How do you successfully fight a newtype in a mobile suit battle without resorting to non conventional technology like psychics, cyborgs, other newtypesand gundam grade weaponry?
>>13967111
If they can predict the future two seconds ahead of me, I just need to kill them within a frame of three.
For example, let's say I lure them into a massive C4 field. Even if they realise what it is two seconds before I detonate, the explosion will simply be too large for them to dodge by that point.
Be a super pilot.
Be a Yazan or an Ali
>>13967133
That isnt what they do though
>>13967136
Don't they sense peoples feelings , like when your brain becomes more active when you try to do an offensive move? I thought they could somewhat reinterpret that to take the initiative in combat.
>>13967111
Be a good pilot. Newtype abilities aren't all knowing and incredibly fickle.
>>13967111
>Bring a lot of scattershot munitions instead of dodgeable pewpewlazors
>Blow up the entire area
It's the only way to be sure
>>13967111
By using a machine that has almost equal, or better maneuverability, having great special awareness, and moving purely on instinct (they always seem to have trouble with these types).
>>13967111
By being real good. Be Yazan, be Garrod. Most newtypes are teens with low experience anyway.
>>13967111
Confine and control their movement, use aoe weapons and shotguns,and saturation fire.
Find out what they are after and keep them chasing that far away from your main forces.
Take some notes from HK-47 on how to take out jedi.
Probably the best way is to get them out of their suits with tasty bait and just shoot them.
>>13967150
They cant just see a certain amount of time in the future like fucking doppio despite what OP suggests
They can perceive things without seeing or hearing them and read thoughts sometimes but if they look into the future it is just a premonition
I recall Usso fought off a newtype predicting his moves by using the V2 parts, which are automated, so she couldn't sense them
>>13967187
>get them out of their suits with tasty bait and just shoot them.
Reminds me of that thing with Golgo 13 in 0083
Sick reads son
>>13967111
Depends
If they dont have funnels you just have to be a better pilot 1:1 than them and not rely on surprise attacks and since panoramic cockpits basically give you newtype spatial awareness anyway you can do this without much trouble
If they have funnels you need to be a meme machine like Yazan
run
>>13967135
This.
>>13967136
This. Yazan, Ali, the Roberto bros in GBF are also a good example
>>13967150
Newtypes are basically weaponised empaths
they can sense intent and emotions within other human beings (and even moreso with each other) this was meant to be the next evolution of humanity, where we could break the confines of language and limited communication and truly know each other's thoughts and meaning direct mind to mind.
Both the Feds and Zeon took that inate ability for true relationship and understanding, and twisted and abused it to be used as a weapon, to kill and destroy other living beings, in direct opposition of their natural state of perfect empathetic harmony, which is why the fates of newtypes is so particularly tragic.
>>13967111
just shoot them til they die
How do you kill Amuro who's a super pilot and a great newtype?
>>13968374
Super pilot?
>>13968374
Backstab him with a bazooka. It's been proven to work.
Have plot armor
>>13967111
You fucking don't.
Imagine you get a jump on Amuro as a Zaku and before you can even lock-on he turns around and suddenly your cockpit is warm for a split second and then you're in the afterlife
Crash an asteroid into Earth
>>13967111
Complain about them on /m/ and make up bullshit like "series without newtypes are better".
>>13969049
>Not nuking Amuro so that by the time he has his new type flash the blast is already too large for him to escape
Fuck the Antartic treaty.
>>13969070
Did you not watch 0079?
>>13969083
What are you referring to?
Are you talking about the Solar Ray that didn't hit White Base?
I did watch 0079in movie format
>>13967150
No, they just have enhanced spatial awareness.
More powerful Newtype abilities include
>powering up a properly equipped mobile suit
>sensing the spirits of the dead, usually during a protagonist newtype's epiphany although you get it from antagonist newtypes too right when they're about to get fucked in the ass by the protagonist
>psychically crushing the opponent's mind
>Telepathy
>Healing the sick and wounded although only one Newtype has ever exhibited that power on a large scale
>>13969176
As long as you didn't watch the Zeta movies
Simple, be an emotionless sociopathic killing machine that only exists to murder shit.
Their whole gimmick relies on empathy going both ways.
>>13968374
kill him when he's not piloting anything
>>13969066
>bullshit
Well meme'd
>>13968374
>>13968374
>KIll Amuro
Nigga it took a fuck huge Military base / Asteroid to make Amuro break a sweat.
You run when Amuro enter the field.
>>13969647
three.....
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>>13968374
Try dropping an asteroid on Earth.Be Tomino.
>>13967193
>>Golgo 13 in 0083
This I have to see. Got a link?
>>13967193
Does he pilot a GM sniper custom?
>>13969184
Watched the series
I turned the movies off after they skipped "isn't that a girls name?"
>>13969176
then fuck off retard
>>13969775
I honestly don't but I think it was posted here a few years back.
>>13969780
He doesn't he blows up what I think is the GP01 along with Nina and possibly Kou with his usual Rifle.
>>13969637
>meme
The only meme is Gundam is good without Newtypes
>>13969775
>>13969780
>>13969905
Here
I found it after a simple search in the archive:
https://desustorage.org/m/thread/6665985/#6666438
>>13969922
Oh, a write--
>poses as journalist
>use an EVA suit
>EVA suit ruptures
>Duke must destroy the Gundam before his oxygen runs out
6/10 needs more sexy women.
>>13969890
Please don't be rude :(
>>13969922
That sex scene with Nina. I lol'd heartily. Thanks Anon.
>>13968374
>Killing Amuro
>>13969663
For all we know he might not have died.
Hewent Beyond The Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6SAE1tCEE
git gud
>>13967111
By having on par machine or higher than your NT enemy helps. But if the said NT is a autistic manchild and having a girl's name you might be in trouble. Or just think about semi naked woman, that helps too
>>13967111
Be a Innovade
>>13971365
>Get raped by ELS
no thanks
What if you got someone who was autistic and their brain doesn't operate or feel/project emotion the same way as a normal person?
Would that pilot have an advantage over a newtype?
>>13971396
Considering Kamille was autistic AND a newtype, maybe not.
>>13967111
Get someone like Chirico Cuvie.
>>13967136
>Yazan
>>13971396
>implying newtypes aren't autistic
How, exactly, do Newtypes experience our feelings?
Can we overwhelm their feelings? Can we make a abloobloobloo-flashbang that sends out crippling "emotional waves" to overwhelm their senses?
If that fails, combat drugs and/or psychedelics, and a scorched earth policy.
>>13967135
That's how AGE called plot armor.
>>13967111
Well Kycillia literally had an entire fucking battalion dedicated to it, though unfortunately most of them don't seem to be on Yazan's level. I have hope for I AM NOT JOHNNY RIDDEN though.
>>13967187
>Take some notes from HK-47 on how to take out jedi.
Don't trust that tin can, he was dog shit in every game he was in.
>>13967286
Given how high on the skill meter the first two are, it's best to aim for the Roberto brother's methods if you don't have a good chance at being the best of the best.
>>13967293
i love how you explain newtype thingy
you can defeat a newtype but only if you became a SUPER newtype
>>13969208
so yazan?
>>13971941
Yazan was anything but emotionless.
>>13971911
I meant, be a sociopathic, ruthless, cold-blooded warrior. Roberto bros tactics would win against any opponent. Guerrila warfare works.
>>13971988
>I meant, be a sociopathic, ruthless, cold-blooded warrior.
Unfortunately the track records of people with these traits aren't very good, even with guys like Yazan and Ali counting. There's just a lot of fodder like that.
>>13971988
Roberto tactics are small time compared to guys like Henry from Gihren's Assassination Plot. The next GBF MC should be Led Wayline.
>>13972008
That's because it's a show. IRL, those guys would dominate the field of battle, and refuse promotion, just so they cod wreak more havoc, and shoot/stab/burn/whatev shit to death
>>13971836
There was the case of Dozle and the Big Zam
Apparently, Dozle's emotions were so powerful that they cause Amuro to hallucinate. Scared the piss out of him.
>>13972017
IRL, those people tend to be the worst soldiers, defying orders, running off alone, and getting other people killed trying to keep them alive.
The best soldiers tend to be good because they work well with others. There's limits to what an individual can do but a group can can do anything. Remember, Warriors fight, Soldiers fight together.
>>13967111
It probably would be negated by Minovsky particles but what if they developed some kind of non EXAM or Trans-Am computer aided system that did all the predictions for the pilot, matched Newtype skill, so they were on equal footing? Like a fly-by-wire system. Did they try that? Or an automated system like the Mobile Dolls from Wing.
>>13972025
Dozle was a honest guy his whole life. Brain was the size of a peanut but he was probably the only guy in the Zabis that actually thought his family was doing their best for the people.
Garma just didn't give a fuck and viewed it as a playground and rank ladder.
>>13972036
Nope. Give them free reign, and loot, and just point them in the general direction of the target and they will destroy it. No questions asked. And they have that predatory instinct. Go read up on a paramilitary unit called Arkan's Tigers. They were the baddest of the bad, career criminals, but they were the best fighting unit Serbia had in the '90ies.
>>13972044
That's what killed him, too. He was too naive to see Kycilia and Gihren's scheming.
>>13972081
Serbia, though. Shit wouldn't fly in remotely civilized countries.
>>13968389
Those fucking novels, man...I don't know what triggered me more that, the in detail description of pre-cockpit death bodily fluid ejection, or the pubic hair necklace.
>>13972103
It worked for Germany in WWII, it would work anywhere.
>>13972122
>>13972081
>>13972017
>>13971988
Back your shit up with real evidence or I'm going to get some /k/ommandos in here to slap your shit after they're done eating their cum laced brownies.
>>13972300
Bring'em! I bet none of them even met a bloodhound
>>13972300
I know /m/ is a slow board, but I'm still waiting for those /k/ommandos
>>13967293
>>13971937
Addittionally, you could see Gundam in it's entirety as being about the wonders and goodness of the world being twisted by human evil.
The colonies, a symbol of humanity's new found dominance of space, and liberation from their confinement to earth, are abused and weaponized for colony drops.
Mobile construction workers, which allow for unprecedented industrial advancement, are abused and weaponized into genocidal war machines, the Gundam being the ultimate fulfillment of this twisted nature, it is the 'white devil' the ultimate representation of wonder technology put to use for the purposes of evil and destruction.
Zeon's idealism, the good and pure desire for liberty and equality, was twisted and weaponized into an aggressive and genocidal force.
newtypes, the ultimate achievement of human connection and spiritual existence are twisted and weaponised.
and later the even more perverted cyper newtypes, abusing and twisting human beings themselves into weapons (beyond the mere fact that they're all forced to be soldiers anyway)
>>13971836
>>13972025
There was also that point at the begginning of X where the satellite cannon killed a bunch of people at once, which completely broke the newtype girl.
>>13973002
maybe it gonna take them 20 episode to reach /m/
>>13967150
In a weird way, yes, they can feel the "pressure" of a pilot's mind and soul, particularly that of another newtypes.
>>13972118
What novels are you talking about?
>>13974081
The Gundam novelizations.
>>13971836
>Can we overwhelm their feelings? Can we make a abloobloobloo-flashbang that sends out crippling "emotional waves" to overwhelm their senses?
That's part of how how Katejina lost to Usso. So theoretically you could do that.
You just have to somehow store and weaponize the essences of death and suffering or of protection and love depending on which flavour of newtype you're fighting.
>>13971836
well amuro got pretty messed up when lalah died, and was in tears screaming about how everyone was melting into a white light when gihren used the solar ray, so that might be a possible out
>>13974938
Having to commit war crimes just to temporarily neutralize one enemy ace is a bit overkill, don't you think? It's certainly not a practical option,
Eventually you run out of people to war crime.
>>13974940
>Having to commit war crimes just to temporarily neutralize Amuro is Ok.
Look at Char, He kill Amuro by dropping a fuck huge asteroid on Earth.
>>13971836
>Can we overwhelm their feelings? Can we make a abloobloobloo-flashbang that sends out crippling "emotional waves" to overwhelm their senses?
That's what Angel Halo did. It fucked with Uso so badly that he started drifting in and out of reality during a battle and started daydreaming about spying on Shakti taking a shower with Karlmann in a river.
>>13975014
Angel Halo was a newtype superweapon controlled by one of the most powerful newtypes in existence (and later by her daughter), a massive psycoframe superstructure which used tens of thousands of latent newtypes as batteries.
It was powerful enough to affect even non newtypes and could have feasibly been used to kill everything on Earth with sentience.
>>13975024
It was designed to kill all of humanity still on Earth, that much isn't in question. The thing about it affecting newtypes like Uso is actually more of a bonus effect than anything else, because it wasn't specifically meant to be an anti-newtype weapon. While Uso is hallucinating and daydreaming in the middle of a battle, Odelo, Tomache, and the zanscare enemies aren't affected at all because they weren't sensitive enough to perceive the Angel Halo's mind-numbing/fucking effects at that distance.
>>13975014
So what faction has the most deadliest, OPiest Superweapon ever /m/?
>>13967111
>ctrl+f attrition
>no results found
A system is only as good as its weakest component, and, in the context of the question, the weakest component in a mobile suit is obviously the pilot himself. If you force him to fight at the highest levels of concentration for hours (example scenario: close quarters combat in an urban environment full of mines and IEDs), he will eventually make a mistake due to stress + fatigue and be defeated.
>>13975361
>ctrl+f roberto bros
Go watch their fight against the Meijin. A combination of using decoys, IEDs, both long-range sniping and close quarters gun combat, even using yourself as bait so footsoldiers can place C4 on Meijins bot. They only lost because the plot demanded it
>>13967293
good post
