Alright guys I have questions if you don't mind?
Why was Gundam X never imported into USA after the success of Wing?
Why has it never received BDs till now?
Is Tiffa really best girl?
>>14332132
Blame Banrise. When Wing was a success they reportedly demanded that Toonami take and air 0079 next and wouldn't let them have anything else, because they wanted the US gunpla market to mirror the domestic one in success without any of the context. Toonami would probably still have gone for G, but they are also apparently to blame for pushing all the toys that saturated the market and helped kill it in the end. X would probably have followed Wing and G if they were given a choice.
Also, bureaus took ages because of lack of demand and Tiffa isn't even the nest girl in X, given that Tonya, Ennil and Pala exist.
>>14332168
> bureaus
Meant blurays, damn autocorrect.
>>14332168
But didn't they go with G Gundam instead of 0079?
I'm guessing that by the time that got over Gundam X already flopped in Japan and Sunrise had no plans to put a flop worldwide?
>>14332173
But they still haven't got a bluray yet, I just don't understand why.
When was Garrod shirtless?
>>14332201
I believe it was 0079 and then G. Which is why I said they'd probably still have taken G before X.
>>14332201
It's still due to lack of demand.
>>14332240
Hmm I guess so, kinda sucks what happened to Gundam around that time.
Yeah, but I assumed there would be sufficient demand now, especially it got its western release this week.
I mean, why are shit Build Figuters Try getting a BD before this?
>>14332251
It's more popular, and was from the beginning. I don't see why that's hard to understand. X getting a foreign release doesn't make it popular, it just means they're testing the water with everything and that the distributor wants everything. Most of them get a DVD release well before a bluray one really.
>>14332234
Are you really him or are we trying to force a new /m/e/m/e?
>>14332259
I know, I'm just venting a bit because of disappointment.
I find X to be a gem, so when I see things that I consider crap I feel disappointed.
>>14332268
Fill in, what's going on here?
>>14332268
Does it really matter?
>>14332268
I'm him, and please I promise to behave, just please help me with shirtless Garrod.
>>14332271
>Fill in, what's going on here?
Look at the previous SRW general. This guy REALLY wants some shirtless Garrod.
>>14332132
>Is Tiffa really best girl?
No.
She's great and all, but no.
>>14332321
What the fuck is this? I thought /m was clear from shit posters.
>>14332285
Fuck off from my thread.
>>14332321
He's also probably the same anon asking for shirtless Gaine in the Braves thread.
>>14332351
I hope you didn't help him there too.
>>14332360
Wait a sec, isn't Gaine a robot? Why was he asking for a shirtless robot?
>>14332338
Please Im just looking for shirtless Garrod, you fucking asshole.
>>14332132
toys.
short version.
>>14332234
Beginning of the second half of episode 16, Garrod is in swimwear at the beach. He has no nipples. I took a screengrab for you, and it also has a butt. Please post a picture of your butt as thanks.
>>14332410
Thanks but I kinda feel like my thread has been hijacked now.
I hate these assholes who do that.
>>14332168
0079 was actually doing okay until 9/11 hit and everything was taken off-air and censored to hell. The same thing would have happened to any Gundam series. It was a doomed venture from the start.
>>14332458
What a sec, I feel like X deserves so much more than what it received at the end.
>>14332168
X didn't have the toyline the other series had. It barely had Gunpla and no MSIA. It wasn't marketable.
>>14332449
When was he shirtless in his pants? That's what I've been searching for all day.
Shirtless Garrod please.
>>14332449
>>14332325
>There will never be a Para in a swimsuit episode
>>14332587
Shirtless Garrod Never
>>14332168
Tiffa isn't even the nest girl in X, given that Tonya, Ennil and Pala exist.
>Not Sala
>>14332458
0079 was there. It wasn't "doing okay" otherwise it wouldn't have been removed after the first excuse they had.
Shirtless Garrod drives my lust.
>>14332506
I tried but I couldn't find it for you. Sorry. If you can remember any of the circumstances surrounding, you can try looking through episode summaries on the gundam wiki (that's how I found the beach episode).
>>14332674
Anon I tried but I just can't find it either on my own ):
>>14332168
The more immediate reason is that gundam x failed miserably in ratings and had terrible mechandise sales but no renewed success in reruns like the original MSG. There is no fucking way any jp exec or western exec would use that title. Plus the realization that america might like different gundam titles only came about because msg bombed, not before it.
Shirtless Garrod
>>14332894
Gartless Shirrod
>>14332601
Sala was the best.
Poor Roybea though. You just can't compete with the Neate.
>>14332251
>why are shit Build Figuters Try getting a BD before this
Because it was made last year.
It's not "getting a blu-ray" in the sense any other older show would - when they made it it was always going to be released on bluray, like every single 1 - 2 cour shows of the last 6 years. Getting a BD isn't something special - it's the norm these days. They're just gradually releasing older shows to get them out on the latest and arguably the most used format (inb4 flyover state American or really poor South American/Eastern European/Iberian peninsula person says DVDs are still the most common), which right now is BD.
Don't mistake /m/ interest for real life interest. You'll often find that /m/ will deliberate pick out the most obscure or least popular entries and give them lots of praise - that is until it gets too much praise at which point it's complete and utter garbage.
>>14332251
>I mean, why are shit Build Figuters Try getting a BD before this?
Because it is a SUBSTANTIALLY easier and cheaper task to put a modern show in BD quality than an older one.
>>14332132
Tiffa a best and most moe.
>>14332905
Shartless Girros
>>14333256
Wait, have they actually announced BD plans for X in the US? I know they just rereleased the DVDs and was about to buy them.
>>14333253
seriously it's like "file->export->BD" vs finding copies, rescanning them, all sorts of shit
TIFFA
TIFFA
TIFFA
>>14333451
Shirtless Tiffa pls.
>>14332132
There wasn't enough merchandise based on X to give them a reason to push it here and they probably assumed it would have been as unpopular as it was in Japan anyway. That's why we got 079 instead since there was about 20 years at the time they could dump on us if it did well.
>>14332132
>>14332168
>>14332259
>>14332791
I don't think things like X not doing as well in Japan on its own was the roadblock. Yes, it wasn't successful, but that was largely due to Gundam burnout - it was the fourth *consecutive* series on the air. Aside from about 3 weeks between the end of Victory and G's premiere, Gundam had literally been on the air nonstop four four years. The problem was mainly:
>>14334799
That. There was basically zero merchandise whatsoever for X. Even for 0079, I believe they had to raid some 08th MS Team merch in order to meet the demands of what US toy sellers wanted. In hindsight, X was basically the *ideal* series to follow Wing as far as television went. It was similar to Wing in numerous respects, while introducing themes and tonal elements that would have been great for testing the waters for UC series. But it just was never going to happen when the extent of the X toyline was more or less a handful of gunpla kits.
>>14334870
You'd be hard pressed to convince businessmen to adopt a show that got cancelled in its own country, even if it had merchandise. Executives rarely judge a show on its own merits or themes, especially considering the costs of licensing.
>>14332132
>Is Tiffa really best girl?
Only if your definition of 'best' means 'most autistic.
>>14334887
True, but anime was hot in the U.S. at the time and other failed/mediocrely receieved shows found audiences and success here. Gundam X absolutely should have followed Wing.
Speaking of merchandise, was X the first Gundam series to not get a videogame based on it? Was the state of the series really so bad it couldn't even get a cash-in vidya?
>>14335222
>Gundam X absolutely should have followed Wing.
No. It has a completely different tone. SEED was better suited for that role.
>>14335222
Bandai seemed to have much less synergy back then. Gundam Wing only got one standalone game of its own, near the ending of its run, and the same goes to G. So, in X's case, it was likely easy to stop any project they might have had.
>>14335222
>True, but anime was hot in the U.S. at the time and other failed/mediocrely receieved shows found audiences and success here.
Wait, what shows?
>>14335367
wing aired on toonami in 2000. seed wasn't even a glimmer in fukuda's eyes at the time.
>>14335400
big o? flcl? outlaw star?
>>14335477
>big o? flcl? outlaw star?
those were considered failures?
>>14333451
>Tiffa constantly sees visions of calamities and apocalyptic scenarios happening in the future, and partially believes them to be true
>Garrod proves each prophecy wrong, time and time again
>She starts believing in people more because Garrod has proved the future is not set, and through one's actions can a desirable future be reached
>DOME even mentions this when saying that Newtypes aren't real, and that people with psychic powers aren't any more special than the Oldtypes without psychic powers
Man, this shit was great.
>>14335514
If only they actually had managed to get Amuro Ray's VA to voice DOME like they originally planned to, that would've been a nice callback
>>14335477
>big o? flcl? outlaw star?
None of those were failures. They were mediorce at worst. Big O season 2 was definitely a failure though from a financial planning perspective on cartoon network
>>14335667
Speaking of, FLCL 2: Electric Boogaloo is coming out. I expect it to go the same way.
Garrod is prettiest girl.
>>14332132
man, after watching both Victory and G, X is a little boring. When does it pick up?
>>14335514
Did it never occur to DOME that the only reason the future changed was because Garrod was told about shit beforehand and thus took active steps to prevent it?
>>14335770
Gundam X is the previous generation's IBO for pacing.
>>14335843
Actually, I don't recall Garrod ever being told about any of the prophecies Jamil and Tiffa made. They always kept it to themselves, and Garrod just pulled his own weight to do what he believed he could and should do. That's what DOME meant: Instead of just waiting for the future to be created by some Newtype Jesus analogue, Garrod took active steps to create it himself. That's why it changed.
>>14335884
I distinctly remember Tifa taking up painting to try and put some of the visions she had in a more tangible form and the crew trying to make sense of it. On one occasion she had a particularly bad premonition and Garrod swore he would do all he could do to prevent it.
Jamil never made any predictions. He lost most of his newtype ability, except for the one episode where Lucille's spirit helped him regain his abilities temporarily.
>>14335891
From what I remember those paintings were just the locations of Newtypes, and the crew had to try and make sense of what they were before they could set a course there. That's how it worked for the Fort Severn and coast paintings, and the only paintings she did after that were Katokk's wife and child, and her and Garrod. What episode are you thinking of?
And Jamil did make one prediction, at the end of the 7th space war along with Lancerow. He strongly believed in the future that he saw where Newtypes would create the future, but DOME told him why that was wrong.
>>14335490
Big O failed in Japan
>>14332132
Did X only flop because of the time slot or was it because of something else.
>watching Gundam X
>dolphin episodes
I'm not American, so now I'm a bit 'intrigued. What did you expect, american anons, after the end of Gundam Wing?
Did you know already that Gundam was a cyclical saga? Did you expect a Wing sequel? A series with a similar tone? You did not expect anything?
>>14336198
It flopped because it aired so close to Evangelion
>>14337136
That's a stupid excuse. Wing aired during Eva and not only survived but thrived.
>>14335477
Big O originally ran on a brand new TV station that almost no one had yet
It had more success later when they reran it to advertise the blurays.
>>14337090
I expected it to be replaced by a competely different non-Gundam show because back then Toonami's only really long running shows were DBZ and Sailor Moon. Of course when 08th, 0079, and eventually G came along I figured the franchise was yearly one-offs like Power Rangers.
>>14337090
My first wasn't Wing. It was G and I was expecting a 14th Gundam Fight show to happen next. I also expected a Zoids Class S series to happen after it was all that talked about late in the show.
>>14332338
>I thought /m was clear from shit posters.
In your dreams, maybe.
>>14332201
>I'm guessing that by the time that got over Gundam X already flopped in Japan
Toonami picked up Wing like 5 years after X ended or some shit
>>14337090
I had internet at the time so fond out about how Wing related (or not) to the rest of the franchise.
>>14333256
>>14333300
Hiraiface Tifa here
>>14339142
unf
>>14336185
No it didnt, it was just average. If it failed it would have been cancelled after s1. S2 is the one that failed
>>14339215
S2 was commissioned and co-produced by Cartoon Network. There wasn't originally going to be an S2 at all until it got popular enough in the states to warrant CN getting them to make one.
>>14336198
People were burned out on all the constant Gundam series airing back to back. V, G, Wing, and X all aired in consecutive years, and people were getting sick of it.
>>14339305
Is that happening now?
00, SD, Age, BF, -san, Reco, Try, IBO, Unicorn? Nevermind all of the OVA's... non-stop from 2009 through 2016 and likely beyond.
>>14339305
Wrong
>>14332168
The True Story™ is that they couldn't bring it over because Jamil is the ONLY black guy in the whole show. True story.
>>14339420
>Jamil
>black
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>14339420
Compared to Gundam Wing where there are NO bad guys?
>>14339440
black*
>>14339438
quick somebody photoshop Jamal Neate
why would they do X when Turn A was just finishing in Japan.
They actually toyed with trying to do Turn A but Bandai wanted to promote the new Gundam 0079 dvds and they weren't willing to offer anything else.
>>14332603
I remember refusing to watch 0079 as a kid.
>>14339807
Because it was old or because was no Wing?
And Endless waltz? Was broadcast on TV as Ova or as movie?
>literally sixteen years ago
damn...
>>14339821
movie
>>14339559
Jamil is already a black muslim name, no need
>>14337090
Shortly after Wing started airing ( a month maybe) I spent allot of time on the internet looking for everything Gundam I could. I came upon Mark Simmons website and learned all I could about all the Gundam shows out at that time ( Turn A was the newest at the time). I recall finding English subbed only versions of 0080 and 0083 from some random Chinese video store by my house. I also was watching the original dubs of the 0079 movies around the time when Wing was on, the ones with British Bright. I think I may have even saw that first movie before I saw Wing, but maybe not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv2NYuK1z_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXQYsYwmxo
I never really had expectations, as soon as I had Wing in my sights the whole franchise was opening up for me and I was just hoping to see all that I could from the back catalog.
>>14339858
It's funny how Toonami touted these as new episodes where in Gundam 0079s case it was 22 years old at the time.
>>14339821
Both, really.
>>14339858
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXQYsYwmxo
Evertiem
Jesus.
>>14335868
This...isn't entirely wrong.
It's easier for us to roll with GX's pacing since we basically came across it all done up and there for us to consume at whatever rate we so choose.
Japan didn't have that option when it aired. They got one ep per week and had to make do.
and with some of the arcs in GX...yeah, I imagine they probably felt the similar IBO feel of 'When the fuck is something gonna happen?'
Rewatching the series, I'm really not that shocked to hear its ratings weren't spectacular. It really plays better in a controlled binge than small doses.
>>14341824
GX is really good if you go on a binge per arc (with a night or two just for in-between episodes like Ennil's and Toniya's Night Out).
>>14332132
What the fuck do you mean "blurays"?
There is literally no such thing in ANY search engine that suggests the existence of a BD release. If there was, I would have bought them today. But since there is no such thing, I just purchased the DVDs...the only option available.
Reminder..one more time: there are no BDs of Gundam X.
>>14332132
>Why was Gundam X never imported into USA after the success of Wing?
X was seen as a failure in Japan, and Banrise at the height of "what Japan likes is exactly what the West would like"
>Why has it never received BDs till now?
It has never recieved BDs, not now and not ever. It has had Japanese DVDs for a while, which is what got released in the West. X is still pretty unknown in Japan so I doubt they expect they'd make the money back for a BD transfer.
>>14346621
>It has never recieved BDs, not now and not ever. It has had Japanese DVDs for a while, which is what got released in the West. X is still pretty unknown in Japan so I doubt they expect they'd make the money back for a BD transfer.
The DVDs sold more than 10k in Japan last time we got numbers for them. That's low compared to SEED, Destiny, Wing, etc. But it's around the same level of the last few seasons (G-Reco, IBO).
>>14346629
Aye.
Expect X to be the very last of the Gundam series to get an HD master. It has sold the least of all of them and the cancellation during its original run soured it in the eyes of executives.
On the plus side, we'll probably see a full blown 4k scan for Zeta first. Becauase it was the first to receive it's now ancient (2007) HD scan.
Do people in this thread not realize Mobile Suit Gundam was also cancelled and seen as a failure in its day?
>>14346861
It wasn't seen as a failure, it just wasn't an absolute smash hit. Clover withdrew funding because Tomino didn't want to put their shitty toy gimmicks in his show. And then the movies+new toys came out and it was a massive hit.
>>14346861
It bounced back after it ended thanks to the model kits, movie, and rebroadcast. It's only the initial airing that did poorly. After over a decade of raking in huge amounts of money it was nowhere near the risk X would have been to air.
>>14346873
Do we have any ideas as to what the toy gimmicks were and when about in the series they were to be introduced?
>>14346915
what we do know is that the Gundam was meant to be a solid gun metal grey, and "White Base" was meant to be purely black.
Needless to say sponsors were having none of that an demanded he color everything to look fanciful so that they would look better as toys.
After that point Tomino began to grow a seething hatred against sponsors.
In 1989 in an issue of Newtype he said "the enemies of Gundam are Sunrise, Sponsors, and TV stations."
>>14347164
No, I was talking about the fact that all three V Project mecha would have had interchangeable parts. Torso, legs, etc. I think there was something else that I've forgotten too. And as I recall Tomino didn't gain a hatred of sponsors just from the initial changes.
>>14333229
>You'll often find that /m/ will deliberate pick out the most obscure or least popular entries and give them lots of praise - that is until it gets too much praise at which point it's complete and utter garbage.
QFT
>>14346873
>It wasn't seen as a failure, it just wasn't an absolute smash hit.
Don't re-write history. It failed bad.
Mobile Suit Gundam failed on its initial run, and they were forced to cancel the show early and reduce the episode count to an odd number, 43 when originally it was to be 52.
The show received an underground cult following through re-runs when Bandai was given new licensee status for merchandise over Clover. This happened exactly one year after MSG. The money that was pulled in from all those model kit sales raised enough revenue to fund the creation of the Mobile Suit Gundam Trilogy and then Zeta Gundam.
