What's with 70's and 80's (and maybe early 90's) /m/ anime and live action opening songs being full of energy/making you pumped up?
And they got lyrics like
>DO YOU REMEMBER THAT OLD LULLABY~
>WAKE UP! THE HEEEEEROOOOO!
>WIPE AWAY... ALL YOU TEAARS
is it really a product of its time?
Also has something to do with Tomino, Nagai, Ishinomori themselves writing the lyrics to the theme songs
It definitely bled over into the 90's a bit, like a lot of things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkFoLL0QmFQ
Getting you pumped up and in the mood for what you're about to watch is kinda the whole point of a theme song.
Random engrish is hip 'n' cool.
>>14026831
only few shows do it nowadays
I like how Japanese theme songs, unlike American ones, rarely have anything to do with the actual show.
>>14026847
I hate it
>>14026847
the ones commissioned with j-pop artists and such anyway
the ones in the 70's-early 90's tend to match the theme
>>14026847
They used to. But now it's more about selling CDs, rather than having an iconic theme song. Although even when some songs sound like generic jpop/rock, their lyrics do relate to the show.
>>14026798
Because /m/ anime back then was aimed at kids and songs like that are still used today to hype them up, just look at most toyetic kids openings (I mean say what you will about Pokemon but their OPs are pretty much always full of energy). But mainly it's a product of the times thing.
>>14026798
Old anime openings were all about the audience cheering on the hero in the form of a song, lending their voice to grant them courage. You used to have directors themselves pen these lyrics as a part of thatplus they got royalty checks for said songs.Things changed in the 80s when the music industry finally twigged you could use anime to launch the careers of up and coming bands with something that was not only catchy but had cross audience appeal. Hence the shift from stuff like STAND UP BRAVE WARRIORS to more regular poppy stuff. Contrast the openings of Dunbine and Zeta Gundam, made three years apart, and you can see the divide. The traditional hero song style is still around in anime, though it's usually limited to shows aimed specifically at kids, parodies of said shows in other series, or in remakes of those age old properties. Otherwise it's usually standard contemporary music.
>>14026845
I mostly watch kids shows nowadays, so I'm not that familiar with a lot of theme songs for current adult shows. Although the few I watch (JoJo, mostly) are hype as hell.
My current favorites are the Youkai Watch OPs, that always consist of a guy doing an Engrish rap about hanging out with your buddies and going to school, random nonsense word chorus, then switching to a sad girl singing about crows flying at sunset and lost love, then back to rapping guy screaming his lungs out about fireworks and sunny weather over Japan. It's great, and has jack shit to do with the show.
>>14026864
I dunno, Macross and such doesn't scream kids. Young audience perhaps, but not kids specifically.
Then again HnK was focused towards kids too.
because you're biased
OTOKO WA DARE MO
LONELY SOLDIER BOY
>>14026871
All /m/ anime was targetted at kids back then even if it was some dark shit like Zambot 3, anything that sold merchandising was totally kids based with some exceptions like Votoms because they were things that were meant for all ages to enjoy. That's why the only mecha anime these days are the late night solely otaku-based ones unless it's Gundam
>>14026887
fuck teens and otaku
they lack the burning passion of their soul
>>14026858
To be honest, I prefer some opening like, say, Rayearth, talking about self doubt and the such (although generic it applies to the main character) rather than the whole plot summarized in a few lines (like "Autobots fight the evil Decepticons"); this last one is quite retarded. Even in Dragon Ball Z, for instance, which is quite related to the series, they don't say "go, Goku, defeat the evil Freezer and save the Universe", but something like "the Genkidama roars as loud as my heart pounds", that's fucking awesome.
Also, there's another huge difference. Even when the song is related to the series, in American songs it's more about "here's this character and here's the enemy, watch them clash". While the Japanese lyrics are more in the lines of "this is a series about fighting, feel as if you were fighting yourself". The American one is quite distant and treats you as a cheerleader; the Japanese one tries to include you and make you feel as if you were part of the cast yourself.
>>14026871
Macross main target was teenagers, but also those ones who were teenagers when Gundam and Yamato happened (by 1982 they were young adults). I agree with you, I wouldn't say it's for kids, although kids can safely watch it.
>>14027052
I think it's more of for all ages, with a certain preference
In any case I miss 80's style music
>>14026847
>I like how Japanese theme songs, unlike American ones, rarely have anything to do with the actual show.
American theme songs are generally just the name of the show repeated over and over, or a simplistic description of the show's plot, like:
>doot doot doo dooooo
>This is a show about a boy
>doot doot doo dooooo
>He fights with card monsters
>doot doot doo dooooo
>He is the Card Monster Fight Boy!
>doot doot doo dooooo
>FUCKING CARD MONSTER FIGHT BOY!
>doot doot doo dooowaaaaa
>AND
>THIS
>IS
>HIS
>SHOOOOWWWWW!
>"Card Monster Fight Boy, By Megalotoy"
Who the fuck wants to listen to that shit?
>>14026798
>is it really a product of its time?
Yes
Japanese theme songs still are usually about the show if it's one of those toyetic shows and even still, sometimes otaku shows will have songs sung by one of the voice actors or be about the premise of the show.
>>14027052
I think a general rule is if the show has the lyrics at the bottom of the screen during the OP/ED, it's probably aimed at a more general audience
>>14027070
So exactly like old nip OPs?
>>14027109
Name 3. And don't say 0079. That's nothing like what he's describing
>>14027109
isn't that how the Tetsujin and Kamen Rider songs play out?
>>14027125
Only the Classic Tetsujin, and Rider hasn't done it since Agito.
>>14027070
>>14026847
You must not pay attention to a lot of lyrics....
Tobe Gundam!
Sign of the Zeta
Macross Opening Song
That damn Ya-pa-pa song from Ranma 1/2
Stand Up to the Victory
>>14027137
Yeah, but it proves the other poster's point about "just like old nip OPs" right?
Hypest OP ever.
https://youtu.be/1SqUa9_lCsc
>>14027146
Ah, missed the "old".
>>14027160
to this day I don't get why they keep using "Gorilla!" in the backup singers.
>>14027166
Because it's a mission outer space? satisfaction? GORILLA. Srungle.
>>14027160
fuck, the full version even has a cello solo
https://youtu.be/jTjaYDFzB7E
>>14027145
I quite enjoy hearing Shining Finga in flying the sky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_gMcnPZyuM
BE SILENT
Gavan's OP lyrics are manly as fuck
https://youtu.be/Ny1qsKUBqgM
You’re a man, aren’t you?
Then you’d better get moving!
Spark a fire in the engine of your heart!
I’m already one step ahead of you
dashing for the future at the speed of light!
What does it mean to be young?
It means never looking back!
What does it mean to love?
It means never hesitating!
Gavan! Bidding farewell to tears…
Gavan! Welcoming in courage…
Space Sheriff Gavan!
>>14026891
This
>>14026891
>fuck teens and otaku
>they lack the burning passion of autism
Ftfy.
>>14027280
nah they're also autistic, but to a different direction
>>14027285
angst autism
>>14027231
Good old Kushida tended to get manly songs. Hell, he got the distinction to sing for Kinnikuman.
>>14026798
The singers were pretty soulful. Plus some weren't just idol singers or what have you, but actual veterans (isn't Isao Sasaki a lounge singer?).
>>14026845
Super Sentai always continues that tradition (namely this year's EAGLE! SHARK!, LION!, ELEPHANT!, TIGER!, HONNO KAKUSEI), like other things it does that productions don't do much these days, because grandfather clause.
>>14027364
Angstism.
>>14027096
No. That's no rule at all. Many anime, perhaps most of them (back in those times at least), had the lyrics below. It didn't matter if it were aimed for kids (Chibi Maruko Chan, Doraemon, Heidi), for preteens (Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball), for teens (Dragon Ball Z, Macross, Hokuto no Ken) or for adults (Space Adventure Cobra, Devilman). Macross is mostly for teenagers about to finish school and young adults getting into college/work. You don't make Macross for 11 years old preteens. They are welcome to watch it, of course, but it's not a story written with them in mind.
>>14027457
HnK was for kids tho. It was in shonen jump once.
>>14026821
Well 90s Japanese intros still keep an 80s hair metal charm because grunge never murdered that scene for them there.
Speaking of theme songs, anyone else feel that Gundam 79s theme is out of place? I mean yeah it gets you pumped, but the moment the show starts it's all serious business. I just feel like they were trying to catch the Gatchaman vibe but it didn't work.
>>14027463
Ah, well, you are fucking brilliant, quite an argument you give there. I say that it was for teens but you deny it because it was in Shounen Jump. SJ is for a range of readers between 8 and 18, and I don't think that something as violent as HnK aims for the younger kids of that audience. It's clearly for teenagers.
>>14027513
Everything in Gundam 0079 beyond Tomino's direct control was following robot anime standards set in the 70s.
>>14027513
It's simply a bad song. That's all. It happens. Gatchaman's song, on the other hand, is awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb0Dwb-gwVQ
>>14027548
It's a shame, since Kou Ikeda barely got to do anything but Tobe! Gundam and Groizer X's OP. Granted, he did get to be a one-shot guest character in Juspion, but that's it.
Jam are keeping it up at the very least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFpNPoe2hm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9D9aP7SEvs
>>14027584
JAM's whole point of being was to get more work to some of the most prominent anison singers at a time when most of the songs used for openings and endings were from unrelated sources.
>>14027548
Can't argue there buddy. Also this theme.
http://youtu.be/x0jw7KkU5zI
>>14027599
>tfw only person who thinks the SoulTaker OP is one of their best songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWX_i-qhasI
>>14027643
No, my man, you are far from the only one.
>>14027457
>preteens (Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball), for teens (Dragon Ball Z, Macross, Hokuto no Ken) or for adults (Space Adventure Cobra, Devilman).
With the exception of Macross since I'm not exactly sure what demographic that would fall under, all of those are shounen and shojo series
>>14027643
In fact, old JAM (with Ichirou, Rica and Eizo) is BEST JAM.
>>14026798
>is it really a product of its time?
Yes, a pure product of its time. Gem, the holograms, and the misfits. Dead and burried in the eighties.
I wish openings would explain the origins of the main character again, I kind of miss that.
>>14027670
Wasn't that more of a Western cartoon thing?
Except Kamen Rider and some other toku
>>14026891
>they lack the burning passion of their soul
Fuck you. Gao Gai Gar has more burning passion than all of Gundam series of the last 2 decades. And it's a fucking kids show.
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>>14027643
I'm going to be weird and say Amor as one of my favourites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiYCqnEZhlA
>>14027650
>>14027660
My flickers!
>>14027713
Best Jam is All Jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZ1STGJkxM
>>14027655
Cobra and Devilman shounen? Maybe Devilman, at least the first version (although it was mostly a story for adults trying to be marketed for teenage viewers), definitively not the OVAs. But Cobra? Are you fucking high?
No kidding about the others, you brainbox! Both Shounen and Shoujo are mostly for preteens and teens up to the point when they are leaving highschool. Sailor Moon earlier Seasons are mostly for preteens, later Seasons are for teens; same happens with Dragon Ball (Z being for teens).
When unsure, the most clear indication of the target is usually (USUALLY, that means NOT ALWAYS, so please don't come with some idiotic retort such as "but I know a manga/anime where it doesn't happen") about the same age as the protagonists. Macross main characters are all teenagers that find themselves in a time of war; it's, among many other things, about first, idealized, infatuated love and it's transition to a real, conscious love. Also an epic about death and destruction. It's clearly for older teenagers, it's even stated everywhere that it's a shounen.
>>14027680
To think that Thundercat's opening was about to be a sad clone of MOTU's one. Thankfully someone (I don't know who) said "yeah, no, we will use a song that doesn't tell you everything, let's make a badass fluid opening instead of a boring one". The lyrics are retarded, granted, but the song sounds awesome for a cartoon opening, and the animation made in Japan is fantastic.
>>14027724
Goddamn does Fukuyama's singing just make my dick hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9m3LOUzZs4
>>14026798
CHASER, DEAD HEAT!
CHASER, DEAD HEAT!
ps:dead heat no I love you
>>14027743
>To think that Thundercat's opening was about to be a sad clone of MOTU's one. Thankfully someone (I don't know who) said "yeah, no, we will use a song that doesn't tell you everything, let's make a badass fluid opening instead of a boring one". The lyrics are retarded, granted, but the song sounds awesome for a cartoon opening, and the animation made in Japan is fantastic.
The only thing I remember of the Cosmocats (silly French translating Thundercats) is the awful French lyrics. The tune was great, but the words were so fucking retarded.
DO ITdoitdoit SASURAAAIGEEEEEEEER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7pULmcQ7AI
>>14027791
Man french ops are so stupid like that all the time. Goldorak was based though
>>14027804
>Man french ops are so stupid like that all the time. Goldorak was based though
After hearing the French openings to Maison Ikkoku and Robotech (this one was utterly ridiculous) you want to shoot yourself in the head.
Space Adventure Cobra though, this one had a great French opening theme.
>>14027804
>>14027837
Harlock had a pretty cool one too (almost patriotic at that). In terms of bad ones I've heard, Sailor Moon's was horrible, while DBZ's was more inappropriate than anything.
>>14027791
"Thundercats are on the move, Thundercats are loose. Feel the magic, feel the roar, Thundercats are loose. Thunder, Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats; Thunder, Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats; Thunder, Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats; Thunder, Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats".
That was it. Pretty stupid. But those based trumpets, that horn sounding syhtetizer playing sixths intervals, that note constantly repeated by the bass... even how it starts with the trumpets and how the bass takes over with that note. Simply an awesome, dynamic, uplifting cartoon song.
>>14027779
He needs more solo intros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHiPNimcvVI
>>14027849
Robotech's one was awful. Harlock's one wasn't that far behind. In French, of course, in Japanese Harlock's opening is pure beauty.
>>14027850
Still beats the one Mega Man had, which consisted entirely of saying "Super Fighting Robot, Mega Man!" in different intonations.
>>14027397
Isao Sasaki says himself that even when he started doing anime, his style of music was getting old. And anime allowed him to keep singing the way he liked and felt music.
In any case, both Ichiro Mizuki and Mitsuko Horie were great singers as well. They were usually good enough pro singers that didn't have a lot of success or started that kind of "enka-flavored" music with some Elvis mix too late. Anime allowed them to have success even when their style was a long forgotten memory (heck, they even had many works in the early 80s). JAM Project was not only a way to get more work again, but also to modernize a little bit their style to be trendy again.
>>14027860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWkPukU67k
BUUUUUURNING HEART
BUUUUUUUNING HEART
YUME O DAKE SA
>>14027457
Devilman was for children, friend. Don't know where you'd get the idea of it being for mature adults from.
ANATA NO HITOMI WA TSUMETE SUGIRU KARA KOKORO GA ATSUI KA MO
FUUTO WARATTA YOKOGAO
LOVE ME DO LOVE ME DO LOVE ME DOOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2O-i22SQE
crtl+f no lady fighter
GOAT ED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSYW2ne0cOM
>>14027837
You're right.
But dubs were worse.
>>14027534
always thought the readership for sj was for boys up to early teens
>>14027681
but that was clearly not made for teens and otaku
>>14029347
It did far better with them than their "intended" audience.
>Forgetting Dynamic Pro's late 90's to mid 2000's stuff
Faggot identified
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsvnJ1NqO8
Does Medabots Count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=817Tgf3-g8w
>>14030019
man i miss medabee's antics
what is Aniki up to nowadays
>>14030435
He still sings and goes on tours. He also runs tuition classes for up and coming singers out of his house.
>>14027160
This shit is hot fire
>>14030435
Recently won a lifetime achievement award for his music
