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more bleeps. more production.
bleeproduction. just the best.
If anyone makes chillwave, please link me your soundcloud or w/e
>>48261943
We need to come up with cutsy Chinese cartoons to match our synthesizers like those headphone weirdos.
>>48261988
Meant to reply to OP. Whatever.
>>48261927
How do I make oldschool UK Garage/2-step
>>48262035
build a time machine
>>48261988
Well there are a few of mugi
Not much conversation right now, so let's have a poll:
http://strawpoll.me/2113873
Sorry for any omissions.
Is there a VST capable of doing sounds like these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMAwPzacjc
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15172590
>>48262385
Preferable not made by a korg fanboy who knows more about synths than just Korg, Yamaha, and Roland
Last night I hacked up an old gameboy to use as a monitor for my sampler.
really useless, but it was fun
>>48262976
Whats wrong with korg?
They made the mono/poly, polysix, ms-20, poly 61, M1, trident
>>48263022
thats cool and all but in the end youll need to get a fast paced workflow and have everything easily accessible.
>>48263069
oh of course, and I'll get a small TV soon. Just a fun project
>>48263022
I've just ordered a PCMCIA-SCSI card for my old WinXP laptop so I can use it with my AKAI S2000. It should really speed up my workflow.
>>48263127
ALL THE RHYTHMS
>>48263127
>>48263127
>>48263162
are you in chromeo?
>>48263248
Never heard of him (them?) so no.
>>48263269
?_?
>>48263043
And none of which are in that image. Besides, I don't think you understood my post correctly. Somebody with a knowledge of synths beyond the big three, not "I fucking hate korg for no reason"
someone start talking about something again
>>48264018
uh I have a moog mf-ring
do I keep/trade?
>>48264044
depends what you run through it and how much you use it. i think it sounds v. cool.
>>48264044
What do yo use it with? If you want to go modular, the 102 is better. If you want it for guitar, mf ring is fine
yep, credit card #2 didn't shit the bed
Monotron is coming here in 7 business days
should I buy a Radias? I want a poly synth that has a nice interface, good amount of modulation possibilities and above all sound cool. Or should I get the JP-8080 instead? I don't think I like the interface on that and I think it only has 1 LFO, where the Radias has 2.
opinions ples
>>48264131
>>48264086
It's pretty cool sounding but sort of limited. (just three knobs)
I use it for both guitar and synths, might sell it and save up for a 102...
>>48264193
Blofeld
>>48264157
It sounds like you've got bigger problems than getting a monotron.
http://youtu.be/3tblZ3EqRE0?t=1h4m7s how much would a compressor like this guy has would cost
I was talking to a friend of mine who DJs gigs (local events from time to time) and he said in one of the clubs he played it had a mono system and some of the tunes he had ended up sounding a bit off, as if certain bands just went totally missing. what happens with that?
>>48264443
Sounds like a phasing issue
>>48264240
nah, just Mastercard being Mastercard.
>>48264443
phasing and stupid clubs not knowing how to set up a decent sound system
which there is a surprising amount of
I've become intrigued with making stupid blippy synth noises (think early Stereolab!) and kinda want to buy a step sequencer. cheap recs?
Bit of a newfriend to hardware so I was wondering if someone could help me out by recommending a keyboard that could be used for playing something like a Doepfer Dark Energy or Eurorack or any other keyboard-less synth.
Thanks
>>48264566
midipal
>>48264487
>phasing issue
how to avoid?
>>48264526
>which there is a surprising amount of
how to avoid?
>>48264580
actually looks really cool! (if a bit too musical)
but out of stock. is the EHX 8-step any good? it's got MIDI clock, expression/cv out
>>48264673
you don't, if it's a retarded club then there's nothing that can be done. it's due to the shape of the room and the position of the speakers.
>>48264752
Isn't it possible something might've happened when the all the stereo got squished into a mono channel?
>>48264834
not that guy, but yeah. A mixer might combine both stereo channels, and stuff could easily cancel out there...
>>48264834
it is possible if the track had some stereo phasing effects, but that's pretty much taboo because it would create the effect you're talking about when played back in mono
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>>48264566
Arturia Beatstep
>>48261943
Anyone have tips for making that glo-fi sound?
>>48264673
I've played on some mono rigs that were really great. For example, The Airliner in LA where they do Low End Theory is mono. Most reggae soundsystems are mono stacks. If you aren't doing tons of stereo widening effects you shouldn't have too much trouble with your productions translating to a mono rig. You should always check the mix in mono during the mixdown stage to identify and fix any stereo phasing artifacts.
>>48264964
resample stuff via tape?
>>48264877
>>48264882
>>48264978
should I switch to making all my tunes mono in order to avoid it? there's no way that if you play mono through a stereo that the setup itself could cancel anything out
Is there any broad advice you'd give to someone starting with synths? I'm at a point where I get what various parameters do, but I have no idea how to use them to make interesting sounds.
>>48265003
Hell no. Just make sure your mix is prepared for mono if you're going to play in a club. Music isn't supposed to go backwards.
>>48265003
Absolutely not. The advantages of production in stereo are huge. You just want to make sure the mix doesn't lose impact too much when translated to mono.
There is more knowledge about stereo production out there than what I can cover here, but you should start by panning your percussion elements slightly left and right, and you will find that the mix seems to open up immediately. Additionally, you can try putting a wide reverb on a bus (Logic Space Designer, NI Guitar Rig, Lexicon, EOS, etc.) and sending a few elements of the track to that for some extra stereo field width.
Pic related is a Goniometer plugin for NI Reaktor, which allows you to visualize and enhance the width of your stereo field.
>>48265003
there is, if a system is positioned wrong and one set of speakers are the wrong distance from the other, or pointed the complete wrong way or the room is a stupid shape then there really isn't anything you can do about it. but the rule of production for other reasons than phasing, though not entirely, is to keep the low end mono.
it's all dependant of whether the club are competent or not, and too many of them aren't because they just don't care for sound quality. the people that go to those clubs are used to shit sound and don't care about it, so I wouldn't degrade your production standards to their levels.
the only club in my town spent a shit load of money on a martin audio system, but the ceiling is less than 7 feet tall and there isn't any space for the system so one sub (I think they're 18 inch drivers) is next to the bar put right up next to the wall to keep out of the way and the other is next to a stripper pole around the corner (the club is an L shape, the worst shape a venue can possibly be) and if you're not looking where you're going you're going to hit your head on a speaker of moving head light. the place is a sonic nightmare.
is there such thing as jazz fusion made entirely out of synths/drum machines? that sounds really good?
hey! this is actually /bleeproduction/'s 20th thread. keep up the good work guys
>>48265356
I once did a jam with the volca keys doing the chameleon bassline and the beats doing a shuffle kind of beat. Then I just did a lead with the microbrute. Sounded pretty awesome.
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>>48265356
>>48262402
More votes pls
>>48265356
Check out Dorian Concept, he uses a lot of jazz chords in his beats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrViuNMko3s
You also might like DJ Krush and Toshinori Kondo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8bvOJ-wy8
>>48261943
https://soundcloud.com/evo-auxilium/bedroom
off brand chillwave
>>48265661
but that was made with real drums and bass
I posted this in another thread last night, but forgot about it.
I play slacker rock-ish kinda stuff with some new wave influence, I'm looking for a good synth for pads for under $500.
Been looking at the Wavestation and the ESQ-1.
What's the most ideal? Anything newer that'd work as well?
I hate girls and go on /r9k/ to talk about how much I hate girls. what does hating girls sound like? I want to make an album about hating girls but I don't sing so it'd jus thave to be music
>>48265858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuv_TB_XR2c
Hey guys, here is an Ableton Live plugin I put together to simulate the effects of recording audio to stuff like VHS or reel-to-reel tapes. Download link at the bottom. It uses all stock Ableton 8 devices. It's designed to open up a lot of creative possibilities rather than to be historically accurate or representative of any particular device. It's good for adding an lo-fi grit to pads, leads, samples etc. Stylistically it sounds a bit like Boards of Canada et al.
The best way to use it is to throw it on some melodic source material and start turning the knobs up from zero to see how they affect the sound.
>Wow and Flutter and Tape Speed
Adds a controllable level of pitch modulation to the incoming audio. This simulates the effect of a tape slowing down and speeding up, or a turntable warbling. This uses two Frequency Shifter effects to accomplish a subtle warping that changes over time. The top knob controls the intensity while the bottom knobs controls the speed.
>Tape Age
Adds some distortion with a somewhat tape-like quality. This works in tandem with Tape Degen to add dirt to the sound.
>Tape Band
Adds subtle filtering effects.
>Tape Spread
Changes filter in stereo field to add some stereo width to the sound.
>Laserdisc and Betamax
Creative delay and other effects. Disable these devices to get back more CPU power if you're not using them.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sx6l5i15su1alyv/VHS-1982.adg
>>48265947
>from the made for tv movie
that's pretty funny
I'm looking to make Hip Hop, I already have ableton and and an apc40/mpd18 but have been thinking about getting some hardware.
Should I get an SP 404? Any suggestions on better machines?
>be poor
>know close to nothing about synths
>love them tho
How do I into synths m8s
what you think about pic related?
>>48266054
monotrons have been made obsolete by the volca keys/bass
>>48265966
Thanks
>>48266054
I'm the anon who ordered one of those yesterday. You can learn about them on the internet and use free ones on any DAW, mate.
>>48266102
>DAW
Would you rec me one, please?
>>48266131
FL Studio, version 10 or 11. Plenty of tutorials, beginner-friendly, fast workflow based on patters and really practical for manipulating samples.
Remember to read the manuals.
>>48266131
Fl Studio to start, Watch youtube tutorials to learn basics and play around with it, watch more youtube videos and get better, once you are comfortable with it try making actual tunes. If you feel you want to switch, try another DAW. (Ableton, Cubase, Logic, etc)
>>48265966
very cool. thanks.
Bumpppp
Anyone wanna talk about their song writing process? For me it's sometimes a stream of consciousness unless I need to do something specific like for a client or something. Then I take inspiration from a lot of different sources. I'll often copy a lot of really cool details from obscure artists I've discovered throughout my listening and patch them together. However, only half the time will it work out pretty well, especially if the genre/style is too out of my natural writing/music making habits.
>>48267363
I just go for it. I don't make any music for weeks, sometimes months at a time and then just blast out an albums worth of stuff in a couple of days as a purely cathartic process.
>>48265966
This is brilliant, thanks. 3 or 4 years ago I made an album of pop music remixes, sort of anti-mastering the pristine production and deconstruction the songs. I was listening to them today and thinking I would run them through some filtering and chuck them up on bandcamp. Going to use this to do it and will post a link for you here shortly.
It arrived
>>48269698
nigga y u in a car
>>48269698
>haha time to record indie bands
>>48269754
I have to drive half an hour to band practice. Also fun to do drive by yellings
>>48269784
>haha time to "pretend" like I'm crazy
m.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw
>>48269698
you're in a car, you gotta roll up to someone and say into the megaphone "Where are the prostitutes?"
is it possible to combine 2 microbrutes to essentially have a 2 VCO synth? or do you *have* to use them separately? some wizardry with the mod matrices of both, perhaps?
i'm really curious what the possibilities are with two of them used in conjunction, i'm entirely new to this hardware shit tho.
>>48269876
Just plug the CV/gate out into the gate and CV in of the other brute
Korg micro keys when?
>>48269866
Will do.
>>48262385
Ugh, of course that whore would use a microkorg of all things... worst character in the series smh
>>48269876
Fucking hell, I hate these things. They sound great but if you take them out on the road they fall apart within weeks. I've got other synths that have lasted over a decade of touring but these arturia things must have the worst build quality I've ever encountered.
>>48269982
Get a fucking case and stop playing baseball with it ya twat
>>48269993
Should have posted that in the shitty cartoon vaporwave thread
>>48270018
I had a case made! It's not the internals to be fair, it's the fucking keys, they fall out like an old Romanian's teeth.
>>48269982
I haven't had any experience with the micro, but the minibrutes keyboard and audio/headphone outs have been notoriously shitty. I had to use mine as a midi for a while and my midi data always had such low velocity even when i hit the keys down hard. and every time i switch 1/4" i have to be very careful with the jack cus I feel like it'll break on me
>>48270203
Yeah sorry I was talking about the mini, not the micro. I've had no experience with it either nor will I unless I hear there's been a vast improvement in quality.
>>48265817
pls respond
>>48270555
ESQ-1 is a gud pad machine
>>48270533
I'm assuming the micros would be more well put together since they are smaller and more compact. i got to play with one for like 10 minutes once and it seemed very "tight." although I think it's hard to fuck up mini keys too. the mini feels like there's a little bit of extra space, which makes it seem flimsy
anyone here actually produce or you guys just fuck around and never finalize anything
>>48270666
Do you ever produce anything or do you just come to the thread to whine about people not producing?
>>48270666
do you?
http://instagram.com/p/qcoG1uDh7c/ what vst is this?
>>48270702
mate i just got triples what have you got, nbotthing
>>48270712
yes/
>>48270666
Satan, I almost produce so much I don't have time to post here.
>>48270716
its a granulator.
>>48270666
yeah nice trips, but go to a namefag board if you want more producing producing producing everywhere. best thing about anon board is you can talk shit about anything. we talk about producing here, but we also talk about a lot of other things that we wanna talk about.
>>48270666
I love it when people come to these threads and complain about the exact problems that they are causing themselves.
Especially when they don't realize that this isn't a soundcloud thread
>>48270768
whatever that means
>>48270771
whatever that means
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>>48270789
Now you're just being a douche
Post your shit or get hit
>>48270789
Why do you even bother posting if you come back with that?
>>48266053
halp
>>48270939
That really depends on what sort of hip-hop you're wanting to make anon.
>>48270939
What do you expect from hardware, like what do you want to make with it?
How useful is Pure Data versus a regular DAW program? I'm willing to take the time and learn if it's powerful enough that the effort will be worth it.
>>48270862
>>48270841
just post your shit. i just wanna know if this sudden influx of people are actually any good. the board used to try having this threads before and they never got much attention.
>>48271039
You first, then I'll post mine, I promis (not very bleep-like though)
https://soundcloud.com/terd-ferg/blacked
???
>>48270994
What are you planning to do with it. I'm a Max/MSP user but I would never recommend it over a normal DAW for standard music production. In terms of audio I use it to do randomly generated stuff, composition built on a set of rules rather than creativity. Making you're own synths, effects, sequencers etc. is fun and definitely gives you a greater understanding of the processes involved but if you just want to make music you can get similar results far more easily/quickly with a standard DAW. Are you looking to make your own instruments and the like?
Anybody here integrated an iPad or similar in to their composition? I've been making some stuff with Korg gadget and nothing else while being stuck on planes and it's been a lot of fun working within the limitations of the app.
>>48271066
>not very bleep
not interested.
>>48271209
hm, seems like you're looking for excuses to not post your stuff then
BTW: >he board used to try having this threads before and they never got much attention.
This is like the 20th iteration of the thread, so yeah, should be fine now attention-wise..
>>48271243
im not posting my stuff because it's not ready for release yet.
>>48271268
There we go, was that so hard to post a legit reason?
Keep us updated
>>48271268
How long have you been working on it?
>>48262402
>everyone voting for a single oscillator mono
>>48263127
>>48263162
link to music?
>inb4 ''i just sample them and let them sit there'' or ''i'm just a collector''
>>48271118
It depends. I'll admit that I haven't been at this very long at all and mostly just worked with different loops and samples. If I just use a standard DAW program how much freedom do I have in terms of instruments and effects from the get-go?
>>48271329
That depends on how much you're willing to pay for/pirate
>>48271300
current record it's been almost 2 years. i like to let things simmer...
i just need to send it for mastering probably in 2 weeks or so when im back from vacay.
>>48261927
about to take adderall and work on mixing. what is optimal dB for the master track?
>>48271347
How much should I expect to pay for/pirate?
FL Studio is what everyone uses, right? Are there any good free alternatives or is that pretty much it?
>>48262402
>no Moog Slim Phatty
>>48271204
Samplr for iPad is a great granular tool.
>>48271364
Link to your last record?
>>48271406
I personally haven't used FL for 6 or 7 years so can't comment on its current quality but as was mentioned by someone else further up in the thread if you're starting out you can't go wrong. Grab all the free VSTs you can and enjoy yourself.
>>48271394
Most mastering houses will ask for -6.0dB so shoot for that. If it's just for personal listening, you can hit anything under 0dB before clipping starts to affect the signal.
Also, try green tea and take breaks so your ears can rest. What are you mixing down, anon?
>>48271204
>Korg gadget
Its ace. wish theyd let you use the screen in landscape for keyboards though. link to tracks?
>>48271488
This is brilliant as well
>>48271563
Awesome, I'll check it out. I'm guessing I should just pirate it unless I have a better option besides paying 100 bucks?
>>48271809
Yeah, pirate it and if you like it grab a copy. Although I'm of the belief that hobbies are worth investing in.
>>48270164
That's actually good to hear as mine will be arriving tomorrow (I'm not on the road tho). The internals are what's important, the minikeys are just a nice little addition, you could always just use a portable MIDI controller instead without much fuss.
If the internals do well with surviving being beat up on the road, that's good to hear considering the price point. I'll be sure to be careful with them, tho ;)
>>48270533
>>48270655
WELL FUCK!
I'm getting the micro, lmao. I'll let you guys know how it goes as I use it (after my first week, and if it ever breaks or something on me).
>>48271862
I am too. Whatever, who gives a shit I'll figure something out.
Thanks.
>>48270717
Nice try, satan.
Also yeah, check the soundcloud threads, plenty of people here produce. Might not exactly be making mad dosh with it, but I know plenty of people around here who have very nice, finalized projects in different genres.
But yeah. Soundcloud threads. Also note that there is a large degree of variation in experience in the community, some are great some are decent and some are very new. Gotta keep that in mind.
>>48271976
Haha don't listen to me, I'm sure the micro will be fine. I'm just in a grump due to some irritating equipment failures recently. Had a brand new rack mounted mac mini pop its clogs after one transatlantic flight a couple of weeks ago. Seriously tempted to just stick my show on a cassette and wave at people as it plays.
>>48271572
give me a dropbox and ill send you the wip
>>48272160
damn man, transatlantic flight? how big of an act ARE you? i'm still stuck playing open mic nights and bedroom producing, lol.
and yeah, np bro, don't sweat it. i got mine for $250 as my first VCO synth, if something fucks up it'll hardly break the bank. even if i sawed off the keys, I could still process external sounds and instruments through that awesome SP filter.
>>48262402
> no waldorf rocket
>>48271444
The Slim still isn't really budget.
I was classing budget as 500 GBP and below, the Slim Phatty is about £700.
>>48272605
>digital oscillators
>>48272605
>digital oscillators
Sorry bro, the Rocket will never be analog.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1C8Wi48aEaN
what do u think
>>48272264
Not that big really, especially in the US but I've been lucky with contacts. If you keep your crew small but treat them right you can play a lot more shows than you'd expect. My PM/MIDI tech is an absolute legend and the only way I'm able to really play outside of Europe. He organises it so that in places like the US and Oz we're only travelling with a couple of cases and hire the rest. There's not a massive amount of money in it at my level though, DJing is obviously far more profitable for both promoters and artists, it certainly doesn't pay all of my bills.
>>48272747
pretty cool i think the composition is good even though it wouldn't be the kind of music I'd choose to listen, but I think the intruments sound kinda "amateur", to me the synth patches you used sound like they were presets that came with the synth
>>48272973
thanks, yeah they are all slightly modified presets cus it was done for a one hour compo. what kind of music would you call this? what do you listen to?
Always see people posting this
this is the "flashwave" album that has kind of become a semi-forced meme on here
the synths are beautiful though
http://thepalangis.bandcamp.com/
Are there any worthwhile free DAWs out there?
>>48273106
i don't like them so much, the highs hurt me too much. i think it just might be my preference for analogue warmth though
>>48273179
Not really. Reaper, if you count that as free
>>48273248
>i think it just might be my preference for analogue warmth though
I really can't tell if this is self aware or if you're actually that kind of person.
>>48273273
>self aware
don't even get me started. also what's wrong with having a preference? it's not I dislike highs or anything...
>>48273179
Reaper is fine, but a bit hard to start out with.
>>48273106
love the synths at the beginning of "no mom this isn't a phase i'm a sea punk and you're gonna have to accept that"
god tier song title
>>48273338
There's nothing wrong with having preferences but "analog warmth" is a purely meaningless buzzword that no one can ever define with any measure of objectivity when pressed to do so.
>>48273338
>thinking "analogue warmth" is anything but a marketing trick
>>48273445
>>48273482
really? I always percieved it as the lack of ~17k-20k+ hertz whenever you do an analogue recording. perhaps I cannot attribute this to only synthesizers.
I'm not really a fan of consumerism so I don't often pay attention to marketing terms or anything. How can i avoid buzzword?
>>48264416
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alan-Smart-C2-Dual-Stereo-Rack-Mount-Compressor-Compression-/400738681209?pt=US_Signal_Processors_Rack_Effects&hash=item5d4de30179
>>48273560
u jst got meme'd on
>>48265209
Remember to keep just the low end mono, got it, thanks.
This is still one of my favorite synths: The Kurzweil K2600 RS (the Sampler feature is a must-have for the ability to process live sound thru the synth architecture and FX processor). So incredibly underrated. I started with a Kurzweil K2000 (which some asshole I used to be friends with broke), then a K2500, which I sold to get the K2600. It is also one of the most versatile and best-sounding hardware samplers, for sure. People today are so biased against digital synths, and especially any synth which is edited via a combination LCD screen and buttons, that the Kurzweils get overlooked, especially by newcomers to synthesis. There are a ton of shortcuts and tricks, once you learn them, you can edit this thing as fast as you would any synth with knobs and sliders. I also use MIDIQuest and Sounddiver. The Kurweil was partially designed by Bob Moog, who joined the Kurweil team as soon as Moog went under after releasing the MultiMoog, as well as Stevie Wonder. This is Bob Moog's baby and it shows. I rate it up there with the Yamaha DX7 as one of the best digital synths ever made, and one that can compete with any classic analog. I can't explain, it is just incredibly intuitive and has as much character and personality as any analog I have played. It's predecessor, the K2000, was a favorite of Skinny Puppy's Dwayne Goetell and Cevin Key, as well as Trent Reznor, and was used extensively on "The Downward Spiral" as well as Puppy's "Last Rights" and much of Download's early output. It is a BEAST. I recommend to anyone interested just to check out a K2000. They can be bought for super cheap, and are the foundation for this and all of Kurweil's later synths.
>>48273560
>How can i avoid buzzword?
By not saying analogue warmth. Granted, you did at least try to objectively explain what you mean with the frequency thing, but still.
>>48273445
seriously. I hate that term. I get as much "warmth" from a Yamaha DX7 as most analog gear.
Advice for a production in Ableton? I'm a beginner and am pretty overwhelmed tbh. I've made some shit beats but everything sounds super flat. Tutorials/videos/advice is welcome. I'm especially interested in making Brainfeeder-esque stuff, although I have a soft spot for liquid DNB as well. Also, should I go ahead and invest in a MIDI keyboard?
>>48273815
>>48273824
k sorry, i don't know anyone who makes music with synths so i don't know buzzwords
>>48273815
>lrn2electronics, resolution, amplitude, drift, waveshape, etc
Best analog Synth VSTi?
I'm deleting all that native instruments crap.
>>48273893
This post has zero bearing on what I said.
>>48273894
NI make some of the best, though.
>>48273873
>go ahead and invest in a MIDI keyboard?
yes. you can use them with just about any DAW, not just ableton, making it a worthwhile investment if you plan on actually making music.
>>48273824
you literally don't because physics
less the buzzword and more getting analog sound from digital FM synthesis, i mean.
>>48263127
I am so fucking hard for this setup.
>>48273894
none. They all suck. I'm serious. Buy yourself even just one good hardware synth, Use the computer for multitrack recording and editing, maybe some FX, but keep that to a minimum. HArdware FX sound a million times better as well, even old digi FX. OK, I will be straight up, I do like FM7, it does a really good emulation of the DX7. Other than that, I can;t stand any softsynths anymore. My $0.02
If you are serious about making real music, dedicate yourself and work hard, save your money. Buy real hardware synths that sound good, Don't waste your time with software.
>>48264443
Most clubs/venues are in mono.
>>48273939
It does because warmth or not, analog does have a very characteristic sound that many people find pleasing to the ear that is directly related to controlling oscillation frequency with a voltage input.
Subjectivity of whether you like it or not aside, it is objectively a "thing" that exists and based on electrical principles of physics. Just sayin'.
>>48273894
>>48273939
Sorry, other than FM7, NI stuff doesn't do it for me. I love the concept of Reaktor, you can get some cool sounds out of some of the synths people make. They are very cool to look at and fun to play with, but TBH, I wouldn't use any of them on a song I was writing. I would rather use a $400 Novation Bass Station 2 or some shit on every synth track before I use any NI stuff.
>>48265966
Pretty cool, but why not some pitch delay instead of frequency shifter? The effect is a lot more interesting, I think
>>48274035
I really doubt most people could pick digital from analogue in a blind A/B test. "analogue sound" is in the head more than anywhere else.
>it is objectively a "thing"
A thing that no one who espouses it can ever seem to put into tangible terms.
>>48274078
Weird, FM7 is probably my least favourite. Maybe LuSH-101 or Spire, then?
>>48273106
definitely some unique sounds on here
reminds me of z3ta+ VSTi
>>48273894
>believing the analog hype
If you can't program good sounds on something like a VST, don't waste your money on analog gear.
>>48274241
>If you can't program good sounds on something like a VST, don't waste your money on analog gear.
this
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>>48273942
I thought as much, do you have any suggestions? I'm a student so my budget is limited (soft limit ~$150), but I will drop enough to get something decent.
Also I've been reading a bit about Maschine, does anyone have experience with it? If so, thoughts?
>>48274241
There is a difference in sound, but its not from being analog, it's from being hardware. Recording your music through something like a reel to reel or even a beat up mixer gives music a sound and character that you can simply never replicate when you're working completely digitally. Sure there's VSTs that replicate it, but that open air quality is what makes the difference.
>>48274020
as much as this guy kinda sounds like a dick, i agree with his main point, that hardware is fucking awesome.
i'd add that it'd probably be best to do a good deal of research first, and try to buy as little equipment as possible. like one, maybe two hardware synths that you can use a LOT and get as really deep understanding of the sounds it or they can create. Only get a 2nd or 3rd when you've thoroughly understood the first, then second.
As the saying goes: limitations breed creativity.
Along these lines: are the Volca Beats any good? Honestly, if I had my druthers, I'd like some sort of drum hardware thing that would allow me to play drums live without quantization, and loop it, and maybe MIDI sync it to my synths. Seems like the best I can do is find something with a swing parameter, though :(
Why is this shit so hard to make?
>>48274241
>>48274264
>If you can't program good sounds on something like a VST, don't waste your money on analog gear.
Where did he say that he can't? Also he's looking for a VA VST, not an actual analog synth.
Brush up on your reading skills.
>>48273894
U-he Diva or Reveal Sound Spire.
So I decided to into bleep production a few months ago when I met this dude at my college. We hung out a bunch and when he found out I could play keys decently enough he got me into working with ableton.
As far as gear goes I only have a midi keyboard controller and my computer. I basically record catchy sounding melodies and loop them to drum beats (poorly I might add, my drum loops usually fall out of sync with the piano after looping a couple of times). Nothing serious yet but I wanna know how to get better so I can start putting shit on soundcloud
My current process is just to record everything I improvise on the keyboard until I play something that sounds cool. After that I try to flesh out a track around it. Any advice for an aspiring amateur bleepfag is greatly appreciated. Gear to cop, ect.
I think my next gear purchase would be something with pads to make my drum patterns with. Finger drumming on a keyboard is pretty wonky at times , really hard to get down a solid beat
>>48274197
Just go on youtube and look at various synths put through oscilloscopes and note the differences in waveform, especially with filter sweeps. There are plenty.
And obviously that shit can get lost when you apply tons of different FX and EQ and compression and whatnot, and other forms of modulation to the sounds. And it's not even necessarily "better".
It's just "different". That's the real key. Some people certainly have a preference towards one vs. the other, and digital and analog both have their own unique abilities and faults. But analog does generally have a signature sound due to the sound being generated by electricity traveling through a circuit that isn't corrected or perfected and tamed by a computer. Doesn't mean it's better or worse in any objective way, but it is different.
For the record, I very much enjoy recording multiple layers from my mono analog VCO synths (I don't have a lot of money so I prefer them), then creating one high bitrate sample of all of those layers together, and putting it into a digital VA synth that accepts samples in place of the waveform, then playing it polyphonically. They're a great sample source, for instruments as well as drums.
Pic related.
>>48274284
You're welcome.
How the fuck can I make music like The Haxan Cloak, Oneohtrix Point Never, or Death Grips instrumentals (I know these are all very different but I'm asking if anyone can help in anyway, btw I mean recent OPN, early opn kinda self explanatory, okay thanks bb's
>>48274607
I'd recommend the Korg PadKontrol for pads. I've had mine for 3 years now and it still works beautifully. Great velocity response, and to be fair you really only need the 2 knobs and an x-y pad for parameter modulation when you're in the studio, which I'm sure you are. A lot of people don't realize how fun and useful the x-y pad can actually be, it's pretty nice when you learn how to use it properly.
>>48265966
That's really cool, thanks.
>>48274717
thanks homie
>>48274632
>Just go on youtube and look at various synths put through oscilloscopes and note the differences in waveform
Problem with this is that the waveform will likely be different between every single synth tested. Unless we can find something in the waveform shape that actually tells analog then it's kind of meaningless. The only thing to my ears that analog sometimes has is less stable oscilators, but even that is usually only in older gear.
I don't know, I'm just sick of unquantifiable buzzwords in the music scene. Synthesists have muh analogue warmth, guitarists have muh tube sounds, I'm sure violin players have muh imported hundred year horse hair dipped in Spanish urine bows or something.
>>48274879
unless were talking crazy high end the only thing i often notice in analog vs digital is the way hotter signals overwhelm in a summing amp section of a synth. tends to sound a bit different to me
>>48274879
Really depends on the individual. Just look at that discussion earlier regarding clubs who get phasing issues and shit because they play their stuff in mono even if it was recorded in stereo, and all of the customers don't give a fuck because that's just what they're apparently used to even though it sounds like shit.
Then compare that what someone who professionally mixes audio for a living in a real studio hears, combined with all of the experience of different sounds and music styles he's heard in his life.
I'm sure a professional violinist can tell the difference in sound from a Stradivarius, even if you or I couldn't. I'm sure there'd be a big difference with using tubes if you heard it in a live setting (physics-wise, it has to do with creating a much nicer distortion effect when the signal gain is enough to cause clipping, compared to solid state which sounds like ass rape).
I don't know either man, I just like the sounds I can make with my hardware that I haven't been able to get with my VST's alone :)
>>48274779
your gonna have to be more specific than that. what aspects are you having an issue with?
>>48269938
I'm not quite sure what you're asking but I bought a microkorg a few days ago and I love it so far.
what tempo ranges do you guys like to work at?
>>48274879
why does trent reznor tell me that there's a big difference between hearing a minimoog vst and the real thing, then? hmmm? HMMM?!??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JNNFLHV6j1I#t=240
checkmate, faggot.
>>48275244
>checkmate, faggot.
>listening to NIN and calling someone else a faggot
kek
Moog synths in general sound pretty boring now that I think about it.
>>48275337
Regardless of your opinions on his music it is an objective and undeniable fact that Trent is currently one of the best bleep producers still alive. And while "muh analogue warmth" may be a shitty argument, he is right about software never being as good as hardware in the sound creation process since hardware sets a "limit" on sound production and its up to you to squeeze every synth till the last drop. One of the things about soft synths is that if you don't really like the sound after 5 min of tweaking you can change synths instantly and try again and you will never be able to fully explore the sounds of one particular synth unless you have the patience of turning knobs with your mouse for hours which is horrible.
>>48275526
>software never being as good as hardware
But this is entirely wrong and makes you just as bad as those who would say that hardware would never be as good as software.
>sets a "limit" on sound production and its up to you to squeeze every synth till the last drop
Tired argument. Not everyone works like you do.
>turning knobs with your mouse for hours which is horrible.
What is a midi controller?
0/10
>>48275864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JNNFLHV6j1I#t=240
>>48276052
m7
no on curs about pleb renor
>>48276247
listen to Alessandro then, he was a soft-tard like you
Basically, what it boils down to is this: nowadays you have literally millions of kids who download cracked software for free and are making their "music" exclusively on it. They want desperately to believe that they are somehow bucking the system and getting the best for free. They convince themselves that, yes, their Minimoog VSTi REALLY DOES sound just as good as the real thing, so why go out and drop $3 grand on the real hardware? They will argue until they are blue in the face that its the artist and not the gear, when they have actually never even owned any of the real hardware units their software is emulating. The fact is, once you start using the hardware, you'll never go back. In my case, I grew up using hardware, before computers could do much. Back when I got into making electronic music, computers were able to sequence and do very basic wave editing. If you had about $9,000-$10,000 minimum to drop on a super high-end MAC + OPCODE or ProTools HD/TMI system, you could record a few tracks and use a few effects in real time (with a ton of latency). I did not have the luxury of being able to afford both the hardware Synths and samplers as well as a high end computer system. I had a friend who used an Atari ST with Cubase and Cakewalk. I just sequenced with hardware. Anyways, back then, you had extreme limitations which forced you to improvise and push your creativity and the potential of your gear to its limits. Most importantly, getting into making electronic music was a big investment, which meant that you had to be serious about it. These days, every kid has some DAW and is a Techno or Rap making hack, wannabe producer with a Soundcloud. Its depressing. There is so much shit, and its because there is no sacrifice or true dedication necessary to make electronic music. The reality is, though, that all of these laptop hacks are kidding themselves. Their music sounds like shit because its all coming from software.
>>48261927
not thread #1 at all.
>>48276589
My bad, I meant Pro Tools HD/TDM.
>>48276598
i c wut u did thar ;^)
>>48276589
8.8 Best New Copypasta
i mean it, saved for future generations of software-only kiddies
>>48276589
Until an artist uses some hardware, I and just about everyone else in the Techno/Synth scene will not take them seriously at all. It has nothing to do with snobbery or elitism. It has to do with a strong desire to preserve the integrity of the music, which has been seriously damaged because of the whole cracked software "revolution". There is so much shitty electronic music coming out in the past 15 years, that a backlash was inevitable and necessary. Otherwise the scene would be dead and gone by now. If you are an aspiring artists and want to get into making electronic/Synth music, forget about software (other than trackingamd sequencing on a DAW) and invest some money into some quality hardware. Your music will only sound better, and your workflow will become a thousand times more enjoyable and fulfilling. Fuck the sales reps at Guitar Center. They don't know shit and all they want to do is take your money.
>>48276589
Basically what it boils down to is that these kids buy $3000 syntax and try their hardest to convince themselves that they're getting the best.
See? I can do it too.
>>48276589
honestly i think the real problem with "kids these days", above all else, is that they all just want an easy way to get rich & famous.
they suck because they aren't making music for the love of sound, they just make the easiest stuff that's as popular as possible to get to the rich & famous end.
luckily, most of them never make it. but then there's skrillex so idk
>>48276573
Alewho?
>softard
Hardware only fags getting mad enough to make b tier portmanteaus
This is probably a stupid question, but is Asio4All required to get sound from a MicroKorg to play through Ableton? Everything else works fine.
>>48276797
Sorry, I meant "using DAW's for tracking and sequencing."
The more you take your music seriously and the more you invest in it, the more you will get back. If you think you are going to get anywhere with a bunch of software u downloaded for free, you are kidding yourself. You get what you pay for, just like anything else. All you need is one good drum machine and one decent hardware Synth. You can multi track them to hell and back....and I guarantee you will be infinitely more satisfied and your music will sound infinitely better than if you were using a VST folder with thousands of the newest plugins.
>>48276902
No. You'll probably have a poor experience without some ASIO driver but your interface should have come with one.
>>48276923
R u jbenitex?
>>48276853
This is true. The same with DJing. Even more so. The cracked software has ruined the scene. Now the real, dedicated artists are too often lost in the shuffle. Some asshole with his crack or Virtual DJ has a bunch of friends and gets tons of gigs while seasoned DJ's with huge vinyl collections and incredible skills are lucky if they play a few gigs a year to a dozen people in a room. Fucking criminal. Especially when half or more of these sucker laptop DJ's are just downloading sets off the internet and playing them while they turn knobs on a MIDI controller or mixer and act like they are the one playing.
>>48277009
Nope. Who's that?
>>48276923
I think a good microphone would be better than a drum machine. Easily sequencable in your DAW of choice just like hardware, but you aren't forced to quantize everything and I get the best sounding drum samples from hitting random real life objects together in different environments.
One of the best clap sounds I've ever made was from one of those $1 metal handle fly swatters from Lowe's slapping a vinyl tarp on top of some posterboard, recorded through an SM58. Just can't get that with a drum machine.
Save your money for synths.
>>48277068
some delusional talentless twat that goes around soundcloud/bandcamp/production threads shitting on everyone else
it's advisable not to mention his name as he's somewhat like voldemort
>>48277031
>music should be only the domain of the privileged with money
No.
>>48277009
>>48277096
JBendydicks is the opposite of this Joey guy.
Don't you remember all of the thousands of VST's he boasted he used? He is (was?) the ultimate quintessential cracked DAW kiddie.
>>48277096
pic related
>>48277104
It should be the domain of only those who are serious. When I wanted to start making electronic music, I worked at a restaurant for months to save up the $1300 for my first sampler, the Ensoniq EPS. You twist it around to a class issue. It's about dedication and sacrifice. The money is symbol. You kids want everything easy and free with no work no sacrifice no effort nothing.... Just handed to you. I must admit it makes me sick to my stomach and more than a little angry. But then I listen to the shit people make on their computers and I realize the universe always maintains the balance.
>>48277031
As per usual, it's generally not what you know, but who you know. Sucks, but it's reality, and also generally why the governments around the world (but in the U.S. especially) tend to be filled with shit-tier politicians.
>>48277178
Same methodology though. An air of pretension along with using a name and making derogatory posts. No better than jben
>>48277096
Since when did I go around shitting on anyone's Soundcloud? WTF are you talking about? I rarely come onto /mu/. You are butthurt because you can't take views that oppose your own.
>>48277317
im not even the guy that compared you to jbendydicks m8 i was just saying who he was
>>48277231
It's positively a class issue. Making spending thousands of dollars a requirement to make music is pure pretension and classism. Your "these kids, back in my day" attitude makes you seem like a bitter dad rocker as well.
>>48276923
this
the hero we need, joey mainframe
>>48277096
My bad....you were answering my question and referring to jbenitex. Sorry.
>>48263127
>>48263162
its fucking Moby guise
>>48277272
>2014
>still giving any amount of fucks about whether someone is a namefag, trip flag! or anon
Like, come on. The turnover rate on this website is ridiculous
>>48277346
>spending thousands of dollars a requirement to make music
you can put together a nice little studio for $500 if you buy used and avoid the analog hype m8
>>48277385
I don't care about tripping. I used to. My point is that he acts a lot like jben. Having a name is important in that aspect.
I'm really not trying to make anyone feel bad or feel that their music lacks value. Its not about the music. It's about the SOUND QUALITY. hardware just sounds GOOD. after years and years and years of using both, I have gotten to the point where I can immediately detect music created on softsynths and I can't stand it. It only takes away from the artists hard work because it makes their music unlistenable to me.
>>48277272
I disagree with you because I agree with him.
I mean c'mon man, the huge influx of mediocrity that's come from the internet/pirating age of music is pretty fucking apparent. Anyone and their grandmother can make a generic hip hop beat with free VST's and drum pack samples in a couple of hours, upload it to soundcloud and get lots of compliments. it's ridiculous and unfortunate because it drowns out the real talent, especially those who are doing legitimately new and creative things instead of just trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
if you can't tell the difference between a poorly mastered track and one done on a professional level, well, i really can't help you.
>>48277400
Five hundred dollars is an interface, a nice midi controller, and a little money left.
>>48277492
not if you get really cheap stuff off ebay
you'd be surprised the kind of sounds to can squeeze out of shitty 80s/90s synths if you run them through a little bit of a filtering
>>48277451
>I can immediately detect music created on soft synths
Of course you can. You're just a bitter old fuck stuck in the past bitter that you don't need to blow all the money you spent to make music now. Seriously, you belong on gearslutz and not mu. You can circlejerk your dated ideas there.
>>48277492
>>48277553
yeah this is true, I made like 15 songs in my first 4 months of having an MS2000R. even though it's digital. i only used a soft synth on like 2 songs
I want to challenge young artists to dedicate more to their music. Give yourself the tools you need to truly shine and which will make your music sound great. Also, your workflow will improve 1000%. hardware Synths, drum machines, samplers and FX units not only sound great most of the time, but they are so much more fucking fun and inspiring to use than a fucking mouse and a MIDI keyboard. If you take your music seriously, then invest as much as you can into it. Give yourself the best quality instruments possible to create with. I busted my ass when I was younger, flipping fucking burgers to save for gear. When I finally got the gear, I had earned it and it meant so much more to me that a fucking plugin. There was a spiritual connection. Plus...girls think its sexy. They laugh at dudes sitting in front of computers all day.
>>48277553
Most of that will be digital anyway, meaning you may as well use a vst. Regardless, an interface alone will set you back a hundred. What would you buy with the remaining four?
