If Macross Delta is a huge success, what're the odds of Gundam going the same route?
Zeonwank will still sell more than idolshit.
>>14103558
What if we combined them? Zeon tries to win using a team of Puru idols in mobile suits with funnel speakers and the Feds need to assemble a team of teenagers with attitude (and music) in other mobile suits to stop them.
>>14103563
>a team of Puru idols in mobile suits
FUND IT
>>14103556
Slim to none. Macross followed in the footsteps of Mobile Suit Gundam, not the other way around.
But come to think of it...Gundam already did the pop idol pricess thing back in Gundam SEED and she was far more popular than any Macross idol ever was if the newtype magazine polls are to be believed. But then Gundam moved on from that and did other things, because Gundam actually has other types of stories to tell. Kawamori is a one-trick pony.
-sleek transforming jets
-love triangle with pop princess
-j-pop provides the key to peace with the aliens
-lather, rinse, repeat
>>14103581
And the execution becomes worse every time.
>>14103595
>And the execution becomes worse every time.
You're talking about Gundam, right?
>>14103581
>Gundam has other types of stories to tell
since fucking when, G?
>>14103709
>>14103709
G-Reco trying a brand new story from a brand new approach but sadly new anime viewers simply can't understand it thus we are doomed forever with repetitive stories over and over again without any new revolutionary ways of story telling
>>14103755
G-Reco wasn't new though. It was basically Turn-A in a lot of ways, with a good chunk of the themes and influences of previous Tomino Gundam shows thrown in too. I've no idea what you mean by new approach, unless you think him deciding to compress the story was a new method. Which it wasn't.
>>14103581
>Lacus more popular than Sheryl.
Implying.
>>14103755
It was literally King Gainer with Gundam shellacked on over it, don't flatter yourself.
>>14103759
G Reco was a fun space adventure when people expected a serious war story.It was not new,it was different from most of the other series.
>>14103845
They visited two space places in 26 episodes and saw shit all of them. I wouldn't call it adventure personally.
>>14103845
>saying this
>in a franchise where people hate ZZ for doing the exact same thing
>>14103709
Yes, actually, since G.
Because G was the first AU Gundam and was different from UC Gundam in every way. Wing came next, with a completely different approach to the political side of war and the motivations of the militaries' leaders. X kind of went back to the UC themes, but in a post-apocalyptic setting and with a non-newtype main character. Turn A skirted very close to being a fairy tale in the way its elements were presented, and while its "prevent the buildup of hostilities between two parties who want to return to war", it did it without the presence of newtypes which X's entire story revolved around and intoduced the idea of ancient forgotten technology and previous eras of mobile suit combat. AGE showed the gradual descent of an optimistic child who wanted to be a hero into a genocidal fascist and its generational nature family conflict and the young discarding the views of the older generation (which was only lightly touched on in Zeta and X). 00 was about forcing humanity to discard our differences and unite into a single people rather than resolution of an existing military conflict.. SEED went back to the classic MSG themes of rebelling space colonies but with the advancement of humanity turned around from idealist beliefs that man would evolve to a new form to fundamentalist beliefs that humanity should not step forward into a new form. Also the first time the "best friends on opposite sides of the war" angle came into play outside of "love on the battlefield". And IBO is about the unfortunate who grew up in the aftermath of a war and their struggle to make a name for themselves and stake a claim in their world, again forgoing the resolution of a pre-existing military conflict, newtypes, beam weapons, etc.
There is almost no similartiy between IBO and SEED. No similarity between 00 and Reco. No similarity between AGE and G. No similarity between X and ∀.
Now tell me all about a Macross that isn't "pop princess sings at aliens".
>>14103859
Yeah, ZZ did it poorly. How hard is it to understand that?
>>14103864
Well, there's Plus. But if we're going to be reductionist faggots about this, G is the only one you listed that isn't "spacefags and earthfags fight a bloody war of emancipation characterized by a persistent arms race."
>>14103877
ZZ doing it at all means G-Reco isn't doing something new by having fun space adventures when a normal and serious Gundam show is expected. How hard is that to understand?
>>14103864
The Macross series aren't the same between series' either except for common themes no different than Gundam. Every Macross needs transforming jets, singing in some fashion and a love triangle. These are the only things a Macross series has to have in some fashion, it's an iconic point of the franchise. Every Gundam needs a white lead Gundam, a guy in a mask and a romantic plotline, these are also iconic points of the franchise. Outside of that the series can do anything they want. There isn't a similarity between 7 and Zero or Plus and Frontier
The only Macross series that are vaguely similar are SDF and Frontier and even then, it's similar in the way 0079 and SEED are similar
>>14103887
>spacefags and earthfags fight a bloody war of emancipation
That was not present in 00, AGE, or IBO. It's part of the backstory of X, but they don't really get around to starting another war because Garrod.
Really it doesn't fit SEED either because the PLANTs weren't waging war for political independence, they were defending themselves from a campaign of genocide (though they did wind up being led by a genocidal asshole of their own). AGE also wasn't about emancipation, it was about a lunatic starting a war to spur "survival of the fittest" on. And while political independence was a stated goal in IBO, there was no war. A small mercenary unit forced their way to earth and into edmonton so that a democratic election could take place. There's even less of a war in IBO than there was in ZZ or Reco.
Try harder. Try again.
>>14103556
Not until Gundam does cute girls and music/dancing.
Show about cute giant humanoid tools of war doing cute things when?
>>14103864
> Now tell me all about a Macross that isn't "pop princess sings at aliens".
So you want to be told about II, Plus, 7 and Zero?
>>14103996
Oh, where to start...
First off, all Basara DOES is sing at aliens. That's his whole schtick. He sings at spacewhales. He blows girls clothes off with his singing, he tries to stop battles by making people listen to him sing.
No idea why you thought bringing 7 up would help your case.
Macross II revolved 100% around singing at aliens. The Marduk controlled their Zentradi by singing at them. Ishtar thought the Macross was the Alus because it brought peace through a song. Ishtar sang during the final battle.
NO idea why you thought bringing up II would help your case.
Zero almost gets out of it because Sara isn't actually a pop star, but it's also the show that elevated "the power of music" from psychological and emotional effect to literal magic that makes rocks float. Also I seem to recall something about the entire plot leading up to people persuading Sara to sing at the alien.
I'll give you Plus, despite the fact that Isamu isn't from earth and Guld isn't even human and Sharon *does* sing at them. That was the one time Macross stepped outside the formula.
>>14103995
Uh...
>>14104042
And then they turn her into a Freighter...
>>14104052
Her body was destroyed.
>>14104034
I brought up 7 because Basara is neither s pop singer or a princess. I brought up II because I thought Ishtar sang at Marduk, not Zentradi. I was wrong and haven't since it in a long time obviously. Sara isn't a pop princess either, and while Sharon does sing, she mainly sings at audiences and in the finale sings at a human - not an alien. She's also not a pop princess.
The irony is that both Macross and Gundam were really unique when they were made, and now both have become fodder for cliches.
>>14103581
>because Gundam actually has other types of stories to tell.
I fucking wish. G Gundam was 20 years ago and its been nothing but rehashes and wasted potential falling back into the same run of the mill gundam tropes.
>>14103581
>Gundam already did the pop idol pricess thing back in Gundam SEED and she was far more popular than any Macross idol ever was
gundamfags everyone
>>14103864
>Now tell me all about a Macross that isn't "pop princess sings at aliens".
Macross Plus
Macross Zero
Macross II
Are you fucking retarded?
>autist with white mobile suit fights guy with a mask
Every gundam ever
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>>14107532
>Every gundam ever
Hi!
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>>14107532
>Every gundam ever
Yo!
>>14107543
Best smell in Gundam history or BEST smell in Gundam history?
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>>14107532
>Every gundam ever
Ni hao!
>>14107543
>>14107545
>autists
>white mobile suit
2 for 3 here, anything else?
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>>14107532
>Every gundam ever
Guten tag.
>>14107532
you're wrong.
>autist with a white mobile suit fight guy with mask
>war is bad ok
there we go
>>14103864
G isn't actually all that different theme-wise from UC gundam, it's just that superficially it looks different because of the tournament aspect and the way it treats the tech that it has
>>14107564
>>14107532
>autist with white mobile suit fights guy with a mask
>war is bad ok
>bad guys use monoeyes
>good guys use visors if they make their own mechs
>something something earth and space
>>14104034
I lament lack of adaptation for The Ride. Space racing triathlon, now this is something you see rarely in mecha.
Also, sexy polish pilot.
On main issue - both Gundam and Macross became formulaic and repetive. Because it sells. Most people want more of the same but prettier/grittier depending on personal preferences. UC and Frontier show that tendency best, with au continuities and side stories being eighter labour of love or carefully choreographed experiments like Build Fighters. >>14104065
>enka.
>>14104085
Of course. Try watching Love Hina nowadays for comparision with other genres.
Postmodernism is a thing for a reason.
>>14107889
Post-modernism is not a thing for the same reason that modernism is not a thing.
>>14107899
True. And let's not forget producers and writers being cheap hacks mostly, as being truly creative isn't exactly easy.
It isn't really abput philosophy of creating things but simple question of economy. Of it sells enough for studio to earn money, who cares if its mediocre show ?
>>14107889
What about Enka?
>>14107914
What needs to happen is a divorce of artistic expression in mecha genre from economic systems.
>>14107931
Good luck with that. At least in mainstream. Self publication can and had worked out for written media but as little witch academia showed us, anime is too ambitious.
>>14107923
Basara is, according to Alto-hime.
Macross has always been idolshit. From the very beginning it was idolshit.
If in the 37 year history of Gundam they've only done idolshit once and gave up on it almost immediately what makes you think Delta could convince them to do idolshit now?
Plus Bandai and Sunrise already have an idolshit show that's more popular than Macross.
>>14107931
The only way to do that at all is make indie comics. When doing those, the sky's the limit when it comes to time and refinement.
>>14107949
Love Live! Gaiden with characters from a bunch of different properties when?
>>14107949
Because gundam idol was politician first and idol as an afterthought really. It worked with audience pretty much like what heppens when pop idol irl spouts nonsense about current events.
>>14107957
Limited audience means small money inflow. If you want to reach more people and keep the pace you need a team at which point you might as well work with professional.
>>14107944
Enka isn't pop and he still isn't a princess.
>>14103563
>>14103566
C-can we have Puru-nee as their manager?
>>14107972
Just watch this.
https://youtu.be/5CEPKvBZN2M
>>14103803
Look son, I love Sheryl a lot, I sing along to her songs and stuff, and yes she was pretty popular, but never as popular in Japan as Lacus-fucking-Clyne.
>>14107889
While both have their formulas, Id have to say that Macross is significantly less repetitive than Gundam is. Macross has never fought the same enemy twice between different entries in the franchise, and consistently builds on top of what came before to go new places and do new things. Despite music playing a part in each, the reason WHY music is important and how it is used is always different.
In comparison, Gundam is generally incapable of escape the One Year War. If its not another OYW sidestory, its an AU that is the OYW with the serial numbers filed off. There are Gundam shows that are not the above, but they are in the minority and they generally sell badly compared to new UC material, which encourages them not to make more of those.
I like them both, but when I watch a new Gundam I usually know exactly what I am getting into. The apple never falls far from the tree of UC.
But when I watch a new Macross, I can only really guess where the show is going to end up. Delta could end up being nearly anything at this point.
>>14107995
I can't. Not available in my country. And even if it somehow managed to prove that Basara was playing pop music (which I doubt) he's still not a princess.
>>14103556
pls g gundam with idols.
>>14108487
>Have you seen this manager?
>>14103755
REVOLUTIONARY!!!
>>14103556
IBO idol
>going the same route
Macross has been idolshit since SDF.
>>14103556
Sunrise already have Love Live for that. So maybe a love live x Gundam cross over?
>>14103581
>newtype magazine polls
It doesn't mean anything. Newtype is shit.
>>14110819
Realistically, it would be a special about them being the image characters of a large Gundam event.
>>14103877
ZZ >>>>> G-Recum
>>14103556
it won't be a gundam then.
>>14110819
LL might be in trouble, so I don't know about that
>>14108003
Call me back when Lacus gets her own fashion line, when the series timeline implies that she has unreleased music, and which then gets released due to fan demand. When her artbook sells out before it's even released.
I have a confession.
I can't get enough of that kneehigh boot design on the Nobels in OP's pic.
I need this to be a thing on the actual Nobel.
>>14111830
The black knee highs with yellow laces are extremely erotic to me. I have a shoe fetish though.
>>14103563
I think a boyband of Char Clones pilots would be more profitable. They can double as MASKED pilots by day and popular idol band by night.
>>14111830
>>14111891
You guys too, huh?
>>14103563
>Puru idols
Get this man a job.
>>14103558
Idolshit is just a meme
Zeon being a shit is fact
>>14107564
>fighting is bad
>lets solve all our problems by fighting
>also some psychic ghosts will help
>>14111416
>LL might be in trouble
What? Why?
>>14114518
VA scandal
>>14103556
It kind of already did that though, and in two shows.Gunpla World is a pretty great song
>>14114548
Bleh. Japan is a fucking nightmare. We shouldn't have stopped at two.
>>14114570
There is far worse in other countries
>>14110819
>>14114594
If you've ever had the misfortune to watch American cartoons you'd be praying Kim Yong nukes Hollywood.
Jesus I still remember that day I had to watch Spiderman with some normalfag friends.
It can always get worse.
>>14114597
it would be amazing
>>14103563
>>14103566
>>14107994
>>14113326
one puru, two puru, three puru... ALL THE PURUS!but i prefer Marida.
>>14115050
Full Frontal's understudy is cute...
>>14115144
She will finish what Full Frontal-senpai started.
SIEG NEO-ZEON!
>>14107569
u wut?
UC Gundam is about the tragedy of war senselessly devouring lives of good people on both sides because disputes between the aristocracy on both sides is played out through the sacrifice of the common people's lives. It's "ends-justify-the-means proactivity vs bureaucratic homeostasis causes normal people's lives to suck"..
G Gundam is about a world that doesn't even have war, where national politics are decided by a tournament fight that doesn't allow you to kill your opponent, and the emergence of an insane environmentalist robot that wants to end pollution by eradicating humanity.
Literally the only overlap there is the "the environment could heal if man was no longer on earth" bit.
>>14115063
There's only 11 Purus in this picture
>>14115251
Puru 2 isn't in the picture, she's probably somewhere else being moody.
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>>14103556
>love live is a huge success
>delta on track to sell more than greco and ibo
Only a matter of time until the 2nd coming of Lacus
>>14115251
Who do you think is holding the camera?
>>14117552
Whoops! Forgot to delete the image after I decided not to reply to >>14114997
about Rick and Morty.
Sorry folks!
