold and lifeless compared to the warmth of strings and the baroque character of the harpsichord.
>cold and lifeless
Poly if you stop listening to Schiff for a moment and start listening to actual good pianists then maybe you won't be so put off by the sound of a piano.
>>60788532
definitely. String quartet only doesn't do it justice, and some of the faster and more technical fugues require precision and flexibility that no string player could give.
It really is one of the best recordings of the work. Good variety of instrumentation, good interspersing of the canons throughout the work, excellent musicianship. Clarity and precision when needed, and warmth and a full sound when needed.
Watch it and find out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZtGyFyDo
Is he considered a meme?
>ctrl-f
>no Bizet
plebs
>>60788581
I actually love Schiff in Bach. English suites are some of my favorites on piano.
Bring on the day when he records art of fugue.
Also no pianist can make a piano sound as warm as period string instruments. Its just not how timbre works
>>60788635
Alright, thank you for the write up, I'll be checking it out.
Where to start with Charles Ives?
>>60788635
I almost forgot, do you have a link to the recording itself, or is it in the MEGA folders?
>>60785997
We expect this new recording to come as something of a surprise to any listener even remotely familiar with modern-day performances of the Ninth Symphony. He will be all the more surprised to know that one of our major preoccupations was to be able to respect Beethoven’s own metronomic markings to the very letter. These have often been considered eccentric, because the indicated tempi seem much too fast, not to say unplayable, even if some modern-day ensembles or “interpreters”, who claim to reach back to original performance practice, have been trying to apply them in a way as mathematically faithful as possible.
At the risk of seeming obscure, let us now point out the essential factors which have sustained our musical reflection on Beethoven’s metronomic markings :
It appears necessary to substitute a “metric” reading for the usual “mathematical” reading of Beethoven’s metronomic markings. This in turn will lead to some - apparently - stunning decisions, as most of the adopted tempi will then end up twice as slow as they normally would through their mathematical application.
Justifying the need for this metric reading would carry us too far just now. So would a detailed explanation of the performance practice approach that led us to determine which “metric” reading to adopt for each of the metronomic markings in the Ninth Symphony.
The main thing is to understand that the problem does not lie with Beethoven’s markings but with our way of reading and understanding them.
>>60788781
Several elements are necessary to interpret Beethoven’s metronomic markings :
- First of all, we must be absolutely persuaded that Beethoven did not consider resorting to the metronome as an act of secondary importance. He viewed the final adjustment and systematic use of that instrument as a decisive step towards the emancipation of music.
- Second, we must bear in mind that the metronome was brought to perfection by Mäzel around 1815 as the result of a long researching process which originated in the Renaissance, in an attempt to meet some of the major preoccupations of the music world.
- Last, Beethoven’s use of the metronome can only be understood and interpreted through a thorough study of his relationship to the very notion of rhythm. What do Beethoven’s tempo markings mean, exactly ? What value, or ensemble of values, or subdivision of values does that number indicate which he finally writes down ? What is needed here is a solid knowledge of the tradition in which Beethoven is rooted, out of which he spontaneously adopts a very particular manner of using his precious metronome.
All we can do here is to present the results of this study, i.e. the connection between Beethoven’s markings and the “metric” reading which seemed to impose itself, and that is in fact their translation in “modern” notation. It features a quick presentation of the historical process that led to the final adjustment of the metronome, together with a few elements showcasing Beethoven’s unflinching interest for the many possibilities this instrument offered, plus a comprehensive argument on the necessity to resort to metric reading and its application to the metronomic markings found in the Ninth Symphony.
Maximianno Cobra
>>60788781
>>60788802
I can summarize that recording in one word: Shit.
>>60785997
What makes this so terrible?
I mean, the cover's awful, so that's a good start I guess.
>>60788907
Everything is at half the usual tempo, making it really tedious to hear.
>>60788928
So it's 2 hours long?
That's what Celibidache does though and you guys on here jizz all over him.
>>60788661
I memed Zelenka, and now I'm going to meme Bizet
>>60788703
Songs, String Quartet No. 2, Symphonies 2 and 4
>>60788954
People shit on Celi here all the time though.
>>60788954
I really hadn't heard of Celibidache before.
>>60789017
Listen to his version of Beethoven's 7th to get an idea.
It's like 47 minutes long or something ridiculous.
He takes the "dance" movements at a snail's pace.
It's like you're listening to a normal version of the symphony on half speed.
>>60788668
Goebels strings in that recording are exceptionally bright and nasal; whether this is an issue of instrument or hardware is debatable, as the more recent video improves on this.
Additionally
>harpsichord solo for the canons, and less significant fugues such as 12 and 2
>Harpsichord essentially plays basso continuo to the quartet
>the most complex masterpieces are performed by strings alone (8, 11, 14)
>"mostly harpsichord"
>>60789115
Yeah, I'm not really a fan of such slow tempi. That's why I dislike Cobra's recording.
So I think this is the only place on the site I can talk about this 'cause opera.
There's a Phantom of the Opera musical made long before the famous one by Webber (Webber actually got his idea from watching this one), that uses famous opera pieces to make it's music, instead of having any original songs. Very few people know about it. I really wish I could see it because I love the story and most adaptations but can't stand Webber's version.
This is the Phantom's introduction from act I (Je crois entendre encore, from Bizet's Les pêcheurs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qT0x17oQhs
>>60789273
Slow tempos work in a lot of cases though.
To use another example, his version of Beethoven's 6th is like 51 minutes long. And I think playing that symphony as slow as possible is the best way to represent a lazy day in the countryside.
It rustles my jimmies when conductors blaze through the first and second movements.
>>60789335
>It rustles my jimmies when conductors blaze through the first and second movements.
They're usually just following Beethoven's tempi directions.
>>60784084
>nobody has fucking posted it yet
Just look at Scriabin. I would let him do homosexual things to me.
>>60788651
Alkan is only a meme for his "le so impossible!1!!" status. He has some good music and some uninspired music just like any composer. I'm quite fond of his Grand Duo Concertant, Le Chemin de Fer and Le Preux. His Sonatas are amazing.
>>60788907
Have you honestly never heard the Cobra Beethoven meme?
>>60788954
celibidache is not nearly as slow as cobra, even towards the end of his life.
celibidache didn't really go glacial until he went to Munich though. on his older Bruckner recordings he even takes Scherzos faster than most conductors, for example
>>60785222
underrated post.
Best version of dies irae?
>Mozart underrating
>soon to be 2016
What're your favorite Mozart pieces?
>>60788722
I have a link to the older version. Still decent though.
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3631464
>>60774844
well i mean
you could pick bach
>>60794364
>>60780688
jej
not this time :^)
http://www.spiritsound.com/bachquotes.html
daily reminder 9/10 composers knows Bach is music dad
>>60771197
Because Beethoven, Bach, and Wagner.
>>60777323
Laugh all you want, I'll just be here enjoying myself some cello concertos.
Hipster classical:
Satie
Debussy
Stravinsky
That Russian guy
Steve Reich and Philip Glass
Henryk Mikołaj Górecki
people accept Mozart, Chopin and Beethoven into the cool kids club
>tfw no qt wagner bf
>>60794863
ill shave everything but my neck for you anon
>>60791826
twilight fans
"WAAAAAAAAA HE'S TOTALLY A C-TIER COMPOSER AT BEST"
He has the best quartets. I'm not fucking around.
>>60794778
stop
>>60796239
His quartets are exponentially better than his symphonies, so that's not a controversial comment.
Why are Tchaikovsky's ballets only usually recorded in those shitty 30 minute suites?
The whole 2 1/2 hours of Swan Lake is fucking amazing.
Recommend me something like Brahms' Klavierstucke or Debussy's Suite Bergamasque
Been getting into Romantic piano music lately.
Hello /mu/, hello /classgen/.
I've come to ask for your help. There's this soundtrack of a game I like a lot; it's conveying to me, for a a lack of a proper description, the notions of both fear and wonder.
E.g.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajtbXEK9cc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWpYGuqsHI
I'd like to know if there are any compositions (or composers) which are similar in regards to these conveyed notions.
I'm at a complete loss and obviously inexperienced concerning classical music.
I'm sorry for intruding and foregoing lurking and hope I am regarded with more than disdain. Thank you very much.
>>60796239
>HE'S TOTALLY A C-TIER COMPOSER AT BEST
said no one ever
>>60786409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5btcgRcbZ4s
One reason is because is Debussy, other one is Because Glenn Gould actually playing a piece by Debussy (Even though it's accompanying, it's not an exactly "Accompanying" part")
>>60796353
usually chalks up to money reasons, logistical reasons, or that it was recorded from a orchestral concert. theres a lot of reasons to have a mini suites of long operas or ballets
>/classgen/
what is this meme shit. We are /classical/ you pillock
>>60796239
His chamber music is pretty good. I wonder what could have been if it weren't for the commies getting in his way.
>>60790735
Dvorak or Verdi
>>60771197
Because Rachmaninoff my nigga
>>60798288
>Because Rachmaninoff my nigga
More like Rachmanshitoff desu senpai baka
>>60798461
u fukn rekt me m8
I have the opportunity to listen to this live this weekend:
Ludwig van Beethoven Abertura Coriolano, Op. 62
Richard Strauss Concerto para Trompa N.º 1, Op. 11
Ludwig van Beethoven Sinfonia N.º 4, Op. 60
Thing is, although I love Beeth's, these works do nothing for me, and I'm a bit short on cash.
What do?
How do I understand Xenakis?
>>60789335
>>60789664
Metronome markings, to be more precise. And those are pretty reliable. They're a reference, of course, and there should be interpretive freedom allowed, but you probably shouldn't stray too far from them.
>>60798711
Obtain autism
>>60798711
you dont.
just like you dont understand architecture or polymers when you look at a building.
You just say "wow that's cool" and appreciate it at face value
>>60798711
reading his own notes
>"Music is not a language. Any musical piece is akin to a boulder with complex forms, with striations and engraved designs atop and within, which men can decipher in a thousand different ways without ever finding the right answer or the best one..."
