We have to face facts /m/, the only way we're going to get real life giant robots is if we develop a direct neural interface.
There's simply no way to effectively control a giant bipedal human shaped robot with a control panel of switches and buttons. Not if you don't want your robot to fall when you walk over any change in elevation.
>>13652861
>There's simply no way to effectively control with a control panel of switches and buttons.
There's though, it's called computer assist.
>>13652861
You make that sound like a bad thing. Why would I want to control a job robot through the extremely inefficient method of buttons, joysticks, pedals & so on when I could place my consciousness inside it and BECOME the giant robot?
Also, we're basically never getting giant robots - not unless artificial muscles become extremely cheap and efficient so that they become a simple vanity object or something anyways.
Not that I mind personally. Giant robots are cool because they're fantasy I think. If they became a reality, they'd be bogged down in practical matters and their image tarnished by being associated with actual blood and death, as opposed to fictional stories that include those elements along with a lot of other stuff. They're more than likely never going to be real and I'm perfectly okay with that.
>>13652877
Oh no I'm not complaining. I think neural interfaces are the coolest things ever and the next frontier for medical science.
I can't wait to get a neural port installed on the base of my spine.
>>13652883
>I can't wait for some assholes pranksters to hijack my body and for advertisement companies to download spam mail straight into my cortex
and that's not even among the worst-case scenarios
>>13652861
>There's simply no way to effectively control a giant bipedal human shaped robot with a control panel of switches and buttons.
What about pre-programmed walk cycles?
>>13652877
>ot that I mind personally. Giant robots are cool because they're fantasy I think.
It's like with that real life giant robot duel that is being planned right now. The fact is giant robot battles won't look anywhere as cool as it does in fiction, so I dread the day that fight actually took place because I expect it to be a snoozefest.
Care to explain why your hypothetical mecha lacks even BASIC terrain mapping OP
No radar
No sonar
Not even optical
You can pilot a mecha with an Xbox controller. Just press Forward, and if you're not piloting some MegaBots tier POS with no actual electronics or avionics, it will literally handle all the movements on its own.
>>13652873
>>13652958
Enjoy stepping on shit you don't want to step on.
>>13652947
Idiotic, do you not know what "inverse kinematics" means?
>>13652861
You do realize that if they were to develop mechs, they'd have some pretty heavy computer assistance? Fighter planes (and to some extent passenger jets and bombers) of today have already come to the point where you can't fly them without their pilot assisting fly-by-wire systems. What makes you believe mechs won't have their own kind of fly-by-wire systems from the get-go?
In the original Mobile Suit Gundam the main feature of the Gundam was a user friendly self learning computer system controlling the thing. Zeon MS were also highly automated, relying on macro commands. In SEED the thing that the Earth Alliance wanted from the Strike and why they saw it and the Archangel so important was Kira's pilot assisting OS that allowed normal human being to pilot MS when previously only coordinators were capable of it. 00 had Veda providing significant piloting support and even after they lost it, there was a cut down backup of it available to the Gundam pilots.
Leaving the balance to the pilot would be the dumbest things you can do above motion-capture.
A properly programmed computer will always be superior to controlling a machines.
Modern pilot are just there to make informed decision knowing the limitation of the machine AND its control computer.
Arguably the walking-program and adaptive macros to make a machine walk and understand what material it is attempting to walk on, is the most complicated system keeping us from actually making a mech.
But a direct neural interface that can control anything, give feedback, and avoid misfiring in a (what if ?) stray thought is several magnitude harder.
We are talking current-day software versus picotech connector to braincells versus Sentient AI that recognize intent contextually and don't hijack the pilot brain
Because no, we ain't gonna control a robot just like we plugged a monkey to a robotic arms to feed himself.
>>13652976
>>13652977
And what happens when you need to do something that there isn't one of your infallible macros for?
>>13652970
Non-issue/intended.
>>13652942
If there's even the slightest danger of that happening then the technology allowing it simply won't be connected to the internet because no-one wants to risk the kinds of shit someone could do by connecting your brain and body functions to the internet.
>>13652983
>macros
Macros are North Korea tier. Your movements should be dynamically generated.
I N V E R S E
K I N E M A T I C S
>>13652947
It's more difficult to balance alarger object, though. Walking upright on two legs is pretty challenging stuff. Check out those weights on the robot in that picture.
>>13652977
>Sentient AI that recognize intent
Leady, Eiji!
>>13652983
Consult the Project V manual.
>>13652994
>Macros are North Korea tier
large bundles of straw with third-hand manufacturing arms moving the arms and legs controlled by old windows 3.1 macros
>>13653033
The DPRK Ministry of Culture released guidelines involving the uses of robots in fiction today. But their site's down, probably being DDOSed again by the Japanese, so I can't see what they are.
>>13652861
>direct neural interface.
As cool as the idea is, I'd rather NOT go insane in ten to fifteen years.
>>13653039
neat, I'll have to keep an eye out
Rodong Sinmun and Naenara are up at least, they don't have anything as far as I see.
>>13653059
Yeah, it was KCNA I was trying to read... they tweeted about it though so that's how I heard. If you find those out, post it, I bet this is anti-Gundam specifically.
Is there any mecha that can beat this?
>>13653073
Shit man, I don't know.
That's some advanced tech right there.
>>13652983
Machine figures out to the best of it's abilities what you're trying to achieve and does just that. As I said, we're talking about learning computers here.
>>13653066
https://twitter.com/dprk_news?lang=en
looking at some of these tweets I'm not sure it's legit
like the Trump one, or really any of them mentioning specific people
as far as I see they rarely mention anybody who isn't the leader of other countries, much less bringing up the concept of elections where you can vote for more than one person, like the bit about Trump calls attention to
>>13653096
yeah a bit more googling says it's fake
too bad
sage for 2x
I don't care if computer assistance makes traditional control panels possible
I WANT to use a neural control interface.
That shit would be cool.
I imagine an excavator with a giant human arm would be somewhat practical?
>>13653129
As long as the operator doesn't scratch his nose
>>13652877
I expect to see exoskeletal lifters and such used for industrial applications before military purposes, but the technology for mind-machine interface is actually already being worked on and getting surprisingly advanced (mostly it's for medical purposes, though, helping the paralyzed move again and stuff like that). It's possible that if that technology pans out well, powered armor at least will become a thing on the battlefield.
>>13652942
Spam-mail production and distribution will become a capital crime.
>>13652877
>Why would I want to control a job robot through the extremely inefficient method of buttons, joysticks, pedals & so on when I could place my consciousness inside it and BECOME the giant robot?
Introducing the next thing in porn: being inside the actress.
>>13653205This is my fetish
>>13653122
Why does this make me hard?
>>13653243
>Skintight suit
>Boob windows and transparent midriff
>Laying back in a slightly sexual pose
>"Fuck me" eyes
Answer your question?
>>13652873
>le macro faec
>>13652861
We already have it with those arm prosthetics that react to pec muscle movements.
>>13653256
Exactly! We're already making progress!
Now we need to show Evangelion to some military higher up and we're set!
>>13652970
You seem to be implying there are things I don't want to step on.
>>13653268
>"I didn't become a giant mech pilot to NOT step on things."
>>13652942
There's actually an amazing study from last year I believe where a monkey took over another monkey's paralyzed body via direct neural link.
They basically bypassed the paralyzed monkey's CNS and wired the healthy monkey into the motor nerves at the source (I know that's an oversimplification sorry, I'm not in neuroscience, I'm in Astro). In the future the idea is to wire humans this way so paralyzed people can start using their limbs again. It was really cool because it answered (in part) an old query about whether or not rehabilitation was preveneted in many cases due to nerve damage or just a catastrophic shock on the system that the body and brain can't recover from for whatever reasons.
Anyways why I linked your post. Imagine someone slapping a collar on you and using you as a puppet like that monkey.
The future is here.
>>13653243
Mari best girl.
>>13653248
>>Laying back in a slightly sexual pose
>>"Fuck me" eyes
REEEEEEEEEE MUH MALE GAZE
>>13653285
She is literally on laying down, back arched, legs spread.
That is god damn sex mode.
>>13653281
http://www.livescience.com/43443-monkey-brain-controls-another-monkey.html
>>13652983
> And what happens when you need to do something that there isn't one of your infallible macros for?
Nothing you could have reacted to without macros anyway,
One thing to know is that what you call "body reflex" are basically self-generating automated macros, because you ain't going to manually think about which particular muscles you want to move and how much.
Also, the human brain is pathetically susceptible to lapse in judgment, involuntary movements and estimation errors. Things you don't want when piloting a 100tons fun-sized mobile death dispensers
So at best we are talking of a Neural interface that chuck out all our mental order, psychoanalyze us to know what the hell the monkey really wanted to achieve (victory), see if there isn't better way, and do that instead. With luck it might resemble what we ordered.
>>13653122
Until the robot control you.and not just in soviet russia
>>13653285 >>13653292
I HAVE A DREAM !
I have a dream where girl can take any pose and look they want without it being called lewd or sex mode !
And I want to fully appreciate the artistic and social value of such sight, without it being called male gaze !
Then manhood will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.
>>13653281
>>13652861
Do you know why piloted robots are still called robots? Because they adjust for terrain by themselves. Video game controls are literally all you need for a robot interface because if it needed complex controls to not trip over it's own feet it wouldn't be a robot, it would just be a vehicle.
>>13653205
VR tech is already on the way there. Given how much of a sensory experience VR is even though it only utilizes two real senses (sight and sound) instead of the full range of human senses you don't need bodyjacking to get that kind of experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLqVxC6JWIM
As you can see from the video, they already have some sections to VR porn where it's shot from the guy's perspective so you'll "feel" like you're the porn starlet being fucked and there'll almost certainly be a niche market to cater to more of that. Or just regular stuff shot mostly/entirely that way from female consumers. Which would basically be the same thing.
>>13652861
It would be easier to just have a keyboard and have programs and routines that the pilot inputs depending on what the situation calls for.
