I regularly see Eva criticized for failing to make Rei uncanny valley enough. According to these people, Anno said his intention was for Rei to be creepy and inhuman, and fall into the uncanny valley.
These people say Anno failed because there's still fanservice with Rei.
The problem is, I've never seen an actual quote from Anno where he actually says this, although I've seen people say "Anno said X" plenty of times. Did he ever actually say anything like this? Has anyone ever seen such an interview? Or is it just some meme based off of nothing?
I'd love to see what his actual words are on the subject.
>>14081391
>implying this wasn't GOATAnno's plan from the beginning
>>14081391
>I regularly see Eva criticized for failing to make Rei uncanny valley enough. According to these people, Anno said his intention was for Rei to be creepy and inhuman, and fall into the uncanny valley.
>>14081391
Anno never said that. There has never been a source/article/photo of that interview which is why you'll never find it.
You can see many ofl his/eva staff interviews etc(at least what have been translated) here
https://www.gwern.net/otaku
>>14081675
That's what I thought. Thanks for the link.
>>14081391
>Anno said his intention was for Rei to be creepy and inhuman, and fall into the uncanny valley.
Humans can sexualize robots, planes and even spaceships. Did he really thought he could stop people from sexualizing her?
>>14081391
>Draw a beautiful girl.
>Make her traumatised to trigger a man's protective instinct.
>Create a sexy outfit for her.
>Show erotical scenes with her countless times.
>Add a touchy moment when she shows real emotions for once.
>I guess it's a good turn-off for waifufags!
>>14081391
>just some meme based off of nothing?
Welcome to 4chan. The /b/ disclaimer applies to EVERY board.
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
If you see /anything/ on 4chan, double check it. It'll most likely be someone just fishing for replies by posting something a lot of people will bite and believe without doing any thinking of their own, whatsoever.
If Anno really wanted to play the creepy angle, he would have revealed that she was Shinji's soulless mom clone right when Shinji accidentally grabbed her boob
He never did reveal that in show, even if he strongly implied it. I think the intention of Rei was just to represent the stoic, dead inside part of Anno's depressed mind, although to be fair,
>>14081863
>implying horror and eroticism are not two side of the same coin
Reminder that Tomino hates every AU Gundam and everyone that likes them, especially the one you really like.
>>14081981
What horror are you talking about?
Why were they not able to make another good evangelion anything after episode 23? What happened? I just got around to actually watching the movies.
>>14082373
They ran out of money.
>>14081672
>No Maya.
>>14081391
>Implying he didn't plan both because that was what was needed to lure in otaku for possible decryption but use that to fall back on saying his original intention was only to be deep
>>14082827
Toji, what are you doing with Rei?
>>14082976
>he thinks that Toji
>>14082998
Asuka likes dat chocolate.
>>14081675
Glad this rumor has been put to rest.
She'd have to look like an ugly pig for that to happen. She's voiced by Megumi for fund's sake, she have to be a truly awful and minor character at that point.
>>14081863
>beautiful
>traumatised
>sexy
>erotical
None of these words describe Rei though
>>14083091
The second time you see Rei in episode 1, and she's all covered head to toe in bandages.
That's traumatized, anon-kun.
>>14082998
>German women.
>>14083122
>physical trauma
>Mattering long term
The bitch doesn't even validate the "protective instinct" with gratefulness
>>14083038
Porn star?
>>14083130
>German
>Even though she's quarter Jap, quarter German and half American
>That means she's German
I hate this meme.
>>14083091
Thought you were describing Asuka there.
>>14085239
Just saved this image as "moderngermany.jpg". Suck it.
>>14085242
>>14081391
I don't believe that they tried to make her scary or unlikeable for a second. That's bullshit. Everything about her arouses suspicion. Like being able to fucking disappear and having no concept of social norms
>>14081675
>One interesting question is if the 3.11 earthquake altered the intention of the film, leading to the abandonment of the material for the original preview. One indication is that the lantern Anno drew with the film’s release date had the same message as the wallpaper Khara contributed as part of the fundraising effort following the earthquake. The main source of the rumor, though, is Naomi Kawase, the director of Utada’s “Sakura Nagashi” video, who wrote in a blog that:
「ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:Q」(庵野秀明監督、全国公開中)と題された3作目は、2011年3月11日に起こった東日本大震災の影響から、その作品世界の舵を大きく変更したと聞いた。
>“I heard that as a result of the impact of the Great East Japan Earthquake on 2011.3.11, the direction of the world of the third work, titled Evangelion Shingekijoban: Q, greatly changed.”
Thanks Nature for fucking up what could have been a good movie.
Thanks really.
>create damsel in distress that will learn to cook for you
Japanese people don't always get the west
>>14081672
Fumingly another case of uncanny valley being lost to the audience in the noise of Muh-feelz
I'll bite, what the hell are these 3D pictures that keep getting posted from time to time?
>>14085496
From this, silly. It has been posted before in Eva threads, though. You probably didn't notice.
http://exhentai.org/g/904411/350ec37588/
>>14085828
Is the site down or something?
>>14085855
>He doesn't know sadpanda
>>14085874
>can shapeshift into human form
>can drive humans insane by revealing true form
But that's not true. She can shapeshift out of human form when combined with Adam and she can take down people's AT Fields but that's not the same.my autism will not allow a joke to go by if it doesn't adhere to the show
Literally every character and every thing in existence will be attractive to somebody and probably made into porn.
Rule 34 as a concept exists because of this and in support of this.
Then add to that making the sexualization of a character "taboo" or trying to fight back against it in anyway, and you have the perfect shitstorm of fetish-fueled-porn to explode all over the place.
Anno is a dumbass. He tried to make characters that were basically "off-limits" to fap to and thought that it wouldn't make everyone want to fap even harder, and then when he made that scene in EoE to "criticize" these people, everyone just thought it was hilarious and most people probably thought seeing Asuka's tits were hot, just like Shinji did.
It's just like the chicks from Steven Universe. They were more "tradtionally" cartoon-hot in the pilot, but then got turned into weird, simplistic, far more cartoonish versions in the show because the ones in the pilot were "too attractive" and yet it did nothing. They butchered their own character designs for an impossible goal, as seen by the 64 pages of Steven Universe porn over on Paheal.
>>14085916
>Anno is a dumbass. He tried to make characters that were basically "off-limits" to fap
I'll take shit that didn't happen for 500.
No seriously, you'd think you could at least skim the thread before making yourself look like a retard.
>>14085239
Gas yourself and stop reposting this bullshit, Pearse. Eat thermite, faggot. I will curbstomp the shit out of you.
>>14085828
Gun yourself down, spoonfeeding shitfaggot.
>>14085496
Some faggit who thinks he's fucking hilarious for posting literal cuckshit. His only merit was translating things but he's apparently too busy promoting gay shit like this.
>>14085239Germany needs to rethink what it means to be German.
>>14086104
HAA DUDE LIKE, THAT WAS SUCH A FUKKEN HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL JOKE I MEAN DAMN, FUEKKN COMESY GOLD BWAHAHAHANAHABA YOURE TOO MUCH ANON JEEZUSBDJSNDDBX THIS EDGY NEW WAVE /INT/ TIER HUMOR BAH GOD ITS JUST WOOOOOOOOOO MN
>>14085977
Spotted the cuck. Also, how's it cuck if they're not anyone's woman?
>>14085964
Calm down there, autismo.
>>14085972
>waaa waaa waa
That's all I hear.
>>14086104
But they are. That's why they're importing 12th century barbarians.
>>14086778
Feel free to end yourself whenever, Mr. Le ebin trawl
>>14086778
>someone calls out cuck shit
>spotted the cuck
Are you retarded, lad?
>>14086109Inshallah, bro.
>>14081391
He doesn't understand the mindset of waifufags. They create fanart and fanfiction regardless of whether the source material falls into the uncanny valley or not, and said fanart/fanfiction are attempts from waifufags to inject their own fantasy into the character.
>>14086778
> Also, how's it cuck if they're not anyone's woman?
If they're people who assume the proper pairing in Eva was Shinji/Asuka... it's still not cuckolding, because they aren't fucking married... wait, sorry, my inner literalist came up for that one. People here seem to assume that if any man touches a woman who is in a relationship with another man, it's cucking.
Now, seeing how Asuka is never actually going out with Shinji canonically, there is no actual cucking going on in those pictures (or afterward). Some people just love their buzzwords is all.
I wonder how much of Anno's reaction about Rei is from Mogudan's Rei and her ever increasing bust.
>>14086964
I'm certainly not a shipper, I was just using it in a very loose sense. Still, tired of seeing this garbage reposted. A complete waste.
>>14086964
Most people also say it because they think it's something to do with black people when it's not.
>>14086800
Because only actual cucks get triggered, wee lad. Also, it not cuck.
>>14086989
More importantly, what does Anno think about this?
>>14083157
Physical trauma is what matters most. Men go berserk when they see women get harmed.
>>14087017
>leme just post a pic of you're waifu in this situation
>WHAT!?? YOU'RE OFFENDED!?? LMAO U KEK.
I beat your ass into a pulp on /a/. Stop reposting grotesque shit for attention you lamentable waste of biomass. Stuff a shotgun up your ass and pull the trigger, cancer.
>>14085916
Uh Shinji didn't think it was hot he thought it was messed up since you know he goes "I'm so fucked up" afterwards
>>14087073
But she's not real. Therefore you can't be cucked. And you're not married, either.
>I beat your ass into a pulp on /a/.
I knew you were stupid, but I never knew you were delusional.
>>14087078
He just say's "I'm the worst", dublover. They just added that in.
>>14087091
Says that too in subs subfag
Why do people take this show so seriously? It wasn't that amazing.
>>14087128
It's ok anon to not like it. I personally love it
>>14087078
But he got horny first. I think, anon meant that.
>>14087091
She's real in my heart. I most certainly will give you shit for attentonwhoring by repeatedly reposting grotesque images. You're frankly an insufferable faggot and should take a leisurely bath with a toaster. It's so fuckin apparent each time, too. It shouldn't take me scolding you like a babby for you to not be a colossal faggot. Anyhow enjoy that ban.
>>14087122
Ever heard of dubtitles?
>>14087128
Because le deep, pretentious garbage with waifus.
>>14087145
>attentonwhoring
Calm down, bra. It's just a reaction image. Stop getting so triggered over the simplest thing.
>She's real in my heart.
And that's the only place she'll ever be real.
>>14087193
The plan was to become 2D anyhow, faggot.
>>14087131
I really do like it, but people in this thread are talking very strongly about it.
>>14081391
>I regularly see Eva criticized for failing to make Rei uncanny valley enough. According to these people, Anno said his intention was for Rei to be creepy and inhuman, and fall into the uncanny valley.
>These people say Anno failed because there's still fanservice with Rei.
These people are called "Asuka fans".
They're eternally insecure about their own favorite character because of it's status as the "poster girl" of Evangelion, and as a more powerful presence in the original series. So they made up a whole bunch of stuff about the original, because "you weren't supposed to like Rei, you were supposed to like Asuka!", and then completely ignoring the traits of the characters, and that people have their own preference regardless of what they think people were "supposed" to like.
You have no idea how bad an influence these fans have been over the years.
>>14085899
>But that's not true.
It checks out.
>She can shapeshift out of human form when combined with Adam
She dropped that arm, without bleeding, without anything, before combining, and she was already letting her own AT-field down so she could shift shape before.
>and she can take down people's AT Fields but that's not the same.
Revealing her "true form" made Maya scream, it made Shinji scream, driving them "insane".
There was definite SAN loss going on.
Perhaps one day Rei will grow a personality and become even mildly interesting as a result.
>>14083157
>>14083091
Rei is pretty darned traumatized. As a child she got it beaten into her pretty hard that she had no real control of her life and that she was replaceable.
She was murdered as at a scientists whim.
>>14086964
>the proper pairing in Eva was Shinji/Asuka
If that's the case, then Asuka got cucked pretty hard in episode 24.
>>14087222
Was the /a/ thread not enough to spew your autism in?
>>14087230
>Perhaps one day Asuka will grow a personality and become even mildly interesting as a result.
Fixed that for you.
The best thing about Evangelion that Asuka fans don't understand, is that Asuka had no will or personality of her own. Her entire life was a lie, created by NERV. She was to be "the best pilot", exactly like they had been telling her from she was small. (Ep 22)
This was so much a part of her life, that when NERV says she can't pilot any more, she breaks down and tries to kill herself, and failing that, she becomes completely inert. Like a doll who had just had her strings cut. It was that "life", or it was nothing, she had no core values or core personality of her own. It was all NERV's.
In the meantime, Rei spent her time defining herself, and therefore having a personality of her own. She can live by herself, she can decide to not pilot, and she can decide to stick it to Gendo if she so desires.
It's the perfect example of how one should not judge a dog by it's tail.
>>14087248
This pasta is as stale as Rei's body composition without her meds.
>>14087244
?
Just answering the OP. It's a misconception that has been spread for far too long, by Asuka fans through the fanbase rumour mill. Good thing that the OP had the brains to question it.
>>14087230
Then play this game.
>>14087222
Underrated post.
>>14087227
>Revealing her "true form" made Maya scream
Is that what happened? I thought it was just a death scream.
>>14087255
I just wrote it, so it can't be a pasta.
>>14087260
>Is that what happened? I thought it was just a death scream.
Ah, the death scream. Classic SAN hit right there.
>>14087256
No.
Just a question, /m/
If Rei is canonically
>mankind's mother
>has the most powerful AT-field generated by a single being
>takes responsibility for her actions
>is willing to sacrifice herself for the good of her comrades and the people of earth
>can fly
>doesn't hurt anyone unless she's standing up for someone else
>is an exotic human/angel hybrid
>someone who keeps her cool in tough situations and saves Shinji, Asuka and the rest when things go bad
>someone leads the way when she needs to
>someone who has gone through physical and psychological hell without buckling, at most shedding a few tears
why on earth do so many people pretend she isn't fucking awesome? More to the point, what exactly is this nonsense about Anno or as some say, Asuka fans saying that she's weak?
I like totally get that she can be creepy, but it's not like Anno or anyone else says that's the point, but why go so far?
>>14087279
>It's not OK that OP dared questioning something that turned out to be a lie
....ok?
>>14087264
>>14087260
>>14087227
>>14085899
Oh yeah, Maya is not quite sane after this one.
>>14087262
Oh but it certainly is.
>>14087286
>...
Don't do that.
>>14087290
>>14087293
Okay, now you're just being a sourpuss. Show me where else this text exists then, because I just wrote it
>>14087295
>her smile and optimism
>gone
>>14087293
...ok?
>>14087297
You're pretty much parroting textwall kun's usual rhetoric, assuminv you aren't the big fat faggot itself.
>>14087311
You lost me.
>>14087282
She's a plot device that was never fleshed out as a character.
Everything you listed means nothing at the end of the day when her character pales heavily in comparison to Shinji, Misato, and Asuka.
Her role in the story is to do things and say things when the plot demands it, she has no character beyond that.
>>14087327
>that was never fleshed out as a character.
Rebuildfag, please.
>>14086778
>>14085828
>>14085251
>>14085239
>>14082827
>People have fapped to this
I don't think there's a reaction image that can sum up both my worry and keks.
>>14087327
>She's a plot device that was never fleshed out as a character.
Rei was fleshed out very well as a character in NGE. She gets dropped in Rebuild true, but even then she's still more of a character than Asuka in that canon. I was talking about NGE, if it wasn't clear.
>Everything you listed means nothing at the end of the day when her character pales heavily in comparison to Shinji, Misato, and Asuka.
It means a lot actually. All of those are perfectly fine reasons for a character to be awesome, cool or well-liked.
Not only that, Rei doing all those things are tied to her character and evolve as result of her actions. Her quest and development towards discovering herself led her to unlock new knowledge about herself, and she then used it. Metaphorically it's perfectly fitting by bettering oneself. In the meantime, Asuka's passivity in relation to development rewards her with failure.
>Her role in the story is to do things and say things when the plot demands it, she has no character beyond that.
What she says and does is related to the plot though.
So what exactly do you mean? All of these things are factors that just make Asuka pale in comparison with Rei here. Because if anyone is a plot device, it's Asuka. More than a character, Asuka serves as a foil to Shinji.
This is why Asuka, unlike Shinji, Misato or Rei never develops. Plus Rei has a much better character than Asuka in NGE as well, because Rei's character actually finishes with a conclusion she made.
So why do you feel the need to lie about Rei, anon?
>>14087327
>She's a plot device that was never fleshed out as a character.
>Everything you listed means nothing at the end of the day when her character pales heavily in comparison to Shinji, Misato, and Rei.
>Her role in the story is to do things and say things when the plot demands it, she has no character beyond that.
Fixed that for you. Hell, Asuka's "big fight" is pretty much a handout from her mommy in the EVA, and it's a fight she'd doomed to lose because she's serving as a plot device for Shinji to lose his sanity.
You know, in the meantime while Rei is owning the shit out of Gendo, Evangelion's #1 oppressing and patriarchal figure that no one gets the best of, not even SEELE.
>>14087375
>a handout
Wish someone had the Deadsea cap on hand.
>>14087375
Pretty much. Asuka is more or less inconsequential in all of Evangelion as anything more than a plot device, she has no real impact or say in how things change or move, she's only there to deal with the themes.
As is Rei, as is Misato, as is Gendo, and not to mention Shinji.
>>14087327
I don't see Asuka or any of the others sans Shinji having her own monologue anon. That's not plot-related at all, it's Rei's inner self, earlier than we get Asuka's or Misato's by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC1TVoNd-xs
Rei beats Asuka in the character department too, and quite frankly despite being the second protagonist, Misato as well. Misato could really have gone somewhere, but Anno doesn't deliver her final act very well.
>>14087399
(pretty thematically sound to have the most self assured and narcissistic character ultimately be worth the least)
>>14087489
Bingo.
I think the fanbase of the character also reflects that, they are failures themselves who take out their impotent rage on other parts of the fanbase, especially Rei since she's had Asuka beaten in both the show AND real life.
Reminds me of the scene where Rei tries to help Asuka in the elevator, and then Asuka lashes out and calls Rei a doll.
It's like poetry. It rhymes
>>14087482
>Rei's pseudo deep monologue
>Worthy of any praise
Muh metaphors.
>>14087500
Do you get tired of replying to yourself and circlejerking?
>>14087507
>>14087509
Looks like an irrational Asuka fan has entered the thread.
>>14087512
>called me out better bait xD
Reifags are trash just like their tentacle reip victim waifu.
>>14087489
(pretty thematically sound to have the most self sacrificing and stoic character ultimately be worth the most)
>>14087621
>>14085874
So glad I made this one.
Rei best girl.
>>14087091
>But she's not real.
>>14087698
>bettter shitpost on /a/ and /m/ as well oho!
Rei is a fucking toilet.
>>14087698
That only works with traps anon
>>14087738
If you imply that Asuka is a tranny, there's this Asuka fan who gets mad. Try it, you'll see him light right up.
>>14087745
There are characters you can apply that label to.
But in god's name how do you accomplish that with Asuka?
>>14087776
Just try it. Asuka is such a character, as he's perfectly masculine when it comes to the face.
>>14087779
>Asuka is such a character, as he's perfectly masculine
Yeah so is Bea Athur but no one doubts she's a woman
>>14087776
It's a chronic shitposter who has been trying to force a meme. Ignore and report.
>>14087787
Oh I know, but there's someone who explodes every times he hears it, and it's funny.
See >>14087788
I think that's the guy, notice how he has to post with a new IP every time because he gets banned so often.
>>14087798
Filenames kun you really ought to step off a cliff.
>>14087482
Anno didn't deliver on Rei at all. It's very hard to notice any changes in her character at all throughout the series, especially with her dying and getting replaced with a freshly emotionless clone. She's mostly expressionless throughout the series, and it's hard to tell what changed her (if anything) because she seemed to give a fuck about precisely nothing. I don't agree with the poster above that she was a mere plot device. It seems more like she was there to be cryptic and alien, to represent the mystery the story most resolve and to grant the protagonist ultimate power at the resolution. Kind of like Quon in Rahxephon
Misato's definitely more clear as a character, but yeah, they needed to give some resolution on the whole deal with Kaji. That would have helped out Ritsuko too, with them being supposedly friends
>>14087820
Straight off google, for you.
The one thing you're right about, is that you missed out on Rei's characteror probably pretended it wasn't there for sake of argument
If there was a character Anno delivered on besides Shinji, it was Rei. Rei dying and all that is part of the character, and the freshly emotionless clone isn't as emotionless as you say she is.
She is actually Rei herself embodied in a new clone, and she even cries in that same episode.
So like, man, you just don't remember EVA very well.
Rei has that journey that's usually only reserved for a protagonist, she has her demons, she has her enemy and figure to conquer, and she does it in the end.
She's ensnared and trapped by Gendo, she's forced to live an existence she was never meant for and an existence a human isn't good at tackling, but through introspection, development and bonding with others she managed to reach a level of understanding that finally made her conclude that Gendo was sort of a fag and needed his dick kicked in.
Then she recovers her lost heritage that was robbed from her, and tries to do good unto those who did her good in life.
It's actually fairly good stuff, without being exaggerated since Rei fails and really does act expressionless and weird.
What do you think, did you forget all this or something?
>>14087845
I think that yes, I forgot much of it
I also think that I didn't forget much else about Eva, despite watching it so long ago. I even remember inane shit like Kensuke camping out and discussing being a /k/ommando with Shinji.
Rei was practically the only part of the show that left almost no impression on me at all and I figure that most of the stuff you're mentioning is so subtle that for most people what happens in EoE is gonna look like it came out of left field if they even understand what's going on. Also, I like how in that image you posted, some of her expressions still look blank, and others are cherrypicked from situations where you know she wasn't actually feeling jack shit in context; she was just reacting to physical duress or someone asking her to express.
>>14087866
It's not really subtle or out of field really. You're put through long monologues with Rei talking and she's blushing straight in your face or crying.
It's a complex character that's fairly deep even for EVA, and it might just go over people's head like that.
>Also, I like how in that image you posted, some of her expressions still look blank, and others are cherrypicked from situations where you know she wasn't actually feeling jack shit in context; she was just reacting to physical duress or someone asking her to express.
The point is first and foremost to disprove that Rei isn't capable of expression. Quite clearly she is. She reacts to pain, she feels pain and emits an appropriate expression. She is quite human in that regard.
Then I think you've forgotten the context for most of these anyway. Look at her brows, look how they furrow. Look at the slight smiles, they are there more often than you think.
Then again the majority of them does show clear emotion, clear feeling, be it joy, sadness, tears, it's there.
The problem is actually not Rei, but it's the extreme expressions we're used to with anime. Pick any popular anime revolving around the lives of young children in a school setting, they've all got very exaggerated voices and faces.
Ironically Rei's expressions being low-key only serves making the character more realistic compared to anime characters whose head suddenly grow to twice their size, or their mouths quadruple in size or weird stuff like hearts appear around them..
So if you're autistic or have some sort of problem paying attention, you're pretty much screwed in understanding Rei.
These images can't be cherry-picked because they are examples that prove the presence of something, and so only one image would be enough really. But there's a plenty for you.
Rei is a heavy-weight character than can very well defend her title as poster-girl in the franchise when it comes to NGE. No pandering, just character.
>>14087900
>Ironically Rei's expressions being low-key only serves making the character more realistic compared to anime characters whose head suddenly grow to twice their size, or their mouths quadruple in size or weird stuff like hearts appear around them
Literally no one in NGE is like that and everyone seems to be able to read their emotions fine. Rei doesn't react to many things that normal humans do react to, nor does she typically communicate the way a normal human would (granted, no one in NGE does, but that's more to them having various disorders as opposed to them being inherently almost alien). That's what makes her difficult to read. It makes us call into question her humanity because she's not human herself in mind or body
>>14087927
>Literally no one in NGE is like that and everyone seems to be able to read their emotions fine.
Look at the image I posted. See that floating heart? Things like that. You just don't remember. There's many visual gags in Evangelion like that, particularly in it's first half.
>Rei doesn't react to many things that normal humans do react to, nor does she typically communicate the way a normal human would (granted, no one in NGE does, but that's more to them having various disorders as opposed to them being inherently almost alien).
See, was that so hard? Answered your own question there. Rei's method is different, yet still present.
>That's what makes her difficult to read. It makes us call into question her humanity because she's not human herself in mind or body
Almost. Close but not there.
It makes you not just question whether or not Rei is human, but what it means to be human at all. Hence Rei is tackling a bigger question than you might imagine.
It's revealed in the end that Rei is the archetypical human, the mother of all mankind. Shinji, Asuka, Misato etc.. can be reduced to mere souls or any non-human shape as power wills it, robbing them of all human expression whatsoever.
But you know, if you're a mental twelve-year old only looking at how cute and exaggerated anime faces are, then you might get blinded by the contrast.
Evangelion is anime, and anime does really like it's exaggerated expressions.
Hah, you kids and your coke vs pepsi cartoons.
[anime face cliche intensifies]
>>14087973
>Implying
Every character in Evangelion is a terrible person and I hate them all
To me Rei was never creepy
Just an introverted girl
I don't remember any character being creepy in Evangelion except maybe Gendo and Kaworu
>>14087985
It's not an anime unless everyone is very into themselves.
Like, all Gendo had to do was say some nice things to his kid and buy him a car.
The show is really all about Shinji
Sorry folks
>>14081391
Well.
I know all of Eva's relligious symbolisms are there to look cool but Rei reminds me a lot of Virgin Mary. Her hair being blue and eye's being red is like Byzantine art with blue being human life and red spiritual, divine gifts. The colors of her school uniform and plugsuit match too, and the uniform even looks like some common deciptions.
I see the Virgin in Rei, not with my eyes but with my heart, not as Anno's intention but as an apparition.
So fapping to Rei or waifufagging about her is far off limits.
>>14088340
Seek mental help.
>>14087091
>there are people who actually think that "I'm the worst" is better then "I'm so fucked up:
Rei is based off of the character that created 'moe', Hotaru.
>>14085286
i don't think there's any way the third rebuild could have been good based on watching it.
it would have to be a different movie entirely, with different writers, different art direction, and a different plot jumping off point from the end of the 2nd rebuild
i'm glad gainax ran out of money the first go around desu
>>14087091
>trusting 90's fan translations
/m/ used to be such a nice board until the Eva element moved in back in '96. Now you get drive by waifu fights and thesis length rants on every block.
>>14088101
This is the same series that has Shinji receive basic therapy via the end of the world, so that makes sense.
>>14087950
>not having over the top cartoon expressions means someone is realistic, even if they're doing the anime "..." thing that would just get on people's nerves in real life
You're a fucking idiot.
>>14087973
kek
>>14088521
>thesis
ZANKOKU
>>14088960
>not understanding context
You're not just an idiot, you're borderline retarded
>>14088493
You aren't half wrong, I think you can say Tomoe named moe but it apparently existed since there were otaku or in the 80s.
Why do so many people moe was created by this Sailor Moon character?
Don't be afraid to answer a booklong
>>14089269
Because the poster isn't trying to say anything about Sailor Moon, Hotaru or Rei per se, he's trying to establish that Rei is derivative.
>>14088960
The point being made by the other poster is that Rei's expressions are too subtle for him to notice.
The counterpoint is that Rei's expressions aren't too subtle, but it's rather the norm of cartoon expressions that are exaggerated, eclipsing Rei's more realistic expressions.
>>14081391
If they wanted to make her creepy they've succeeded now.
Those slightly misaligned eyes do the job.
>>14089843
Anno got mad that Rei was more popular, bam, makes Rebuild.
>>14089850
>makes her pokapoka suru
>vanishes from existence moments later
Motherfucker.
>>14089874
Ayup, and not only that he made Asuka into some cutesy waifu who's pretty much the ideal tsundere, who's even doing stuff for others now.
Then in 3.33 he amps that up by sending her to space to fight, gives her super strength or something, and lets her boss everyone else around.
Anno has like, zero integrity left.
>>14089318
Almost everything is a derivative of something.
>>14089892
It's what happens when the creator is a waifufag.
>>14089898
And almost everything is bad. How shocking.
>>14089899
He's not, though. He's trying and succeeding to make money off of waifufags. He himself has an actual wife.
>>14089923
>implying you can't have an actual wife and still be a waifufag
Anno has never grown out of his otaku ways, and he never will.
>>14089936
>Reifags resorting to blasphemy to defend their agenda
>>14081391
Asuka>Rei
>>14089898
>>14089900
Wouldn't agree with the guy that says everything is bad, but it is true that most things are derivative of something else.
So when anon tries to make connections between Hotaru and Rei (don't think there's much of a connection myself), he's doing something rather pointless. People generally do that just to be negative nancies in my experience.
>>14089942
Married for political reasons but his heart is pure.
>>14089951
It's a fact, so you don't need to agree with it.
>negative nancies
Leave and never come back.
>>14089923
Anno most decisively is a waifufag still. Marital status doesn't affect you as a waifufag. Because being a waifufag is more or less just championing a character in what ways you can, including lies, deceit and bragging.
Anno does everything you'd expect a waifufag to do when it comes to communicating with the fandom he's part of.
>>14089960
Shut up Nancy.
>>14089951
I first heard that Rei was influenced from Hotaru from a Rei fansite, and when I went to go watch Sailor Moon myself I instantly saw the resemblance. I saw it with other Eva characters, as well.
It's obviously not a 1:1 because the two characters share many differences, but it's easy to see where Anno got his influence from with Rei (and possibly Gendo from Professor Tomoe as well) considering he's a huge Sailor Moon fan.
>>14089960
I don't really see it as a fact, no.
Also, you're being a real nancy right now.
>>14089977
Sailor Moon is created by his best friend who he based Kawru off of
>>14089983
>Sailor Moon is created
that's a bit of a stretch
>>14089977
Gendo is at least somewhat based off Genzo
>>14089983
The mangaka, Takeuchi?!
>>14089980
Whether you see it as a fact or not is irrelevant. It's like 2+2=4
>>14089988
No, the guy who directed the Anime, Ikuhara. Kaworu is based off of him because Anno is a closet homo.
>>14089977
>I first heard that Rei was influenced from Hotaru from a Rei fansite, and when I went to go watch Sailor Moon myself I instantly saw the resemblance. I saw it with other Eva characters, as well.
A Rei fansite with a user opinion doesn't make something a fact. Not even you seeing the resemblance. I for example, see resemblance between Rei Ayanami and Chirico Cuvie, but I wouldn't claim she's derived from Chirico. I'm not discounting the possibility myself, but the similarities are so far and few in-between that I don't see the point in comparing.
If one wants to consider copying or derivitiy, we need something more powerful and more comparable, like a scene or quote. Then we get to a level where we can compare.
Consider to this effect, Kushana's backstory and Asuka's backstory, which could be classed as plagiarization to some level.
>>14089991
More like 2+2=5.
>>14090001
Be in denial of the fact all you want, won't make it any less true.
>>14089954
>>14089942
>>14089936
>>14089923
Anno has said that his favorite character is Asuka, and he's constantly negative about Rei's popularity.
He's no different from a waifufag.
>>14089996
Considering Anno's history with Sailor Moon and its great influence on Eva, I think its more than a fair comparison to make. Almost every character in Eva is derived from another work/anime, the resemblances have been spotted many times by fans.
You don't have to agree, but you're in the minority on your opinion.
>>14090003
Facts can be presented and ratified, and you can't do that for your claim.
You've got a theory and a speculation at best, but you'd need some strong evidence dated around Rei's creation to really prove it.
>>14089992
Isn't it kind of ironic that the most nonhuman character in the show is based on an actual human?
SOMEBODY POST TEH REI PR0N
>>14090012
Some are influenced more than others, some less. So like I said, it's possible but whether or not it's true, the differences are too great for it to matter.
You are in the minority of your opinion, by the way.
>>14090009
How come Asuka gets so little screen time in Rebuild?
>>14090016
>implying Ikuhara is human
>>14090013
What I'm saying has nothing to do with Rei specifically though
>>14090026
Then we probably agree, maybe.
>>14090024
Not in 3.33
>>14090012
>>14090021
You're both in the minority, obviously.
>>14090021
>Some are influenced more than others, some less.
Of course, that goes without saying.
We'll never find out for sure unless we ask the man himself, but many people have been reminded of Hotaru when seeing Rei and vice versa, which makes the comparison legitimate in itself.
I'm definitely not in the minority.
>>14090030
I think Rei actually gets more screen time then her in it
>>14090009
Because he doesn't consider Rei a character deserving of popularity. He's allowed to have an opinion, that doesn't make him a waifufag.
>>14090030
She shows up for like 20 minutes?
>>14090031
MINORITIES RISE
>>14090034
I don't think you'll get a good answer if you ask Anno himself either. He's hardly reliable on the subject considering his history.
>, but many people have been reminded of Hotaru when seeing Rei and vice versa, which makes the comparison legitimate in itself.
among many other comparisons. The human brain is created to find connections between everything.
We need something concrete like the Kushana/Asuka backstory to get somewhere worthwhile.
>>14090040
Having that opinion really does make him exactly like a waifufag, even if he isn't one.
>>14090048
>moving goalposts
Naicu.
>>14090048
>Kushana
I feel like I should know this, but who?
>>14090040
>>14090036
>>14090030
>>14090024
It's really simple, I've got the answer here.
Asuka had more screentime in NGE, but was far, far less popular. We know popularity is not relative to screentime, it's relative to substance and content.
Asuka only needs enough screentime in Rebuild to establish her as a desirable character, and Rei needs enough screentime to make the character undesirable.
Rebuild will therefore spend a lot of time talking down Rei, even in the characters absence, while relatively little if anything is necessary to make Asuka into a fanservice princess.
Anno abandoned Asuka, the original Asuka character that was a failure because she couldn't beat Rei.
He then rewrote Rei as well into something more base and negative.
>>14090060
From Nausicaa.
It's Anno's favorite character, and he wanted to make an OVA about her but was denied by Miyazaki.
>>14090054
I'm not the other person you were talking to.
>>14090062
Textwall kun your rampant agenda pushing and revisionism never fails to be obnoxious.
>>14090062
Rei is pretty likable in Rebuild though I don't know what you're getting at
>>14090040
>Because he doesn't consider Rei a character deserving of popularity. He's allowed to have an opinion, that doesn't make him a waifufag.
It's opinions that make people waifufags or not. Having that specific opinion in conjunction about being sore about Asuka's lacking popularity is what makes him a waifufag.
Like a waifufag, he doesn't like that other waifus are more popular than his.
>>14090073
She's decisively less likable than the Rei before Rebuild, while Asuka is decisively more likable.
Anno really needs to bring out the big guns to make Rei unlikeable, so that explains why he spends more time on Rei than on Asuka.
>>14090070
What?
>>14090073
I liked her a lot more in NGE. It's not just the character but everything surrounding the character.
In all of Evangelion the character had some direction, and had on par with everyone else connections with some very cool symbolism and cool EVA's. Rei only has that yellow EVA00, which didn't get anything but a pallet rifle in Rebuild. Not even a recolor.
If we look at the SRW games, she actually has less moves and abilities than before, while other characters get more.
It's easy to see how Anno giving Asuka tons of extra equipment, more victories in battle and protection from the baddies makes Asuka more likeable or desirable to the audience.
You don't exactly get a scene where Fuyutsuki goes on about how worthless Asuka is, or how she's not Asuka or similar. You get that for Rei in 3.33.
>>14090067
I see. Now I feel ashamed.
>>14090081
But Rei won the Shinji bowl in rebuild?? Well before 3.33
>>14090081
Where does Mari fit into your conspiracy theory?
>>14090088
Rei doesn't win the Shinji bowl in NGE anon. No one does. So that part doesn't really matter since Rei was extremely pop without that sort of thing.
Then 3.33 cut that short anyway and went all out in humiliating the Rei character, while not touching any other character emotionally, physically or psychologically.
>>14090097
Don't call it a theory because you don't really like what it implies about the franchise, anon.
Mari is simple. She was an addition to the franchise made to spice things up and to break up the flow. But this isn't how the character was used.
The fact is that she was used as a popularity-booster for Asuka. Internally, if you read the CRC after 2.0, she is referred to as the equivalent of Kaworu only to Asuka. Which would mean, as a same-sex shipping alternative.
The drafts of 2.0 reveal that there were many scenes with Asuka pairing them together, and she uses her EVA. In 3.33 they are made a pair and work together, with Mari naming Asuka her princess and whatnot.
Already before 3.0 though, fans were shipping them very, very hard. After 3.33, even more. The manga then came along and revealed that Mari likes girls. Yes, in "that" way.
Mari has been, and was designed as a popularity booster for Asuka, and it worked.
>>14090105
keep going this is gold
>>14090107
There isn't much more to say. The establishment and creation of subtext is the most important thing about hooking a shipping/otaku fanbase.
Consider Free!:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free!_%28anime%29
None of the characters are homosexual or are in a relationship with each other, but this is more or less everything the fans exist around.
>>14090113
so eva ripped off Free?
>>14090116
No, it just follows the standard method for generating a fanbase among shippers.
Lure them in with characters void of substance, don't make a relationship "canon", only create subtext and opportunity. Create a framework for them to relate to and express themselves in.
Then watch the money flow.
In Rebuild's case, Mari is a tool to increase Asuka's popularity.
>>14090105
Note: Mari died on the way back to home planet.
>>14085286
>2011 earthquake ruined 3.33
>2011 earthquake shut down Disaster Report 3
Fuck you nature
>>14090121
oh so Mari is from Asuka
>>14088521
>>14088966
>>14090124
God yes
>>14090036
She has more screentime in Rebuild, but it's the type of screentime that matters.
Like how Trump spends 95% of his time talking about how bad things are, how bad the opposition is and only 5% to talking about how it should be solved.
Im not singling out Trump here because the rest do it too.
>>14089944
Rei>Asuka
>>14090187
That is a no.
>>14090268
Butthurt Asukafag detected.
>>14090285
Butthurt Reifag detected.
>>14089898
t. J. Tinianov
>>14090403
Fuck off with your shitposting.
>>14090425
Am I supposed to know who that random spic is?
>>14090098
>Rei doesn't win the Shinji bowl in NGE anon. No one does.
>>14091475
Kaworu status: DEAD
>>>/y/
>>14091483
>yui didn't win the Gendobowl
>kaji didn't win the misatobowl
>smith didn't win the norikobowl
>kaworu didn't win the shinjibowl
ayy
>>14091487
>>>/y/
>>>/cm/
It's sad that shipping is the only form of communication you degenerates have.
>>14091504
>no rebuttal
hurf durf
>>14091483
And Shinji still chose him over Rei and Asuka.
This is clearly some ebin destruction of the classic harem genre, sasuga Anno.
>>14091487
>shipping
Reported
>>14091627
That's not shipping, that's just stating canon relationships in the show.
>>14091659
I think the fact that they're canon is what is upsetting him
>>14091487
>yui didn't win the Gendobowl
What? More like Gendo didn't win the Yuibowl
>>14091794
Yui won the Gendobowl but she didn't particularly want it. She used it to fulfill her plans.
>>14091507
>>14091548
>implying you had a something to rebuke to begin with
Homosex delusion doesn't need to be countered with anything except
>>>/y/
Kaworu ends up dead, and Shinji doesn't hook up with anyone. It's quite frankly not even the point of Evangelion either, you deluded landwhales.
>>14092017
More like you can't counter with anything because the creator of the show himself proves you wrong.
Shinji doesn't need to hook up with anyone to have his 'bowl' won. Being dead doesn't matter, just look at any of the examples here >>14091487
Shinji loving Kaworu is an important part of his character, and the show, to deny that is to deny Evangelion you deluded neckbeard.
>>14092032
Yeah, no. I think
>>>/y/
is where you need to buzz off to.
For any "bowl" to be won, there has to be a hookup. Any given normal person will have more than on relationship in their lives, so just because you want to have your delusional homo fantasy with Shinji and Kaworu, it doesn't mean they hook up or get together.
Kaworu is dead, Shinji moves on, welcome to Evangelion where you don't get your gay pandering because gay is dead. Shinji professes his love for Asuka as well over the course of the next movie, and even though he literally ends up with her on a beach, it doesn't mean any bowls were won.
Shinji is not in a relationship by the end of the story, and that is by design to spite disgusting landwhales such as yourself.
>>>/y/
>>>/cm/
>>>/outtahere/
>>14092049
Haha, oh man.
Please keep crying that Shinji will never love your waifu. His bowl was won, and his bowl remains won in EoE in case you forgot the scene where he recognizes Kaworu as love itself in his heart.
He never says he loves anyone else, he only treats them as fapping fuel to choke and trash when he's done with them, Asuka can tell you that first hand herself.
>>14092032
Becoming a couple by the end is literally what winning the shimji bowl means.
Hint; EVA isnt a harem series where that happens.
>>14092065
Man, you kaworufags aure are butthurt that your only reason for existing is shipping.
Go back to your fanfics. No bowl was won you delusional idiot No couples.
>>14092086
>>14092092
No, just like how Yui won the Gendobowl and Kaji won the Misatobowl despite both of them dying, Kaworu won the Shinjibowl by being the one Shinji romantically loves.
Eva isn't a harem, but notice how each of these three love interests of these main characters are presented, portrayed in similar ways. They even all die.
Eva isn't about happy endings, but Misato moves on with Kaji's love within her heart, not forgetting it. Shinji moves on (refusing instrumentality) with Kaworu in his heart representing love and Rei in his heart representing hope. He doesn't forget them, he lives on with them.
Your missing out on a huge chunk of Eva if you didn't pick up on this.
You can cry about shipping all you want because Kaworu happening to be a guy triggers you, but this is just mere discourse on themes presented in Eva. I'm sorry it makes you so angry.
>>14092017
>>14092049
Holy shit, how mad were you fags when you watched episode 24 for the first time?
This is comedy gold.
>>14092086
Eva is a destruction of the harem genre by making MC go gay route.
Truly Anno is the master.
>>14092186
but in EoE he picks Asuka and in the show he only picks Kaworu because everyone left him
>>14090098
I don't see how 3.33 ruins Rei since she's acting like if Rei III never had any contact with anyone besides Gendo
>>14092099
>>14092132
You can cry about how Kaworu won the Shinjibowl all you want, but the fact remains that he didn't. He died, and he was long gone. They don't hook up, don't end up together and no one wins any Shinjibowl.
You're missing out on a huge chunk of EVA if you dumb it down to being about winning Shinjibowls, you're degenerate waifufags who are a disgrace to the fanbase.
There is no Shinjibowl or even any victors of said bowl. Evangelion isn't about settling on a waifu or getting a waifu, it's about life and it's difficulties.
Not to satisfy your homo pandering, which is why Kaworu is designated an enemy and killed.
>>14093073
3.33 ruins Rei because Rei is no longer Rei. So she isn't just out of character for Rei, she's also not Rei at all. That ruins Rei's character because Rei III was pivotal to Rei's character, and due to this replacement Rei II never gets worthwhile development.
Mogudan
>>14093381
What? Rei II gets a lot of development in 2.22 and Rei Q gets development in 3.33. It's actually kind of hinted at the Rei Q isn't the Rei that came after Rei II
>>14093389
>What? Rei II gets a lot of development in 2.22 and Rei Q gets development in 3.33.
Not enough.
>>14093389
>What? Rei II gets a lot of development in 2.22 and Rei Q gets development in 3.33.
There's the problem, Rei gets development in 1.11, and 2.22, but nowhere near the development the original had, for no good reason.
Because if they're going to reuse the ep 23 plot with Rei dying and transitioning into Rei III, they might as well have made Rei Q actually be Rei. But they made it a different character instead, and that's how you break the Rei character entirely.
>>14093393
>>14093398
Well yeah you can't fit 26 episodes of character development into 3 movies.
Maybe Rei Q is different since she's grown under different circumstances? We have no idea what she's gone through over the 14 year time skip. Rei II isn't dead yet though she's just currently in the core of unit 01 which is possible to leave.
>>14093389
Here you go.
2.22 made a series of changes in Rei's development, which will never be finished due to 3.33.
I seriously don't know how you people can tell Reis apart.
>>14093407
>Well yeah you can't fit 26 episodes of character development into 3 movies.
You can fit enough to develop the main characters properly. 3.33 didn't even try, like you said, 1.11 and 2.22 did well enough.
>>14093407
>Well yeah you can't fit 26 episodes of character development into 3 movies.
You definitely can, because 1.11 and 2.22 were progressing just fine. We also have four movies, not 3.
It's especially true for Rei after seeing 3.33, since they used the same story structure 23 did, or similar enough that it could be used.
>Rei "dies"
>Shinji is sad, but then finds Rei again
>Except now Rei is different and they can't connect like before, separating them
That describes both 3.33 and 23, except for that in 3.33 Rei is another character entirely. Because they wrote out Rei and wrote in a clone.
>>14093410
It's called not having autism. You have my condolences, manchild.
>>14093409
That picture forgets that rebuild Rei is also a hybrid of Human and Angel as shown in 2.22.
Rei's character development can be finished in 3.0 +1.0 since Rei II is basically in stasis until they get her out of unit 01
>>14093410
Well in NGE you could tell because you know, they died and in Rebuild they were different clothing
>>14093418
>he says while he is a manchild
>>14093428
Shut up manboy.
>>14093421
>That picture forgets that rebuild Rei is also a hybrid of Human and Angel as shown in 2.22.
Not in the same way as before, and it doesn't matter to the character any more either.
>Rei's character development can be finished in 3.0 +1.0 since Rei II is basically in stasis until they get her out of unit 01
No, it can't. Because one movie isn't nearly enough to finish up Rei's character. Not only that, it won't be a working Rei character, it's only a degraded worthless piece of shit compared to NGE.
>>14093437
Man chill out
>>14093431
You first, manboy.
>>14093445
I'm chill. Point stands, 3.33 killed Rei deeply.
