Why were there only x-wings in tfa?
Because there were only X-Wings in ANH.
>>14070418
but thats not true at all.
>>14070384
cause JJ a hack
and I guess because the "New Republic Fleet" got destroyed at least in that sector
>>14070429
No one gave a shit about those three or four Y-Wings.
>I didn't pay attention to the lore
those are resistance T-70s anon. Not Republic. Literally hand me downs. They have nothing else and built some of them from salvage. The Republic has even NEWER X-Wings.
>>14070449
I did
I always did
>>14070449
>y wing guys didn't use their turret thing to shoot down the TIE Fighters behind them in the trench run bit
still baffles me
>>14070487
I only remember them from the old X-Wing game but weren't those ion cannons weak as hell and only good for disabling systems?
>Fucking 30+ years pass in-universe
>They're STILL using X-Wings
This is fucking baffling. I don't care if Abrams was all about "muh iconic", at least give them SOME kind of visible upgrade.
It would be like the US Air Force flying P-51s in the Gulf War.
>>14070499
they were good for trolling other pilots in multiplayer
>>14070503
What do you mean still? The Repubs are rocking T-75's at this point. The shit the rebels are flying in TFA are reconstructed surplus.
I imagine they retired a lot of attack craft with the Empire defeated and no big war going on and the First Order fleet building in secret.
>>14070503
This is the same movie where people consider the events from 30 years ago myths and folklore, so...
>>14070503
You are now aware the F-15 is 40 years old
and they're all decrepit and falling apart
>>14070503
>Fucking 30+ years pass in Central-East Europe
>They're STILL using MiG-21s
This is fucking baffling.
>>14070522
The Y-Wings are straight the hell up Clone Wars surplus anyway.
>>14070530
I mean they were in the Outer Rim, where parents drop off their children at junk hoarding food vendors
>>14070449
>cuz there aren't any Y-Wings in A New Hope
>yes there are
>Y-yeah w-well, nobody c-cares about them...
>>14070534
But MiG-21s are GOAT. X-Wings are bantha fodder.
>>14070554
>reduced to cannon fodder in Rebels
![japanese-f4-phantom[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UFE4kGW.jpg "japanese-f4-phantom[1].jpg")
>>14070503
>>14070534
>Fucking 30+ years pass in Japan
>They're STILL using F-4 Phantoms
>>14070536
Yeah but the B-wings weren't.
>>14070664
Japan's military has budget capped at 1% gdp.
It makes no sense, why wouldn't you bring some Y-wings for superior payload to pummel the target? Also it's going to be swarming with TIE's, but let's not bring any interceptors to play the wing.
>>14070503
>some kind of visible upgrade
which...they did? Anon are you sleepy
Brand
Name
Recognition
Mother fucker
>>14070715
>Implying that you can't have ships besides the most iconic one. FFS RotJ had 3 different Rebel Fighters besides the X-wing. Honestly what confuses me about the decision to only have the X-wing is less the requirements of the Resistance and more of why an entry in a Franchise designed to sell Toys did they miss an opportunity to shoehorn more ships to be made as toys.
>>14070436
However the new republic fleet wasn't supporting the Resistance with their in service hardware. >>14070457
This. They just got some of the hand me downs.
>>14070693
IIRC it went "the B-wing was a mistake" in the lore
>>14070556
What are A-wings doing in rebels?
>>14070747
Dying regularly to show someone is a threat. They'er the mooks of the rebellion.
>B-But we used F-15s for forty years!
Newsflash: We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about a world in which we go from Venators to Imperial star Destroyers within less than fifteen years. Even during the GCW the Rebels had ships and fighters that were just recently invented like the X-Wing and B-Wing. Neither of those were hand me downs like the T-70s in TFA and the Rebels didn't even have Republic backing like the Resistance.
>>14070765
Also a world where shit like the falcon and the slave II hang around for fucking ages.
>>14070769
Those aren't military hardware.
>>14070487
I think the explanation given in some side material boiled down to "The turret controls are wonky, so they usually have them locked in the forward position as additional firepower" or something like that.
And on the topic of nothing but X-Wings in TFA. Remember the pictures of those other designs that got leaked? We should be glad those didn't make it.
>>14070765
why is everyone acting like the t-70 isnt an upgrade.
It's a new design, and there just happen to be even newer things in the new republic fleet that we didnt get to see
>>14070794
maybe you should get good taste
>>14070806
>It's a new design
It isn't new at all. It's an unused McQuarrie design from ANH.
>>14070384
The Resistance is poor. I think in episode 8, they will get a few B Wing Mark-IIs, T-85s and others, but not in huge quantities. They like to dish out new fighters slowly to keep merchandising going.
This is the Char's Counter Attack of ZZ Gundam of Star Wars, where they make the good guys the underdog again but cancelling out the growth they've achieved from past victories.
>>14070806
because like the rest of the movie it just reeks of lazieness
Resistance warhammer scene? nope enjoy watching a rehash of the endor landbattle but with snow
>>14070794
a lot of those leaked designs were fuckin rad, though
>>14070814
>The Resistance is poor
So were the Rebels.
>>14070384
Preferably, a set of designs should last at least decade. In a state of ongoing war, it may be a bit more rapid, like Nazi Germany and Zeon.
The ones from pre-GN 00 and Gundam IBO tend to have lasted quite a while.
>>14070810
how is that bad
>>14070825
Monotony may be a positive thing for you, but that's not what this conversation is about. He said it was a new design, and I'm just saying that it isn't.
>>14070810
we're talking in-universe, you sperg
>>14070821
They had entire systems and planets backing them. The Mon Calamari practically donated their entire capital fleet.
>>14070833
>T-70
Sounds new to me.
and I'd rather have a reused concept piece from the original that some new shit because chances are, it will be just that. Shit.
>>14070835
>They had entire systems and planets backing them
So do the Resistance.
>>14070841
I bet you have an Iphone
>>14070847
Nowhere near as totally and openly. The only aircraft they have are literally just those two wings of outdated and obsolete T-70s the Republic delivered in parts form.
>>14070863
S6. Why would I want lead fighters that aren't X-Wings in a star wars film? Look at what we got with Gundam AUs, the mecha look nothing like the predecessors to the point the only recognizable feature in the show is the fucking V-fins and parade colors.
I'm looking squarely at the fucking Flags.
>>14070887
>parts
no multi vector assault mode X Wings, gey
>>14070503
>Fucking 30+ years pass in the real world
>Western nations are still using the F-16
>Baffled
>>14070384
Cause its the koolest
>>14070893
>Why would I want lead fighters that aren't X-Wings in a star wars film?
Because TIEs are superior.
>>14071016
>Star Wars
>Real world
Pick one.
>>14071035
>autism
forced on you, so you are forgiven anon
>>14070747
In Rebels, the A-Wing is the fledgling Rebellion's workhorse.
In fact, it's their sole starfighter. Their fleet consists of the Ghost and the Phantom, a couple Correllian Corvettes, 3 Hammerhead-class corvettes, an Imperial carrier ship, and a bunch of A-Wings.
>>14071045
Well that's fucked, where are all the Headhunters?
>>14071051
New canon, my man. Also, the fucking B-Wing has shown up already as a prototype made by some no name Mon Calamari.
>>14071058
Yeah, But it was able to decimate a star destroyer.
>>14070429
Oh right, the X-Wings and Target Practice-Wings.
>>14071625
It didn't though, because that wasn't a Star Destroyer of any kind. It was an Imperial Light Cruiser.
>>14071625
It was more of a heavy frigate/light cruiser. Nothing to scuff at but not an SD by any means
>>14070817
That's literally just a box.
Why are they called the resistance when they're part of the the dominant faction?
Because the Resistance was short on cash. Standardization is cheaper in the long run.
>>14072033
that's what confused me at first and the movie didn't make the faction relationship clear, the resistance isn't part of the republic, they're a splinter group formed in the outer rims to deal with the first order secretly backed by the republic.
in that area of the galaxy they're not the dominant faction
>>14070503
You do realize the Millennium Falcon is over a hundred years old by the time of TFA and is still considered one the fastest known ships in the fucking universe, right?
Technology and the passage of time don't always match up in this series.
>>14072072
Wait, what? The Rebellion won and put in power a government that supported the remnants of the Empire?
>>14072259
No, the OG Rebellion, now the New Republic, refuses to believe the First Order are anything but a small band of fanatics that couldn't possibly pose a threat to galactic stability. Leia thinks different, simply put the Republic is pretending the problem doesn't exist. The novel and presumably the deleted scenes, make this very clear.
>>14072289
Internal affairs become more important than external affairs once your inner circle becomes more complicated.
>>14072298
Until the external affairs break out warships better than yours, your fleet is at a fraction of the strength it could have, and lost your capital in a sucker punch to send all sucker punches
>>14070814
shouldn't the "Resistance" already be a fucking government itself? the so called "empire" is already on the run in the fucking outer rim, that does not make fucking sense
>>14070534
And F-16. Don't forget Falcons.
>>14070742
Wasn't Leia's shuttle re-purposed B-wing?
>>14070817
Is that guy on the ship bragging about having the high ground?
If we want a film reason: I'm guessing because it's New Star Wars, people wanted to see 'X Wings' and 'TIE Fighters'. They probably don't want to front load a bunch of designs to complicate things.
Next movie they'll hopefully do like the original trilogy, up the ante with more new ship designs.
>>14070664
>cockpit open on the runway because the AC doesn't work.
It looks sexier anyway
>>14072917
>Implying it won't just be Snowspeeder and AT-AT redesigns
>>14070384
Because TFA was an unambitious piece of crap.
It's the Gundam Unicorn of Star Wars.
>>14073085
Unicorn at least had good mechanical design.
>>14073085
>It's the Gundam Unicorn of Star Wars.
I've been looking for a statement that sums up everything wrong with TFA in one sentence and this is it. I don't think anything else could put it better.
>>14070503
The F-15 was introduced in 1976, there are still people using the MiG-21 which is 60+ year old fighter,
>>14072033
they are the muhajdeed to the Empire's Soviet Union
>>14075016
Those things look like interstellar raper vans.
>>14074995
Remind me again how half of a turbine serves any function.
>>14075120
By not existing? It's not a turbine, the picture doesn't list it as one and linking to it to ask the question is silly. It's listed as a thruster or gyro, not a turbine.
Because for some reason, the New Republic decided not to continue fighting Space Nazis.
>>14075170
Well they didn't think it would be a problem anymore after signing the space Versailles Treaty
>>14072322
They are, or rather they were. The Resistance is basically a black ops unit of the New Republic created to keep tabs/carry out operations against the First Order, which was a splinter group from the Empire.
From what I understand, both the Empire and Republic are locked in a Cold War of sorts where neither side is allowed to attack the other because of the treaty. So you have extremist factions on both sides unofficially supported the government.
>>14075280
*supported by
>>14074995
>Keep reading Poe's personal X-Wing is Black and Gold
>It's clearly Black and Orange in all but ONE picture for some toy or something
Merchandising only.
Since unlike the first Star Wars way back they knew this was gonna be a merchandising monster they only had X-Wings and Tie's this film so they only would make toys for those.
Next film they'll have other ships and can then make toys for that. Otherwise they'd have to keep releasing the same stuff every year.
>>14075192
>>14075170
They basically Neville Chamberlain'ed the fuck out of that Peace Concordance and believed the Imperials would keep their word.
>>14070503
Understand that the SW universe has been in a state of technological stasis for like 5,000 years. They reached their peak at the end of the Great Hyperspace War, everything from that point has been tiny improvements. What would be the big improvement in 30 years? No really, even the EU before it was made Legacy made it pretty clear people were still using X-Wings for like 80 more years.
>>14070487
You needed an after-market add-on to make the turret 360 degrees, plus you would need a dedicated gunner and they didn't have enough pilots in ANH to have gunners.
>>14075696
>Understand that the SW universe has been in a state of technological stasis for like 5,000 years
That's an EU invention. The movies paint a different picture.
>>14075784
>The movies paint a different picture.
Except they don't. The X-Wing is BARELY an improvement over the ARC-170 Starfighter, which is barely an improvement over the Z-95 Headhunter.
And I should note the X-Wings of TFA are newer T-70 models, not the T-65B that was used in the original trilogy.
>>14075826
>Except they don't.
Who the fuck are you trying to kid? There very few things from the OT that show up in the PT. That's obvious technological progression right there.
>Z-95 Headhunter.
What part of "the movies" did you not understand?
>>14075836
>What part of "the movies" did you not understand?
Yeah they called it the Z-95 Clone fighter instead, but it's the same shit aside from having wider wings
>>14075842
>TV show
Jesus Christ, do I have to say it again? Even if you count TCW it still proves my point that technology isn't stagnant in Star Wars.
>>14075848
>Jesus Christ, do I have to say it again?
It's listed as canon. That's the criteria we're going for, right? Because otherwise why do we ONLY bring the movies into this?
>it still proves my point that technology isn't stagnant in Star Wars
Rebels just recently made KotoR 2 more or less canon, which means the galaxy has been that way for a long time.
>>14075855
>Rebels just recently made KotoR 2 more or less canon
They made hammerheads and malachor canon. That doesn't make KotoR canon. Just those two things. Legends material is apocryphal until explicitly stated otherwise, and two specific elements don't make an entire work canon again. We've seen old things in TCW and Rebels and they're still very different from the things we see in the movies.
>>14075863
>They made hammerheads and malachor canon.
And you know, the specific temple that had to do with the weapon the Exile use against the Mandalorians, which does the same thing in Rebels.
>>14075863
>We've seen old things in TCW and Rebels and they're still very different from the things we see in the movies.
Not him but that's for the better because quite frankly the movies suck in their depiction of the universe. Remember if we went by only the movies, there are only 2 sides in the universe: very very good and very very bad, and everyone belongs to one of these sides. Anyone that tries to stay neutral (like Lando) is eventually forced to pick a side. That is the morality that exists in the galaxy as Lucas sees it.
>>14075863
it's this logic of X exist in Y, X also exist in Z therefore Y is canon to Z, and the inability to understand that you can pick and choose lore elements from past works without being part of the same continuity.
>>14075885
That's exactly what I was saying.
>>14075885
>and the inability to understand that you can pick and choose lore elements from past works without being part of the same continuity.
Think about it like the bible, and I bring that up specifically because that's where the obsession with canon in western culture started. For over 2000 years society has fought and even killed each other over whether the idea of "if this is applicable, then EVERYTHING related it it is applicable" is true on even the most minor things. This has been ground down into society to such a level that it permeates the subconcious. And that's before you get into people like literalists.
It is not unreasonable for people to assume that if you take things from a previous work as canon, then the work it comes from is canon.
>>14075919
>It is not unreasonable for people to assume that if you take things from a previous work as canon, then the work it comes from is canon.
It's very unreasonable and so is a Bible comparison. The Bible is loosely based on heavily exaggerated accounts of real world events. Something being canon to that means in some way that it happened in the real world. Star Wars isn't like that. It's fiction. None of it ever happened in reality, so when you want to say what did and didn't happen in this world, you can take whatever you want from some other account without taking anything else from where you got it. This means locations and vehicles from KotoR can exist in the reality of canon without anything else from those games existing. Because it's all fictional, it's not a package deal. If these were based on real stories, it would be. But they're not. So if the Lucas story group says "W and X from Y exist in Z but the whole of Y itself doesn't" they're correct, because fictional worlds are modular things.
>>14070462
me too, man
me too...
>>14075959
>The Bible is loosely based on heavily exaggerated accounts
That kinda defeats the purpose of it being the literal word of God.
>>14075978
That's a tangent I'm not going on, but the fact remains that everything described in the bible is supposed to have happened in the real world, so it's incomparable to the constructed reality of Star Wars.
They should have just left the EU alone. Then the most flak it would ever get was that most of it was truthfully really stupid and basically officially endorsed fanfiction.
>>14076000
No, people just shouldn't use "lol not canon" when people ever bring up the EU in relation to anything. Because they aren't saying it to say "it's not canon so it doesn't count", because at least that would be truthful. They're saying it to say "it's not canon so it's shit", which the prequels showed that being canon has no bearing on.
>>14075962
>This design is like two-thirds engine.
>It's the slowest fighter in the movies by far.
Fuck that shit.
>>14076024
It doesn't mean they're good engines
>>14070821
>>14072322
Yeah why exactly is there a "resistance"?
And why does the first order have enough money to do a full stormtrooper armor refresh, build a new death star thing, tweak their starfleet, and start a new captive recruitment and cloning (?) program? I understand that the Empire had a lot of money, but the emperor was dead for THIRTY years, which should be enough to present a noticeable decline in finding.
>>14070384
Maybe they forgot Y-Wings exist.
>going on a bombing mission
>have no bombers
>>14076475
They still control entire planets.
I mean this about all the money on earth. Then multiply that 100 times over. A death star isn't unfeasible if you keep it up.
>>14075154
>Fingerprint scan
This feels very un-Star Wars.
>>14076047
Eu explained they were easy to maintain on the budget and where redundant in design, allowing for higher survaibility in combat and being less of primadonna like Awing's propulsion.which are also a design that is mostlye engines with cockpit strapped in.
>>14076521
Meta explaination, concentrate on one cool design and milk it before next movie and it's Merchandise comes.
In universe, no budget for anything else and F_35 mentality in making new Xwing tmfit multiple roles at once. It does have impressive munition storage for torpedoes and stuff.
>>14076765
Old EU was full of it.
>>14076475
Same way nazis did it? We do not know enough about situation as a whole to say anything constructive here. Yet.
>>14076000
Again, old EU is a goldmine for new eu right now. And anything that new canon will do will also be a rehash of old, as pretty much everything was done in old books and games. How it will be done ison ly question worth asking. Also, will new not¡THRAWN still be blue.
>>14076521
i dont remember a Y wing blowing up a deathstar
>>14076822
>Again, old EU is a goldmine for new eu right now. And anything that new canon will do will also be a rehash of old, as pretty much everything was done in old books and games.
In fairness, the kotor/swtor all that stuff is SO far into the past that it being canon is irrelevant. Whether it happens or not, none of it affects anything else in the timeline (though that wouldn't have been the case had they followed through with that Clone Wars episode that would've implied Anakin was descended from Revan)
>>14076024
isnt it heavily armored?
>>14076832
It would have if Luke Skywalker had been in one.
>>14070721
>>Implying that you can't have ships besides the most iconic one
Yes, that's exactly what we're implying. TFA was the blandest safest movie ever created.
>>14076896
Considering what happened before you can infer that this was an executive order to make it that way.
That or JJ was simply making his own "Special Edition" version of Episode IV.
>>14076909
The PT set the bar so incredibly low the only thing TFA tried to do was be better than that.
>>14076836
>though that wouldn't have been the case had they followed through with that Clone Wars episode that would've implied Anakin was descended from Revan
I thought Anakin was born by Palpatine and Plagueis raping the force?
>>14076909
>That or JJ was simply making his own "Special Edition" version of Episode IV.
Given how he handled Star Trek, this is likely.
>>14076938
He was, that's why the Clone Wars team decided not to bring in Revan.
>>14076935
I can't decide if the truest praise for this movie isn't simply "well, it was better than the prequel trilogy"
>>14076948
>Given how he handled Star Trek
I'm still mad about that.
>>14070522
Now this is backwards podracing!
>>14070530
A New Hope?
>>14075978
>literal word of god
Only protestant fundies believe this. Otherwise, its a Muslim thing. Look it up. Koran being a Perfect infalliable document is one of the things that makes islam unique
>>14072120
>You do realize the Millennium Falcon is over a hundred years old by the time of TFA and is still considered one the fastest known ships in the fucking universe, right?
You also realize it was kind of a junker and functioned primarily as a smuggling ship, right?
>>14076990
Which is funny considering their own religion documents that they didn't write a single word of their shit down until Mohammed died and then they went "....SHIT, we gotta work fast or we'll forget things" and then basically scrambling to jot it all down.
>>14076965
>That last guy already three frames into tumbling and dropping his blaster when he's hit
>>14077000
And is still one of the fastest crafts in hyper.
>>14076896
I honestly preferred the prequels. They're shutting directed but there is something new to all about them, and it's a very ambitious story.
TFA is a mess even when doing the stalest cliche of all time. And Rey is a literal piece of cardboard hero
>>14077193
Prequels had the problem of bad actors, Jar Jar, and being compared to the original trilogy.
TFA had the problem of trying to be the original trilogy.
>>14070544
>planefu is Mig-25
>Almost completely out of service everywhere in the world
my life is suffering
Mikoyan-Gurevich is the mother of all planefu creators though.
>>14073076
Honestly, if they did that I'd be so fuckinginterested in seeing a modern reinterpretation of the AT-AT design
IRL tech is rapidly advancing
Star Wars tech is maxed out bar retarded superweapons
>>14075192
>Backed by a centralized government
>Still called The Resistance
???????????
>>14081122
I feel like the only reason anyone designs new military equipment in star wars is to adapt to shifts in the meta of warfare. So long as you're fighting the same shit there's basically a single optimal approach and you can't realistically upgrade once you have the highest attainable production quality.
>>14081315
They wanted to have a (not)Rebellion group to shoot down the (not)Death Star
Honestly they probably should have just made the rebellion lose the galactic civil war after Endor.
>>14081449
They didn't want to belittle the events of the first film or imply that the characters in it weren't successful (at least, within those films) most likely.
>>14081343
Easiest to notice with hyperdrives and energy weapons output. In old EU beyond Maw superweapons and Yuuzhans, who solved usual problems in their own way there was no real change in tech base eighter. Hell, counter to Vongs was simple stutter fire mostly.
>>14071716
nah, anon, it's a box with STYLE
too bad the show is apparently shit
>>14072289
I know less is more when you're being careful about audience response, but man alive, I can't help but think that most of these deleted scenes would have answered everyone's annoying nitpicks
>>14081515
That's like saying the Millennium Falcon is just a disc.
>>14073085
I wouldn't say it was a piece of crap
Didn't push boundaries, but it was certainly a good moviejust that opening TIE escape was cool enough for me desu
>>14075120
it's not a turbine
>>14081518
Most of the nitpicking didn't have to do with the resistance.
>>14075037
WE'RE ON A BUDGET
>>14081343
Dingding. That's exactly what it is.
>>14071045
But A- and B- were supposed to be the successor models to X- and Y-.
>>14076948
hey, the first JJtrek was pretty good, anon
Definitely a tighter and less shitty movie than the odd-numbered (i forget) trek movies
>>14081523
exactly
>>14081548
yeah. Star Wars is a post-everything world.
AI is common and frankly treated like trash, FTL is more or less trivial, megastructure engineering is achievable over and over, etc etc
It's kinda neat, like the scifi end of the stagnation spectrum that you would find in a fantasy series
>>14081343
unknown regions rising when?
>>14081474
>Another Death Star
>I wish!
>Luke's academy ALL DEAD
they did, they just wanted to make profit off of the belittlement to
>>14081631
That is the first order >>14075192.
Also don't expect competent antagonists in the new trilogy.
>>14081654
>Unknown regions
>no Chiss mas'terr'ace
Gay
>>14081551
>But A- and B- were supposed to be the successor models to X- and Y-.
Jettisoned along with the rest of the old EU.
How is this still news to people?
New lore is the A-Wing is a Kuat design, likely a descendant of the Eta-2 (and by extension, the Delta-7) and possibly a rejected competitor to the TIE. At some point the X-Wing becomes the workhorse and the rebels strip out the A-Wing's heavier weapons and reduce its shield cappacity to turn it into a dedicated interceptor in time for Endor.
The B-Wing prototype was built by a Mon Calamari mad scientist before the Battle of Yavin.
X-Wing's have yet to appear in Rebels, but I'm hoping if they do it's a multi-part epic where they steal the plans.
>>14081695
If that means an episode (or arc) based on the Kuat Drive Yards then I'm all for it.
>>14070557
B-Wings are my Star Wars fighterfu
>>14081654
Snoke is a competent antagonist, anon
>>14081774
Gyroscopic cockpits a great
>>14081695
Wouldn't they need to introduce Y-wings first? Since those were the old work horse of the Rebellion in A New Hope. They were in the prequel trilogy as new ships if I recall?
>>14077000
It did but it was also insanely fast and manuevrable, on the level of fighters. Hence why it was leading the charge at the Battle of Endor.
>>14072120
>Technology and the passage of time don't always match up in this series.
Star Wars tech is mostly stagnant. They haven't had a serious tech breakthrough in thousand's of years. I guess once you hit laser weapons and faster than light space travel there's not much more you can do.
>>14081955
and sexbots
>>14081796
Snoke hasn't done anything to make him look competent.
So far he has lost an even larger superweapon while having less resources than the old empire.
Beyond that his apprentice got beaten by a wookie and some random chick.
>>14081569
>buff as fuck hutt jedi-hunter
Star wars you so crazy
>>14082326
Why wouldn't they just mass produce those.
>>14082338
They probably did.
>>14082338
They also upscaled it.
>>14082307
There was a Hutt X-Wing pilot at one point too.
>>14070534
More like 50 years later, that design is ancient.
>>14081906
In Rebels Recon they stated that the Phantom Crew's cell is distinct from Leia's cell who fought in the battle of Yavin; hence the different equipment. The Rebellion at this point in the timeline isn't unified, more like a bunch of seperate insurgent groups with similar goals, but no unified command structure.
The Battle of Endor had a bunch of different cells operating in concert.
>>14082326
This scale is fucking me up. The B-wing was a fighter and so pretty small right? But it strafes and destroys what looks like a frigate/corvette-sized ship, which looks barely bigger than it.
Then finally the three rebellion ships - which look like and so I assume are about the size of the frigate from the opening of A New Hope - are shown to be SMALLER than the ship the B-Wing just blew the fuck up.
Is the B-Wing just really fucking close and the ship it's strafing really far away?
Either way that B-Wing must be fuckoff-powerful.
>>14082592
>which looks barely bigger than it
Do you have an extra chromosome?
>>14082592
The B-Wing is a fairly large starfighter, and in that picture it is also in the foreground.
The Venator class capital ship is also fairly small anyway, though it is bigger than a CR-90.
That B-Wing is defo fuck off powerful, as it is a prototype ship using a prototype weapon. The prototype weapon had flaws that were demonstrated in that episode, which is why it didn't go into mass production with the big laser, but instead relied on a boat load of standard torpedoes.
>>14070693
B-Wings are ugly shit though
>>14082592
> This scale is fucking me up. The B-wing was a fighter and so pretty small right? But it strafes and destroys what looks like a frigate/corvette-sized ship, which looks barely bigger than it.
> looks barely bigger than it
It's only a few times bigger than the side hatch visible on the light cruiser it's attacking.
>>14077367
>>14077193
I will say that the PTs at least TRIED something. It failed spectacularly but it at least TRIED.
>>14082684
Heathen!
>>14082403
Way less outlandish, and i forgot to mention that one of the lightsabers is obviously the top section of a recorder
>>14082829
Well I wasn't trying to say it was more outlandish, only that it exists. And that it's fun.
>>14082696
PT were fine.
>>14082873
Noooooooooooo no they weren't.
>>14070384
Legitimate reason: The X-Wing became the symbol of the Rebellion against the Empire, as it was present and heavily involved with the destruction of TWO Death Stars. Hence why it got a remodeled upgrade and the other fighters didn't. So, the Resistance, being a group that has to show they're of the same caliber while also not representing the actual Republic used these designs.
At least, that's what makes sense to me.
>>14070457
>>I didn't pay attention to the lore
Kinda hard to pay attention to the lore when they decided EU was non-canon
>>14081555
>pretty good.
No it wasn't. It was just less shit than its sequel.
It may have seemed all right at first, but once you know what it lead to all its flaws are all the more glaring. The reducing layered characters to caricatures of their original selves. Blatant throwing of established Trek stuff completely out the window wherever it suits them (the utterly retarded ship sizes being just one of many examples). The removal of all of what actually made Star Trek unique in favor of using the trappings to dress up what is at best a mediocre and generic Sci-Fi movie to try to make it just palatable enough to the fans that they don't boycott it en masse.
JJ took Star Trek, gutted it completely, and stretched its skin over some generic garbage movie that threw away all semblance of depth or complexity in order to get non-fans to pay attention to it. And until Into Darkness shattered our delusions that the franchise could be reinvigorated in a way that a fan might actually enjoy, we ate it all up.
>>14083080
And yes, a lot of older Trek movies were garbage too. But at least with those they were neither completely without dozens of episodes of character building that came before them, nor were they all the Star Trek we had left.
>>14072033
>Why are they called the resistance when they're part of the the dominant faction?
They're not, they're a Republic-funded paramilitary group created with the aim of subverting and destroying the foreign government called the "First Order", but not explicitly attached to the Republic, presumably for the sake of plausible deniability
>>14072033
Proxy army for the Republic-- basically doing the Republic's fighting so it can remain neutral/pacifist.
>>14074790
what this guy said.
>>14083115
They're sponsored by Turks and Sauds to fight space Russia/Syria.
>>14082882
Keep telling yourself that.
>>14083080
buddy, all of the star trek movies are mediorcre and generic Sci-Fi movies
Please execute yourself at your nearest convenience
>>14083704
DUNE BUGGIES
>>14083704
>tfw had my entire bridge crewed by bridge bunnies in TSO
Fuggin' 10/10 mate
I never thought I'd see the day when the prequels start being affected by Zelda Syndrome
>>14086225
>Zelda Syndrome
What's that?
>>14086588
If I had to guess, I'd say it's the concept of "it's an older installment of a series, therefore it's better." But I don't think it really applies, since I'm pretty sure that guy saying they were good is just trolling.
>>14083704
A lot of them were, but when there were bad ones they were surrounded by decent/good ones, not to mention the series that spawned them. And even when they went off the rails into stupid action territory, they still had the rest of the franchise worth of character development propping them up and making them seem less blatantly shallow than they were.
By being a reboot with characters that bear no relation whatsoever to their pre-reboot counterparts (save for name and one single character trait each exaggerated to silly degrees), JJ Trek is completely on its own, and so its flaws can't be seen as just a stumble. It fell flat on its face right out of the gate.
And unless its a completely different game now than it used to be, STO is pretty awful too. Fanfiction-tier pandering, the lot of it.
>>14086588
>>14086607
It's pic related, when something previously hated is suddenly liked because it's no longer the new release.
>>14086641
The only people who didn't like Wind Waker were the people who never played it. Or in the case of the pre-release whining, those who hadn't been able to play it yet.
>>14086641
IN that case it's obviously games targeted as children who will always prefer whichever they played first.
For star wars I think it's partially the prequels actually having some serious issues, and partially disney setting up a very effective marketing campaign, pretty much the very day disney bought star wars all clone wars and expanded universe stuff being published or in the works got axed and they started pushing this "everyone hates the prequels, everyone loves the old ones" meme on social media and everywhere.
>>14086665
A lot of people didn't like the sailing. The original version didn't have the Swift Sail after all.
>>14086728
It was the low point for sure, but I don't remember it feeling like a deal breaker at any point of the game, and the well-designed dungeons and highly expressive and fun characters more than made up for it.
That, and the sense of scale to the world it provided was completely unprecedented in a Zelda game up to that point.
>>14086695
If you think that wasn't by far the overriding view of the franchise (prequels shit, orig trig good) long, long before there were even whispers of Disney getting the franchise, then you're delusional.
In fact, you're the first person I've ever seen try to defend them as objectively good. The closest I've seen before now was a few people defending Revenge of the Sith because "at least it wasn't as awful as the first two prequels".
>>14086769
I'm a different anon.
I'm mostly defending all the media set in the clone wars and the expanded universe, which was/is well liked in co and v too.
If you must know my personal opinion it's that both the prequels and the original have good and bad in it, to say that the prequels are complete shit and the original are goat is ridiculous.
>>14086641
>>14086665
>>14086728
>>14086759
I remember, right before WW came out, people hating the art direction, swearing that the Cel Shading looked like shit, and wouldn't look good in motion either. To be fair, most of the stills released at that point weren't great shots...
Then the game released, and we got to play one of the best entries in the franchise to date... and almost everyone who had bitched about it changed their tunes the second the saw it in motion.
Also, thank the gods that the HD version has the swift sail... I already did that completion once on the Gamecube, I didn't want to sail so slowly again when re-experiencing my favorite LoZ game.
>>14086853
>Then the game released, and we got to play one of the best entries in the franchise to date... and almost everyone who had bitched about it changed their tunes the second the saw it in motion.
No, bullshit. I remember people who hated it until around the time TP came out even after playing it. It was not an "everyone who played it loved it" game, it was "everyone who played it loved it eventually, some taking years to"
>>14086853
This was pretty much how it went for me and everyone I know, too. The E3 tech demo at the GameCube's announcement (the one with Link and Gannondorf duelling) was badass-looking, and seeing that we wouldn't get that, but instead would get a kiddy-looking toon Zelda game was a massive disappointment. This had a lot to do with being around that not-quite-child, not-quite-adult age where not being seen as childish was of prime importance. But being able to play it changed all our minds instantly.
>>14082829
>beam-handle-shortbeam-handle-beam
That's so retarded. I love it.
>>14077103
good eye anon
>>14070697
lolololollololo that was overrided decades ago
>>14086915
This is how I remember it going down too. For Twilight Princess the biggest let down for me was that I was an idiot and bought it for Wii. The controls absolutely ruined that game for me.
