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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree thatSlaine did nothing wrong.
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I blame the retarded misunderstanding. And even after he got shot down, Inaho could have at least captured him.
>>13988331
>>13988373
It wasn't though, he was "exploiting her" she was like a hostage to them, the only ace that Earth had, and they thought she was the only thing that might keep them alive and end the war.
Then in the second season it was properly reversed, slaine wanted to exploit her condition and her sister so as to make himself king.
There was no misunderstanding.
Eggs
>>13988331
>eggs has two eyes
>>13988705
Glass eye?
>>13988331
I can agree that at any point he was given the chance to make a decision he chooses the absolute worst one, everytime, because he's a retard by design.
>>13988331
All Slaine did was for the greater good and achieving peace, he did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>13988785
Why would Slaine ever choose Inaho over anyone? In case you forgot Inaho, was the one who shot him down. He had no reason to trust Inaho at all.
The second part was muh misunderstanding by the Asshime, then again she didn't give a shit about her own people anyway.
>>13988331
He didn't have enough erotic torture-scenes.
>>13988331
Saline did things, right or wrong, Inaho only was a robot
>>13988331
He did.
He gave up in the finale.
First season? Yes, most definitely.
Second season? No, but they had him go all hyper Machiavellian by that point and well, the writing just gave up by that point and had to make him the undisputed badguy in some way.
>>13990496
>First season? Yes, most definitely.
When exactly?
>>13990509
>take sides with the guy who shot you down and got you tortured
>ever making sense
>>13990539
Slain got totured all the time, under all circumstances though.
>>13990539
He didn't really side with him, he didn't join him in battle, he took the Tharsis and went alone.
When he sees Inaho and Saazbaum he doesn't know that the princess is nearby.
Side with Inaho? He ended up tortured last time he trusted him.
Kill them both? Maybe a possible option, but then he'd just have his mech and both UFE and Vers against him.
This way he could have used him or attacked him later. Even when he comes out of the Tharsis right after the crash he says "the count..." and doesn't look happy.
>>13990539
stick to a/z faggot
>>13990570
Killing both would make the most sense. He has no reason to help Saazbaum knowing his goal and no reason to help Inaho. Just grab the princess, reveal he killed her assassin and expose the plot, end show.
>>13990509
I mean yes, he did nothing wrong.
Which is in itself really arguable because like others pointed out he makes really dumb decisions all throughout, but at least he's still presented in more a grey manner
>>13990163
I'm not referring to Inaho. I don't care about him or see at what point Slaine had the option to "choose" or "trust" him, nor do I see any reason to. Slaine makes his own questionable life choices and is responsible for them. No one manipulated or forced him. Killing Saazbaum for such a stupid, petty reason in S2 especially after all that's happened pissed me off, because he was one of the few characters I could tolerate. Slaine should have killed himself after because he also had involvement in what happened to the beloved potato he was "avenging".
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>>13990581
It's possible that it could have went well, but like you say, no reason for a second cour then. Urobuchi just wanted the princess marriage announcement in his concept and the director went with it.
>>13990603
Not that guy, but seeing Saazbaum shoot the princess completely broke Slaine. He initially planned to kill Inaho and just saw a good chance to get rid of Saaz, it's questionable whether he'd get a second chance where he'd get away this easily. He knew if he let Saaz live he might have eventually tried to harm the princess.
>>13988331
No.He did one thig wrong.He sticked to A.Z,denying himself sweet release of death.
>>13990634
>no reason for a second cour then
Would not even mind, they shouldn't have blindly followed the ending idea without knowing how to fill the gaps in a sensible way. This show didn't need two seasons and had too much padding.
>>13990634
>He knew if he let Saaz live he might have eventually tried to harm the princess.
It simply was stated to be petty revenge for a situation he's partly responsible for. He basically said
>You think I can forgive you for killing the princess (when you explicitly told me you would kill her before I saved you)!?
Plus, Saazbaum was clearly remorseful and had ample time to kill her again if he wanted to. There's a lot more shit he has Ass entangled in that could potentially harm her, anyway.
Besides, how does he plan to keep the girl safe when Lemrina was more of an actual threat with her blatant murderous yandere vibes and apparently had free access to her coma room with no security or video cameras.
And he'll have a pretty hard time keeping her safe while positioning her at the forefront of the war effort to the point where earth military decides to take her out and was really close, too. Considering the horrible security in the base he didn't seem to think it through.
>>13991166
It never made sense how Saaz went from wanting to murder the princess to being that sorry and remorseful about it. Especially after going so far as to tell Slaine he was going to keep trying to kill her until he succeeded.
Would have been more interesting, and more consistent, to see him hang asshime's life over Slaine's head until the latter got in line.
>>13991208
Saaz-papa loved Slaine so much that Slaine's happiness became more important to him than his own revenge. By season two, he would never have bullied Slaine like that.
>>13991252
He was the only one who got the memo to stop bullying Slaine
>>13988647
But in the end, both sides wanted to protect her at that point. Slaine probably would have joined them at the drop of a hat if he found out they were protecting her from the Martians, especially since he had no loyalties to them to begin with.
>>13990603
Slaine's reasoning is like other anon said >>13990634
But the real answer is they wanted Saazbaum out of the way so that they could make Slaine the "main villain", and get their shitty seagull end. Honestly, the series would have made more sense and been better all around if Saazbaum had been allowed to live and Asshime and Inaho remained dead. And just make second cour about Vers side (god knows they were the more interesting characters).
>>13992146
Didn't the staff already say the only reason Saaz came back in S2 was to give Slaine the initial boost up the vers ladder because they otherwise couldn't find a way to get that in?
The only way I'd have wanted to see Saaz stick around longer is if they did away with the timeskip and showed more of the dynamic of Slaine and Saaz going from frenemies to father/son or student/evil mentor, however they wanted to handle it. I don't see where keeping Saaz around as the main villain would have necessarily made for a better series. Maybe in black and white terms to keep things simple for the handicapped. But SxS was one of the only decent parts of the story, and you'd likely lose that in exchange.
I'd even be okay with asshime becoming a pickle and being Slaine's last dwindling source of "light," but eggs should've stayed dead.
>>13992588
Thing is, despite the only real area where Saazbaum could be considered "evil" was his hatred of the Asshime (and every one who hates her must be evil) and Terrans (though admitingly this seemed as though it was lessened by season 2). Besides that however, he has good intentions and reasons for his behavior, at his worst he's actually just a well-intentioned extremist. However, A/Z just had an obsession with viewing things in extreme black and white to the point of hypocrisy, if a character hated Asshime and Terrans they were bad or misguided, however if they were racist towards Versians then there as no problem. And yes, I do mean doing away with the time skip and allowing us to see Saazbaum and Slaine's relationship. I'd personally would have wanted to see them create Earth Space and the struggles they'd have doing it.
Asshime should have died, she had no reason to stick around in the second season, would have just added to the dynamics.
>>13992588
>Didn't the staff already say the only reason Saaz came back in S2 was to give Slaine the initial boost up the vers ladder
I want to believe it was the power of prayer. Also,
>chubby cheeks
>chubby cheeks
>chubby cheeks
>chubby cheeeeeeeeeks
>>13988331
Nigger Slaine did everything wrong
Half the problem can be traced to him and him alone
>>13992770
>A/Z just had an obsession with viewing things in extreme black and white to the point of hypocrisy
So did the viewers, going by the reactions and shit slinging you find in most forums.
Also, going by S1's slower pace, S2 was never going to realistically cover everything it needed to in order to fully develop the world, history and context, as well as the ensemble cast it introduced in a way that was comfortable. S2 only added more new people for even less time and space for development of anything. A/Z started out trying to be a war story, that forgot it was a war story to become a character drama, but didn't keep the cast small enough to handle that either. It either needed 50 episodes to try and juggle everything (which given the reaction to the show was only going to incur more assblasted butthurt). Or it should've stuck with the first 12eps and ended on a tighter story with the main cast wipeout and not bothered with the political drama at all.
I think that's part of where the problems of the black and white dynamic comes from. A/Z was pressed for time and opted for simple interpretations but forgot to take out the shades of grey in the process. So the whole story is stuck in this limbo of ideas that never stood a chance to coalesce.
>>13992998
Depends on the forum, one forum I was on, hated it, then again they had their own dedicated mecha forum, and many of them were re-watching Turn A Gundam at the same time.
Well no the black and white dynamic was there from the very start, if you read some of the interviews you can see that the Aoki's views you can see the blatant hypocrisy, it seems as though it was a war story written by people who didn't understand war, or just politics for that matter. War and politics aren't simple at all. A/Z was partially inspired by Man of Steel, and when a war story is inspired by what is essentially destruction porn then expectations shouldn't be too high.
On top of that the people in charge have little experience with Sci-fi series and even less with mecha anime (Aoki Ei mostly works on fanservice and slice of life shows), which was coupled with them wanting to "surpass Gundam" lead to them using a lot of mecha tropes, without any real understanding of how or why they worked.
A/Z lacks the characterization to be a character drama, and lacks any real plot development to be a war story. S1 was filled with skippable episodes, and filler characters, and S2 while plot and character drama heavy, the lack of resolution makes everything pointless.
>>13988331
He was trying to do the best he could for his slave class at mars, too bad he was up against proto-mikazuki
>>13988331
He did nothing wrong.
The series just took a shit on him every time while sucking off Autist's dick instead
>>13992998
>So did the viewers, going by the reactions and shit slinging you find in most forums.
That was glorious. You may hate Slaine for a thousand reasons, but a lot of people has always hated him for the silliest reasons.
White and black.
>Slane, you are a fucking war criminal!!!
Shit like that.
>>13994466
It's funny because they didn't even understand what a war crime was.
>>13993624
Actually Inaho's archetype has a been around for a while, A/Z just doesn't know how to use it.
>>13993133
>a war story written by people who didn't understand war, or just politics for that matter
Agreed.
The filler characters were extremely frustrating. They were footnotes of concepts that never went anywhere.
The resolution, however, I find to be the biggest hypocrisy in the whole series. The show spent a few episodes in both S1 and S2 laying out and explaining why and how Asshime's ending wouldn't work. Then, at the ending and resolution, the audience is supposed to believe that yes, it actually worked exactly that way. With no explanation or rationale for the change. The initial interpretation I saw around the forums was the peace was a lie - which would have made more sense and been more interesting than what the staff did, which was to come back and clarify that we were supposed to interpret it as Asshime getting (mostly, minus a few very downplayed and ill-developed sacrifices) everything she wanted as far as peace and coexistence.
So there was supposed to be a resolution, it just rendered everything else pointless.
>>13994511
Hence proto-mikazuki, Mika is more or less using the same archetype Heero and Setsuna used, only without anything else to back his character and it ends up being boring, same as it was with Inaho, we know both will win with Inaho just babling about some common fact that everyone seemed to forget and Mika just killing his enemy with barely a word or change in his expression
>>13988331
He did a lot of things right. He also fucked up at the most inopportune moment(s). His only excuse is that he also had a handful of legit tragedies fuck up his path.
>>13992998
I said it the day the last ep aired, and I'll say it again: they could have salvaged it with an S3 that dealt with the actual end of the war and a lore drop on Vers/the Aldnoah.
>>13996895
No Mika is a child soldier raised in a country where he didn't really have much of a chance to be better. Mika's justification is the setting of his world, Inaho though has no justification for it.
>>13997010
And how does that make either of them not boring? Setsuna who grew up on similar conditions, even having to kill his own parents, had his character go through changes during the anime, same with Heero who was brainwashed into the role of a terrorist and was awkward as all hell managed to grow beyond that, Mikazuka has been the same character since the very first episode with no change, same with Inaho, no change at all, unless you count his time moonlighting as Odin with the eye thing as a a big change
>>13996509
Speaking as a person who studies economics the resolution was complete bullshit, and would have only made things worse.
>>13997033
Inaho never really has his personality explained
With Mika we can at least infer that being a child soldier is what turned him into the man he is
Inaho is just a regular boy. Why does he act the way he does? Was it just autism? Was he mistreated and this is how he copes?
>>13997048
I kept expecting then to say he was the lost child or something of some Mars knight
>>13997041
Why
>>13997033
Don't get me wrong, Mika's still boring, but he at least has justification for being the way he is from the offset. The problem with his character comes from a general problem with IBO's writing.
Inaho on the other hand didn't even have a reason for being the way he was.
>>13997057
Long story short, when you have internal problems, like corruption or an very skewed distribution of wealth, then the most of money and resources will only go the upper crust (the 1% if you will), leaving very little of it for everyone else. It will also just perpetuates the system and increases the disparity.
On top of that being completely reliant on another country for basic resources is never a good position to be in, because the moment you run out of things to trade with them, and then capital then they'll no longer wish to trade with you, oh and here's the kicker, if you have nothing to trade with another country then the value of your money will actually start to decrease, and it'll take more money to buy something that you used to get cheaply.
So yeah realistically Vers is fucked and will only last about as long as it takes for universal rights to be achieved.
>>13997151
I see
So giving Earth the power of Aldnoah has fucked Vers economically.
You know, it'd actually make for a cool movie sequel to see a movie come out of the resulting fall out, with Vers lashing out against Earth over their resulting economic decline.
>>13997395
All that would mean is Earth completely fucks them over if they get upty, imagine Inaho with a hax robot instead of his plot armor one, now imagine the army that somehow managed bring the fight to a stalemate while piloting the equivalent of a Zaku 2 against a army of Strike Freedom, they would just steamroll the Mars army, Asshime more or less killed her people slowly
>>13997403
If Earth gets plot armour by being an underdog, then perhaps Vers can also equip their soldiers with plot armour
>>13990539
dumb Bones poster
>>13997403
No, other anon is correct it just means that Earth is fucking them over just by trading with them. The economical value of money isn't something that is arbitrarily decided by another country. What decides it is how much demand there is for another country's product. And the moment they have enough Aldnoah (which they'll most likely buy in bulk), then they'll no longer want anything that Vers has, which will cause the value of the Vers' money to slowly become more and more worthless, because there's no demand for it, nobody wants it. Earth literally doesn't have to do anything beyond trade with them to cause problems.
>>13997395
Oh Earth can also continue to fuck them over even after stopping trade, but this time via immigration. Actually taking away the intelligent lower class workers, who helped the infrastructure of Vers run, and then not letting them leave (though the chances of them wanting to leave would be slim).
>>13988331
How to fix IBO and Aldnoah
>take Aldnoah aesthetics + sound tracks and inserted Saazbaum and Slaine into IBO
>made Kudelia look a little less retarded
>some IBO horror with Aldnoah drives
>Aldnoah S1 end
>Zeta Gundam S2 end
That's two wasted mechas now.
>>13998514
I was talking about that actually, the moment Mars sees that Earth doesn't need them and will just let them rot they could try another rebellion, only this time Earth has Aldnoah tech and can make the same hax robots in probably a greater number while also having a greater number of competent pilots, Mars got double fucked by Asshime when she gave the only thing that made Mars special to their sworn enemies
Not sure what's sadder? This show or the people who still talk about it? At least GSD showed some potential and was actually popular but this? You're just beating a dead horse people have already forgotten.
>>13998959
Do you have a list aproved anime that we can talk about, your highness?
>>13998973
Scratch that, you seriously discussing it is more sadder.
>>13998959
This. If there's ever a series you just needed to let go on its this one especially when it was never good at any point.
>>13998992
Are you sure you having a problem with peopl ediscussing some random anime actually a lot more sadder? Are you trying to pull a valvrager on us here?
>>13998996
>>13998959
>>13998992
Why the same fagging?
>>13998973
>>13998997
>>13999008
Why the butthurt?
>>13998997
There's not much any discussion and the thread was dead until you bumped it again. So obviously everyone has already moved on while you're still hang up on it. Pathetic.
>>13999008
Here's your (you)
>>13998997
You must have really liked A/Z to be complaining about people telling you to get over it.
>>13999027
I think he just finished it and wanted to vent long after people stopped giving a shit. This is the first A/Z thread in months.
>>13988331
Nope. Slaine could have lived a reasonable life on either side until his jealous sperging put himself in a box.
The moment he broke out of Castle Cruhteo he could've just hightailed it to UEF, sold out the Martians as an earthling and found Pickles.
And then when best dad gave him a promising new life wherein he could have significantly contributed to the success of Mars' campaign, he murdered Saaz and ruined literally everything.
He got exactly what he deserved. At least Inaho brings him cake and stuff.
>>13999085
This bait is terrible.
>>13998916
It's highly likely will have a revolution first, since all the UFE needs to do to get the Versians to leave them alone is to point the finger at the royal family. Hell the UFE might not even need to do anything as people are more likely to blame Asshime anyway since we've seen that they already do blame nobles and subjects are more likely to blame their leader first for any economic problems, and Asshime unlike her father won't point the finger at Earth, she'll just accept their blame, which is actually a bad thing for a politician to do because you're essentially admitting that you're incompetent, which will just make people madder.
If the Orbital Knights interfere then it's likely that the the lower class might actually request outside assistance. Either way win or lose the end result is still Vers being destroyed.
>>13998959
No one said you needed to post here :^)
Stick to IBO and G-reco baiting
>>14001336
Did you really have to respond to a post from 10 hourse ago just to shitpost A/Zfag?
