Pacific Rim killed his reputation it was retarded, boring, and didn't even deliver on good monster battles.
I liked Pacific Rim andCrimson Peak
Shame the CG ghosts looked like crap
>>14156553
>image.jpg
Kill yourself
Sage
>>14156553
>tfw no spanish civil war robot movie
Pacific Rim wasn't amazing by any means, but it at least felt like something from the mecha genre, at least for me anyway.
Sure as hell beats the Transformers movies at any rate.
>>14156553
hi spic
how was your day
>>14156736
>Pacific Rim wasn't amazing by any means
Wrong. In SFX and sound design, it blows tons of shit away.
Possibly ILM's best work this current decade.
>>14156553
>didn't even deliver on good monster battles
Would have stopped reading there even if it wasn't the end of your post.
>it's a /tv/edditor gets lost episode
>>>/tv/68694596
>>14156553
I think I would like Pacifim Rim more if he copied Royal Space Force more than copied Evangelion.
I mean the drama on building a robot to battle the kaiju instead of making a bigger bomb, the politics and outside threat because US is building a robot, would serve a better story than whatever mess he made the story by copying Eva
>>14156902
>copied Evangelion.
Yes, everything with robots is copying Evangelion.
>>14156910
did you even watch the movie, almost every element is borrowed heavily from eva. not the things eva copied from other mecha shows
>>14156902
That sounds boring
>>14156930
How is any part of it copied from Eva apart from a helicopter carrying robots around in an upright position?
>Only one crying child, only in a flashback
>No religious imagery
>No weird emotional crises
>Very little in the way of exotic weaponry
>No X-Files inspired conspiracy shenanigans
>No time limit
>>14156959
>The startup test was 100% copied from Unit 00's start up test REEEEEEEEEEEE
You fell for bait f@m
>>14156930
>>14156902
>copied Evangelion.
>hurr durr only mecha I can think of
Super Robot shows were prominent in Latin American countries. He grew up watching.But then ignorant fools like you think it copied from Evangelion which is yet another show in the genre.
>>14156959
>a helicopter carrying robots around in an upright position?
Dougram did it way earlier
>>14156553
saged and hidden
>>14156902
>>14156930
fuck off spic
go yank yourself off
>>14156930
Nope. Spic harder, dago.
>>14157074
Dougram stole that from Eva!
>>14157422
>Nope. Spic harder, dago.
Wait, what?
Spics aren't Italians.
Dagos aren't Hispanic.
As a white American male, I'm very confused.
>>14156553
That it killed his reputation is inaccurate, because people apparently liked the movie.
People have shit taste because the movie was fucking garbage. The fights were shitty clusterfucks, most of the robots barely fucking did anything before getting wrecked, the story was plain fucking trash (inb4 retards go "hurrr turn off your brain" as if it's impossible for a movie to have a proper story and be entertaining at the same time; And either way it failed at both), and the cast couldn't act, especially Kikuchi, they would've done better with casting a fucking rock in her place.
Pacific Rim is shit and the people who like it are the kind of retarded fucks who liked TTGL.
>>14157468
>being a plotfag
>thinking not being a plotfag means turning your brain off
Pacific Rim is an excellent exercise in cinematographic construction and you're too pleb to appreciate the finer nuances of the film.
You literally didn't get it.
>>14157468
nice one spic
you tried harder this time
>>14157468
>That it killed his reputation is inaccurate, because people apparently liked the movie.
>People have shit taste because the movie was fucking garbage. The fights were shitty clusterfucks, most of the robots barely fucking did anything before getting wrecked, the story was plain fucking trash (inb4 retards go "hurrr turn off your brain" as if it's impossible for a movie to have a proper story and be entertaining at the same time; And either way it failed at both), and the cast couldn't act, especially Kikuchi, they would've done better with casting a fucking rock in her place.
>Pacific Rim is shit and the people who like it are the kind of retarded fucks who liked TTGL.
dont bother arguing with the idiots. neo-/m/ even like Mazinger Z Shogeki Hen they really have bad taste
>>14157527
>ESL
Heh.
>>14156553
>>14157527
>neo-[board]
Oh boy.
>>14157471
>>thinking not being a plotfag means turning your brain off
I'm not "thinking" anything, that's literally what you retards told me when I said the plot was shit.
>>14157554
I'm not the same guy.
I've been very anti-plotfag in favor of focusing appreciation on the visuals and stylization of a work for a very long time.
>>14157570
Because writing doesn't matter as long as you have pretty lights, right?
So go watch Bayformers then, retard.
>Pacific Rim killed his reputation
Crimson Peak did that m8. I haven't seen people turn on a guy that hard over just one movie in a while.
Turns out making an accurate version of a gothic romance appeals to pretty much no one, which is something literally any fucking film producer could have told him. I liked that movie but he should have never made it, it was always going to poison his reputation and burn his big Hollywood bridges.
>>14157579
>Petty lights are the only parts of cinematographic achievement
Jesus Christ. I bet you think the LotR films were good chiefly because of the story.
>>14156553
>>14157527
>neo-/m/ even like Mazinger Z Shogeki Hen they really have bad taste
SPICCCCCCCCC GO BACK TO DEVIANART
>>14157579
hermano
¿Qué pasa?
>>14157585
¿Qué pasa Vamos el muchacho pollo diablo?
>>14156553
Pacific rim was pretty good, plus he still has hella goodwill in my book because of Cronos and The Devils Backbone.
>tfw Del Toro Mountains of Madness never
>>14157611
>replying seriously to the spic
>>14156553
Careful with those edges, op.
>>14157609
No me entiendes cabrón. Lo siento pero creo que estás una idiota.How'd I do? It's been about 6 years since I took Spanish.
>>14157624
Buen intento muchacho huele mal, pero no está claro el hablante de una lengua Inglés, al igual que un perro mestizo de las regiones del sur del continente americano, desaparece con sus falacias.
>>14157624
>estás
This implies current temporary state. Like saying someone is BEING dumb instead of saying someone IS dumb with es/eres.
Still not bad. You'd be able to get by if someone dropped you in the middle of a foreign country.
>>14157653
I typed eres, but went back over it cause it sounded weird.
>>14157646
So I speak on par with the typical hispanics? Which is poor?
Huh.
>>14157646
>>14157609
Please tell me you copy/paste'd from an automated translator. That's just awful.
>>14157663
Muchacho huele mal, maltratadas con el tema de la muerte.
>>14156553
>implying Loki's Spoopy Castle didn't do it
>>14156553
>didn't even deliver on good monster battles
It requires lots of money. They've made another mess in the dark because it's easier to render.
>>14156553
I loved PR personally.
I've seen sticklers trash it for bad acting or bad dialogue or whatever, but I get their impression that they are those stuffy pretentious types that are into weird black and white arthouse movies or self-entitled people who pissed away 4 years of college for a useless film degree and think they know better. But to each their own and I can understand it if a genre doesn't suit your personal taste.
What I don't understand how anyone who considers themselves fans of the mecha genre could hate it. The robots looked good, the monsters looked good, and the world-building was top notch for a genre film. As far as mecha stories go, the plot and narrative are certainly above average.
As far live-action mecha goes, PR is probably the single best entry.
>>14157686
Crimson Peak was okay. I think that people just assumed that it was a supposed to be a horror film when it really wasn't. If anything it looked the part as expected from GdT movie.
>>14157722
Oh, but it IS a horror film.
Just a slasher horror instead of supernatural horror.
>>14156561
>Shame the CG ghosts looked like crap
As usual with creatures if a Guillermo Del Toro movie, that's not CGI, it's Doug Jones in a suit.
>>14157758
>but it IS a horror film.
Not according to Fucking Del Toro who has said a Billion times it's a Gothic Romance
>>14157769
>missing the point
See, this is what happens when you jump to conclusion without reading the entire post to get the full context.
>>14157758
>slasher horror
If anything it'd be a suspense horror like Hitchcock. We only really like 3 people get killed in the whole movie and only one of those in a gruesome manner.
Either way, if you came to watch it as a horror film, you'd be disappointed.
>>14157468
Actually the movie was going to be longer and it was going to develop most of the other Jager pilots but shit had to be cut.
>>14157840
Actually I went in expecting a horror film.
I still was not disappointed.
>>14157427
Such a timeless classic EVA is.
>>14156902
You sound as stupid as the normies saying it's a transformers or a power rangers ripoff.
>>14157527
Gonna need you to fuck off back to /v/ kid. Don't you have some GooberGamer thread to shit up?
>>14156553
Sounds like you have shitty taste.
>>14156808
While everyone was complaining about Crimson Typhoon's screentime, I was gushing over the sounds it made. And then silence just before Otachi popped out. Unf.
Also gif related.DING
>watch pacific rim because I want cool robots fighting giant monsters
>get cool robots fighting giant monsters
I'm not sure why some people get so upset over people liking the movie.
>>14156553
>deliver
>monster battles
>in a mecha film
Why are kaijufags so pathetic and stupid, bros?
>>14157974
>Eva
>Timeless
Eva is basically the mid-90s incarnate.
>>14158248
Pacific Rim is very much both a mecha and kaiju film, dude.
>>14158484
>the joke
>your head
>>14158144
This so much.
Watched: Pacific Rim
Expected: giant robots kicking ass
Got: giant robots kicking ass + MUSASHIIIIIIIIIIII
Pacific Rim wasn't a perfect movie by any stretch but it was fun and felt like it belonged to the mecha genre. If you watch it with the commentaries on you can tell that Del Taco and the people working on it loved the project and wanted to something they would enjoy working on, not just a soulless CGI blockbuster based off some license off the '80 people forgot until hollywood digged it out of its grave to cash in.
Pacific Rim's failure in the west is more symptomatic of it being based off two genre (kaiju and mecha) that were never popular in mass there to begin with.
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>>14157579
>implying Pacific Rim's cinematography, robot/monster design, and special effects aren't far better and more tastefully executed than Bayformers
I see the defense force has arrived in full force
>>14157586
This thread is just beito daze
>>14158610
It was popular in the west before it was popular in Japan. It just didn't stay popular in the west.
>>14158734
That's because the west has something vaguely resembling good taste.
>>14157709
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume that mecha fans hated PR because the movie didn't know which mecha series it wanted to be.
>>14157709
>the world-building was top notch for a genre film. As far as mecha stories go, the plot and narrative are certainly above average
So you have not partook in more than five /m/ series at most then. Good to know.
>>14158737
>summer blockbuster action movies and terrible remakes
>good taste
>>14157766
Impressive but still crap.
What's the probability of Meathead (pic related) being the kaiju that Gipsy fought in Manila with Herc? So far, the kaiju is a Cat-IV only known as MN-19 and the team consisted of Gipsy, Horizon and Lucky Seven (Herc). I deduce from the image alone that Meathead could be one because of it's sheer size. Now, if you ignore the novelization's mention of Striker Eureka rather than L7 (which is clearly nonsensical since Raleigh only met Chuck in HK therefore Herc was piloting with his brother), the description of the battle includes Horizon Brave being pinned by a barbed tail which Meathead clearly has one. Also a battle between the two is clearly depicted on the graphic novel's cover.
>sculpture of fighting gipsy
>sheer size=cat-iv
>barbed tail
>tales of year zero cover
I think they add up.
>>14158747
I hope you are not implying that mecha has consistently good stories and plot. Most of mecha is B-tier scifi tras and by no means immune to Sturgeon's Law. When you take a good hard look at the genre, you see that most of them suffer from tired old storylines repurposed to be more convoluted in an effort to seem different from the other shows. Some can pull it off successfully, most of them can't. Characters are one-dimensional archetypes that we see time and time again with no real development (especially true for supporting roles who just end up being jobbers to the plot). It gets pretty obvious very quickly that the those types of shows are nothing more than glorified toy commercials with minimal effort put into the writing to string along a "story" to push plastic. That's not to say that being a toy commercial show can't be good as some of the more self-aware series, but you can't expect them to be deep and immersive.
>>14157766
well thats gonna haunt my dreams tonight. thanks bunches.
>>14160859
>I hope you are not implying that mecha has consistently good stories and plot
No, but neither is anime or gook media in general.
It's all shit.
>>14158737
>>14158658
SPIC ALERT
>>14159592
I keep imagining Gypsy shouting "Yeehaw" and riding that Kaiju in to battle and not actually fighting him.
>>14156553
Partially agree. It was a big, dumb summer blockbuster and the fights were fucking retarded but it's watchable if you're a mecha fan.
I actually invited some people to watch PR in the cinema and now I'm relieved that they couldn't go. Everything about it is fucking terrible except the mecha fighting, which isn't great it's just ok.
I'd like it more if the movie didn't insult everyone's intelligence. It needed to be more serious like aliens not fucking dumb like that robot boxing movie.
>>14161126
fuck off spic
>>14161129
what kind of spic is awake at 5am dumbass?
>>14161126
>It needed to be more serious
Nigga...How serious can you actually get with giant punching robots? At some point having a mecha will no longer be feasible if you want a serious story.
>>14161158
Well in the pre-production and world building stage they did actually try to make it more serious, the justification for giant robots (toxic bloom) was more important to the story.
After a few script re-writes the whole toxic bloom thing got put on the back burner (it gets mentioned what? once? in the movie?) and nobody really gives a shit about making the monsters bleed or shooting them in the face with giant cannons or anything.
I'm not asking for full on seriousness just less drooling retardation. Something closer to the original concept.
>>14161167
The Kaiju Blue thing and the control of it is evident in the movie, they just aren't spending the whole movie beating you over the head with it.
>>14156553
>Pacific Rim killed his reputation
It boosted his reputation, if anything. All those videos of him hopping about Japan and buying a bunch of merch made him look like a fun dweeb, and he still had his directorial clout after PR came out.
If anything put a dent in his reputation, it was Crimson Peak.
And if anything proves critics have shit taste, it was also Crimson Peak.
Only an absolute madman director would attempt to make a unironic giant robot live action movie.
And it wasn't completely shit.
>>14161167
>less retardation
The plot was perfectly straightforward and functional, though. What exactly do you mean by "retardation?"
>okay we tried nuking the monsters to death but we can't just spam nukes all day that causes irreversible damage
>how about we invest in long-term superweapons instead?
>okay giant robots
>oh but giant robots aren't keeping up with the monsters' evolution
>how about a big honking wall?
>wow, that failed, who came up with that stupid idea?
>but we shut down the giant robot project, we only have these four guys left that haven't been decommissioned also the new monsters are coming even faster and stronger now
>okay, we make a deep run and destroy the portal they're coming out of
>they go destroy the portal
Once you accept the basic conceit of "giant robots with two pilots" everything else basically makes sense. I'm not sure where drooling retardation comes in at all. Hell, it makes more sense than most kaiju movies.
>>14161210
>What exactly do you mean by "retardation?"
The movie constantly beats you over the head with stupid shit that doesn't make any sense.
>Gypsy is made of CAST IRON? Seriously?
>the wall is fucking retarded. It's so fucking stupid on so many levels there is no conceivable scenario where the wall would be a viable plan.
>putting circular saws, swords and fucking cannons on the robots defeats the entire premise of the movie, Why not just torpedo the monsters to death?
>6(?) helicopters carrying a gorillion ton cast iron robot.
>drift testing a new pilot with a fully fucking armed robot that can't be shut down for some stupid reason
>letting your extremely limited supply of pilots potentially injure/cripple/kill each other with wooden sticks
>Whenever anything goes wrong idris elbas character switches off, ignores everyone in the room and slowly walks away from his command position
>The 3 armed robot had one fucking job. ONE job. use the 3rd fucking arm. When it gets both it's hand immobilized they crew apparently forgets they have a third arm.
>the fights are dumb as shit. Throwing the enemy away? into the water? Really? The robots are built to fight at close range but they always throw the enemy away into the water, cushioning its fall and concealing it again.
Fuck it that's enough for now. Pretty much every scene in the movie has something stupid happening I could go on and on.
>>14157709
Barry, it was shit.
Get back to work.
>people arguing that the only reason others don't love it is because they didn't just relax, switch their brain off, and enjoy the visuals
>people arguing that the only reason others don't love it is because they didn't pay enough attention and can't appreciate it's depth and subtle visual storytelling
Is it really so hard to accept that maybe others didn't like it because they didn't think it was good, and not because they're either over-educated snobs, or under-educated plebs?
>>14161237
>>the wall is fucking retarded. It's so fucking stupid on so many levels there is no conceivable scenario where the wall would be a viable plan.
If the kaiju were just animals, which they didn't know they weren't, then it makes sense to assume that they would just take the path of least resistance and stay in the pacific.
You need metaknowlage that they're actually the vanguard of a hostile intelligent to know that it'll spend hours knocking down a wall for the sake of fucking with humans
>>14161254
Pacific Rim fanboys are the saltiest fuckers on earth. It was a 6/10 movie and the vast majority of people out there knew it. It wasn't an unfair smear campaign by reviewers, it was the public opinion. People were disappointed that it turned out to not be that great.
And people love Del Toro. They love to love him. It's not like some unpopular director getting hated on just because of their name. The movie wasn't all that great, end of story.
But no. Everyone is WRONG! They're TOO STUPID for it. Or they're TOO CLEVER for it. Just look at this faggot >>14157709.
>I get their impression that they are those stuffy pretentious types that are into weird black and white arthouse movies or self-entitled people who pissed away 4 years of college for a useless film degree and think they know better
He doesn't even realise he's the one being a smug pretentious asshole by waving away the public opinion as a room full of arthouse intellectuals. I mean how do you make the case that everyone who thought the acting and dialogue were bad are bitter film degree students? That makes no fucking sense considering every goddamn person who went to see this movie thought the same thing.
It's just a case of assholes being mad as fuck that others don't agree with them. The world said it's a 6/10 movie, but these salty bitches cry about this being an injustice and pull a million excuses out of their ass
>audiences are too dumb!
>audiences are too pretentious!
>audiences were scared of a strong female character!
>the female character wasn't strong enough!
and they demand sequels, not realizing they are just a loudmouth group on the internet demanding something that the vast majority of people don't want. And that's why the sequel is on hold and being handled by a fucking nobody who directed an episode of Sparticus. A smart producer doesn't sink 100 million dollars into a project only a handful of crying nerds online want.
>>14161254
If you don't think it's good, you don't think it's good for a reason
It's any person's prerogative to like or not like a thing; but on the internet people love to get shitty about things, so naturally they want to make assumptions about the logic behind why someone thinks a certain way in an attempt to justify themselves.
when in reality none of our opinions mean anything, and we're all gonna die anyway
まだ企画も何も進んでいないんでしょ
>>14161258
Even if you ignore the fact that a wall around the pacific is so ridiculous and impossible, it's not even very high they can just raise their arms a bit, grab the top and climb over. Is there a single known animal that can't cross a wall slightly taller than itself?
The wall is right next to the cities. The monsters can SEE you. It can see the skyscrapers and all the city shit all over the hills. You think it's not gonna try to get over/through the equivalent of a low fence?
>>14161284
>you dislike something I like, so CLEARLY you're just [long-winded description of a person I don't like]
It's frustrating that this is the logic behind practically every argument on 4chan. It's fucking idiotic and childish.But hey, where do you think you are?
>>14161295
The wall is actually shorter than a kaiju he's not even standing up straight. This is so dumb it hurts.
>>14157709
I loved it too. I don't see what "bad" about the dialogue when the opening banter is what drew me in. It was so refreshing. So was the tension and seriousness of the (appropriate) battles.
>world building
What I absolutely love about it is the fact that it's 80-90% Jaeger/Kaiju history. Less muh politics and muh social commentary but guess history isn't deep enough.
And loads of little details in the background that might explain how things work or is just a neat piece of history. Some stuff is so obscure that its context is known only outside of the movie, yet isn't some SWEU-tier fanfic because physical evidence of its existence is within the movie itself. Pic related is one such example.
Herc's faded jacket clearly represents Lucky Seven yet the Jaeger is only metioned by name outside of the movie.
>>14161396
>I don't see what "bad" about the dialogue
Then you're really just a fucking idiot
I like Pacific Rim a lot but I don't lie to myself, the dialogue is terrible.
>>14161396
>muh politics and muh social commentary
No wonder you don't see "what bad" about the dialogue. You're a retard.
>>14161396
Just goes to show they that the team building the world and doing all the early concept and design were more talented than whoever turned the final product into the brainless popcorn flick we got in the end.
It's like they crafted this great world then someone higher up walked in and went Oh that's nice but most of this stuff doesn't fit with our plans for a big dumb summer blockbuster can you tone it down a bit? We'll put all this tiresome thinky-stuff into a comic or a book or something hows that?
>>14161418
Why are you so deluded? Would it kill you to admit that Del Toro fucked up? Why blame an imaginary guy in a suit for "ruining" the film when the problem with it is the dialogue, which was written by Del Toro. It was his script. And he shot the footage. Did a producer step in and say "no no, do that scene again, but have everyone acting badly"?
Del Toro was the man behind the camera, and he fucked up.
He didn't have a bad cast, so what happened? They were handed shitty dialogue and were directed poorly. There are scenes in the film with delivery so bad you have to wonder if Del Toro was fucking drunk at the time.
But no way, boo hoo, a big meanie man I just made up must have been there making the film bad on purpose for some reason
>>14161412
>apocalypse
>cancelled
MADMAN
>>14161448
At least that line is fun. Every single other line is a cliche or a total bore.
>>14161444
Calm down I think it was deltoro who dropped the ball too but I can't say for sure so I left it open.
You're missing the point though. What's happened here is that a team built the world, did all the designs, all the little backstories giving deltoro a lot of assets to draw upon making this film.
It looks to me like dt has cherry picked a few pieces of the pre production teams work that he liked and sprinkled them over his dumbed-down film which is mostly his own work, to spice it up a bit. This is how the film can be so stupid but occasionally there are scenes where the work of the other team shines through.
It is extremely common to make a lowest common denominator film to secure normalfag interest, and then save the A material for the sequel. See Batman Begins.
Judging by interviews, that was what Del Toro was planning. But yeah, obviously fucked it up since he's not even doing the sequel.
That said, I'm okay with Pacific Rim basically being Independence Day with giant robots, and always have been. I see nothing wrong with a popcorn flick.
>>14161283
>public opinion
The public opinion of PR is positive, dummy.
>>14161534
In the states it was low, but the rest the world, particularly china loved it.
>>14161513
>Batman Begins
But that was the best Nolan Batman movie anon
>>14156959
I still remember that "Evan created scaffolding" that started circulating when the evageeks started screaming about how the chinese robot was going to be a copy of Unit 02
>>14161513
>lowest common denominator film to secure normalfag interest, and then save the A material for the sequel
>I see nothing wrong with a popcorn flick.
So you like the same lowest common denominator stuff as "normalfags" but still feel you're above them.
Are you from /tv/ by any chance?
>>14161543
It was low in the states and in europe, it was low in every english-speaking territory because they could hear how bad the script was.
China didn't "love it", it just looks like they did because when you have a population of 700 billion people and 0.00001% of them go to see your movie it still looks good.
Besides this was happening at a time when Chinese cinemas were opening up American movies. China was a new market simply because there's a lot of money to be made.
Do you know where Transformers 4 preformed best? China. So does China love Transformers 4? And does that mean it's a good movie that we just didn't "get" in the west?
Bringing up China in defense of this movie is dumb as fuck.
Why do spic hate Kaiju in general so fucking much?
>>14161632
Ah yes, the old
>Let me insult you for something you didn't actually say
>Putting quotes around normalfags
For fucks sake, are you saying we can't call them normalfags now? Can't call them normalfags, can't call them normies. What are you supposed call them?
>>14161283
>something that the vast majority of people don't want.
Didn't the movie make some good money in China, which is increasingly an important market for hollywood? Seems like while its not the most demanded sequel there is still potential for bucks to be made out of a sequel.
I mean its not like Pacific Rim was a complete flop.
>>14161283
you're just a retarded fuck who can't appreciate a great awesome movie like pacific rim. If you disagree you're just a spic. Go get gored by a big fat bull, Pablo.
>>14161735
The spic meme needs to end. I barely know what you guys are talking about but it's just retarded.
>>14161763
No it shouldn't. Marios who hate Pacific Rim are mentally retarded and should leave /m/.
>>14161158
Dark Knight made a story about a millionaire running around in a bat costume punching people into a really great movie, not just a cape movie.
Is it bad to expect something more out of a typical robot punching monsters movie
>>14161412
I love the unpretentiousness of both the lighthearted stuff and the more serious ones. Moments like the "hurricane" and "handwriting of God" are just too good to pass. Has something to say without being edgy or "dark".
>>14161416
?
>>14161418
Actually I love the movie for that exact reason. They managed to sprinkle all that stuff within this simple self-contained story (the main point of the movie, don't forget) which while being an important event, still only covers a small part of its history. If you don't like the cake then the icing isn't gonna help.
Also what's up with the "spics"? I'm not familiar with this new phenomenon.
>monster battles
That's the thing, Americans don't want this. They want robots fighting other robots.
It's why Pacific Rim was significantly more popular in latin American countries than it is in the US.
>>14156553
>here is my attack on ______, now i run away and look at the replies
This is what 4chan has become. No one backs up opinions or fact with anything, its just "WAAHHH I DONT LIKE THIS, AM I COOL NAO"
>>14161952
Except Batman has enough of a 'grounding' to be adapted in a serious light by the right director, and PacRim, despite having the background of a destructive war with humanity on the backfoot, is about colorful giant robots punching aliens that come into our world through a portal into another dimension.
Kind of precludes any grim grittiness.
>>14161952
>millionaire running around in a bat costume punching people
That's not the same as giant humanoid robots fighting giant inter-dimensional alien monsters from the bottom of the ocean.
>>14162611
It's just barely not as stupid. It's not surprising to see /co/fags having nonsensical double standards, though.
>jillionaire punching people in his furry Zorro OC costume
>not the gayest shit ever
yeah no
>>14162685
Are you 12?
>>14162677
The point is that the former is far more plausible than the latter. TDK doesn't really bend physics and reality as much as PR. PR had much more burden for the suspension of disbelief than TDK.
>>14162742
No, but you most likely are.
>>14162045
Honestly, it sounds like they're trying so hard not to mention Eva by just saying "more serious". Pacific Rim is serious. People die. Kaiju are scary. Fights are (mostly) frantic. And there are wacky people involved! It has the emotional range I'd expect from a super robot show. Are they the same people who were championing the early script back then?
I feel like Del Toro made a mistake when he made the Kaiju invading aliens. A lot of Japanese Kaiju movies have an environmental angle where the monsters are the result of pollution or something like that, and he just decided to rip off Michel Bay.
Also, the whole "Jagers aren't military" thing was embarrassing. Trying to have your cake and eat it too. And by giving everyone cowboy ranks they negate any sort of anti-imperialist message they were trying to cultivate.
The Jagers also had really boring/ugly designs as well. Too much exposed machinery and greebles for the sake of looking "rugged" the usual mistake western mecha tends to run into.
If Hellboy 2 didn't kill his career I don't see why PacRim would
>>14163752
What wrong with Hellboy 2?
>>14161295
>Is there a single known animal that can't cross a wall slightly taller than itself?
An elephant. Also giraffes, my dude.
I think PR is ok and it's only real misstep was murderizing the Russian and Chinese teams in their very first sortie.
>>14163748
>environmental angle
When if the Jaegers were clean energy (seemingly impractical and expensive new machines; the film is saved by a nuclear device) fighting against environment-destroying energy sources (with kaiju blue standing in for coal, oil, gas) being foisted upon us by aliens not of our world (rich corporate faggots removed from the area they're polluting, extracting whatever resources they want without care for how it affects those who live there)?
>>14161952
And once again, Dark Knight was only possible thanks to Batman Begins.
A show that plaid it safe, and was just a cape movie.
Pacific Rim was the first effort, and yeah, it played it safe.
>>14163804
I get that, but at the end of the day, it's still very much a movie about a bunch of bros punching their problems to death, by a director who claims be all liberal and anti war.
Nothing really wrong with it, but it makes the whole thing look sloppy. Avatar had the same problem, talks about environmentalism and peace, but the plot is still resolved by killing everyone who disagrees with you.
Maybe Princess Mononoke set the bar high for me, but it seems like western filmmakers really suck at this.
>>14163810
You act as if though DK wasn't just a cape movie.
>>14163890
The best western movies about war are the ones that don't try to have a stance either way.
>>14163890
He's more of an anarchist by his own words.
Also, anti-war =/= anti-survival.
Just think about the tagline: "to fight monsters we created monsters of our own"
The movie even indicates that the Jagers take a toll because people didn't take care of proper safety measures.
Primarily it isn't a "message-movie" it's a movie about visuals and it delivers in spades. It's incredibly smart in that regard.
>Maybe Princess Mononoke set the bar high for me, but it seems like western filmmakers really suck at this.
Most likely you just haven't watched enough motion pictures.
Avatar is the "best" you can come up with when considering environmentalist movies? Seriously?
>>14163890
>>14163951
Forgot quote:
"I think that when people talk about the collapse of society, there’s an anarchist inside of me that kind of digs it. You know, I really… I’m very afraid of institutions. And especially the ones that do anything but what they were supposed to do."
>>14163951
Maybe not, do you have any to recommend?
>>14163890
You might like this btw.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2090370,00.html
>>14163973
The Road is newer and not bad.
Chinatown always seems to come up, but I just remember it being a good movie.
Koyaanisqatsi is good for muh Phillip Glass, but I don't know that I'd call it "good"
Oblivion isn't really an "environmentalist" movie, but it has some musings on it. It's also massively underrated for it's film-making elements. Check some of this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9m6KzRMWnA
Really, really cool stuff.
I tend to find "message movies" to be grating, but the ones that have them as something to touch on those elements, but not at the expense of verismilitude tend to be the ones I get more out of.
彼がガンダムを作るなら中国と日本がどんな戦争をするか考えるべきだろ
>>14163890
>Avatar had the same problem, talks about environmentalism and peace, but the plot is still resolved by killing everyone who disagrees with you.
I'm not really a fan of that movie but that's a laughably bad reading of it.
Armed resistance against an incredibly destructive invasion is not "killing people who disagree with you"
It kinda kills me a little that Pacific Rim is so highly thought of on here. It's a C Grade movie through and through. Mostly boring but with a few standout moments, yet how some of you faggots talk about it, makes it seem like the greatest action movie made in years.
>>14158641
Designs, yes.
The rest? fuck no. They're the same level of retarded clusterfuck, with an additional helping of shaky cam in the dark.
>>14161444
>Why blame an imaginary guy in a suit for "ruining" the film
Didn't you hear anon? Execs are the problems with any media being bad, especially when it's made by a director you usually like.
Did your favourite director make a load of fucking garbage and try to pass it off as a movie? He did literally nothing wrong, the evil suit execs censored all the nuances and forced him to turn the movie into a toy commercial!
>>14161543
>particularly china loved it.
China loves bayformers too.
>>14161317
I don't understand why you would put the wall there of all places. you've just cut an east-west line down the centre of the city, it's not even facing the ocean.
>>14164136
What I'm seeing in this thread doesn't seem to support your theory that PR is thought of highly here.
So will the people terrible taste actually shape up and offer some interesting, valid observations or will they just follow their impotent accusations of "bad dialogue" and "sloppy direction" all the way to meme town?
Because I'm just about to disregard 80% of the content in thread as failed attempts at shitposting.
>>14161642
You have to remember that Chinese audiences consist of a vast majority of farmers and such who've never seen a movie that wasn't on a shit quality pirated VCD (not even DVD, VCD) in their entire life.
They don't understand foreign cultures or complex plots or nuanced dialogue, and even if they did almost none of that remains when it's translated into Chinese.
All that they're looking for in movies is kung-fu action, guns, pew pew lasers and explosions.
>>14164092
失せろ朝鮮人
>>14164260
When will you start to defend it? Because I'm about to disregard 100% of your post as shitposting.Not really but you have to understand that not everyone can formulate a well-written argument, either due to time or effort or poor communication skills. So not all of it is shitposting, even if some obviously is.
>>14164260
I'm willing to throw all the thread away as that
So will the people terrible taste actually shape up and offer some interesting, valid observations or will they just follow their impotent accusations of "people who hate it have terrible taste" and "there's nothing wrong with it" all the way to meme town?
Because I'm just about to disregard 90% of the content in thread as failed attempts at shitposting.
>>14164211
The wall positioning actually makes sense when you know the great lore around it.
The wall circles protects Central Business District and bulk of the city, the North Shore is a total loss and quarantined since they used nukes against a prior Kaiju attack there before the Jaegers were built.
>>14164349
*greater lore
Also I'm fuckin' dead because I'm outside that wall
who let /tv/ shitposter in here?
>>14164260
i really loved this image
>>14164304
Fine. It's really amazing how the movie, within the first 15 mintutes, captures the "mechanical-ness" of technology in a sci-fi setting and builds on this element throughout the rest of the film in an extremely satisfying way. After all, what makes mecha special as a genre is that "the mechanical" is not just treated as a concept, or means to an end (narratively, visually, symbolically, whatever), like in so many other genres like fantasy and even (most) western sci-fi. Instead it allows for an almost indulgent examimation and romanticization of the mechanical form and essence, and this is precisely what Pacific Rim did completely right. This is why in mecha shows we see so much effort spent on showing the audience exactly how various specific parts of a mecha work, and how they all work together, even if the way the parts work is completely fictional. Very few western works does this, because they don't get it, but del Torro does.Looking at what's posted here, it makes me wonder of its worth the effort. Poor wording is one thing, but at least give us the point, the gist, the thesis instead of vague writing prompts and accusations that look more like fill in the blank questions than statements.
>>14164336
You're just a dumb spic
>>14163890
I'm not sure about "anti-war", but I've read somewhere that Del Toro avoids representing the PPDC as some sort of overt military force. Something about using "marshall" and "rangers" rather than more common ranks. If you think about it, pilots are practically civillians with just enough aptitude to pilot Jaegers. Then you have scientists, tech crews, helicopter pilots, comms and probably some ground forces for good measure.
>>14164456
>romaticization
Yes. That's why I love the film. They embrace the concept with it's fantastical elements rather than dumbing it down for the sake of "realism". Even just looking at your gif, I don't see other western productions doing a sequence like that.
Jaegers are treated as extensions of the pilots' will and not just tin cans. Due to the nature of piloting these things, they even get to sneak in human elements within the mechs themselves like Gipsy showing Raleigh's pain when getting skewered or Crimson shaking his(?) head. That's brilliant.
Back in 2012, I though PR was going to be much more western/real robot with ranks of mechs engaging legions of kaiju mostly with ranged weaponry. Something like a western Muv-Luv. I was interested anyway but I'm happy I was wrong.
>>14163748
> lot of Japanese Kaiju movies have an environmental angle where the monsters are the result of pollution or something like that
There was an environmentalist angle on the Kaiju I don't know how you could've missed it. They spend the first 5 minutes of the movie talking about it and then again after Newt drifted with the Kaiju brain. Not to mention that the Jaegers run on clean energy like fancy batteries/supercapicitors and nuclear power reactors.
>Also, the whole "Jagers aren't military" thing was embarrassing. Trying to have your cake and eat it too. And by giving everyone cowboy ranks they negate any sort of anti-imperialist message they were trying to cultivate.
Don't know what you are talking about since the Pan-Pacific Defense Corps was multi-national effort which dismisses all of your allegations of imperialism you think were implied or outright expressed. They are not unlike UN peacekeeping operations or the Coast Guard so use of military structure or military-grade hardware is will probably be employed to maintain a sense of order. Plenty of law-enforcement offices also do this, but they are distinctly not military either.
>>14164993
Wow
Thats, a nice display of autism anon
団体戦だったらどうなんだろう?
>>14164227
In this thread, but in past threads, mainly when the sequel got canned, people were furious that THEIR GLORIOUS BEAUTIFUL MOVIE WAS SHIT ON BY THE PLEBS.
https://youtu.be/IWp5p4yhTi0
This is just awful. How can anyway tolerate this?The video quality, I mean.:^)
>>14164105
You are missing the point.
Avatar was a movie completely lacking in moral ambiguity. The good guys were good because they were brave warriors defending their home, the badguys are greedy cooperate bastards.
Compare this to Princess Mononoke. In Princess Mononoke the forest creatures were defending their homes, but they were also a bunch of suborn assholes with grudges. The forces of technology and modernity on the other hand were destroying nature, but they were also improving the quality of life for the less fortunate.
Movies with black and white morality are fine as cheep entertainment, but having unambigious badguys ruins any sort of anti-war message. Princess Mononoke tells us that war is bad and that we need to learn to live with each other. A true hero is somebody who is strong enough to fight, but also wise enough to forgive. Avatar and Pacific Rim might as well be Michel bay movies.
I'm not going to deny that sometimes "badguys" do attack seemingly out of nowhere. The Spanish certainly did a number on the native Americans. But we aren't in that position right now, and black and movies with that kind of morality shouldn't pretend to be something they aren't.
Rodriguez said it was an indictment on our society that Avatar lost best picture to The Hurt Locker. She said it was a movie about love losing to a movie about war. No, it's an indictment on our society that avatar passes for a movie about love. In many ways Hurt Locker was more of an anti-war movie than Avatar because it showed the reality of war from the perspective of a soldier rather than a glorified adventure story.
Again, nothing wrong with that kind of movie, just don't call it high brow and don't claim you have some sort of deep message about living in harmony.
>>14166330
Who the fuck is Rodriguez?
Also, LotR TTT is environmentalist as hell.
>>14161988
>Also what's up with the "spics"? I'm not familiar with this new phenomenon.
are you new?
http://desustorage.org/m/search/text/spic/
>>14166390
He must be, considering how far back it goes
>>14166332
The Treant Towers
>>14156553
completely agree
>>14157468
>this kills pacrim fags
it truly was shit and I love del taco movies what a fucking bomb
>>14166390
I'm not a westerner so I have no idea on the context. If it has something to do with old mech anime, then I'm not sure whey they of all people would not enjoy PR. Ultraman is a household name here and the movie definitely appealed to me.
>>14166768
It doesn't have to do with being a westerner, it has to do with being new or not.
>>14166779
I see. Still, if it has something to do with old mech anime, then I'm not sure why they of all people would not enjoy PR.
>>14161988
I'll try to explain the spic /m/eme best I can, but I don't really understand it myself.
You know how autistic used to mean a mental disorder, and now on 4chan it's just a generic insult? Or how cuck was short for cuckolding, and now thanks to /pol/ it's just a generic insult? Same deal here.
It first started with those stupid comics of some butthurt mazinger fan in south america who got upset over the existence of Shin Mazinger, and Mazinkaizer SKL, and revered the original Mazinger show and OVA way too fucking much. So 'spic' was just insulting one insane fan on deviant art. Kind of like "what's up Wassim?" was for grendizer. Then people started claiming that was the way most mazinger fans in South America was, so the spic meme then went to mean all mazinger fans. Apparently they don't care about the other countries Mazinger is huge in like Italy. And then somebody started trying to force some dumbass meme I still don't understand about hispanics hating Getter Robo. And then it was pushed onto all dynamic pro properties. So now if you hate mazinger you are a spic, and if you like mazinger you are a spic. And they can't even get that right, calling people "mario" and shit.
Feels like some goon just wanted to troll the board, so they ran an already stupid meme into the ground.
>>14168364
Fuck off Pablo
>>14168364
That's a lot to type out and still get it completely wrong.
>>14161237
>the wall is fucking retarded. It's so fucking stupid on so many levels there is no conceivable scenario where the wall would be a viable plan.
Meanwhile in America...
>>14168440
Then correct me.
>>14168522
The one true, real spic is an Italian that's been coming here since at least 2009. Back then, he mainly shitposted in Nagai threads, particularly Mazinger and Devilman, though he was not above shitposting in any thread related to Dynamic Pro. One day, someone called him a spic, and that greatly pissed him off, so it stuck. Some chose to call him Mario or dago for obvious reasons. I cannot begin to tell you why people who aren't DPfags and the spic have begun to pretend to give a shit about this within the past couple of months, though.
>>14168453
Exactly.
The US needs giant robots to guard the border.
>>14168561
And now I stand corrected.
>>14168453
Shit, there needs to be a pacrim edit like the game of thrones one.
>>14156553
My god did people fall for this bait?
>>14168821
And the Kaiju are going to pay for it!
>>14168835
It's not bait if it's a widely held view. Pacific Rim disappointed a LOT of people, including diehard Del Toro fans.
I'm so sick of every fucking idiot on this site calling every opinion they disagree with "bait" instead of responding with a counterpoint.
"Disregard that, I suck cocks" was closer to a real response than this "bait" cancer. Calling everything bait is the result of 4chan becoming more and more of an echochamber hugbox safe space where nobody ever has to risk seeing a "wrong" opinion and it's fucking pathetic.
>>14169202
Fuck off mario.
>>14169202
>disappointed a LOT of people
I'm sure still more enjoyed it. I know what it's like to enjoy a film actually panned by many. You won't fool a fly or me.
Let me tell you one thing I learned about this Del Toro guy over the past decade and a half:
1) he's pretty good at not making movies.
2) his spanish-language movies are good
3) his english-language ones are either weird, bad or a mixture of both.
It seems Coyote Tango was originally the proposed design for the Mark-I Gipsy Danger. The gorilla arms and dino legs correspond to the early script's description. Then there's pic related and another concept art of CT crashed on the snow with two bystanders just like the old man and kid.
Obligatory pict.
>>14168835
Most of the people here aren't bothering to prove OP wrong, they are laughing of OP for being such a shitty troll. Cause, a few posts aside the thread is no different than usual.
The movie was fine to mine. I just wish the main robot didn't have a fucking racial slur in the name. I mean, CHIRST!
>>14172732
>getting upset at the word Gypsy
>all caps
Tumblr please.
>>14171218
Actually now that I remember correctly, Coyote IS the one that Raleigh piloted and got destroyed. However the design itself really reminds me of Mark-I Gipsy. Maybe this was in a weird transitory state between the early concept and and the final product. That would mean they had finalised some designs first before changing the story.
>>14172732
Please do not take the Lord's name in vain
>>14168821
>giant mexican destroying trump wall
damm i have been imaging that some many times sucks i can't edit videos or make webms
>>14165702
Those were good times
>>14174245
That already happened in the scene where Mutavore invaded Sydney. It's symbolism, anon.
>>14174276
I meant a shitty edit of a pic of mexican on mutavore
>>14164993
Can we have transformer edit of this
>>14161237
>>14168453
Rekt. How embarrassing, America, your politics are no better than a standard action movie.
>>14157658
You can type "eres" but you should not use eres una, this implies you are talking to a woman, if you omit the "una/un" is still good
