Why was Showa Godzilla so bad after the original? Is it just the general rule of Showa toku being bad in general or did they just try to squeeze as much money out of the character as they could?
Pretty sure this is still considered good.
Went too kid-friendly. No, it doesn't have to be as dark as the original, but this is too far in the other direction.
>>14189216
Was popular, made money, audiences didn't want serious shit anymore, nor did the studio higher-ups. Then the movie industry went to absolute shit in general.
>>14189216
Because the original was an allegory on the horrors of nuclear warfare meant to illustrate the devastating effect THE BOMB had on civilians who had nothing to do with the war.
>implying late 60s/early 70s wasnt the pinnacle of kaijukino
>>14189979
>_____kino
Oh god please no keep /tv/ memes out
>>14189216
Except you're wrong.
>King Kong vs Godzilla
>Mothra vs Godzilla
>Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster
>Godzilla vs Ebirah
>Son of Godzilla
>Destroy All monsters
>>14189216
Do not imply in front of me that Megalon is not the best movie ever made.
>>14190153
I've seen you in /tv/ hypocrite faggot.
>>14190602
And?
I said to keep the memes out. "kino" is literally the worst of the bunch.
>>14190726
Too bad bitch, because kaijukino is on the rise and will stomp out capeshit once and for all
>>14191077
>kaijukino
Isn't it just tokusatsu?
>>14191796
It's Kaiju Eiga.
>>14192010
>Kaijū (怪獣 kaijū?) (from Japanese "strange beast")[1] is a film genre that features monsters, usually attacking a major Japanese city or engaging other monsters in battle. It is a subgenre of tokusatsu (special effects-based) entertainment.
>Related terms include kaijū eiga (怪獣映画 kaijū eiga?, monster movie), a film featuring giant monsters or a single monster; kaijin (怪人?, referring to roughly humanoid monsters); and daikaiju (大怪獣 daikaijū?, giant kaiju), specifically meaning the larger variety of monsters.
Huh
>>14191796
"kino" implies the highest und deepest philosophical and artistic analysis of a subject matter, its the opposite of "shit" (see capeshit/capekino).
Why there's no Jet Jaguar?
The Mothra movies were the best.
Better than any Godzilla one
Favorite Showa Godzilla?
>>14189216
Weren't the first 2 or 3 sequels rather close in tone to the original? I guess by the time of Ghidorah you had Mothrah going around translating kaiju speak, but it was still toned down compared to later Showa movies.
>>14192712
First (Godzilla Raids Again) tried to keep the tone, but it was surface-level at best because it was a rushed sequel.
Second sequel, King Kong vs. Godzilla was full-blown comedy campy cheese.
Third, Mothra vs. Godzilla was the only one of the first few sequels that tried to be serious, but since Mothra got involved, it was more of a fun fantasy monster movie.
>>14192671
Toss up between Ghidorah, The Three headed Monster and Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
>>14190175
>Godzilla vs Ebirah
>Son of Godzilla
No. The rest are fine. Especially because the suit in son of looked like an atomic pile.
>>14192891
Minya is the worst kaiju.
>>14190175
>>Mothra vs Godzilla
That's the only one I'd be willing to call good out of those.
Are there subtitled versions of all the Heisei Godzilla movies? I really want to watch some Biollante that isn't dubbed.
> Is it just the general rule of Showa toku being bad in general
>it's a /krg/ thread
>>14192970
Worse than Gabara?
>>14192981
At least Gabara isn't pure nightmare fuel.
>>14192978
Name a single legitimately good Showa tokusatsu made before 1988 that is not the original Godzilla, which in itself is still hard to watch because of it's age.
If you say Kamen Rider I'll fucking strangle you.
>>14192998
Not that anon, but Choudenshi Bioman.
>which in itself is still hard to watch because of it's age
The original Godzilla is one of my top five favorite films of all time.
>>14193014
It's still hard to watch. It's in black and white and the effects don't exactly hold up.
>>14192998
You do realize this is all subjective, right? Just because you don't like pre-1988 toku doesn't mean other people feel the same?
>>14192998
Kamen Rider is a legitimate answer though.
Not to mention Ultraman and Ultraseven.
>>14193020
>doesn't mean other people feel the same?
Those people are hipsters or nostalgia fags. Most in this thread I think agree with me.
>>14193028
Or you're just a dumb dick?
>>14192975
Yeah, if you torrent otherwise probably not.
>>14193016
>black and white make it hard to watch
I too am a youth born after the fall of the Berlin wall, lulz2u!
>>14193104
Welcome to /m/ toku 'fans'
>>14193153
But I'm on /m/ and I'm a toku fan and I enjoy showa and black and white...then again I was also born during the showa era so~
>>14192998
Daimajin
>>14192309
The original Godzilla vs Mothra was great.
But the heisei Mothra trilogy was pure dogshit.
>>14193166
So Gojira, Raids again, and King Kong Visits Edo? Those are the B/W Showa toku that I'm aware of. Mothra, Varan, Rodan and beyond, all color. No I'm not saying B/W is difficult to watch, just trying to find the point in saying there were that many to begin with.
>>14193214
>Varan
That's black and white, since it was originally meant to be shown on TV.
>>14192998
>>14192998
>which in itself is still hard to watch because of it's age.
If you have adhd and cant appreciate the special effects work(aka what tokusatsu means) is your flaw, not the movie.
That said, from what i've watched.
>kr1-stronger
>ultraman leo
>goranger, sun vulcan, bioman-liveman.
>gavan
>>14193220
Nice catch. Sorry about that. That's still a grand total of four.
>>14193240
daimajin
gamera
>>14193244
I forgot about the friend to all children too. Fuck I'm off today However,
>Daimajin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk6HWrFSxg
>>14193214
I was thinking more along the lines of Yojimbo, Seven Samurai, etc. Not necessarily b/w toku.
>>14193277
>I'm a toku fan and I enjoy showa and black and white...
Well it's not easy to follow that without examples.
>>14193214
Astro Boy did get a B/W version.
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=781925
It'll take a while before it gets full subs though.
>>14193293
I admit that was worded poorly. Please forgive me Anon!
>>14193451
Huh, well honestly I don't follow Astro Boy enough to really take notice of it. The whole post-war thinly veiled white devil thing kind of turned me off. I don't think we had the greatest response to the Japanese but it was necessary to help them through the post-war transition back to normalcy. Maybe clipping their balls was a bit much.
>>14193462
No worries. Hell, I was wrong about Varan and forgot Gamera.
Prince of Space was b/w
>>14193493
the Prince of Space tv series too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-Qj2F1Enk
>>14193493
Oh Space Whitey, won't you ever learn?
>>14193598
I'm not sure it is, but it's possible that the spooky grin face is a comic version of (Ambassador Phantom of the Planet) Krankor
>>14193630
Krankor is totally supposed to be a thinly veiled proxy for Whitey. Long nose, moustache the fact that he comes from another culture and wants to take over the worldor Japan.
>>14193640
neat
I love evil white guy characters, they're loads of fun. Like back when Jeff Jarrett was working in Mexico, he'd come out throwing tortillas at the crowd.
>>14193654
It's the same for Astro-Boy, they couldn't have obvious media that was remotely militaristic or anti-American after we came in and re-molded their culture and disarmed them. So they did it in this manner where it was veiled and less obvious. Hell being associated with old propaganda was such career poison that if it wouldn't have been for his toku work on Godzilla Eiji Tsuburaya wouldn't have had a career.
>>14192998
Kamen Rider Amazon, go fuck yourself.
>>14192671
Terror of Mechagodzilla. I know its fairly formulaic, but it feels like the perfect version of that formula. Plus, best MechaG and Titanosaurus is awesome
>>14193023
The Ultra series have aged better than other 70s shows.
Does anyone know of a site where I can watch subbed Godzilla movies? If I go digging around I can find dubbed versions, but those always drive me up the wall when they've got one or two bad VAs, or worse, an adult trying to dub a fucking kid.
I like a lot of them. Remember that Ishiro honda himself directed some of the odder entries in the series. I think after the first one Honda felt they had said their piece on that, and felt free to do different kinds of movies with Godzilla. He did satire with King Kong vs. Godzilla, magical realism with Mothra vs. Godzilla, sci-fi fantasy with Invasion of Astro Monster, weird art film/social commentary with All Monsters Attack.
>>14194272
There's a torrent that is a collection of all the movies BDrips and all have the official Toho (so king Caesar is correctly named king shisa). Only downside is they dubbed over Don Frye in Japanese
>>14194388
Official Toho subs*
>>14194388
Do you have a link or name for it?
>>14194557
Godzilla complete boxset. Excepting the Don Frye/every english user being redubbed into japanese and oddly not subbed in final wars it's pretty perfect.
>>14194617
And in a couple of the movies (thankfully not good ones) the subs are a little mistimed
>>14192891
>watching Son of Godzilla for Minya
>not for Kamacuras or Kumonga.
>>14192998
Ultra Q
Ultraman
UltraSeven
Return of Ultraman
Ultraman Ace
Ultraman Taro
Ultraman Leo
The * Ultraman
Ultraman 80
Gamera
Gamera vs Barugon
Daimajin
Yokai War: Spook Warfare
Mothra vs Godzilla
War of the Gargantua
Spectreman
Ambassador Magma
ZoneFighter
Megaloman
Mirrorman
Fireman
Jumborg Ace
Dinosaur War Aizenborg
Fucking faggot.
>>14194945
Which ones, I haven't noticed. However the ones I dl'd are
>53
>Raids
>Vs. Kong
>Vs. Mothra
>Vs. Ghidorah
>Invasion Of Astro-Monster
>Destroy all
>Vs. Gigan
>Vs Mecha
All of Hesei starting with Return
and GMK.
>>14194980
>I was even considering Minya
I will grant you it might have been unclear when I said
>atomic pile
>>14194998
I'm talking about the film that doesn't have Gabara, you know.
>>14195011
I don't like it. I know you're not talking about Revenge.
>>14192998
Hrm, let's see
From Toho's Godzilla series:
Raids Again
King Kong vs Godzilla
Mothra vs Godzilla
Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster
Invasion of the Astro Monster
Destroy all Monsters
Godzilla vs Gigan
Godzilla vs Mecha Godzilla
Terror of MechaGodzilla
Godzilla 1985
From Toho non-Godzilla
Rodan
Mysterians
Varan (sort of)
Birth of Japan
Battle for Earth
Mothra
Matango
Atragon
Dogora
Frankenstien vs Baragon
War of the Gargantuas
King Kong Escapes
Lattitude Zero
Yog, Monster from Space
Toho's TV Tokusatsu:
ZoneFighter
Megaloman
Rainbowman
Diamond Eye
Ushiwaka Kotaro
From Tsuburaya's Ultra series:
UltraQ
Ultraman
UltraSeven
Return of Ultraman
Ultraman Ace
Ultraman Taro
Ultraman Leo
The * Ultraman
Ultraman 80
From other Tsuburaya Series:
Mirrorman
Kaiju Booska
The Last Dinosaur
Fireman
Dinosaur Exhibition Team Bornfree
Dinosaur War Izenborg
10-4, 10-10
Dinosaur Warrior Koseidon
Jumborg Ace
Mighty Jack
Triple Fighter
Andro Melos
Shall I continue?
>>14194997
THIS!
classic Ultraman is dope
>>14195071
Yes!
>>14195071
More from Tsuburaya:
Time of Apes
Star Wolf
Bermuda Depths
Daigoro vs Goliath
Toei's Movies:
Legend of Dinosaurs and Monster Birds
Magic Serpent
Toei Sentai:
Gorangar
J.A.K.Q Densekital
Battle Fever J
Denziman
Sun Vulcan
Goggle V
Biomen
Changeman
Flashman
Maskman
Toei Rider series:
Kamen Rider v3
Kamen Rider X
Kamen Rider Amazon
Kamen Rider Stronger
Kamen Rider Skyrider
Kamen Rider Black
Others:
Silver Mask
Iron King
Super Robot Red Baron
Giant Robo
Ambassador Magma
Spectreman
Daitetsujin 17
Robot Detective
Japanese Spiderman
Kaiketsu Zubat
Inazuman
Android Kikaider
Kikaider 01
Gappa
>>14195105
>Legend of Dinosaurs
is that any better when it's not in nth generation shitvision from the KTMA episode?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxceqsl2Q30
>>14195105
Others:
Flying Saucer War Bankid
Assault Human!
Moon Mask
Captain Ultra
Battle Hawk
Sekai Ninja Sen Jiraiya
Prince of Space
Chojinki Metalder
Spielban
Juspion
Shaider
Sharivan
Gavan
Denjin Zaborger
Dennou Keisatsu Cybercop
Dokincho! Nemurin
Lion Maru
Ganbaron
Giant Phantom Monster Agon
Kaiketsu Lion-Maru
National Kid
Nebula Mask Machine Man
Ninja Captor
Pro-Wrestling Star Aztekaiser
Seven Color Mask
Space Ironmen Kyodyne
Super Robot Mach Baron
Tetsujin Tiger Seven
>>14195120
The DVD released has it Japanese and English. And it's MUCH better. Same with Green Slime.
>>14195146
>>14195105
>>14195071
So as you can see
>>14192998
There's totally no good Tokusatsu series or movies between 1954 and 1988.
>>14195146
>>14195105
>>14195071
Oh, let's get some Out of Japan Tokusatsu too.
Gorgo
Inframan
At the Earth's Core
King Kong 1976
King Kong Lives 1986
The X from Outter Space
War Lords of Atlantis
Others from Japan:
Monster Prince
Mystery Trek
Some others from Daiei:
Whale God
Demons of Mount Oe
And hell, let's throw Redman, Godman and Greenman in here.
>>14194997
>The * Ultraman
>tokusatsu
Cool story, bro.
>>14195403
Anime based on a Tokusatsu can count.
And he's since been 3d.
>>14189216
the og movie is hardcore commentary about the a-bomb, and also peoples terror at discovery following the invention of the atomic bomb
one of the characters represents a scientist who's dead set on wanting Godzilla to stay alive so mankind can study and learn from it, and he resents the living shit out of everyone who wants to kill it because they're afraid it'll fuck with the status quo
on the other hand is Serizawa who wanted to invent new shit for the good of mankind but in his work creates the oxygen destroyer which he is terrified mortally of it's discovery as a weapon.
In the end Serizawa dies with godzilla to prevent knowledge of both the oxygen destroyer and godzilla from being learned at large, and preserves the peaceful status quo for his normie loser friends. The vanity of Serizawas death is open to interpretation by the viewer.
>>14189216
STOP HATING SHOWA GUYS
>>14195105
/krg/ would heavily dispute you on those Rider series
>>14195576
They'd dispute everything showa.
>>14195576
>V3 and X are good
>The original series is somehow bad
I'd dispute his choices too.
>>14195576
>>14195587
It's been like 8 years I've seen showafags crying non-stop, only you moved from claiming the whole board hates your shit to "/krg/ hates it". Why are you guys such fucking victims?
>>14195605
go to bed heiseicuck, you got BTFO already in here
>>14195594
The guy said, and I quote, if I used the original Kamen Rider as an example, he'd strangle me.
>>14195605
Cause Showa's good.
>>14195605
>dah heisei is best~!
You probably think Family Guy is godly in comparison to Looney Toons.
>>14195627
If we're talking Kamen Rider, Kuuga is probably better than any Showa era KR, even though I do like Showa.You cherrypicked Family Guy and you know it. There are plenty of great cartoons on nowadays. To keep the "genre" of cartoon consistent, though, let's compare the better "animated sitcoms about a family" from today and back in the day. Bob's Burgers and The Flintstones, maybe? If that's what we go with, nowadays wins by a landslide.
>>14195654
HeiseiCuck.
>>14195662
>I do like Showa
Holy shit. >>14195605 was right. I can't even like both without showafags getting butthurt.
>>14195619
>>14195627
>dah heisei is best~!
Are you fucking dyslexic or something? Where did I imply a preference at all in my post? I'm just calling you out in your annoying victim complex.
>>14195675
MilleniumFuckface. Bet you jerk it to Garo and Godzilla Final Wars.
>>14195676
Fuck off, Showa had some good series. Showa had some bad series. Guess what, there's some shit in the Heisei series and some good ones.
Godzilla vs Biolantte? Good.
Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla? If you like beam spamming, meh special effects, and bare Japanese 50 year old ass, then sure, it's the movie for you.
>>14195678The original Godzilla is one of my top five favorite movies. That said, if you ask for my top ten favorite Godzilla movies, probably over half will be Heisei. None will be Millennium. I'm hoping Resurgence will be good.
>>14195675
You probably either said that to save face or only like Black.
It's irrelevant either way since Kuuga is superior to the majority of Heisei too so it's not like that show stands alone as the representative of Heisei like you want it to.
>>14195687
>almost all of them would be Heisei
What are you? SH. Monster Arts? Gotta milk Heisei for everything it's worth?
tfw you like every era of godzilla movies
heisei movies are great but tend to drag
showa movies drag but are often more interesting on the human side
millenium movies are a crapshoot but GMK and Mechagodzilla/SOS are pretty gook
>>14195703
And the Showa films didn't rely on BEAM BEAM BEAM BEAM. The monsters actually physically fight each other.
>>14195711
Yeah and they fight like men in suits breaking any kind of illusion these are supposed to be giant beasts
Godzilla should not fucking box and do peace signs
>>14195691
Yeah, except I didn't say Heisei was better than Showa overall. I just said Kuuga specifically was better than any Showa series. It wasn't meant to reflect how any other Heisei series measures up.
>>14195720
Show me where he did that in movies like Destroy All Monsters or Mothra vs Godzilla. Go ahead. Show me.
>>14195720
How is Godzilla supposed to fight then. Enlighten us.
>>14195735
inarticulate clawing, biting, tail whip, sheer bulk, nuclear pulse, atomic breath
Not fucking boxing
Recently rewatched '54. Going to watch every Godzilla movie I can get my grubby mitts on, in order.
Besides that, and the '90s Gamera trilogy, what should I watch?
>>14195745
>Nuclear Pulse
Oh, you mean the shit way he got out of grappling back in Heisei? And all those other ways that bored people to death in Heisei? So it was just beam spamming? Mmmm, thunder thighes and no-contact fighting! Sooooo goood.
>>14195757
Now Showa fags are getting really salty that you actually defend something like this
Not all franchises are created equal buddy. Many Showa toku series were masterpieces and pioneers of their genre. Showa Godzilla after a certain point was a painful farce that you're trying to portray in a favorable light because the actors slapped each other awkwardly.
Were Showa-era Gamera movies as bad as MST3K made them look?
>>14195771
>cherry picking the kick
You know how much edgy shit was in Heisei?
>Man Ass.
>Space Godzilla kidnapping Little Godzilla
>Godzilla getting crippled and revived by Rodan dieing.
>GODZILLA DIEING.
MMMMMM SOOOO GOOOD.
>>14195772
Gamera vs Barugon is actually VERY good. No child, decent subplot with human thieves.
>>14195776
>Godzilla dying
OMG SO EDGY IT LITERALLY HAPPENED IN THE ORIGINAL FILM
>>14195776
>Godzilla getting crippled and revived by Rodan dieing.
This was an incredible moment though and has more emotional depth than any modern capeshit movie has yet to depict.
What's worse is that I bet you think the end of Son of Godzilla was really poignant huh.
>>14195783
>>14195772
It was so good that Barugon was proposed for a revamp in the 90's trilogy. But they chose Gaos instead.
>>14195790
Rodan was only in that film cause 'WE WANNA MAKE GODZILLA AND MECHAGODZILLA SERIOUS'
>>14195787
Except not
>GMK
>Godzilla Resurgence.
Literally the First Godzilla coming back from the dead.
>>14195795
>movies made decades later reflect on the original work
>>14195783
Can you give me a comparable Godzilla, quality-wise? We talking 1954 Gojira level of awesome? Godzilla vs. Mothra? Vs. Biollante? I need a metric here.
>>14195795
Pretty sure in Resurgence it's back from the dead in a literal enough sense that he still died at the end of the first movie.
>>14195802
Going by the scripts of said movies, buddy. Like how the Ultraman series 'ended' when 80 was, and only came back when Mebius was around, despite there's been series galore between 80 and Mebius.
>>14195809
Eh, I say it's a little lower then Mothra vs Godzilla. Gamera's barely in it, it's mainly the humans dealing with Barugon.
>>14195795
Yeah no shit, the initial intent with Heisei was to bring Godzilla back to the original serious tone while still maintaining some Showa elements like him fighting other monsters. The minute they tried to go full Showa with Mothra and Spacegodzilla is when they fucked it up hard and needed to salvage and put a lid on things with Destoroyah.
>>14195790
You think that scene was touching? Really?
>>14195813
Are you a literal retard, he died at the end of the original. End of fucking story you dumb nigger.
>>14195825
Execpt when they went full Heisei with Godzilla vs Biolantte, people wanted more Showa elements.Because spoiler, having a barely moving enemy and a flying potato shaped mech isn't what Godzilla should be fighting.
>>14195795
>back from the dead
>from the dead
That means he died. He didn't wake up from a nap. He was dead and now he isn't. Like Christians believe happened with Jesus (not making any claims for or against here; just using it as an analogy).
>>14195832
Except films prove otherwise.
>showa vs Heisei the thread
If Heisei Godzilla was so good why did it fail in these areas:
The 1993 proposed Godzilla anime, animated by the group who did the original Tenchi OVA, failed.
Why did it spawn Gojiland and Godzilla Island?
Why can't get any proper DVD release?
Man. Heisei is super good, huh?
MMMMM HEISEI
I'm surprised there's no Godzilla x Sentai x Kamen Rider x Ultraman crossover, the closest was that baseball and racing game (which also included gundam)
>>14195953
there was also this one
http://www.tohokingdom.com/vg/bsoccer/teams.htm
>>14195953
Why's that surprising? That's a lot of licenses they have to procure.
>>14195776
>You know how much edgy shit was in Heisei?
There was a shitload of edgy shit in Showa too. Look at all the blood in vsGigan (through stock footage, in vsMegalon as well), and vsMechagodzilla.
>>14195953
Well, that new City Shrouded in Shadow video game is gonna have Godzilla, Ultraman, and (not yet 100% confirmed) Eva in it.
>>14196181
they were able to do those but not a live action one-off?
>>14195552
Thanks cliff notes.
>>14195627
>>14195685
>Fuck off, Showa had some good series
I have no words for this. Can you not fucking read? I'd assume you don't even know basic English, but then I can't explain how your posts were written.
I wasn't discussing the quality of Showa shows at all. I wasn't comparing them to Heisei ones, either. I was just pointing out how the Showa fans on /m/ are annoying victims constantly crying about people supposedly hating their shows.
>>14195152
>prince of space
>good
YOUR COPYPASTAED LIST IS USELESS AGAINST ME
>>14195748
That pretty much covers if senpai.
>>14195748
Daimajin trilogy.
Ultraman The Next.
>>14195748
I liked Rodan, Mothra and Atragon's solo movies
>>14196204
That healed instantly. And odd, considering those films where after Eiji Tsuburaya, aka, 'Don't let the monsters bleed, it'll ruin the children's imagination', was dead for, huh?
>>14198795
>don't show kaiju bleeding
>ruins kids' imagination
Ha!
>>14198865
Yes, in Ultraman, there was barely any bleeding, I think only the time Chandlar bit RedKing and Dorako getting shot in the shoulder is the only accounts of blood.
>>14198893
I was trying to go more for a, kids will use their imagination and add blood anyway. Or maybe just me when I was a kid.
>>14198957
It's a mixed bag dependent upon how much a shows creators trust kids to be capable of making a conscious decision in regard to where violence and its' place are. This put into contrast to what a few bad examples (in both what is shown/how kids react) can be the deciding factor in how far violence extends. That and understanding your audience and catering to the people in it. E.g. over protective parents want the role of violence limited in order to neuter their kids development, in hopes that they won't become violent adults.
>>14199081
There's been a study (can't find it right now so feel free to disregard if you like) that showed that it wasn't the explicitness of violence but how much the children identified with the character committing it that influenced the likelihood of them becoming violent adults.
So like, if you have a child protagonist who punches the bad guys, your kid is likely to punch someone he or she perceives as "bad." If the child protagonist punches people at random, the kid is likely to punch people at random. Whether there's blood or not.
Meanwhile if you have Godzilla rip another monster's head off, as long as Godzilla isn't humanized too blatantly, the kid is unlikely to become violent as a result.
This was also contingent upon the age of the child and like 5 other factors, so like, just don't be shitty parents, and hope for the best.
>>14198893
Ultraseven had quite a bit of blood, though...
>>14198795
It healed instantly for Godzilla, but there were still bloodstains. And Anguirus' mouth definitely didn't heal instantly. He hobbled away with a fucked up and defeated roar.
>>14199149
Makes sense, however the heart of the thing is not being a shitty parent and explaining that violence isn't how you solve problems. It comes later that a kid learns that violence has its place and can become necessary but only under the correct circumstances.
>>14199165
He was fine.
>>14199163
And Tsuburaya was dieing by that time.
Ugh! I can't find torrents of any Godzilla movies besides the original and the 2014 one.
>>14192280
>Robot reprograms itself to gain mass
Shit writing
>>14199338
>being this jealous of Jet Jaguar's sick gainz
>>14193016
Nigga, like 90% of modern Toku has dubious effects
>>14199347
Suspension of disbelief is common in fiction. Remember the puppets in SW before Lucas went back and digitally remastered everything?
>>14199405
No. I watched the Remastered versions first.
>>14199405
Did you read the post that anon was responding to? S/he wasn't complaining, but responding to someone whining about the original Godzilla's effects.
>>14199414
That's sad. I watched them during the 92 World Series because for 3 nights they played A New Hope, Empire, and Return. It was fun.
>>14199415
I'm sorry I thought I made it clear I was giving supporting argument.
I've seen the original Godzilla, and I've seen The Return of Godzillaand also that shitty American one from the '90s.
I want to get into Godzilla movies where he fights other monsters and shit. Thinking of going Heisei because I want to learn more about Godzilla as a character?
What should I watch next.
>>14199518
just keep on going
it starts on the monster wrassle path from where you're at next with vs King Kong
>>14199518
>>14199527
Yeah, Hesei has some of the worst monster fights in the series. The suits were made too big and bulky, so most of the fights are awkward and devolve into beam spam
>>14189216
>Showa toku being bad in general
Stopped taking you seriously there.
>>14195570
Hello, old meme. It's been a while.
>>14199518
If you hated the American One from the 90's there's also that animated Spin-off about one of Zilla's eggs growing up and fighting a Mecha-Zilla Sr. It's alright.
Then there's the 60's cartoon.
So, I'm going through pic related, watching the first one and then all the "Highly Recommended"s, in order, with a few of the others if they look interesting.
On Mothra vs. Godzilla. The little touches, like the guy assigned to investigate the giant egg looking at the boiled egg in his hand, are amazing, and holy shit this movie is just pretty.
>>14200933
>that list again
Don't just "consider" Invasion of Astro-Monster, go watch it. Godzilla's screentime is minimal, but the human plot is actually fun.
Other things about the list could be argued about too, but whatever.
Okay, so Godzilla just showed up in Mothra vs. Godzilla, and he wanders into the city, gets his tail stuck in a tower, pulling it down on top of himself, then slips on a ledge and falls into a temple.
Is Goji drunk or what?
>>14201431
Duh. He had to get over the previous movie somehow.
i love these threads, reminds me that im not the only fucking g-fan outside ofJapan
>>14201512
But we're only pretending.
Holy shit, Godzilla's such a pushover in Mothra vs. Godzilla.
He stumbles around like he's drunk, then he barely beats an old lady who's dying anyway, then gets his ass kicked by two babies.
>>14201838
Don't underestimate the power of fragile insect deities.
>>14201838
Well, let's put it this way.
Godzilla just got done getting his ass electrocuted by Kong, then by the military with artificial lightening. You'd be disorientated too.
>>14202302
The stumbling around drunk was right after he appeared, well before he got shocked by the military. Also, how long after King Kong was this supposed to take place?
In fact, in this movie he didn't seem to actively, intentionally hurt anybody besides Mothra. He just stumbled around, then wandered aimlessly, found an egg, tried to eat it, got attacked by Mothra, killed her, wandered some more, got shocked by the military, then got beat up by caterpillars.
>>14202327
Two years.
But remember, he was caught in a huge storm and fucking burried in the ground. He was confused as fuck.
>>14202327
He also had a run-in with the US navy in the American cut. Though I don't know what actually went down in that scene since I never saw that version.
>>14202336
That's fair. It was just surreal seeing him go from the scariest shit ever to getting his ass kicked by a couple of Caterpies, since the last Godzilla movie I watched was the original.
>Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster is on Hulu
>can only be watched as a dub
WHAT. THE FUCK.
>>14202359
Just download it like a normal person, grandpa.
>>14193533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxAcnFv00g
>>14194361
>weird art film/social commentary
you'd figure that go to Hedorah
>>14196214
isn't Gamera gonna be in it too?
>>14202346
Godzilla seems to be weak against gods.
That's why I think Dragon Caesar vs Godzilla isn't so cut-and-dry, the Zyuranger mecha are tribal pagan gods like Mothra is.
>>14203452
oh yeah the old Astro live action lol
sage for 2x
>>14189216
>Shoah Godzilla
>>14204087
Godzilla vs the Mideast could be really cool. Lots of different types of armys and soldiers to go through, big cool buildings to smash, tons of opportunities to point out the folly of man.
>>14200933
>All Monsters Attack
>Can be skipped
All of Godzilla except the original is shit. Any one of the Heisei Gamera movies is infinitely better than all Godzilla movies except the original combined.
>>14204429
Mothra vs. Godzilla is solid. Kind of cheesy at points, but calling it shit is a huge overstatement.
>>14206155
Do not legitimize Gamera shitposters by replying.
>>14206160
Are you saying it's shitposting to say the Heisei Gamera movies are good, or just that there are shitposters who regularly claim Gamera is better than the big G? Because I like both.
>>14204429
EXCEPT YOU'RE WRONG YOU FUCKING CUNT FAGGOT ASS CUM JIZZ JUGGLING COCK KEK
>>14206168
In literally every Godzilla thread on 4chan there is at least one post of someone coming in and saying Godzilla is complete shit and Gamera is the best thing ever.
>>14206181
Ah. Well, that's stupid.
>>14206194
LIKE GODZILLA'S MOVIES
>>14206202
Too easy.liek ur mum
>>14206221
MY MOTHER IS AN OUTSTANDING TERRAPIN, YOU TAKE THAT BACK
>>14206202
Listen, I'm sorry you're not as popular or recognizable. I'm the face of Kaiju Tokusatsu, regardless of my personal opinion of the mantle. You've done well for yourself too 12 movies, and a new one coming out too. I'm not going to nitpick your career, I'm bigger than that. So lets move past this, and enjoy our mutual success. Otherwise know that I have your address and am aware of how little effort it would take on my part to make soup out of you, using your shell as a bowl and your skull as a fun new hat. Do you think there's a reason Rodan never got more than one movie? He stepped out of line ONCE. Now it's 'Mr. Godzilla can I trim your toenails. Mr. Godzilla this fax came in with the figures from your recent take over of Mothra's holdings.' Remember that you soft shelled fuck.
>>14207534
Come on dad, lay off it. You're just stressed, this isn't you. Don't sink to his level.
>>14207534
>>14207851
go away /co/mblr
>>14192998
Robocop.
>>14207888
>/co/
Fuck you, I'm/ck/
>>14208202/cuck/?
Today, I watch Ghidorah, the three headed monster. Working my way through all of them.
Speaking of the original Godzilla, I loved it, but how does it tend to go over with people who aren't already into kaiju?
I'm going to hang out with some friends tomorrow night, and suggested we watch it. They said that sounds cool, but neither of them has ever really been into Godzilla or other giant monsters. Is it a good place to start for most people?
>>14208843
>EEEW, WHY IS IT IN BLACK AND WHITE
>LOL YOU CAN SEE THE ZIPPER
>>14209070
Sorry, I forgot to say, my friends are 25-30, not twelve.
>>14209112
They're still gonna think it, shitnuts.
>>14208843
Depends on the person. I got my girlfriend interested with Raids Again, Vs. Hedorah and Vs. Biollante. Each had their charm, she saw the effort put into the fights in Raids Again, and that carried over when she saw Vs. Mothra. Vs. Hedorah I prefaced by saying that it's appeal is the almost schizophrenic manner in which it was directed. Vs. Biollante doesn't need explanation, it's just a damn good movie.
>>14209070
>>14209129
You're thinking of a Roger Corman movie.
Whenever Resurgence comes out, and I can get it with subtitles, I plan to do a big marathon for like 10-15 friends, starting with the original, then probably explain to everyone that the original Godzilla is dead and this is a different Godzilla, show Vs. Biollante, then Vs. Destoroyah for the tragic death. Then bust out Resurgence for THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL GOJI HOLY SHIT.
It's gonna be fucking amazing. Godzilla themed snacks: Rodan-shaped cookies, oxygen destroyer punch. I don't give a shit if it's cheesy. It's my fucking party and I'll SKREEONK if I want to.
>>14209209
I've heard rumors that the new Godzilla is going to be female. Is this true?
>>14209221
Who knows? Who cares? As long as it's a terrifying monster who fucks up Tokyo, I don't give much of a shit. Especially but not only because lizard sexual dimorphism doesn't have many implications socially speaking.
Probably not, though, unless they're retconning the original Godzilla to be female, since the more popular/likely rumor is Resurgence stars the 1954 Godzilla literally back from the dead like giant monster Jesus.
>>14209176
It's a general concept that Godzilla is just rubber suit man smashing cardboard buildings.
>>14209209
Heiseicuck.
>>14209241
>Zipper
>Cardboard
Don't belittle toku with generalizations.
>Heiseicuck
Not for me but very telling. You're one of those.
>>14209241
>Heiseicuck
I like the Showa and Heisei movies, but there's more continuity in Heisei Godzilla, which is something that's nice to have when marathoning movies.
>>14209296
Don't waste your time. Showa, Heisei, and Millennium all had their strengths and weaknesses. Being divisive for the sake of division is stupid.
>>14209256
How the fuck am I a heisei cuck? I hate Heisei. Beam wars? Giant thighes? Rodan killed for no reason other to make Godzilla and MechaGodzilla look stronger? A man's ass? Terrible special effects by 1994? Moguera of all kaiju coming back? MMMM, LOVE ME SOME HEISEI
>>14209328
You're simple aren't you? I was making light of your use of the term not calling you that. Who the fuck cares if Heisei used production values instead of wrasslin'? Besides you obviously. As I said each generation of Godzilla had strengths and weaknesses. The worst we got out of Heisei was Vs. Space Godzilla, at least it wasn't as bad as All Monsters Attack. Aka Oh shit! There's money to be made, just cram stock footage from Son of and Ebirah with a little bit of extra b.s. sprinkled on top.
>>14209381
When one of the meteors in space fucking falls due to a wire malfunction, it's bad effects.
And All Monsters Attack had new scenes shot with Godzilla, Minya, Gabara and Kamacuras. But everyone just assumes it's stock footage. IT HAD FUCKING LESS STOCK FOOTAGE THEN GIGAN.
>>14208843
At any rate, that movie tends to be not as polarizing as the later ones. At best, they can appreciate its seriousness, its tone, the social commentary and its historic value. At worst, they might be bored by it or concentrate on its faults rather than its strengths.
Truth be told, I may not like the movie as much either if I wasn't aware of all the interesting details behind its production.
>>14209390
Bullshit, AMA had the most blatant usage of stock footage in the Showa run. Just because it had new scenese doesn't forgive 69 minutes of your time watching 2 slightly and I emphasize SLIGHTLY better movies in pieces, inter-cut with the most asinine story of a little boy being kidnapped and overcoming his captors with a few scenes of Gabara bullying Minya. You're defending the worst of the entire series and even Vs. Space Godzilla had more going for it with weak characters an ill-explained narrative and the attempt to return to Showa standards. I'm not picking apart Vs. Mecha-Godzilla or Vs. Astro-Monster. I'm taking the piss out of a movie that is considered, and rightfully so, the worst not of Showa but of the entire series.
Do all Godzilla movies take place in the year they were released in? Trying to figure out how long it was between Mothra vs. Godzilla and Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster, since Mothra Jr. is still a babby.
>>14209657
I'm pretty sure G v Monster Zero is some time in the future, like at least some far-off time like 1995 or so
Why do Godzilla movies have this reputation as shitty, cheesy monster fights with no real story? That not only describes less than half of Godzilla movies that exist, but even less than half of the Showa movies, which I imagine are the ones that most people in the west are aware of, and which includes the worst offenders as far as movies that DOES describe.
>>14209657
It varies, but you shouldn't be looking too deep in the continuity of the early movies. I mean, Son of Godzilla is late 60s, Destroy All Monsters is in the 90s, but Minilla is still a kid, even though in Son of Godzilla, he developed from a tadpole-like baby into an upright-walking kid under days or weeks.
I think Heisei movies take place one year after they were released, and Final Wars is apparently also in the future, but I don't know for sure.
>>14209674
Because of perpetuated stereotyping like
>>14209070
>>14209241
And the fact that dubs don't really care about source just lip sync; and re-cuts don't help, offenders are the butchering of the original with Burr, Raids Againoddly enough some of George Takei's earliest work, Vs. King Kong with that Scientist talking about Godzilla's diminutive brain, '84 with Burr again and the re-cut of the Russian attempting to launch the nuke instead of stop it. Alternatively, the fact that even though they were a step up of the original US releases, the Sandy Frank cuts of Showa Gamera including low budget sets and actors they rounded up off the streets.
>>14209674
>people being generalizing shits in general
>muh western superiority
>Godzilla vs. Megalon was the most widely available movie for decades, and it fits the bill of a bare-plot cheese-fest with cheap effects
>lots of the movies were only released in the west later than in Japan, so they always looked somewhat dated
>most people who saw the movies likely saw the shitty dubs and stupid American re-edits
>as a whole, the franchise is obscure as fuck in most places, so if an average person hears/reads that the movies suck, they have no reason to believe otherwise
>monster movies were already considered schlock in the west when the Japanese series hit its stride
>most western people don't understand Jap sensibilities, so stuff that's accepted there (like not overly realistic effects or some fantasy elements) is frowned-upon here
>people tend to think that special effects that are easy to figure out (such as suitmation and miniature sets) are by default sloppy
>honestly, most of the movies aren't that good, not necessarily horrid, but average fags are more likely to harp on and accentuate the negatives
Are there any anime that take place in a world with kaiju? Not like Attack on Titan, but modern day, only there are monsters. There's something weirdly cozy about, for instance, Mothra chilling out on an island with all the worshipers, and caring about their well-being, and knowing that even though Godzilla will absolutely fuck up your shit and is not remotely nice in any way, he'll also fuck up any giant aliens who might show up.
I don't know. It seems like it'd be interesting to show how the world changes when those kinds of things become, not everyday, but also not entirely unexpected. The perfect example is the "Where are they now" show in Ghidorah, where the kids ask to see Mothra AND ACTUALLY GET TO. This is an interesting development from the previous movie where Japan and the people on Infant Island were all but enemies.
I think this kind of stuff is cool as hell and would love to see an ongoing series with lots of lore, a number of kaiju, and a consistent cast of humans.
>>14209721
Jet Jaguar was a mistake
>>14209733
Closest would be the series of shorts (not to be confused with a short series) Godzilla Island, but that was less anime more action figure/stop motion iirc.
>>14209736
I don't think so, Vs. Megalon isn't as bad as it gets credit for. It's not not a classic for being serious or well written. It's tied with campy kid godzilla in my book with Vs. Hedorah. I just don't expect Godzilla to be taken seriously through that lens.
>>14209746
Hedorah is the main focus of that movie and it represents the unstoppable effects of pollution and a smidgen of psycho-sexual fear.
>>14209746
G vs Megalon is less terrible if you don't watch that horrible print that circulated the US mistaken for PD for a while.
It's still kinda dumb but it doesn't look anywhere near as bad.
iirc the "blue for night" is still pretty bad though
>>14209721
>green text
>>14209754
Yeah too bad Banno got demoted for it. He'd already planned a sequel in Africa, and tried with Godzilla 3D or something in 2004 I think to bring Hedorah back. He deserved better than being btfo in Final wars after Zilla.
>>14209755
I got the DVD a few years ago with both dubs and better quality than the VHS I grew up with. Still disappointed they never fought on the Twin Towers though.
>>14209755
Megalon was a work of desperation, and it's weird how it wasn't even meant to be a Godzilla entry, yet it's one of the most infamous. From a movie making perspective, it's trash, but it's charming in its stupidity and it's just fun, kiddy cheese. I can't hate it.
>>14209777
yeah vs Smog Monster gets somewhat more shit than it deserves
it's one of the only movies after 1954 where the monster is representative of a big non-monster real thing, and they made a bigger point of showing people getting killed than I remember a lot of the other later movies doing
>>14209777
The environment is no longer a thing for people to feel bad about
Is there any reason I shouldn't jump back and forth between Showa and Heisei if I haven't watched them before?
So far, the only Godzilla movies I've seen are Godzilla, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster, Return of Godzilla, Zilla '98, and the one with Walter White aka the dad from Malcolm in the Middle.
>>14209790
not particularly
they occasionally string an overarching story together but if you're capable of writing a complete sentence you'll catch up.
>>14209795
I'm totally capable of writing a complete
>>14209781
I liked finding out that a kid won a contest for with Jet Jaguar.>>14209785
>>14209785
It just had such a switch back and forth in its tone, goofy cartoons to people being skeletonized. Godzilla being buried in toxic sludge and shrieking in despair as it happens to one of the top two goofiest things he's ever done, fly. I feel like the writers kept going back looking at the footage deciding it was too much and trying to tone it down and failing in the attempt. I say this from a place of love but that movie was all over the map. Also why did a kitty get slimed?
>watching Ghidorah with subtitles
>at the beginning they refer to Mothra as "he"
>at the end, they talk about Mothra as "she"
Juvenile jokes about baby Mothra being transgender aside, which is it in the Japanese?
