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>Shin Chan vs. Shin Godzilla Special: 07/22
>Shin Godzilla: 07/29
Discuss your favorite movies for the Godzilla Franchise and anything Godzilla related.
-How is your hype for Shin Godzilla?
-Are you looking forward to it, or are you disappointed with the outcome so far?
-What would you like to see from Toho in the future?
>>14484559
Shin Godzilla Concept Art, in case people haven't seen.
>>14484559
I'm looking forward to it.
I only really liked the very first Godzilla movie and so far it looks like they're trying to make something in the same vein.
The new Godzilla design is a little bit goofy compared to the American versions but I really like the fact that it looks mutilated and monstrous, it's the best way to reactivate the nuclear psychosis that fueled the first movie. Especially now that we've got those stories of people literally melting after being irradiated in the Fukushima disaster.
And to be fair every Godzilla design that came from Toho was a little goofy, but here it's played in its advantage because it gives it a grotesque look instead of just a silly look.
I'm really hoping that it leans more towards horror than the other movies. It'd be cool to see the effects of his nuclear breath on the human body up close.
>>14484559
>Shin Godzilla: 07/29
Wait, Shin premieres this month? Is the rest of the world going to get it too?
>>14484569
I really like the eyes
Get your bets ready on how this retarded cuck backpedals!
I'm putting my money on
>LOL I said the BEAM isnt shown i didn't say he doesn't GLOW purple!!
>>14484878
Just to clarify: People SPECULATE that the beam while be purple, because the new trailer shows his mouth and fins glowing purple.
Nobody's saying that they actually showed a purple beam so this guy's just being a pedantic chucklefuck.
>>14484716
Really? I find them to be...distracting at best and comical at worst.
I guess I'm used to big eyed Godzilla. But they went overboard with that in the past too.
>>14484885
>>14484716
Unless I'm wrong, The reason for him only showing one eye in both of those Drawings, is because Anno originally wanted Shin Godzilla is only have one eye.
>>14484878
$5
>>14484628
Illegally, of course.
Officially, maybe a couple of regions will get it. No chance in hell it's gonna get anything close to a global release, there's just no market for this sort of thing.
There've been rumors and a lot of BS talk about a potential American release, but nothing of certainty. Only thing I know is that it will likely be released on some platform in Germany, because apparently that's one of the few non-Japan countries where there's a minimal market for Godzilla movies.
>>14484569
The left one always reminds me of pic related.
New rumors from tokumei. Note that another user has provided an easier to read translation and I'll be using that:
-An Earthquake at Tokyo bay causing leaking somewhere.
-The Japanese Government thinks it's a Volcano, but it's actually a premature Godzilla(Tadpole)
-The Red Water has a awful smell, but the red water is actually Godzilla's Blood. The people inspecting the water are wearing hazard gear.
-Grown Godzilla(?) arrives at Kamakura's shore.
-Godzilla's atomic breath, possibly spreads or has a lingering effect, alongside the beam.
-The "twist" is that Godzilla is replicating himself. (Kaiju A(Tadpole)/B(Clonezilla)
-Godzilla's body while trying to replicate, shows different faces(Godzzila) in his body(?).
-During Godzilla's attack, he kills the PM of Japan(?).
-Godzilla sleeps at Tokyo Station for 2 weeks.
-A plan to use a train with a bomb to crash into Godzilla.
-Possible Train that crashed into Godzilla, has a poison to "kill' Godzilla.
This goji design is bad and the movie will suck. I have foretold.
>You'll never get a Aniki vs Godzilla movie
Why even live?
>>14485773
Sounds too straightforward for Anno, even with the replicating zillas being a visual metaphor for radiation leaks.
>>14486524
At this point, who knows.
Anno might be wanting to play Shin Godzilla safe, so that there is a possibility for him returning or not being seen as "The Guy Who ruined Godzilla".
If the self replicating part of Godzilla is true, that could mean that there is a possibility for Shin Godzilla to get a sequel, and maybe something more on the lines of a traditional Godzilla movie, or "Raids Again".
Imagine:
>Shin Godzilla Dies in the movie.
>Shin Godzilla 2.
>A New Godzilla is born and looks more "Healed".
>Another "Godzilla" is also born, but instead of growing, it's in a state of breaking down.
>Shin Hedorah is born.
>>14486600
Kek'd for double dubs, and SHin Hedorah sounds baller as all hell.
More to the point, I do have faith in Anno as a director, it's just that I don't have any clue where is state of mind is right now. The Rebuild movies must be hell to work on even if it gave him another opportunity to shit on the dumb side of the eva fandom, but right now he's living every fan's dream with this movie.
On a side note we do know Godzilla will have multiple forms due to the bandai figure lists, but I have a hard time imagining even they would stretch a "tadpole" form to the usual 16.5 scale. What kid would want a baby Godzilla if it's just as tall as the adult?
>>14486659
>>14486600
Addendum: Anno described Shin as being a "Super-Sized Godzilla" waaaaaaaay back in April of last year. While 118 meters makes him the largest Godzilla yet, that's hardly enough of a boost to justify the size hype.
Could "monster B" be Shin Godzilla once he's finished regenerating/growing/eating reactors/god only knows what?
>>14486524
Isn't official that Toho had an executive meddling over Resurgence?
>>14485891
This!!!!!!
Or we will never have Gachimuchi Island with Van Sama vs Aniki
>>14486672
Link please.
>>14486659
One of the original leakers mentioned that Godzilla's forms were:
>"Tadpole"(some translations were "Small Fish", "Small Fry")
>A Quadrupedal form.
>"Godzilla" form.
Some key notes from the same leaker was that the "Tadpole"/Quadrupedal is in the tunnels of Tokyo Station, and attacks a Bullet train/Train.
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It's stylized, like how the figures for Baby Godzilla(Heisei/Blue) was out of scale for the rest of the Heisei Vinyls.
(If True)People keep mentioning the Tadpole as if it will be a "Tadpole with Godzilla's face". It will likely look more on the lines of a Long and bloated Eel, with Godzilla's features.
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If what was posted earlier is true, then I'm getting GINO/98 vibes from the whole "Tokyo Station" being a resting area for Godzilla.
>>14486754
The idea of a tadpole also makes it sound like a knockoff of The Host.
>>14486754
>If what was posted earlier is true, then I'm getting GINO/98 vibes from the whole "Tokyo Station" being a resting area for Godzilla.
And that kills the rumor for me, no Japanese director would take inspiration from 98 on any level.
>>14486771
It does but it would make more sense biologically since Goji's an aquatic creature. It wouldn't make sense for an amphibious monster to start off looking like a shrunken down version of its grown up form.
>>14486771
Rumors have stated that Shin Godzilla is a "Ultimate" creature, a what if all animals on the planet was formed into one, and is a "Life absorbing lifeform".
What if:
>Shin Godzilla is actually Female.
>Shin Godzilla's behavior and function is based off a Surinam Toad.
>Godzilla's body is "ravaged", because of her young leaching off her body for nutrition.
>Her Whole body is used as a "Mobile Fortress" for her eggs.
>The "Many faces" during the supposed, "Self replication" scene, is actually her young budding out of her.
>Godzilla stops at Tokyo Station after not being able to return to the ocean in time. Using Tokyo Station as a "Nest".
>>14486811
As hilarious as it would be to watch tumblr shit its xxxxxxxl panties over a female godzilla being the most ugly, I think the nesting idea isn't well founded.
>>14486811
>Implying it isn't reproducing via budding like a giant reptilian cell
It's a face!
>>14486831
I want off this ride.
A user on TohoKingdom claiming to be a Japanese fan posted spoilers that lined up with what the 4chan user posted several weeks ago.
I'm willing to bet this is the plot at this point. Dumbass users on Tohokingdom are bashing this guy though.
>>14484559
Zero hype, not looking forward to it.
What I've seen looks rather poor, slow and dated even. The design is just silly.
>>14486844
>TK ever being right about anything
Now we know none of the rumors are true.
>>14485773
A user here posted something extremely similar. I'm willing to bet its true.
>>14486524
People who have read the script claim its incredibly straightforward.
>>14486831
If these spoilers are legit I can promise at this point the movie will end with Godzilla dead but his tail splitting off and starting the life cycle again and return for the next movie.
>>14486849
There was a guy who spoiled GFW 5 months before it came out on Kaijuphile, and no one believed him either.
>>14486831
Huh. My knee-jerk reaction is that this feels like one of those out-there movie concepts that normally get immediately shut down. But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see where this is going.
At worst, I can witness how the film crashes and burns, taking the Japanese side of franchise with it.
>>14486888
Kaijuphile wasn't dripping in autism and petty hatefulness either.
>>14486844
I hate being the guy who adds on to the TK discussion, but TK forum users are cancer, simple as that.
They'll completely trust the person who came up with the fake "Judas Leak", but the very moment someone who has actually been close to the Godzilla Franchise mentions something true, they'll attack them with mob mentality, and say they are lying.
>>14486899
On the contrary, I love it. This Godzilla is a fucked-up sin against nature, having another living being coming out of its body (maybe even feeding on it) is great.
>>14486899
Sounds great to me. Maybe not very original since many monster movies deal with the monster going through a life cycle but definitely something interesting and different for Godzilla himself.
>>14486948
Right, since there is nothing original in terms of writing/story/etc, so worrying about a Godzilla movie being "Original" is stupid.
It's like if they made a Ultraman series with Ultraman being a normal sized guy, who fights human sized monsters.(Manga)
>>14486974
that manga is garbage and has nothing to do with Ultraman. It's for millennials who think they're too cool to watch the real Ultraman.
Today I will remind them
>>14486974
>It's like if they made a Ultraman series with Ultraman being a normal sized guy, who fights human sized monsters.(Manga)
You mean Redman?
>>14486993
Jesus.
>>14487001
Yes.
I'd like to hold onto hope that this movie will be good. Both Toho and Hideaki Anno need this to succeed. And I'd like to think they've put forth an honest effort.
The term "shin" has multiple interpretations. God, true, and new. Given Anno's background, I'm thinking ShinGoji will be depicted as some form of deity. Anno seems to be looking towards Gojira (1954) for inspiration more than anything else and we all should be familiar with the messages of said film. Just taken one step forward this time. If the deity theory is correct, I think it will be handled in a similar fashion to the forest spirits of Princess Mononoke. Some natural entity is corrupted and driven to wrath by the recklessness of humanity.
But we also know that Shin Gojira will address the military and government, so I'm left wondering how all these elements could come together in the end.
>>14487172
American military forces enter the situation without a clear understanding of what's going on and fuck things up even more?
>>14486524
>Sounds too straightforward for Anno
Not really. Eva is like the only non straightforward thing he made, I don't know why people keep expecting this movie to be some total mindfuck when he's more than likely just going to make the kaiju movies he's dreamed of his entire career.
>>14487467
So Nadia being about alien hybrids fighting off a dictator's upstart using alien tech is a straightforward adaptation of 20,000 leagues under the sea?
>>14486899
It'd be pretty cool if that thing budded off and we had two Godzillas on the attack at the same time.
Does anyone think we will get a Godzilla vs Eva short attached to the new movie?
At first I thought the tadpole thing was retarded, but it DOES make sense considering he technically is an amohibian
>>14487620
I mentioned in another one that I could see it ending like that Lupin Green vs Red, where somebody then exclaims that the victor is the Shin Godzilla.
>>14488139
>technically an amphibian
No, Godzilla is not an amphibian. Godzilla is a reptile. How are you defining amphibian?
>>14488171
>>14488139
The original was the missing link between aquatic and terrestrial life. This one though we don't know anything other than he's a complete abomination.
>>14488171
As in living on both land and in water. Not an amphibian literally but Godzilla living on both has always been a thing and never really touched upon, hell 2014 was the first time where it's reflected that with the gills
>>14486844
So what were these spoilers? I'd hate to dirty my browser by going to TK.
>>14488115
I have a mighty need for this anon, a mighty need...
>>14487172
>The term "shin" has multiple interpretations. God, true, and new. Given Anno's background, I'm thinking ShinGoji will be depicted as some form of deity
The flyer says "destroyer god" under the "god" interpretation. Gimme a sec, I have it lying around.
>>14486600
>>14486811
>>14486844
>>14486855
>>14486888
>>14486899
>>14488519
"A true Godzilla", "a new fight", "a destroyer god".
Oh and I live in Japan and saw the new trailer and he glows purple.
The trailer is being shown before ALL movies in ALL theatres. The retarded article going around the internet claiming that it was only shown to a small amount of people at a specific cinema is a load of made-up bullshit written by a dumbfuck. Same goes to the idiots claiming that the purple glow is fake.
>>14488529
So all of the meanings are being used? But god seems to be the most important still.
What is the anticipation level and marketing like over there? How is it compared to the new One Piece flick?
And why hasn't this trailer leaked online yet? Not even 2ch?
>>14488534
Nobody really cares except the tokusatsu otaku who are cautiously lookinh forward to it.
>And why hasn't this trailer leaked online yet? Not even 2ch?
Because Japan isn't China.
Godzilla Resurgence will have a two hour runtime.
I just saw the new trailer before the FFXV movie at Shinjuku Wald 9. The purple glow is true. The "American" agent says that Godzilla is his DOD codename, and there's later a scene with gojira written in kanji where someone says it means "avatar of god" in an obscure Japanese dialect.
The fins, the red light below his skin, and the inside of his mouth all glow purple, and his roar sounds the same as usual.
>>14488958
I'd like to add: The purple glow scene comes after a cut to black with the roar and is the last scene in the trailer, and is its own pretty long cut. It's clearly NOT some sort of in between where he switches from red to purple below going blue as usual taken out of context, it's a constant bright Fanta Grape purple.
>>14489019
In the next scene, he'll sprout a purple halo and start flying to the tune of an tonally inappropriate kids' song.
So how long until the faggot in this pic >>14484878 backpedals and/or commits sudoku?
>>14489033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYDFYuw-5pY
>>14489061
That was just a joke, but then I remembered that Godzilla HAS flown once before. Surely Anno wouldn't be crazy enough to go back to that well.
>>14488534
>And why hasn't this trailer leaked online yet? Not even 2ch?
if they pop you for camming a theater it's a longer jail sentence than some types of manslaughter
>>14489080
It'll probably be online/tv soon anyway. Toho's pushing this movie hard.
>>14488534
>What is the anticipation level and marketing like over there? How is it compared to the new One Piece flick?
One Piece is major in Japan.
Godzilla isn't anymore. Literally nobody cares except otaku.
>And why hasn't this trailer leaked online yet? Not even 2ch?
What >>14488571 and >>14489080 said.
I love how the fucking retards on TK are claiming the purple glow is fake because HURRRR NO LEAKED TRAILER, since when the fuck has that ever been a thing? The Japanese follow the rules unlike those retarded ESL chink ricenigger scum.
Food for thought: what would everyone like to see in a new solo Mothra or Rodan movie?
>>14489425
I would rather have a new Mothra movie with Rodan as the villain.
>>14489425
>>14489432
Fuck that noise. They should finally do Godzilla vs. Rodan. Poor Rodan has never gotten to be a headliner in a fight movie, he's also either the secondary enemy or a sidekick. Even Anguirus got to be the main opponent in Raids Again!
>>14489425
You, Me and the remaining 500 kaijuphiles in US would love it - the mainstream would, at best - laugh at it.
Let's discuss realistic things, guys - a giant butterfly and a giant pterosaur won't carry a a 10+ mil JP production, nowadays, nevermind a 100+++ million western movie.
It will never, EVER happen, no matter what mental gymnastics you employ.
>>14489503
Unlike Rodan, Anguirus never got a Solo movie.
>>14489575
Which makes me wonder how they'll do them in LP's universe. That is if they actually make the movie(Godzilla 2).
>>14489100
>>14489019
>>14488958
>>14488529
>>14484878
Which is true?
>>14489575
>Actually giving a fuck about what normies think
Just how new are you? Plebians have garbage taste and that's been proven countless times.
>>14489575
>It's 2016 guys, don't you know you need a jewwood approved budget of six gorrillion to be a good movie?!
Gamera 3 had a budget of under 10 million and that movie cures cancer. If you want to watch a 100M+ waste of money, go watch brainless shit like independence day or jurassic world.
>>14489594
The movies aren't being made out of goodness of their hearts as a charity, you know?
A movie gotta pay for itself and hopefully make a profit, hardcore fanbase just won't do - it needs to be carried into the green by the "normies".
And believe me Mothra and Rodan aren't the western world idea of HYPE.
If the plebs aren't expected by the studio to stampede over to the cinema to watch it - it ain't gonna get made, son.
>>14489594
"500" Kaiju fans and their ideas on how they want a movie to be, isn't enough to make a movie successful financially. Companies depend of the Normies to be stupid, eat up what they put on screen, and the companies just endure whatever criticism the fanbase gives them.
>>14489609
Because they have "over the top Effects!" and stupid shit like that.
A lot of the issue is that most actors they hire, cost way more than some of the major props, CG, or etc.
>>14489620
Godzilla is a known name, but it's not a name that's going to print money.
TMNT/Transformers and it's sequels were garbage, but they are a brand(s) that Americans know, and will be more willing to go to the theater to watch.
>>14489080
Damn!! I guess there goes my hope for a cam copy. I remember getting most of my 90s Godzilla movies as cam versions ( complete w people getting up and walking in front of the screen) on tape. I guess they don't even have the theater owner/friends hook ups either. My ex knew a theater manager in Chicago back in the day. We attended a Attack of the Clones advance screening. After the show she was chatting with him, while he had people setting up tripods in the projection booth for him to run it again later as a "quality check".
>>14489620
>>14489624
>To hell with artistic integrity, shekels are the only thing that matters in cinema.
It must be awfully cold living in a world where the validity of a film is determined solely by it's budget and popularity.
Further more, why are you so insistent on a new rodan or mothra movie being made for americans? Are you one of those clueless fucks that thinks the japanese should just stop making monster movies because '14 didn't bomb like gino?
>>14489784
>mental gymnastics
>>14489640
As much as it sucks, this rings true. The genre has too much shit sticking to it that masses wouldn't swallow so easily. Technically the same is true for TMNT, TF and others, but those are more mainstream, western, and they have been way more accessible and relevant even before their latest movies came out.
Which is why Legendary will have to be cautious with expanding their franchise, and the plebs will have to be eased into kaijushit very carefully. And you also have to take international marketability into account. A lot of movies achieve their greatest success in foreign markets, and as luck would have it, monster movies in general and Godzilla in particular have never really taken off outside the US and Japan (and maybe Germany? I don't know). But all the negative stereotypes and misconceptions surrounding the genre *have* seeped into global public consciousness. As discussed at length in previous threads, even the 2014 movie's heavily mixed worldwide reception shows that this hasn't changed, that Godzilla remains a spotty brand name.
If Resurgence doesn't fail, Toho can still continue playing things safe and calmly churn out their usual low-budget stuff to keep the brand alive for Japan and for the fans, but as history has shown, that's not a very sustainable strategy, and it just throws the brand further into irrelevance.
>>14489640
Whenever the Japanese decide to devote some big effort or Americans manage to make a good film, Godzilla will become a more profitable brand. Until then, things will probably just continue as they have. Irregular periods of activity and inactivity.
And is Godzilla supposed to be a like a God Warrior from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind?
WHY IN THE FUCK HASN'T THE 2ND TRAILER BEEN RELEASED!
MOTHER FUCK!
>>14489784
>Are you one of those clueless fucks that thinks the japanese should just stop making monster movies because '14 didn't bomb like gino?
Not that anon but Japanese people are the ones who want Japan to stop making monster movies. Otakus don't count, they aren't people
>>14489822
> Not that anon but Japanese people are the ones who want Japan to stop making monster movies. Otakus don't count, they aren't people
I just think the Japanese needed a break. And they need time to get back on board again. Toho ran the genre into the ground between 1991-2004 with mediocre movie after mediocre movie. Now Toho is about to revive the Godzilla series once more. As long as they produce good movies and don't over-saturate the market, kaiju movies can probably make a comeback.
>>14489819
Fuck these guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT7ijnOHEDs
>>14489836
I don't know, as much as I love toku, maybe it was a Showa thing. The gap between Japanese special effects and Hollywood special effects wasn't so big on the 60s and 70s, arguably toku was more appealing from a kids perspective for the sense of wonder and being more action driven but nowadays it's too big.
>>14489865
Oh man the original, that's nostalgic. They're now up to the third or fourth iteration of that.
Camera guy really caught on, he has action figures and gacha keychains and they invite the dancer who plays him to variety shows. I wouldn't be surprised if the thing's had some effect on people recording shit in cinemas.
>>14489868
It's not that, the Japanese are ridiculously image-conscious and young people generally never watch movies (or go to yakiniku or yakitori places, or go to amusement parks, etc.) on their own: These are seen as group activities and must be done in groups, people who go alone are seen as losers with no friends.
In addition to that tokusatsu movies are seen as for children and otaku, nonsense for losers, and nobody dares to invite friends to go watch that stuff together because everyone would go "THIS FUCKING OTAKU LOSER WANTS TO WATCH A GODZILLA MOVIE HAHAHAHAHAHA".
This shit is so bad that it even applies to some extent (though not as much as with Japanese tokusatsu) to American superhero movies.
>>14489868
The lackluster Heisei Godzilla films were highly successful alongside American blockbusters like Jurassic Park and T2 in the 90s. It's not impossible to revive Godzilla. Toho just needs to slow down and dedicate the proper amount of time to produce the best films possible. Stop rushing them out on an annual basis and carelessly exploiting people's nostalgia for the Showa Era.
>>14489904
Only three even came out in America. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah shit the bed with its evil future American villains and Godzilla heroically saving Imperial Japanese soldiers in WW2, so their US distributor dropped the franchise rather than face the backlash from it.
The rest didn't get US releases until years later, and didn't go to theaters. Godzilla 2000 was the first Japanese Godzilla movie to get a US theatrical release since Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, and also the last.
>>14489973
> Only three even came out in America
Japanese theatrical runs, anon
>>14489979
That makes more sense. The comparison to American blockbusters threw me off, but I had forgotten that Japanese movies crushing everything not-Disney at the Japanese box office was a fairly recent thing.
>>14489973
Ghidorah didn't even get a theatrical release here and Biollante was direct to video.
>>14489785
Using stock phrases just shows how dim you are anon, especially when you're too flustered to type anything original.
>>14489973
they came out on VHS through Destroyah
>>14490126
Says the guy who can't comprehend the concept of Financial Viability.
I mean, not him - but can't I blame him treating you like a retard. There's a difference between being a Kaiju Eiga fan and deluding yourself into thinking it's some hot shit, anywhere in the world.
>>14490157
So you're relying on the crux of financial viability when I've already pointed out that smaller budgets can lead to more impressive movies than 100 million dumpsters, and thus trying to shift the argument from the possibility of a new movie for mothra and rodan to one of a baseline budget required for any new monster movie.
Same fagging, arguing about money instead of art... this all sounds so familiar...wait, what's that in the distance!
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Also if there wasn't a market for monster movies, '14 wouldn't have com into existence in the first place and Shin wouldn't have been greenlit. Wipe that egg off your face before salmonella sets in.
>>14486993
he Boot Too Big For He Gotdamn Feet
>>14490210
>So, everyone who doesn't drink your koolaid is a samefag, kid?
Kaiju Eiga is dead in Japan, Shin Gojira was only greenlit because of the moderate success of G14 - which only happened because of the power of sheckels and great marketting behind it. Toho wants a piece of that pie, but would be content with Godzilla staying dead, had G14 flopped.
There wasn't really any NOTABLE entry into the genre since Gamera the Brave a decade ago, which other Anon already explained to you the sociological why's behind it.
Also the genre is a shitshow, there wasn't really, baring Kaneko's offerings, a trully good entry - since the damn eighties.
You should be excited that the genre has the chance to escape to crucible of shit that Japan became, with its made-by-commitee movies and recent boner for Ps2 tier CGI.
Instead, you're thinking of reasons why it should remain the same, not getting any wide recognition and finally dying - because after this resurgence(pardon the pun), if it fades again - it won't float back up.
>Verdict: Go back to the TohoKingdom circlejerk.
>>14490290
This.
I know TK is visiting this thread, so it's not surprising to see them shit posting.
>>14490290
Godzilla 2000, vs Destroyah & vs King Ghidorah are genuinely good.
>>14490290
*slow clap*
>>14490386
>Godzilla 2000, vs Destroyah & vs King Ghidorah are genuinely good.
In the eyes of Godzilla fans, Yes.
In the eyes of Average Joes, No.
The the Average Joe's eyes:
>Vs King Ghidorah is a Godzilla movie with a confusing time travel plot.
>Vs Destroyah is a Godzilla movie where Godzilla dies.
>Godzilla 2000 is a Godzilla movie.
See a pattern?
There hasn't been another Godzilla movie that broke out of the "It's a Godzilla movie" stigma, and nothing that could be classed as a Generally good/wonderful movie in the eyes of critics, public, and etc.
Godzilla has the same issue as Animation does in the Oscars, it's looked down upon as a lesser medium, but where animation does try and exceeds it's boundaries, Godzilla does not.
>>14490426
>but where animation does try and exceeds it's boundaries
It does?
>>14490434
It usually doesn't go very well.
>>14490290
You are aware that Anno was attached to Godzilla Resurgence and working on his script long before Legendary released even the first piece of footage for G14, right? Toho approached him in January of 2013. And you also know that prior to the release of Final Wars Toho said there wouldn't be another Godzilla film for at least ten years, right?
I'll readily admit Toho's offerings in recent years have been pretty disappointing overall. But don't act the genre is dead forever in Japan or that G14 was some significant improvement over the Heisei/Millennium movies outside of visual effects.
>>14490426
> There hasn't been another Godzilla movie that broke out of the "It's a Godzilla movie" stigma, and nothing that could be classed as a Generally good/wonderful movie in the eyes of critics, public, and etc.
GMK? It's literally the most critically and financially successful Godzilla film of the Millennium Era. And Gojira (1954) is thought of highly in the eyes of most, fans and non-fans alike.
>>14490434
Compare the evolution of the Animation genre(as a whole) to the Giant Monster genre.
The Giant Monster genre has barely changed aside from updated effects and does nothing new with the genre to keep it alive, interesting, and or marketable.
>>14490447
G14 was supposed to come out back in 2012, and was being worked on way before that.
The 2012 script is nearly the same movie, but with a some major and minor changes.
>"I'll readily admit Toho's offerings in recent years have been pretty disappointing overall. But don't act the genre is dead forever in Japan or that G14 was some significant improvement over the Heisei/Millennium movies outside of visual effects."
It's not dead, it's on life support.
>>14490462
GMK featured Godzilla, Mothra, Baragon, and Ghidorah all together for the first time since Showa, so I wonder why it made more money than the previous movies with:
>The New UFO monster at the end.
>New Giant Dragonfly.
GMK still didn't brake out of the mold, It did something different, but overall was the same as the other movies before, just with more quality.
Gojira is a masterpiece because it wasn't a "Giant Monster" movie, it just had a Giant monster in it. It was more about the struggles caused by the stupidity of human and the destruction caused by the Nuclear bomb, in the form of Godzilla.
>>14490501
>GMK featured Godzilla, Mothra, Baragon, and Ghidorah all together for the first time since Showa
I like how you included Baragon as a significant selling point, even when Toho didn't.
Did Baragon ever even appear in the same frame as Mothra and Ghidorah? Godzilla just blew him up early in the movie and that was it for him. I guess it's still better than what he got in Destroy All Monsters.
Poor Baragon. At least you're better off than Varan.
>>14490507
Four monsters in a movie is better than three, plus Baragon was featured on the Poster.
Baragon in GMK was the "Young and Hotheaded brother" out of the three Guardians, instead of waiting for help, he rushed out to take Godzilla on his own.
Varan is deader than dead at this point.
>>14490462
GMK's great (though again let down somewhat by Toho's meddling and the short production time), but it's still "just another low budget Godzilla flick with a weird title" as far as most people are concerned. One entry in the genre that achieved brief notability among Japanese audiences (who went to theaters to see that Hamtaro movie and stayed for GMK) but has since been buried by later films. It did well enough to keep the Millennium series going, but not enough to guarantee the franchise any sort of mainstream fame or staying power -- although that is for the most part not GMK's fault, but the fault of the later movies.
>>14490517
>Varan is deader than dead at this point
Which is too bad, because the Varan and Anguirus that were intended to be in GMK instead of Mothra and Ghidorah were awesome looking.
>>14490501
Are you suggesting a monster movie can never be great? And GMK is easily one of the better films in the entire franchise and more ambitious than anything immediately surrounding it, tackling Japan's desire to forget the atrocities of World War II. The characters feel like a throwback to the ones from the Golden Age. With a larger budget and more time, Kaneko probably could have delivered something far greater. But working under Toho's restrictions, what he managed to do deserves praise.
>>14490529
I feel like you're talking out of your ass, buddy. GMK was a legitimate hit and had extended runs in Japan due to it's critical acclaim. Kaneko's kaiju efforts are recognized in Japan. He received the Nihon SF Taisho Award for Gamera 2 which is NUTS.
You seem to be blaming the lack of quality of the Millennium films for their box office performances, but there were larger issues at hand. The Japanese film industry completely died during that period, and even their golden child directors (Miike, Kitano, and Kurosawa) couldn't get work. American productions were killing domestic products, which is why Toho turned to Kitamara, who was primed to break out in Hollywood at the time.
>>14490547
To a degree, yes.
GMK is one of my favorite Godzilla movies, and it's way up there in the ranks in comparison to lets say, Vs Mothra, but while it's a step in the right direction, it's not enough to brake the mold and free itself.
If GMK was in the place of Final Wars, then it would've done way better than what it even done, but with it being succeeded by the Kiryu Saga and the Shlock film, Final Wars, The imagine is just as tainted as ever.
A Majority of this Problem, is Toho's fault.
During the development of Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee(The first fighting game) and Save The Earth(Sequel), Pipeworks had to fight Toho over the issue of Godzilla's Player 2/3/4 Color filter.
Along with the rest of the monsters, if Player 1 and 2 played as just say, Godzilla, then P1 would look normal, while P2 would have a Red/Blue/or green tint on their Godzilla.
Toho threw a massive fit and demanded that they changed this, because it could've "Damaged the Godzilla image".
I believe the Color filters stayed, but you get the point of how bad Toho is.
>>14490290
So at the end you pull out the No True Scottsman fallacy, and toss in the TK boogeyman to boot.
You never made it far in debate club, did you?
>>14490563
I'm putting the blame more on how, after GMK proved that there's still merit left in the franchise that can bring in crowds, instead of building on what made it stand out from its ilk and aiming higher, Toho went back to tired formulas and low-risk filmmaking with the following two films. Although I admit I liked the first Kiryu movie, and it was a huge step forward compared to stuff like Megaguirus, it felt so lackluster coming off the heels of GMK. Tokyo SOS even more so in spite of how much potential their concepts had. GMK, even with Toho meddling with the monster characters, expanded on its core ideas and had some genuine effort put into its story, themes and message. The Kiryu movies had some neat ideas but barely did anything with them. Tokyo SOS feels like it gives up halfway through.
I know things weren't going too well behind the scenes, the low budgets and dwindling consumer interest certainly didn't help, and Kaneko wasn't quite the yes-man that Toho wanted. But I feel they could have made better business (or at the very least better films) by not getting rid of him, giving him more freedom/time, or if they had simply tried to replicate what made GMK so well-liked. After all, the Gamera movies showed little money can amount to much if someone actually puts effort into their work, so they could have pulled it off with limited budgets.
The following movies with their lazy writing just pushed the franchise further down the hill, culminating in Toho scrambling to try and make something more ambitious with FW.
>>14490465
Where's that concept art from?
>>14489019
>>14488958
Guys what if the purple glow is because it's actually blue lighting up the red bits from underneath? If you mix blue and red you get purple
How bad is TK in general according to you guys?
/m/ should make a guide to kaiju forums
thinking of putting this in the banner contest, should I?
>>14491031
It's terrible.
>>14491104
alright, I won't do it
>>14491031
Nah
>>14491031
Please no.
Only the spergs in these threads give a shit about TK.
If /m/ went to war with TK or vice versa what would happen?
Superior question: How do website members fight each other? It seems more like "my site is better than yours". To be fair /m/ has some ground to stand on, link related: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPFcmPZptQU8np0q11s--yA
6 years later a lot of this mentality still holds up.
what does it mean?
>>14491318
Toho Kingdom having a punishment fetish?
You think TK will ever change? These people aren't beyond hope.
Toho Kingdom, once great, but it got polluted by elitism
>>14491318
>I call it, Bold and Brash!
>>14491318
JEWS
The fixation of the people in these threads is so fucking bizarre.
I can't believe that so many people give a shit about some fucking kaiju forum.
I mean
>>14490880
>>14490925
>>14491231
>>14491295
>>14491352
>>14491359
What the fuck? Godzilla threads on /m/ used to be great.
>>14491482
It's an autist who's trying to start something.
Godzilla threads are so terrible now.
>tk boogymen around every corner
>'spoilers' about a fucking tadpole, when Godzilla is a fucking reptile in All Japanese versions
>shit flinging
Toho Kingdom needs to learn about Aquarion Logos
>>14491626
This pic has never been funny, there's a reason you're the only one who posts it.
>>14491626
Why is Godzilla listed on there twice?
>>14491626
TohoKingdom needs to learn about how it's a fucking forum and should act like one.
>>14489822
Is this genre really dying in Japan??
>>14491674
Accident
>>14491695
It dies, Toho sleeps and then they come back again
Nips are experts at this shit
>post yfw you saw Crimson Spiral Ray for the first time
>>14485773
>Godzilla's a tadpole
What?
This sounds more like a Hedorah movie than a Godzilla reboot. Even the fucking plot, too...
>>14488529
....Is it likely Godzilla will be a tadpole?Can you read Japanese fluently?
>>14486811
The saddest thing is that sounds entirely like Anno.
>>14486811
Oh good it's Roland Emmerich all over again.
>>14492213
>....Is it likely Godzilla will be a tadpole?
The trailer makes it clear that the first encounter is with a "giant life-form" so no.
Do people really not expect Resurgence to be any good? We don't even know much about it. What all do we have? Two minutes of random footage and a vague synopsis? Something about Godzilla being the perfect organism or godlike. The film will contain an important message of some sort and politics (both international and domestic) will be involved. It has a longer production time than most Godzilla films and hundreds of celebrities will be making appearances. There is a fair amount of heavyweight talent working behind the scenes. We know the tagline: Fiction (Godzilla) vs Japan (Reality). There's the running time, which will be 1 hour and 58 minutes. At worst feelings should be neutral. Not outright pessimism or disgust.
Satomi Ishihara said Godzilla would be extremely violent and Shinji Higuchi said there will be plenty of dynamic non-stop action starting at the 1 hour and 10 minute mark.This should calm the fears of those who don't think we'll be seeing enough Godzilla. And unlike G14, it seems the focus will be devoted completely to the titular character.
Anno is looking to Gojira (1954) for guidance and he usually writes interesting characters. Can you name one project written or directed by Hideaki Anno that didn't have some engaging hook?
What is the problem? Are some of you so bothered by Godzilla's design that you have absolutely no faith in the film itself? Did we get an in-universe explanation for the monster's physical appearance in Biollante or G2000? It's not like Godzilla is unrecognizable.
>>14492640
The design is only half the problem for some people; what we're really worrying about is how drastic this film will be for Godzilla's character and background. We're scared that he'll have a new origin that's as bizarre as his design.
The abstractness and strangeness of this take on Godzilla is intimidating and makes people fear that maybe it will be too different from our idea of Godzilla. The fact that it's confirmed this Godzilla will have a new origin and this is its first time appearing in this universe gives an impression that the origin will be changed too much, and be too far off from what we're familiar with.
But, like you said, we don't know much about it. All we have are rumors such as >>14485773
I just want an actually scary Godzilla film, god dammit, and with a design that doesn't try too hard (though is definitely original and interesting).
You know what I would've done? I'd have made a retelling of the original 1954, or at least from a different perspective. Hell, I'd even keep it in black and white.
![[MaserScans] Monster Warrior Godzilla - 24.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9NvarSf.jpg "[MaserScans] Monster Warrior Godzilla - 24.jpg")
Maser Patrol posted a translation of a few obscure godzilla manga
![[MaserScans] Monster Warrior Godzilla - 28-29.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/32j1YHQ.jpg "[MaserScans] Monster Warrior Godzilla - 28-29.jpg")
>>14492930
Literally just finished downloading it and reading it too.
I'm dying.
What thinks Japan of the new Godzilla? they are hyped?
>>14492930
Ok, Godzilla tapping a giant hottie in a vine thong aside...
>>14492959
Jet Jaguar in a scarf riding a motorbike. I never knew I wanted something this badly. Look at that grin, he is enjoying every second of it.
>>14492987
Are you retarded? Read the thread.
>>14489886
>>14489100
>>14488571
>>14492959
Is Jet Jaguar the new Kamen Rider?
>>14493009
No, Jet Jaguar just perfected Kamen Rider.
https://twitter.com/HccvJPE8Dk/status/753200662578470912
I heard Toho Kingdomistan's emissaries were visiting.
>>14493101
Is there any reason why the retards there write the site name in fake Japanese as "とほ" instead of actually 東宝?
>>14492930
>>14492959
THAT's how you save Godzilla.
>>14493064
>the roar is the usual
Jesus fuck
>>14492750
Why is a changed origin such a frightening concept? I think one thing this franchise desperately needs is a refreshing change of pace, something that keeps the "spirit" intact but isn't too bogged down by what has come before.
The way I see it, G98 got it completely wrong by changing both the origin and the meaning of the character way too much. G14 (as well as the scrapped 80s and 94 American movies) were more or less faithful to Godzilla on the surface, but they mostly did away with the "horrors of man's hubris" part of his origin, diminishing his allegorical meaning, focusing more on the "force of nature" part. If Anno's gang can keep all the basic aspects, I don't mind if they change some details around. At least as long as they don't go overboard with re-imagining him. I admit some of the rumored ideas sound off-putting and can easily be badly executed on film.
What I'm actually afraid of is that the movie's plot and message might be unfocused, the tone uneven and that the human parts boring. This franchise needs a clear vision with a firm grasp on how to make it work, and not more of the "well, we tried, maybe we'll do better next time" mentality that's been plaguing it for so long.
>>14493933
That's the thing though, from what people's reactions to the rumors are, they get a 1998 vibe. I'm not saying your wrong, just that people seem concerned about that.
>>14493955
That's a valid concern, but I sometimes feel Gojifans (like most other autistic fandoms in general) get way too scared of anything different, and are way too quick to compare any sort of change to their eternal boogeyman, Godzilla 1998, regardless of what director or writer is at helm.
But maybe I'm only saying that because my perception is warped. I'm not one of those old-school fanatics who are quick to cry "not muh Goji" every time the brand takes a new direction. I got into the franchise through the Hanna-Barbera show and G98, so I was always more lenient with what I can accept as Godzilla (not saying that I regard either that cartoon or that movie as good reinventions, though).
>>14492640
I'm really hyped desu.
The idea of something different for a Godzilla film really excites me.
>>14491838
Nips are human elves but they aren't immortal. The showa generation is going to die eventually and the otakus have a very unhealthy way of life so they won't have a long lifespan
>>14490533
>Varan constantly gets kicked out of movies or his suit gets to damaged during filmin that they have to place him there and not do anything significant
His life is a hard one. At least he has his butterflies to keep him company
>>14492750
Isn't this godzillas origin is that he's the first Godzilla come back from that oxygen bombing.
The reason his healing factor isn't working is because he got fucked hard by the bomb
>>14494224
It'd be nice if it was a sequel to the first film, but, we don't know if it will be or if it'll be an origin movie.
>>14485621
That's true. A company called Splendid Film already owns the rights in Germany. They're probably bringing it to theatres in the big cities.
>>14494224
> Isn't this godzillas origin is that he's the first Godzilla come back from that oxygen bombing.
Incorrect. Shin Gojira is a complete reboot. It'll be the first time Godzilla, or any monster for that matter, appears in this universe. No connections to any previous film.
>>14492750
>>14493933
There has been a lot of talk about gods surrounding this film's production. I think Godzilla's depiction will be comparable to the Giant God Warriors of Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. His origin will probably be connected to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster instead of the American nuclear weapons testing back in the 50s (like the original Godzilla). Some rumors have mentioned Godzilla absorbing life, so perhaps Godzilla is an amalgamation of various lifeforms corrupted by radiation. He is something that shouldn't exist.
>>14494433
Neat. Is there any more news on it?
New images (1/3)
>>14494570
New images (2/3)
>>14494574
New images (3/3)
>>14494523
Not yet. Sorry.
>>14491318
The fuck is that?
>>14495379
>ShinGoji actually having a good promo shot.
It's amazing what not having the look down eyes can do.
>>14485773
train sounds stupid as heck but really what can you do. The rest sounds like just what could keep another solo-zilla movie interesting
>>14495379
Wow. A new shot. Good job, Toho. Looks great. Let's just hope he isn't crushed at the box office by the dude in front of him. And he does appear to be CGI here.
>whale skeletons in the tail tip.
What the fuck
>>14492750
Not like they havent done something similar before
>>14493604
would not be disappointed in the slightest
>>14495486
Yeah, whale...
>>14486831
>>14495379
callin it now. he's going to have a secret ace up his sleve like his magnetic powers in vs mechagodzilla. His tail is going to glow real bright and turn into a laser flail and save him from a sticky situation. Why else would they put all that extra detail into the ugly looking stupid end of the tail.
>>14494574
>scene pick up
u wot m8
>>14495486
Someone had a pic of the toy. It looks like a full blown skull on the end with eye sockets and teeth.
>>14495516
>tail turns into a laser flail
That sounds fucking amazing
More information and pictures:
http://www.cinematoday.jp/page/A0005069
>>14491955
>mfw
![Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 - Mechagodzilla's Death [nosound].webm](https://i.imgur.com/ocBvwks.jpg "Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 - Mechagodzilla's Death [nosound].webm")
>>14496229
fucking webm didn't attach ree.
>>14496150
Better image.
Prepare your bodies, anons. Toho might deliver.
>>14495455
>It's amazing what not having the look down eyes can do.
Well, where do you expect him to look?
>>14496150
>>14496242
it's gonna look like this with movie's piss filter of course
>>14495730
Think he means this.
>>14496555
>psst hey godzilla wanna go get a beer later
>fuck off tail im busy looking angry
the master at work
>>14496555
>>14495730
>>14496150
Cool shot, but where is the fucking trailer Toho.
>>14496600
Maybe that's the real reason why they made the tail so ridiculously long: at some point it actually splits off from Godzilla's body entirely and becomes a separate organism.
>>14485773
> The Red Water has a awful smell, but the red water is actually Godzilla's Blood. The people inspecting the water are wearing hazard gear.
> Godzilla's atomic breath, possibly spreads or has a lingering effect, alongside the beam.
Notice the people wearing gas masks and protective gear here >>14494578 and here >>14494570. And in an earlier thread an anon who claimed to have read the script mentioned a cleanup team of some sort.
> Godzilla's body while trying to replicate, shows different faces(Godzilla) in his body(?).
>>14496600
>>14486831
> A plan to use a train with a bomb to crash into Godzilla.
At least two different people claiming to have read the script have talked about explosives on a train.
Is this our movie, folks?
>>14496664
>>14496680
>batshit pile that combines Son's son with a dumb face, Raids' Godzilla with a dumb face, and Smog Monster's multistage tadpole thing
SASUGA ANNO
>>14496688
>Son's son
What are japan's reactions to the film so far? I know Godzilla isn't exactly popular over there anymore.
>>14494522
His origin will probably be connected to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster instead of the American nuclear weapons testing back in the 50s (like the original Godzilla). Some rumors have mentioned Godzilla absorbing life, so perhaps Godzilla is an amalgamation of various lifeforms corrupted by radiation. He is something that shouldn't exist.
....Rumor has it that they dropping the whole nuclear thing altogether due to said incident being too close to home (not like the Castle Bravo incident that started the Franchise in the first place). Then again, they knew that Godzilla represent the fear of a nuclear holocaust, so they have to leave it in. Also if that's the case, then I would like to see what Chernobyl Godzilla's like.
>>14496858
what if the movie has all these crazy ideas that hint at godzillas origin and you spend the whole movie trying to figure it out
but then the space men from nebula M78 spacehunter appear in their flying saucer and reveal that it was all part of their plan to harvest earth
>>14496764
A couple of Japs on /int/ said they aren't interested. That's as far as my knowledge extends.
>>14496858
Cast and crew have specifically mentioned Fukushima. One of the actors said the film will be a cathartic experience. And for all the talk about Gojira (1954), it would be cowardly not to address the recent nuclear disaster in some form. Unless forced to remain silent about it, I don't see Anno avoiding the subject.
>>14496858
>I would like to see what Chernobyl Godzilla's like.
I love the idea of regional Godzillas.
>>14496600
Could just be matrixing, seeing something there that's not really there.
>>14496235
>That "oh shit" moment
>>14496953
yeah the blue suit guys addressing the press is 100% Fukushima
>>14499553
SAUCE
>>14499553
I really like the smoke surrounding Godzilla in this shot.
It's the kind of CGI enhancement that works.
>>14499553
>late-90s CG choppers
bravo
>>14490533
Godzilla vs the three underdog monsters is such a great concept; I wish we could've gotten it.
So, does /m/ have thoughts on kaiju sites other than TK?
>>14500819
What other ones?
>>14500827
Does Monster Zero/Sci-Fi Japan Forums count?
Should this evolution in special effects worry or excite us? And although Higuchi wasn't directly in charge of the effects for Attack on Titan, I imagine he did have to sign off on them.
Gamera 3 - 1999
Attack on Titan - 2015
Godzilla Resurgence - 2016
>>14501034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8-mXOuf1_0
>>14501191
The VFX for Attack on Titan weren't bad (Except for the 3DMG thing, that shit was atrocious), but the titans looked really cool.
The camera work for the battles was shit though.
Also, it seems like the King Kong that Godzilla is going to fight is really big.
>>14501219
I think Kong in the new Kong is 100 feet tall. Still nothing next to Godzilla but still the biggest Kong has ever been. We'll see if he gets growth spurt when Godzilla vs Kong comes out.
>>14501195
So precious. Is she waifu material?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISRifRAKyI
>>14501266
Absolutely.
>>14501195
that is 17 levels of adorable
>Gormaru Island discovered DVD & Bluray Data Magazine has a new still featuring the anticipated helicopter battle. In an IMAX interview, Shinji Higuchi mentioned there will be lots of aerial shots with attack choppers playing a major role. He also teases a massive event an hour into the movie, but doesn't leave any bread crumbs as to what that might be.
TV SPOT
Not the greatest quality
https://twitter.com/TALTAL36/status/754168151596605441
>>14501798
YouTube upload. Includes new footage of Godzilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gchHJ4BNs1o
>>14501798
>>14501821
THE HYPE CAN'T BE STOPPED HOLY SHIT
So other than waiting for dvd/bd, will there be camrips?
>>14501821
Well, at least he can wiggle sightly.
>>14501798
>>14501821
>the usual roar
They're just still in the process of finalizing it for the finished film, right?
...Right?
>>14501892
I hope so, but I hear Japan's really strict about shit like that.
>>14501962
Aren't they supposed to reveal the actual roar during the Shinchan crossover?
>>14501892
>>14502128
Is there a chance that it may come out in some other countries where camrips are less risky to make? I know there was a German announcement, but I don't know if it refers to a genuine theatrical run or not.
>>14503032
I forget if China is getting a Release, if so, there's your best bet.
>>14503039
didn't the Rebuild cams come out of Korea?
>>14503045
No idea, wonder how strict they are?
How do we feel about the CGI?
