GUNDAM THE ORIGIN
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Mobile Suit Discovery
http://www.gundam-the-origin.net/msd/index.html
RX-78-01[N]
Huh? Is this supposed to be a midway point between the RX-78 and the RX-79? Sure looks like it... weird.
>>14141395
They took the crotch piece and turned it upside down
>>14141395
>Huh? Is this supposed to be a midway point between the RX-78 and the RX-79? Sure looks like it... weird.
Just look at the diagram. They're positioning it as a prototype that came before and influenced the Ground Gundams and Ground GMs.
So they're trying to tie the animated Origin into 08th MS Team now.
>>14141373
going through that site, had no idea the YMS-03 had an official name now, Waff feels like an oddly appropriate name for it
>>14141395
>>14141416
seems like they're justifying the claim that the Ground Gundams were built using spare RX-78 parts when there isn't much visual similarity between the RX-78-2 and the RX-79 besides the head, in this case revealing that they meant a different RX-78 unit than the one Amuro uses(although part of me still likes the theory someone suggested here a couple months ago that the only actual Gundam parts used in making the Ground Gundams was the actual heads, with the rest being pretty much identical to Ground GM's)
wonder what the RX-78-01[L] is though?
>>14141452
I never understood why "parts" had to mean "aesthetics". What the cast/welded armor plates on the outside of the MS has nothing to do with the mechanical parts on the inside. The EZ8 looks nothing much like a RX-78 or that much like an RX-79 either.
>>14141373
so is this a scaled model were gonna get or just a kitbash/custom work they had made to announce it? either way if its not pbandai I wouldn't mind it.
>>14141452
Wasn't it supposed to be spare internal parts (motors, joints and bits of the reactor), with made-up designs filling in the missing parts? Thats what I assumed from its patchy performance and totally different shape.
The weirdest thing about the ground Gundam is that it has a beam rifle, when that's something they only got working on Side 7.
>>14141452
>>14141460
The RX-79 is built out of spare Project V parts, not just RX-78 parts. There's Guncannon, Guntank, and whatever unused developmental leftover parts that were going through research and development being used to assemble RX-79 units. If they only had RX-78 parts, it'd be easy enough to just assemble more RX-78 units. It's not like they didn't already have multiple RX-78 running around elsewhere in the EFF.
In any case, the kanji for the RX-78-01[L] and RX-78-01[N] are the same. Someone else in another thread suggested that they're "Local type Gundams". Not sure what the context is, but it could be local to Earth, or Jaburo (where the original RX-78-01 was first built and tested), or someplace else.
>>14141475
The RX-78-1 (MSV) and RX-78-01 (Origin) both have working beam rifles and came before the deployment of the RX-78-2 at Side 7.
Hell, the Guncannon design is older than any Gundam and always had a beam rifle.
Anyone else getting Pixie vibes from the RX-78-01[N]?
>>14141470
I don't think Bandai ever did a thing where the production model didn't resemble the model they show off at the announcement. They're usually pretty proud of the amount of work and planning that goes into developing a model. Sometimes when they announce stuff, they even have generic grey uncolored models for the reveal. If they have a plastic model on display, I'm pretty sure it's because they developed or are at least developing an actual kit that can be put together rather than have a stand-in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVHI7nKMqlE
Complain all you want about the RX-78-2 kits, I'd still rather take an HG Origin RX-78-2 over this. It's not bad, it just feels even more exploitative of the RX-78 than all the other RX-78 wank out there.
That's lame, looks like every MSD release will be accompanied by a p-bandai variant.
>>14141566
I have a feeling the hg origin will come out at the end of the origin ovas, either showing the gundam rising or before that and just tease the gundam. Hell if were lucky theyll continue the ovas past Chars stuff into the actual series.
>>14141479
>Someone else in another thread suggested that they're "Local type Gundams". Not sure what the context is
The wording of the Kanjis used is literally "local/limited terrain", to me it is in the same context as the Cold Climate GM or Zaku Desert Type, only difference is without one specific terrain attached to it. I think it is just a fancier name for "Ground Type".
>HG B.I.G. G.U.Y.
>HG Zaku I
>HG Waff
>now HG Visor Gundam
Discovery's releases have been surprisingly nice. Looking forward to [L].
>>14141452
>wonder what the RX-78-01[L] is though?
A way to make you pay for more plastic.
It's based off of the Rx-78-1 (To the point where it has mostly the same model number, so it was probably either intended as a varient or upgrade), which had some slight differences from the Rx-78-2. Depending on how you view the OVA's that was either the yellow one in pic related or the black one from the MSV line.
In both the manga and the original TV series the -1 is destroyed so that fits in with the idea that the MSD designs are rediscovered MS designs that never got built.
In Zeon's diagram there's no Gelgoog, does it ever appeared in the manga?
>>14141940
To think I wanted this as a kit, but after the origin gundam mg came out I saw it as redundant.
It'd be a recolor with the mg heavy gundam head
>>14141961
Yes.
>>14141974
Oh, doesn't look that much different. But I see a bigger rifle there, which is great since I think Gelgoog's beam rifle is too small and underwhelming.
>>14141373
Looking good, damn I like it.
Actually, I've been meaning to do a custom of a ground gundam that was fitted for space. Those legs might be exactly what I'm looking for.
>>14141409
i see a satisfied face
>>14141961
The diagrams only show what's relevant to the currently released episodes.
They'll expand them as they go along.
>acknowledging the abortion that is the RX-79 series
>>14142767
>for space
But I see no verniers for sick 3D space manuevers
>>14141460
>>14141475
>>14141479
I remember that thread, was a good point actually. An RGM-79[G] uses 80% of the same parts as an RX-79[G]. It uses the same weapons, the same Luna Titanium armor. That 20% that's different can't be replaced, and out of all the damage the Gundams took, the only thing not to be replaced was Karen's head.
Now granted, there's a lot of differences. They purposely omitted the chest launcher and backpack rack, and gave it a slightly smaller reactor (1150 vs. 1350). Which means the thruster output is 49,000 kg to a Gundam's 52,000 kg, and it has a standard weight that's one ton heavier. Yet it also has a max acceleration of 0.74 to a Gundam's 0.71. And it also has a slightly better sensor range (6 km to a Gundam's 5.9). But then you get Ez8 which is lighter than both of them, better reactor than both, AND is as fast as the GM, while having more internal weapons.
>>14146620
Nigga I will fight you through my router with all that shit and piss you are taking m8
>>14146823
RX-79s are shit and a dead end design wise
>>14146838
>RX-79s are shit and a dead end design wise
Exactly, and so fucking what? They weren't supposed to be some revolutionary units meant to create a huge line of successors, but cheap stopgap MS made out of spares from the RX-78's project. As such, they fulfilled their role marvelously,especially in Thunderbolt, where they're used to storm A Baoa Qu and retrieve the Zeongs' psychommu technology for the Federation.
>>14146926
source?
Something about it's torso just looks...off.
I'm not a fan 2bqh.
>>14146938
Thunderbolt Volume 4
>>14146938Gundam Thunderbolt is the source.
>>14147083
>no v-fin
>doesn't even look like the 79[G]
Damn.
>>14147095
Aren't those just GMs with Gundam style heads?
>>14147121
Nah.
>>14141940
>In both the manga and the original TV series the -1 is destroyed
The -1 never appeared (or was mentioned) in the TV series, dumbass. It was first featured in the MSV line, released a few years after the series. It is likely that the Discovery line will find some way to make the yellow and black/white/red units coexist.
>>14147083
>>14147139
it's literally the thunderbolt jim with a gundam head
>>14147296nah
>>14147095
>>14147121
Isn't it just taking design from ez 8 head design and combine it with 79 body?
Isn't the 78/79 gundam is just a super GM with diferent head?
Why the Feds always fail in creativity departement?
![ht02_02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WKsxCVf.jpg "ht02_02[1].jpg")
>>14147722
It has the same body and limbs as the Thunderbolt GM, it looks nothing like the 79 body.
>>14147735
78 then, or.....
Fuck it , they're all looks the same
>>14146838
Well yeah, they were thrown together out of things they had left over and then some stuff.
The EZ-8 is still one of the best looking Gundams though
>>14147095
>>14147121
>>14147188
>>14147296
>>14147722
All this discussion brings me back to something Ohtagaki said in an interview:
>I told them that I wanted to be able to work freely, even if that meant it wasn’t part of the Gundam canon, and they told me I could do what I want.
In the beginning, they tried to justify the odd-looking designs (with the subarms and covered joints) by just being specific variants used only for the junk-filled Thunderbolt Sector. Just like in other series, these can coexist alongside other designs, just like 0080 and 08th.
On Volume 4, Ohtagaki gives us his rendition of A Baoa Qu and its aftermath, with his own versions of a lot of other designs: Bigro, Zakrello, Psycommu-Type Zaku, Zeong, Zanny, Public-class, Luggun, Medea, Dopp, Acguy, Gogg, Grublo, G-Fighter AND Core Booster. Coexistence turns itself difficult when every design has a (new) thruster-filled backpack.
Like the author said, I don't see Thunderbolt being at all part of the standard UC canon. It's better to see it as a stand-alone take, kinda like For The Barrel.
>>14148599
Link to interview:
http://otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3
http://comic-soon.shogakukan.co.jp/blog/interview/2911/
quick question.
the new hg's are just repaints of the older hg's right?
I mean the Zaku i, II, Psycho, etc; they're all just rereleases right?
>>14148710
Nope. Parts look different and there's different styling/moulding.
http://dalong.net/review/hg/ht04/ht04_p.htm
>HGUC 자쿠 II 양산형과 함께. 10년이 넘는 격차가 있다보니, 퀄리티와 스타일에서 큰 차이를 보여줍니다.
>HGUC with Zaku II mass production. There is a gap of more than ten years later, shows a big difference in quality and style.
>>14148710
Pretty much, yes.
>>14148744
I think he's talking about the differences between the first (manga) HG Thunderbolt releases and the newer (anime) re-releases.
>>14148599
It's not a canon. Can we say it's the alternative universe to UC?
>>14148799
The Anime is canon to the UC timeline. They even re-did the FA Gundam's appearance.
>>14148599
he says that, but Sunrise's anime adaptation is definitely canon to it. They made changes and deleted things to make it fit so that
>In the beginning, they tried to justify the odd-looking designs (with the subarms and covered joints) by just being specific variants used only for the junk-filled Thunderbolt Sector
is the actual reason for why everything looks different
>>14148830
>>14148824
It will only work as long as they keep it in the Thunderbolt sector and end the story when the two forces destroy each other. If they plan to continue the anime with the events further on and, say, depict A Baoa Qu with Ohtagaki designs, you won't be able to justify it as it being in canon with the rest of the UC.
Right now, however, the Thunderbolt anime finds itself in the same neighborhood as 0080, Igloo and 08th, so the odd designs can still fit the canon more or less easily.
>>14148842
The Zaku F2 and Zaku FZ are just Katoki's and Izubuchi's versions of the same Zaku you see in the original MSG. In 0080 you never see an original Zaku running around, they are all Zaku FZ units. Same goes with Gundam 0083, all of the Zakus are Zaku F2 units. How did Sunrise reconcile these obviously different Zakus with different armaments? They just made them named variants. This is exactly what is happening in Gundam Thunderbolt. Just another variant.
>>14148842
Indeed, the SEA Alliance is not even mentioned in the other UC resources.
>>14148824
The writer already said it's not a canon to UC timeline.
>>14148926
Japs don't even have the same concept of "canon" as the west does. They have "official" which can be flexible as long as it's an officially produced part of the franchise.
![[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.37_[2016.04.22_23.15.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hbr1oCp.jpg "[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.37_[2016.04.22_23.15.51].jpg")
>>14148868
Actually, 0083 doesn't portray Zakus, GMs, and other MS that way. The variants that we see in the story such as the F2, Dom Tropen, GM C type, etc are all late war or post-war models. In the OYW flashback that Gato has, there are vanilla Zakus, Doms, and GMs. Gato himself has a regular Gelgoog.
![[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.44_[2016.04.22_23.17.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eiLlFQr.jpg "[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.44_[2016.04.22_23.17.21].jpg")
>>14148950
>>14148868
![[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.39_[2016.04.22_23.27.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LpCBl17.jpg "[EG]Gundam_0083_01_BD(1080p_10bit)[634AA91D].mkv_snapshot_00.39_[2016.04.22_23.27.19].jpg")
>>14148956
>>14148950
>>14148868
>>14148938
>Japs don't even have the same concept of "canon" as the west does.
Maybe that's the case as far as Sunrise/Sotsu/Bandai is concerned, but I find it extremely hard to believe that Gunota are not considering whether this or that element of the timeline can or cannot fit as part of a larger canon. Same as we're doing here.
Thunderbolt plot and units in the Mua sector? Okay. Can coexist with the rest of the stories. There's no contradiction or overlap with previous material. The White Base's journey (0079), the actions of the Kojima Batallion in Southeast Asia (08th), the various weapons tests by Zeon's 603 (igloo), the test of a new Gundam unit in Riah (0080), even the events and units before the OYW (The Origin's Anime) plus a number of other events from manga, videogames and MSV lines can live in the same timeline.
Unlike 0080, which respected the original events (and designs) for Solomon (>>14148950/>>14148956), Thunderbolt did its own take on A Baoa Qu. If you add that and the thing with the South Seas Alliance, you run into trouble.
>>14148938
>Japs don't even have the same concept of "canon" as the west does.
Nah. Just because they don't borrow a term originally used for religious studies it doesn't meant they don't get that two stories match or don't match together into a single continuity or world. There are often fan discussions about continuity there where you see terms like "parallel" thrown around (in the sense of it being a separate/parallel world and unable to fit with other stories).
>>14147786
>>14146926
Their boxy ass design is shit, they don't even deserve to be called Gundams seeing as they're all ugly and they job, hard.
There's some major issues with people trying to say that Thunderbolt can be shoe horned into either the TV or Movie timelines for UC.
The major one is the mobile suits themselves, the main counter argument is that these were suits designed specifically for the thunderbolt region. There are several flaws with this argument. The first is in the flashbacks during the One Week War, you see the Zakus sporting the same sort of backpacks they are using currently. Further more their model numbers weren't changed. The Thunderbolt Zaku II is still designated as the MS-06 Zaku II. They only added on Thunderbolt ver. for the models to keep people from being confused. Further more, there shouldn't have been a fleet that had Gelgoogs yet because the MS-14A wasn't used until the 31st of December which was the day the Battle of A Baoa Qu occurred. This isn't even getting into the Federation weaponry. So you cannot say it fits into what 0080 or MS IGLOO did with their reworkings of mobile suits in the former or the prototypes in the later because there was clear reasoning for those, Thunderbolt on the other hand basically says 'We were given free reign to proceed how we wanted'
So Thunderbolt is its own separate take on UC gundam in the same vein as Origin.
>>14150469
What do you think of Origin MS Discovery attempting to tie Origin's RX-78-01 to 08th MS Team's RX-79 and RGM-79[G]?
What's the point in even attempting to shove Thunderbolt into the main UC timeline when the manga author literally said he went off rails because he wanted to. The differences aren't even subtle or debatable, such as the case of Ground Types in 08th MS Team.
Thunderbolt is an AU, just like The Origin, they both take advantage of having the OYW backdrop so that nothing needs to be explained to the viewer as to what the big picture is, while do their own spin on how the stories could unfold. These are literally what-if scenarios.
>>14150469
> the main counter argument is that these were suits designed specifically for the thunderbolt region. There are several flaws with this argument. The first is in the flashbacks during the One Week War, you see the Zakus sporting the same sort of backpacks they are using currently.
As I said before, the events that happened in the Thunderbolt sector (Volumes I-III, maybe the totality of the anime miniseries). By keeping the story constrained to that, we can keep the argument that you just mentioned: the Mobile Suits are specific models deployed for the Thunderbolt Sector.
It's on volume IV that things get off the canon rails, with A Baoa Qu and the flashback to the One Week War with Zakus sporting backpacks.
>Further more, there shouldn't have been a fleet that had Gelgoogs yet because the MS-14A wasn't used until the 31st of December which was the day the Battle of A Baoa Qu occurred.
We can apply the same "distinct Thunderbolt variant" to the Gelgoogs as well. Note that all of them have cables that connect the beam rifles to the backpack, whereas all the known Gelgoogs have independent beam weapons. As for deployment dates, your numbers are a little off:
http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/timeline.php
According to the Simmons timeline, the Gelgoog chassis was deployed on October, 0079. Beam weapons for it didn't appear until late November. Earliest combat deployment of the MS-14 is dated to December 8.
>This isn't even getting into the Federation weaponry.
What about it? There's nothing even remotely odd about them. The weirdest thing would be the GMs with twin beam rifles, but even those are originally from the (regular) Full Armor Gundam.
