Hey /m/, newfag here. im about 10 episodes in on mobile suit gundam, and I have one question that bothers the hell out of me. Do they ever explain how the federation was able to shit out the gundum, which seems to out preform anything the opposition seems to have in what seems to be so little time. I mean in the first episode an unskilled pilot was able to decimate 2 zakus, which nearly destroyed a section of a colony by themselves. How come zeon hasnt seemed to produced anything that comes near it, why is char so cool?
>>14183084
>why is char so cool?
Because his soul is not weighed down by gravity.
>>14183084
>Do they ever explain how the federation was able to shit out the gundum, which seems to out preform anything the opposition seems to have in what seems to be so little time
The Gundam uses reversed engineered Zeon tech and the feddies have a much larger manufacturing capabilities
>How come zeon hasnt seemed to produced anything that comes near it
Gundam is a very high performance one-off prototype that costs much, much more than any of Zeon's mass produced models. Luna Titanium is a luxury isn't viable for mass produced suits at the time.
>why is char so cool?
You have a thing for men in masks.
>>14183111
so just spoil this for me, does char get a gundam? or super zaku?
>>14183125
Neither. He gets newer, more advanced mass production models and then a fancy prototype machine at the end.
>>14183125
You thought they would just keep making Zaku's? Obviously Zeon sends their newly developed suits after it.
>>14183125
>does char get a gundam?
Well....
>>14183125
He gets three new major suits, the Z'gok an aquatic operations unit, the Gelgoog a unit that matches the Gundam in specs and can be seen as an evolved Zaku, and the Zeong but that one is all kinds of spoileriffic
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>>14183149
>>14183084
Reminder that the story starts in September
>>14183154
>Gelgoog
wait it matches it in specs? is it a mass produced unit? that seems like it would fuck everyone up.
>>14183125
>so just spoil this for me, does char get a gundam? or super zaku?
Sort of.
IIRC the Hyaku Shiki he gets in Zeta was supposed to be a prototype Gundam or something.
And then in CCA he gets the Sazabi.
>>14183164
zeon does come out with powerful weapons that can take on the gundam but only in small numbers
also newtype shenanigans
>>14183164
>wait it matches it in specs? is it a mass produced unit?
Yep.
>that seems like it would fuck everyone up.
By the time the Gelgoog is in mass issue to Zeon units the vast majority of their veteran pilots are dead. So most of the Zeon MS forces are green and get BTFO at A Baoa Qu.
Maybe they did like the Japanese did in WWII and constantly had their experienced pilots flying until they died instead of sending them back to be instructors.
>>14183084
you should have watch the movie trilogy first
>>14183164
Remember that as >>14183111 said the Federation has much higher manufacturing capabilities. That applies not just to the quality of a suit like the Gundam, but the ability to make many many more mass-produced units than Zeon.
The Gelgoog may match the Gundam in specs but by this time the Feds were able to overwhelm them with just sheer numbers.
Why is Ramba Ral more likable than anyone on White Base
>>14183199
Because Ramba Ral is cool af senpai.
See: Gundam Origins OVA.
>>14183199
Because Ramba Ral is the badass who forces White Base to get their shit together and thus become likable.
>>14183199
because Zeon aces are tragic heroes
newfag again, so what did zeon actually do wrong exactly to spark all this?
So if both sides lost half their respective populations and the Federation is far larger than Zeon, how many fucking people did the Zeeks murder
>>14183266
50% of what they should have.
>>14183199
Ral?
>>14183232
They wanted freedom from earth to become an independent state.
Granted, they went about it in a less than ideal way.
>>14183232
>newfag again, so what did zeon actually do wrong exactly to spark all this?
They started a war for independence from the Earth Federation, which included Operation British an attempted colony drop which missed it's target.
And then Zeon invaded the Earth in an attempt to bring a quick end to the war.
>>14183232
Colony drop
>>14183232
The colony drop was what sparked the main military conflict. Zeon wanted independence, but it turns out dropping a massive object on thousands of civilians only gets the other side mad at you.
>>14183266
The first week takes out 2.8 billion people in Sides 1, 2, and 4. Overall death toll relative to the human population by the end of January (the war started January 3rd) rests at somewhere between 1/4th and 1/3rd.
As for the whole production thing, the Federation represents the Allied and Soviet building strategies during WW2. Build a fuckload of them. GMs (the generic Gundam knock-off that shows up later) is basically a Sherman while the Balls (circular coffins) are the T-34s. Zeon, despite a drastically limited economic base, continues to make one-offs and high-performance variants that they really can't afford to make. Worse yet, they don't standardize equipment until the very end of the war.
>>14183287
>>14183300
The colony drop wasn't the start of the war, it happened a few days after the start.
http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/timeline.php?year=0079
>>14183084
>Do they ever explain how the federation was able to shit out the gundum, which seems to out preform anything the opposition seems to have in what seems to be so little time.
Basically the Gundam was a Manhattan Project. They put their best minds on it, including Tem Ray, Amuro's dad, and spent all the money that would've gone into building a new Side on getting the materials for it.
A lot of the base work had been done by Zeon with the Zaku and Zudah, so the Federation wasn't starting from scratch. Many of the concepts had been proven and most of the technology was based on the Zaku. But what the Federation did was spend several months refining and improving Zeon's tech whereas Zeon had their hands full just trying and failing to meet the production demands of the war. Then the Federation simplified everything for the GM so it could be easily mass-produced. By the time the White Base reached Jaburo, a lot of the components had already been built based on the V Project's development, they just needed stuff like the learning data in Amuro's RX-78-2 Gundam to complete it.
>>14183306
>Build a fuckload of them. GMs (the generic Gundam knock-off that shows up later) is basically a Sherman while the Balls (circular coffins) are the T-34s.
This.
The Zeon suits were high performance, especially near the end of the OYW with the Gelgoog and Rick Dom series of MS. It's just that the Feddie pilots were able to build up combat experience from Odessa onward and the Zekes were putting completely green pilots into their higher performance MS.
>>14183455
Oops, forgot to put in that in addition to pilots with more combat experience they also were able to manufacture greater numbers of MS.
>>14183455
LEARNING COMPUTER
>>14183472
Yes, the data is relevant, but don't forget the Federation pilots, even with this, were being given critically important learning time alongside the learning computer data.
>>14183496
Exactly.
Zeon had the combat experience advantage early war. And since they are supposed to be an expy of the Axis powers, it's likely they did exactly what Japan did and just let their experienced pilots fly until they died, instead of sending them back after X combat missions to be instructors like the US did.
So you have a Zeon MS force that's burning itself down as the wear goes on. Thus newer, objectively better suits are being issued to relatively more inexperienced pilots.
And it doesn't matter how great your gear is if you don't know how to use it.
The good boxer in the beat up Converse and ratty gloves $20 Wal Mart gloves would destroy the inexperienced layman with brand new Ringside shoes and $200 gloves.
>>14183084
they didn't shit it out, they've been working on it for a long ass time, the show doesnt start at the beginning of the war
>>14183125
>does char get a gundam?
Yes. Not in the anime though.
>>14183472
Why did this seem like a big thing yet turn out so small in terms of mentioned relevance anyway? I can't recall what it was even supposed to do, like, was it to make MS do shit on their own? Did post-OYW MS incorporate this tech? Can't recall it being brought up in later series, though it may just be the standard and thus nothing noteworthy to point out.
>>14183572
Wasn't it a precursor to Psy Commu?
>>14183572
>was it to make MS do shit on their own?
Pretty much, it records what you do and turns the actions with the best outcomes into macros.
>>14183572
It's actually kinda mentioned all the time, but never directly. For example, when the White Base captured Cozun in his Zaku, Amuro made use of the data hethought he'dcollected from his Mobile Suit to adjust the Gundam's behavior to better fight Ral in his Gouf.
Later on you get the Zakrello fight, where Amurobarely has to do anything because of all of the data the computer has been collecting
In the audience's view it can also beseen as a part of the reason why Amuro managed to actually develop into a greta pilot- the Learning Computer is collecting data every time he sorties, practices, etc, and though limited it is still helping him where normally he could've and would've died. Ultimately he matches and then outstrips both the computer and the Gundam itself, as we all know.
It does not seem to become a standard feature of Mobile Suits in the future, though many seem to at least be able to record data on machines encountered to let pilots know what they're up against. IIRC Crossbone or so also brings up Amuro's very own Core Fighter as a plot point.
>>14183572
its a computer full of movement macros basically, so that the fresh grunt doesn't need to learn all the precise controls for advanced maneuvering
>>14183572
>though it may just be the standard and thus nothing noteworthy to point out.
That's basically it. It's talked up in the beginning because it was one of the major features being tested in the Gundam. The Learning Computer takes pilot actions for basic movements (walking, picking up objects, etc.) and turns them into macros that don't require complex controls.
The main difference is that Amuro's learned a lot of his personal actions. Rather than having each new MS have to "relearn," the Federation just took the data from the Gundam and just transplanted those basic movement macros into all their suits so pilots wouldn't have to learn complex controls for what we see as simple actions.
So mobile suits after the Gundam don't really have the learning computer themselves, just the data from Amuro's.
At least, that's as far as I know, I could be wrong.
>>14183626
No, you're interpreting it correctly. Amuro learned, the computer remembered alongside him and bolstered what he did, this in turn was added to the GMs the Federation was building, and in turn not only were the GMs battle-capable from that, but their pilots, too, would learn on their own, although their machines could not learn like the Gundam could.
As has been said many times now, the Learning Computer data acted as a crucial extra skill boost for early GM pilots, and so they could get a little bit of time to learn how to survive on their own in their suits, unlike Zeon's pilots, who were thrown to the grinder with little to save them in skill terms.
GM pilot goes through training, sorties, gets his ass saved by his computer, learns from his mistakes, and fights better.
Gelgoog pilot goes through training, sorties, and dies because he has no idea how to do anything, and there's nobody to help him pilot.
>>14183626
>So mobile suits after the Gundam don't really have the learning computer themselves, just the data from Amuro's.
>At least, that's as far as I know, I could be wrong.
Sentinel mentions that prototype MS with learning computers are given to the instructor corp so that their actions can be recorded before production versions are issued. So it's not unique to the Gundam itself, though the Gundam's learning computer probably had better data than most others as it recorded real combat situations.
>>14183654
Ah, I don't know anything about Sentinel, I was just going off of my memory from 0079 and observations of the later series.
INCOMING SPOILERS, NEWFAG!
>>14183603
>It does not seem to become a standard feature of Mobile Suits in the future, though many seem to at least be able to record data on machines encountered to let pilots know what they're up against. IIRC Crossbone or so also brings up Amuro's very own Core Fighter as a plot point.
It's apparently already standard as a feature on most MS and not worth mentioning since it's assumed everyone has it. In Char's Deleted Affair, there are GMs updated with the latest data that the Federation apparently collected from Amuro's abandoned core fighter, the computer data allowed the GM pilots to perform extremely good evasive maneuvers that surprised even the veteran pilots trying to defend Axis, and allowed them to get a tactical advantage.
In Gundam Sentinel, the bad guys were doing research and development for mobile suit tech in the Federation. They snuck bad data into the software updates that they were developing for Feddy MS months before their planned uprising. Part of the bad guys' plans are to escape from their fortress and take control of a lunar city. The good guys chase them, and upon trying to conduct a drop operation from lunar orbit to assault and retake the city, the hidden code in the software activates and a lot of machines stop dead, leaving them easy targets and I think some were wrecked after crashing on the surface of the moon.
>>14183684
>that last one
What the fuck exactly was the point of him being revealed as a cyborg?
>>14183698
Shit I meant >>14183675
>>14183698
So he could shield Christina and not die right away, and talk for a minute or two before he finally shut down. If Lichty was just flesh and blood, both of them would have died immediately. There is no other point, he didn't do anything else with his artificial body other than protect Christina from most of the explosion.
>>14183174
>Maybe they did like the Japanese did in WWII and constantly had their experienced pilots flying until they died instead of sending them back to be instructors.
the Gelgoog was closer to the ME-262 in WWII. it was faster than anything the Allies were flying at the time but by the time it saw serious production they were outnumbered 5-1 by American P-51s with seasoned pilots while the Luftwaffe's best BF-109 pilots were long dead.
>>14183164
the Gelgoog matched the Gundam in speed and reactor output to power beam weapons but it still lacked the all-important Luna-Titanium armor and its reaction time was inferior to the Gundam's, especially after the magnetic coating was applied to its joints. Amuro essentially wrek't Char's shit the first time he used the Gelgoog because at that point Amuro's piloting abilities far surpassed Char's.
Is this supposed to make Char and to an extent Ramba Ral look like dindus?
Because it's working.
>>14183770
Origin will probobly gloss over their take on killing billions of spacenoids during the One Week War to focus on their minor roles during the colony drop like every other OYW story.
its kind of odd how the biggest loss of human life in UC is ignored while most of the emphasis is put on Operation British. sure the colony drop was a shocking act that destroyed a city and did major ecological damage but the One Week War saw dozens of colonies much larger than Sydney wiped out with nuclear and chemical weapons, and all we've ever seen of the destruction on Side 1, 2, 4 and 5 is some short flashbacks in Thunderbolt and 08th MS Team.
hell out of all the content about Char Aznable did any of it illustrate his attitude toward Zeons's absolute disregard for human life? he may have had his vendetta against the Zebis for killing his father but he never seemed to show any regret or dishonor for the actions carried out in the name of Zeon.
>>14183830
If it is faithful to the manga it won't. It directly shows the horror of the civilians trying to reach shelters and dying as the colony fills with poison. Iirc Ral is so disgusted with the act and subsequent colony drop that he refuses to take part in Loum.
>>14183830
Colony drop is visually iconic.
>>14183128
The Gelgoog is basically a gundam level Zaku
