Source: 語ろう! 555・剣・響鬼 【永遠の平成仮面ライダーシリーズ】 (2015)
Katarou! 555, Blade, Hibiki
ISBN-10: 4862552854
ISBN-13: 978-4862552853
Book of interviews with various people regarding 555, Blade and Hibiki
Interviewer is Tanida Shuntarou (谷田俊太郎).
Urobuchi Gen (pg 127-166)
-They reveal that during the interview in the previous book (Katarou! Kuuga, Agito, Ryuuki) Urobuchi had already been hired to work on Gaim, but wasn't allowed to talk about it. It was pretty much just after he'd been contacted by Toei.
-The interviewer reveals that Urobuchi had told him about this off-record that the belt was "fancy" this time, but when he heard rumours that it was fruit-themed he didn't believe even with this prior knowledge.
-The fruit theme came as a surprise to Urobuchi too, because when he met with producer Takebe Naomi she said she wanted him to bring Kamen Rider back to the early Heisei style. She told him that recent riders were getting repetitive and insular, and wanted him to break that trend, and when he agreed she showed him the orange.
-The word "Lockseed" hadn't been thought up by that time, but the fruit and lock theme was already there; They had photographs of a prototype for him at the first meeting, and an actual prototype at the second.
-To Urobuchi, "early Heisei" means Agito. Ryuuki and 555 were also turning points. To him the peak is Kuuga. But he feels that it's hard to categorize all of early Heisei together, since they all explored different paths. It was only from W and on that the shows in the series started heading in the same direction. He thinks that early Heisei was an attempt to break off from Showa, and once they'd explored all the possibilities and calmed they settled on what we have now.
-He watched everything from Kuuga to 555, but from Blade and on he did so on video, sometimes skipping episodes, so he's less familiar with those series.
>>13979001
-The interviewer talks about the surprise of a fruit-themed belt, and compares it to 555's phone. Urobuchi says he's completely fine with 555's phone. Urobuchi says that to him, the belt (and being a rider) has to be something scary, which is something that goes back to the original riders being Shocker mutants, and maybe he's just old but he thinks mobile phones are totally scary; There are plenty of horror stories revolving around them, after all. He notes how pervasive smartphones are and wonders why they haven't made a smartphone belt yet, wondering if it's because they already did 555. He mentions how cool 555 as a rider is both in terms of the design and the movements.
-The interviewer asks Urobuchi what he thinks of Hibiki's taiko. Urobuchi thinks it fits the rider's design and youkai theme perfectly. If he were just told "the belt is a taiko" he'd have been surprised, but if he were told "it's a youkai with a taiko" that makes sense to him.
-The interviewer mentions how playing cards were also used as the theme for JAKQ Dengekitai and Urobuchi comments on how easy it is to link cards to horror through gambling. It's easy to think up stuff with most themes, but he had real trouble thinking of how to turn oranges into something evil. He could only come up with food-related disaster, or natural disaster. That's how he reached "malice without a reason" = Hellheim. When turning plants into something scary, he figured that the only thing to do would be to focus on their ability to propagate and take over the environment . Another source for the idea was the power of organisations. He wanted to use something that would be scary for children, and figured 3/11 was the most scary thing at the time, and so went with natural disasters and the environment itself as an enemy.
>>13979002
-The interviewer mentions how Gaim had a lot of "fears". The fruit of Hellheim, the fear from killing someone, the fear of being fooled by adults, the fear of your own body changing, and notes how this is similar to early Heisei riders. Urobuchi says he's surprised he managed to get away with all this; At the very first meeting everyone told him to tone down the violence. He was wondering what the hell a non-violent tokusatsu hero would be, would this hero make his enemies repent with a catharsis beam?
-The interviewer recalls that during the previous interview, when Urobuchi told him (off-record) that he'd be writing the next Rider, he said he'd like to see something like 555 again, but Urobuchi said he'd been told that it's no longer possible to make something like 555. He asks Urobuchi what he thinks "something like 555" means. Urobuchi says they meant stuff like people being killed by monsters and turning to dust. The interviewer asks what about things like the first monster Kouta killed turning out to be his friend Sumii and Hase's death, and Urobuchi said they were necessary; He was, after all, hired to make something like early Heisei riders. What impressed him the most in 555 was how they seriously turned the protagonist into one of the monsters, and the Grongi in Kuuga were truly scary. He thinks that this is what defines Kamen Rider: For children, it's the next step after Super Sentai, that teaches them that courage comes from overcoming fear. He thinks that that hurdle of fear has to be one that gives a challenge and makes you feel like it was worth it to overcome it. If not, children will succumb when confronted with real horror.
>>13979028
-The interviewer asks is he's saying that "safe" stuff is actually not good for children, and Urobuchi says this is precisely it. It's not like monsters are going to jump out of the TV and actually harm people, so horror on TV ought to be exaggerated. It helps children to form mental images to train for real situations where they might actually get hurt. It beats bringing them to the middle east to show them what life is like there, to show them that there are places on Earth where people get shot and die on a daily basis. But that's something they'll have to handle when they grow up as an extension of their world, and teaching them that all that takes place in another world that has nothing to do with them so they have nothing to worry about isn't proper education. They ought to be taught that fearsome things really do happen in this world, and they should be prepared.
(That's pages 127-134, to be continued)
Might as well link the previous one as well
Katarou! Kuuga, Agito, Ryuuki, Urobuchi interview
http://pastebin.com/LCRJigxy
nobody cares
urobutcher is a faggot
>>13979002
Umm... he must not have seen den-o since he thinks Faiz was the last to do a smartphone belt gimmick.
Urobuchi is so based. Lots of interesting things.
Thanks a lot.
>>13979050
Didn't Decade have a smartphone upgrade as well that replaces the regular belt thing.
>>13979001
>>13979034
Urobuchi seems like an alright dude
>>13979055
IXA's upgrade was a phone too
>>13979050
It was a gimmick, but it wasn't the MAIN gimmick.
>>13979050
Upgrade!=core belt theme.
>>13979031
-Urobuchi says Hase turned out to be a great character so it's a pity he had to die. It was something decided upon in the planning stages so they couldn't back out of it.
-The interviewer asks if there were people against the plot point where it turns out that Kouta had killed Yuuya. Urobuchi says it was fine because there was this mysterious rule that it's fine if they're monsters, and that he'd been told, over and over, that the monsters are pretty much the same thing as zombies.
-The interviewer notes how riders typically do not use the word "kill" ("korosu"), substituting it with "defeat" ("taosu"), but Kouta did say that he wouldn't be a killer. Urobuchi says that the wording there was a conscious choice that he was ready to fight for, and that he was surprised that it got approved. When that sort of expression is clamped down on it's done thoroughly, but the criteria are a mystery, and he sometimes think it's entirely up to whether the people in charge are in a good mood. But one thing that they were absolutely thorough about was having anti-establishment children: He wanted the Beat Riders to be children rebelling against an establishment of adults, but was told there was no way he could do that. That's why he ended up having to turn them into these weird "dancers loved by the people and city". He wanted it to be about turf wars, but had to turn it into hobbyists who got approval from city hall to dance on official stages. He was fine with this since he didn't consider these to be main themes.
-He thought it'd be difficult so this was all expected. The people at Toei are afraid of complaints, and constantly told him about Fourze, where they received massive amounts of complaints from parents about the main character's pompadour hairstyle. This got them really paranoid and they now do their best to remove in advance anything that could result in any complaints.
(Up to pg 136 translated, that's all for today)
>>13979078
>The people at Toei are afraid of complaints, and constantly told him about Fourze, where they received massive amounts of complaints from parents about the main character's pompadour hairstyle
That just sounds bizarre.
>>13979091
The hairstyle is associated heavily with Showa "yankee" gangsters.
This makes me want to read an interview with Sanjo now
>>13979050
Faiz didn't do a "smartphone" belt gimmick, just a mobile phone gimmick.
He said that Rider never did one for the belt, which is true if you look at the main belt, although technically the K-Touch was smartphone-like and went into the belt.
>>13979095
That's kind of the point, since Gentaro is suppose to be a delinquent.
>>13979118
And parents generally don't like their children emulating delinquents.
>>13979002
>how easy it is to link cards to horror through gambling
Was he specifically thinking of this?
>>13979127
Im not sure how kids are suppose to look up to characters like Kusaka either, but tons of bad people are in these shows, but theyre only complaining about it when its about hair lol
>>13979034
Who else was interviewed in the Kuuga Agito Ryuki book?
>>13979135
Yeah Kaito was basically hitler and they were fine with that.
>>13979050
>train tacket
>smartphone
What?
>>13979155
But he was bishie and cool. So it's okay.
No little kid is going to actually emulate Kaito unless they're going full chuuni, but hair? That's easy
>>13979158
He probably means the K-Taros used by Climax form, although that wasn't a smarphone, just a common cell phone.
>>13979135
>>13979155
Kusaka and Kaito aren't the MCs you idiots.
Urobochi sucks.
>>13979104
Sanjo will have shit opinions.
>>13979180
You've never heard someone like secondaries/side characters better? MC doesn't automatically mean he'll most most liked. Like Char being way popular than Amuro.
>>13979055
Looks like a PSP.
>>13979231
>>13979221
Fuck you
>>13979224
>hurrrrr
Since you seem to be too fucking stupid to grasp what the discussion is even about, here's a summary for you, fucktard: Parents don't want the main character to be a gangster because they think their kids will emulate him, and complained about it.
>>13979132
Have you seen what happens to people who become compulsive gamblers?
It's a pathetic addiction, because like all others it drains your life of joy, money, and loved ones, but by its very nature, it's the worst drug out there because it only works a small percentage of the time.
So imagine that. Having your life revolve around moments spent in card games. Your entire existence in some way comes back to the fucking cards, and the CHANCE! Not even the certainty, the CHANCE of having it go well.
It's a dark road for the soul. A real human horror.
>>13979281
So what you're saying is we need another card-based Rider series?
>>13979269
The problem right there is the fact that Gentaro is a good person, regardless of his hair. He should be someone to emulate.
>>13979304
Oh so you are retarded.
Do you really think parents would watch the show before deciding instead of start complaining about how the new Kamen Rider is a degenerate hoodlum who will corrupt their children as soon as they see him, before the show even starts airing?
>>13979310
Of course. Kamen Rider Fourze is a wonderful show kids of all ages can enjoy! All the adults must be watching it with their children because Gentaro is so amazing and can ROCKET PUNCH SHIT and meteor can KUNG FUs the shit out of stuff oh its so awesome.
>>13979304
And every families should let their kids have a pompadour hair style on their heads and let they go to school looking like that?
I don't think so
>>13979321
UCHUU KITAA
>>13979321
*let them
>>13979118
He only looks like it.
I can sadly see some anons can't distinguish fiction and reality in this thread and want to let their children look like a faggot in front of other kids.
>>13979321
Do you think long ass dyed hair in early Heisei is acceptable school?
>>13979340
Who cares about the parents? Gentaro tried his best to be kamen rider and protect humanity. Hes a man that deserves great respect.
>>13979351
>in school
>>13979353
Perhaps the school setting of Fourze made the parents feel that Gentaro might be a bigger influence than other Heisei riders?
Anyway, I never cared for Fourze, Gamou made a poor end boss.
>>13979351
High school has rules disallowing stylish and dyed hair.
WHEN'S FAIZ
>>13979506
This is seriously one of the most interesting things I have read recently. His whole commentary on fear, death, language and education is awesome. There is so much context, social commentary and insight.
It is wonderful when people with so much critical analysis share their thoughts.
Are there any more interviews like this? Maybe from other people too.
>courage comes from overcoming fear
NEKKETSU!
>having anti-establishment children
>He wanted the Beat Riders to be children rebelling against an establishment of adults,
Z Gundam was really a big influence on him.
>>13979231
>>13979237
God-fucking-jammit, Masa!!
>>13979700
>Are there any more interviews like this? Maybe from other people too.
OP says the book has "interviews with various people", so most likely yes.
>>13979028
>would this hero make his enemies repent with a catharsis beam?
I guess he doesn't like Precure then...
>>13979977
Obviously I was asking for them in a language I can understand.
>>13979078
>The people at Toei are afraid of complaints, and constantly told him about Fourze, where they received massive amounts of complaints from parents about the main character's pompadour hairstyle. This got them really paranoid and they now do their best to remove in advance anything that could result in any complaints.
Guess that explains why Wizard was so bland.
This basically confirms that Toei is a company ruled by fear and controlled by puppets in suits.
What's sad is that I don't see a way out of this unless their ratings start to slip further than they already have.
>>13979078
>The people at Toei are afraid of complaints, and constantly told him about Fourze, where they received massive amounts of complaints from parents about the main character's pompadour hairstyle. This got them really paranoid and they now do their best to remove in advance anything that could result in any complaints.
What a bunch of wussy poofters.
>>13979410
What high school? Japanese, right? Because American high schools don't really have those types of rules. It really depends.
>>13981410
Yet people think American soccer moms are the only parents like that.
>>13979028
>He was wondering what the hell a non-violent tokusatsu hero would be, would this hero make his enemies repent with a catharsis beam?
Isn't that literally Ultraman Cosmos?
>>13981427
Japan is more conformist as a society. That said, whether or not that's allowed in American hair schools really depends on the kind of school; not American, but one of my Canadian high schools didn't allow overly stylized hair (it was also a school with uniforms).
>>13981445
Exactly. Dude clearly isn't that familiar with Ultraman.
>>13981455
Well private schools will definitely bar nearly anything out of the norm. A lot of dress codes in the schools I've gone to have been due to gangs and they weren't even official dress codes. Things like no hats were but people wore them anyway.
>>13981478
>no hats
It's like they want you to get skin cancer. Hats were mandatory during lunch and recess at my school. Shitty hats with gay looking neck protectors that we just rolled up into the head part so that they looked like caps.
sasuga urobutcher, what a faggot
>>13981437
>Yet people think American soccer moms are the only parents like that.
Ha. You should ask Precure fans about what soccer mom complaining did for that franchise.
Kamen Riders fight all the time right? Well just one Precure movie where the two mains fight each other (because brainwashing) and some little kids apparently were crying in theaters. Moms complained and now there can never be bad or ambiguous Cures unless they're obvious "Dark" or something. Even though it's one of the best choreographed fights in the franchise
It's because Toei is so popular and iconic franchises that these parents look at them
>>13981489
>>13981455
I remember one thing a guy who went for a homestay program in Japan said about hair. If you performed well in class and wasn't breaking any serious rules, you could get away with stylized hair.
>>13979001
Interesting stuff, the fear element is essential to rider, it's what makes it so interesting.
faiz remake when ?
>>13983497
Never.
>>13983283
>Toei is so popular
Thanks to those blasted soccer moms, the rest of Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo will never get adapted just because they thought it promoted bullying.
>>13983497
I think Kamen Rider 4 killed any chance of more Faiz happening
>>13983621
>implying Faiz won't just show up in the next movie anyway, with Handa voicing even
>>13983621
Why do you think they brought him back just to kill him off?
Why do you think this year's Kamen Rider has a "Ghost" theme?Just kidding. Toei isn't that smart
>>13983681
>Why do you think they brought him back just to kill him off?
Because they had a chance to end Faiz actually properly and they took it?
>>13979001
Oh, yeah, the first thing that comes to mind when thinking on early heisei is "oranges"
>>13979002
>and maybe he's just old but he thinks mobile phones are totally scary; There are plenty of horror stories revolving around them, after all
>He notes how pervasive smartphones are and wonders why they haven't made a smartphone belt yet
Good thing they didnt give that to him, it'd have been even edgier than Gaim. Also, someone tell him about Toqger
>>13979002
> It's easy to think up stuff with most themes, but he had real trouble thinking of how to turn oranges into something evil.
Heh, I thought so many times. We can criticize Gaim all we want, but the guy managed to pull something like that out of fucking fruit. That alone is great.
>>13980809
>This basically confirms that Toei is a company ruled by fear and controlled by puppets in suits.
Yes, its obvious if you watch the shows and much of it is controlled by Bandai.
Although it also said Gaim's producer wanted to make something different.
>>13984287
>Although it also said Gaim's producer wanted to make something different.
The ideas Takabe pitched was pretty much the same ideas that got rejected, but more Sengoku flavor with the beat riders fighting for turf and backstabbing each other: essentially the first 11 episodes of Gaim.
>>13983283
>now there can never be bad or ambiguous Cures
There have never been bad or ambiguous Cures and the fight you're talking about didn't involve bad or ambiguous Cures so I don't know how you took that away from it. You might make a case that Toei wouldn't allow Cures to fight each other again due to the backlash from that scene, but they did the same thing again in Fresh anyway.
>yfw OP disappears for another five months before doing the rest
>>13979001
You should translate the Urobuchi and Hagenaya interview next, OP.
http://p-bandai.jp/b-boys-shop/special-1000005824/
>>13980809
Toei can't air something that goes against the consensus of the parents, there is little they can do against that.
What bothers me the most about them is that they're cheap, they put the minimum amount of effort possible into their works.
>>13990342
>What bothers me the most about them is that they're cheap
Welcome to Super Sentai/Kamen Rider. The shows are made on a shoe string budget especially everything after the first 15-17 episodes. It's really a testament to the creativity of the staff that they can pull it off.
>>13990342
>>13990363
That's because Toei can't really handle making weekly toku anymore without Bandai's help.
>>13990342
>Toei can't air something that goes against the consensus
It's TV-Asahi, the main client that orders these shows. Both TV-Asahi and Bandai are the groups pulling the strings.
