Mari "Master of foreshadow" Okada
>>13933496
Not gonna lie, the death flags in this show are really fucking obvious, like Victory Gundam levels of obvious.
>>13933600
Yeah but this time it the men getting all killed and the women just having one getting killed off.
>>13933496
Let's be fair now, it's clear that Okada is barely writing this show.
>>13933614
Pretty sure they kicked her off after the eighth episode of being in space and doing nothing.
>implying there's anything wrong with deathflags
Fafner had tons of them and you still cream yourself over it, AOTY, best mecha anime in years, etc.
I'm really sad now. I was hoping Biscuit was gonna crawl out of there and get robot legs.
>>13933667
But the writing, it's so masterful.
Like Rina offering Sui her ass an episode after her brother died with everything brushed aside in a pep talk from beyond the grave.
>>13933667
>Fafner had tons of them and you still cream yourself over it, AOTY, best mecha anime in years, etc
No-one even watches Fafner except for a small amount of Fafnerfags
Anyone with taste would have either dropped in the first season or would have been too nauseated by Hirai character designs to watch it in the first place
>>13933841
Yes, no one watches it, that's why it got two series and a movie so far.
goddamnit I know he had more death flags than you can count but his death's gonna depress me all day.
>>13933496
>Suddenly out of nowhere Cookie and Cracker shown waiting for Biscuit who later Mushashi'ed
>Not Cookie and Cracker getting killed while Biscuit thinks about them
So , basically Mikazuki X farm confirmed
>>13933881
Nobody on /m/ watches it. I don't think I've seen a single Fafner thread that wasn't a general.
>>13933496
Did they fug?
>>13933496
Why do people blame Okada?
She has barely written any episodes.
Blame Nagai the director.
The Director in Japanese anime is the leader of the anime.
He is the one who has to okay every script, idea, story point and design.
He is the one who decides how the show progresses, who lives, who dies etc..
Nagai is the CREATIVE force on the show not Okada.
>>13934158
> 2006 - Honey and Clover II
> 2007 - Idolmaster: Xenoglossia
> 2008 - Toradora!
> 2009 - Toaru Kagaku no Railgun
> 2011 - Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai
> 2011 - Kaitō Tenshi Twin Angel
> 2012 - Ano Natsu de Matteru
> 2013 - Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S
> 2015 - The Anthem of the Heart
> 2015 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
>>13933496
I knew he was going to die as soon as the episode started.
That fucking position were in made the Guntank positions in 08th MS team look like a sound decision.
>>13934183
I knew he was in danger with the episode preview, but the way the episode started really spoiled everything
You know what day it is in Japan today.
Biscuit Day
>>13934158
Got to love Nagai Space.
>Biscuit gets killed by a villain that I can't take seriously
This just feels weird. They should have thought this one through better.
>>13933921
I can't believe someone is able to feel depressed over the death of an IBO character. Not to mention all the obvious deathflags.
>>13934231
Yes, it's so strange. It's like people had different emotional reactions to the shows they watch and enjoy.
>>13934275
Some people believe /m/ is a hivemind. Some people are also stupid.
>>13934275
Poor taste is definitely a factor as well.
>>13934275
That's understandable in a show with good characters and writing. But being depressed for a whole day about fucking Biscuit dying is just pathetic and baffling.
>>13934309
Happens all the time. Remember all the 'muh Barara' crying, or when the loli looking girl from The Fool died. Or Lelouch's death. Evol's Jin...
>>13934329
Or when Kamina died.
>>13933496
I don't mind deathflags, but these were FAAAAR too heavy handed. Fumitan wasn't this bad. Heck, not even Nicol's in Seed were this obvious.
I still felt for Orga and Biscuit, but I would have appreciated less heavy handedness.
>>13934571
Nicol didn't even have death flags I don't think
>>13934592
Being the gentle in a squad of assholes was one, i think.
>>13934592
nicol had a talk with athrun where he starts talking about his family and hobbies for no reason, an episode or two before he dies
thus the awkward dialogue that athrun was yelling a couple of episodes later
"NICOL WAS 15"
"HE LOVED TO PLAY THE PIANO"
>>13934571
I kind of agree. It kind of makes it seem like they changed their minds and just had him die now rather than later or something. I dunno it was just very blunt.
>>13934695
Yeah, they were so heavy-handed I thought they were going for a subversion of some sort and NOT just kill him. But nope. No subversion.
>>13934592
Also yeah, I guess you're right. It was pretty subtle, when compared with what we see in other shows. The conversation with Athrun, for instance, could just as well just have been the writers starting to prop him up so he can take a more prominent role in the future (say, he changes robots and becomes a more important character or something). It's only in retrospective that they come off as deathflags.
But anyhow, yeah. The Biscuit thing was weird.
>>13933687
me too....or see him get his own mobile suit and all.
>>13934144
i'd say no...this show is really obvious on who's getting pussy or not....
So many death flags I thought it was a ruise.
They never explained why he can mind detect enemy MS in episode 1.
>>13934592
Nicol wasn't even in the third opening which started getting used like 5 episodes before he died. It was obvious.
RIP in peace
https://twitter.com/BiscuitGriffon
Look at that fucking gesture.
Merrybit basically claimed Orga by this point, right?
>>13933496
>The lolis talking about Earth corn.
>First ending show some corn
OKADA!
How does Mika, a guy who goes apeshit when his friends are in danger, get pinned by two goons long enough for pandahair murderbitch to fuck up Biscuit's Mobile Worker?
>>13936263
Same reason Orga decided to enter the center of the battlefield on a mobile worker.
>>13936263
he never really saw biscuit as a friend
>>13936003
Do you really need the concept of Newtypes explained to you?
>>13936310
No, but they didn't really do anything with it and now he's dead.
So, is there any talk on 2ch about this getting a second season?
>>13936319
Oh my god I completely forgot about that! Where has ANY of that shit he did been all this time? Man on top of everything I feel more like they just completely wasted this character. Fuck the archetype they really didn't have to kill him yet.
>>13934158
because in many cases the writer usually gets an extraordinary amount of freedom despite the formal arrangement that you describe. Such examples would be Morosawa on GSD or Okouchi on Geass R2 It really depends on how strong the director is or the reputation of the writer. For example Urobuchi gets his way due to his reputation.
>>13936365
>>13936319
>>13936310
>>13936003
God man, this show had so much promise in its first episode.
Makes me sad.
>>13936012
From the last tweet-
>Well, I may be dead now, but at least I'll never have to watch another episode of Iron-Blooded Orphans.
Savage,absolutely savage.
>>13936069
Which reminds me that I expected to see some mecha horror based on description that Barbatos will "devour" parts of enemy mechs.
>>13937159
lol damn
RIP fatboy, you might have actually been too real to be in this series.
I'm gonna level, to be honest for a while I actually didn't think they were gonna kill him...simply because it was SO OBVIOUS that it made me wonder whether or not they knew how absurdely predictable it was. Like..maybe they were gonna taunt it, but just when you least expect it he actually lives while some other super prominent dies. Can you imagine if it were actually Orga who had died instead of Griffon? Death flags and lead up and all? Now that would have legitimately shocked me.
I was kind of expecting a moment like that at one point, especially since they started building up his character a hell of a lot more than Ryu or Musashi ever got...but I guess they just decided to go the absolute obvious route everyone and their grandma could see coming.
I'll say his death scene was great, but I really can't say whether taking the not only obvious, but exceedingly (and I mean like, Goose in Top Gun level exceedingly) comically obvious route is good writing or not.
I mean...should Death Flags necessarily be followed through with every time? Especially if its a character type who's targetted all the time?
Don't get me wrong I'm not surprised, obviously, just sorta more disappointed they actually did take the overly obvious route in the end.
>>13936024
She has claimed him from day 1.
>preview is biscuit talking about himself
>next episode "to the place of return"
>biscuit dies
>preview is Gali talking about bring Ein back
>next episode "not home yet"
gee such suspense I wonder what would happen, it's not like much progress would be made since appreantly it's another "orphan tears and talks" episode
>>13933496
Foreshadowing the imminent loss of Orga's virginity?
>>13937209
Dude, when I saw Orga was on top of the worker I literally guessed that Biscuit would flip him off to save him while dying himself. Orga was mentioned in the episode summaries so there was no way he was dying.
Where is that Biscuit is only 16 post when we need one ?
>>13937209
>describing the very thing Joss "Quips" Wheedon did in Age of Ultron with the Hawkeye/Quicksilver switch-up
You know what, /m/? Check your writing ideas at the door.
>>13937928
People's enthusiasm for this show dropped so much that they stopped producing OC.
Why didn't Biscuit just punch their mobile suits to death with his huge buff arms?
>>13936512
Okada may be pretty famous, but she's no Urobuchi.
Apparently she wrote that entire Trigger show, they are doing on her own, but the director asked for numerous rewrites when she was done.
It makes sense, since Okada's best work are usually adaptations of other people's material while her original content isn't that numerous.
The Butcher on the other hand is clearly an "author" if you want to call him that.
Saved for prosperity.
>>13937962
He didn't like it?
>>13937957
Okada's best are originals
AnoHana
Hanasaku Iroha
True Tears
Nagi no Asukara
Anthem of the Heart.
>>13933496
This was a very weird episode. Was the enemy meant to be a giant joke? Like, why did they even close in to attack? Couldn't they just have sat back and pelted the three units with artillery fire and gunfire, then just stayed out of reach - whipping beer bottles at them, giving them the finger?
I'm surprised by how terribly ineffectual the bad guys were. I mean, the good guys have...Five units (2 Gundams, 3 customized suits) and a handful of mobile workers on the field. How did they squander their advantages like that?
>>13938006
Well he died.
>>13938552
Well, yes. Carta and her men were supposed to look like jokes.
It's the difference between a battle-hardened unit and a bunch of pampered officers who only dust off their weapons for a military parade.
Those guys were flashy, yet completely ineffective against Tekkadan's pragmatism and fierceness.
They even commented on the fact that the artillery was hitting everything except the mobile suits. Sure they could have kept trying, but they were also within range of Akihiro's weapons. The commander only had his mobile suits on standby until his ship received a direct hit at which point they abandoned the idea of taking them down with long range weapons.
Another mistake was sending the bulk of your landing party to go after the location where they assumed Kudelia was. That explosion took out everybody that had managed to gain a foothold on the island.
You may think this is far fetched, but a lot of battles are lost due to the ego or incompetence of the commanding officers.
I recommend you read Flashman one of these days.
>>13938552
>>13938620
This. It actually makes sense why Tekkedan wiped out Carta's group (don't forget to factor in the aligned vaginas as well). I'll give them credit for that. What doesn't make sense is why the fuck Orga and Biscuit were hanging around in plain sight. It's obvious that the only reason they were there was so they could kill off Biscuit. Very contrived.
>>13938660
Well, Carta probably wouldn't have paid them any mind if she didn't hear the radio transmission due to being in direct contact with Barbatos at the moment.
Not saying it was a good idea to move in that close, but it wasn't like they had painted a a crosshair on the mobile worker.
Plus they probably didn't expect Carta to abandon all rational and charge after them with no regard for her own life either.
>>13938699
>but it wasn't like they had painted a a crosshair on the mobile worker
Yeah, it was just an orange little box on grey concrete. Who would ever spot that, right?
Did you rike it?
>>13938729
That's not what I meant.
The mobile worker has a low threat level compared to a fucking Gundam.
Nobody expected Carta to disengage the Barabatos and chase after small fry, which she probably wouldn't have done if she hadn't caught the transmission.
And even so, it was a boneheaded, unthinking move, since she left herself wide open for an attack from the Barabatos mere seconds later.
Mika even asks her what: "What are you doing?!" through clenched teeth while he's beating her to shit, not just because she just killed a close friend, but also because it was an illogical move on her part.
![[Underwater-Vivid] Nagi no Asukara 13 - Fingertips Beyond Reach (TV 720p) [3539DF01].mkv_snapshot_06.34_[2016.02.29_23.51.04].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vw0CFqn.jpg "[Underwater-Vivid] Nagi no Asukara 13 - Fingertips Beyond Reach (TV 720p) [3539DF01].mkv_snapshot_06.34_[2016.02.29_23.51.04].jpg")
>>13937935
In what way was Hawkeye/Quicksilver bad?
The christmas keiki is going out of control. We may not be able to contain her for much longer.
I might have to pick up IBO again.
>>13936069
This is gold
>Episode 20
Nothing happens
>21
Biscuit gets killed by a prank villain
This is like, Thunderbolt levels of bad writing.
Finally bothered to watch this episode and the last. Despite being a better fight than the ones in space, there were too many moments where half of Carta "looks like a wet shart-a" Issue's gang is literally standing around doing nothing while Mika kills the other half, or when Mika charges that one guy in the formation and the rest bypass him... What did they expect was going to happen? Or when Mika is held back by those two thugs JUST until Biscut dies, at which point he throws them off like nothing.
Anyway the show's battle are really strange, in a bad way. They don't feel realistic or that characters are making realistic decisions.
>>13940606
Thunderbolt may not be the greatest but it sure as fuck blows IBO out of the water
>>13940693
I think they're both pretty bad in different ways.
If I had to pick one to eliminate from existing it'd probably be TB as an anime. It's fine as a dumb spinoff what-if manga in a different style but as part of the Gundam animated canon it shouldn't be.
I haven't watched for a few episodes, I think since the one with the Rebake and Kimaris debut.
Has anything happened since then? How'd biscuit get baked?
>>13940727
They flipped the biscuit
>>13940704
It's not actually canon even animated it's a fucking 0079 spin off if TB is canon then 0079 can't be canon as the OYW goes on longer in TB than in 0079
>>13940771
That's not what I meant.
When I say 'animated canon' I mean the animated Gundam series that EXIST. Why the shit does trash like Thunderbolt get to be animated, of all things? It's just to sell Gunpla models that they already made and appease edgelords like the worst of /m/.
>>13940727
He and Orga were riding around in a mobile worker giving orders and stupidly parked out in the open. Enemy leader was mad at all her men getting killed by a bunch of kids and noticed their MW and took advantage of it. Biscuit tells Orga to let go of the handle bars he's using to hold on and jerks the worker to shake him free and send him flying before the worker gets hit. Biscuit dies crushed under the worker.
>>13940781
because it looks cool
>>13940786
Gundams look cool. Personally I don't like the TB designs of Mobile Suits. Either way, tt's not enough to justify an ONA, especially when Unicorn is still fresh in everyone's memory. You can have mech porn AND a good story, you don't have to pick just one.
>>13939057
She'll take Orga's virginity one way or another!
>>13938820
Because Joss Wheedon is less subtle than even Okada.
Hawkeye's constant "Oh boy, only 2 before I retire. Gee Whiz, I can't wait to spend time with my pregnant wife!" was so transparent bait, that it insulted the audience .
The only thing worse than playing a cliche straight is nudging you in the ribs about how cleverly you're subverting it!
I'd rather have a genuine, honest idiot, rather than one that thinks he's oh so clever.
>>13940802
>You can have mech porn AND a good story,
which unicorn does not fit
>>13940606
>Episode 20
>Nothing happens
I feel like /m/ is being overrun by adrenaline junkie idiot teenagers or something.
>>13940862
It's not too different from traditional UC stuff (for better or worse) so I find it to be pretty good. Characters are a lot better than the over-arching plot and events in Unicorn.
>>13940871
Okay, well, Biscut/Orga's conflicting ideas and the general weirdness of the Oceanic Man were kind of interesting to watch. And I was happy to see someone mention the word 'mobile suit' more than once. But 20 was mostly a setup for an okay 21.
WHAT DID I FUCKING SAY
>Fumitan didn't get ORPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANs when she died
>>13940983
The moment this Musashi-lookin' motherfucker was revealed in the preview material we all knew he wasn't gonna make it.
>>13933496
The only thing being foreshadowed here is some hard fucking.
>>13942257
if the writers chicken out of showing them leaving the same room together in the morning, let's collectively agree that they fucked anyway.
>>13942218
He's the Piggy of their Lord of the Flies.
As blatant as the death flags might have been, I really enjoyed the episode. Really liked how they handled Biscuit's last moments.
That said I'm really fucking glad I always skip the episode previews.
>>13933841
>>13933980
>It's these fags again
>>13942257
>het
no way
fujos would riot
>Inb4 Biscuit gets 4 All Vagina systems and comes back to kill Ein
At this point the writing is so bad I could see this happening.
>>13938556
what biscuit really dead now? i did not watch any more after ep 13 or so since it was always the same boring shit, but he was a cool character
The fanart gave it away. The Twitter I use to follow Japanese artists exploded with sentimental Biscuit pics.
>>13938730
It was aight.
>musashi starts to develop
>dies the same episode
>>13942787
>faking Biscuit's death was a part of Orga's keikaku all along because he foresaw Gjallarhorn using aligned vaginas against Tekkadan
At least something interesting would happen.
>>13942787
>>13943830
>you stuffed him in a bodybag but we're not gonna throw him into the sea?
>we can rebuild him
![[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 21 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_20.28_[2016.03.01_20.42.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4YOxLiG.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 21 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_20.28_[2016.03.01_20.42.45].jpg")
Yes, let me just casually sit in the middle of an open RUNWAY in my fucking WORKER while a MOBILE SUIT battle takes place.
Fucking 10/10, I can't believe this is getting a season 2.
I don't know what it is but I haven't been attached to any of the characters/plot in recent gundam series since 00. By this point I was getting all kinds of feels when lockon copped it in 00 and was hyped as fuck for a S2.
But this... nothing...
>>13933923
>Musashi'ed
Lets get real here, Musashi was a fucking badass who took the Getter energy to those dino fucks and killed all of them while dying himself. Biscuit did literally nothing but be a fat whiner and gets crushed piloting some tin can like an idiot. The worst thing is now next episode is going to be everyone crying and Gaelio sucking off Ein.
>Biscuit dying not part of Choco man's keikaku
>>13943976
That's kind of spooky.
>>13943976
now no one can stop him from raping them
>>13943928
Did Brazilian Musashi die the Musashi way?
>>13944083
Yes, he saved everyone.
>>13934231
You obviously weren't here when AGE was airing. People got torn up over ol 'Marked for Death From Frame 1' Yurin. This is nothing new.
>>13944293
To be fair I'll admit that it was only sad because she was cute.
>>13944293
Oh god that was awful. It was painfully obvious she was a Lalah from the get-go and who Asemu's mother would be, but people still beat the drum of those "EMILY IS A SILVER MEDAL" and "DOOMED TO LOVELESS MARRIAGE" memes.
It was set up the exact same way as Shinn with Stellar and Luna. And Kamille with Four with Fa. There was always an inevitable love interest who just hung around being mostly if not outright useless, and an otherworldly interloper who was too ethereal to live. It's just how Japan does it - girl next door always wins, exotic girl always loses.
>>13944327
>DOOMED TO LOVELESS MARRIAGE
Well I mean they weren't wrong.
>>13943905
You weren't paying attention. Consider Biscuit's arc: we start the series thinking he's just some fatass logistician for CGS/Tekkadan, obviously much better off than the rest of the orphans. Not only doesn't he have to risk his life, he's well-fed while everyone else is a stick. Fuck, he's even got a family. It's actually a little strange that he sides with Tekkadan during the CGS coup, considering the plum position he's got with them. Slowly, we learn more about him. He was orphaned tragically. He supports his younger sisters while a brother he never gets to talk to works tirelessly to secure their future (up to and including going all double-agent, and killing himself when it seems to all be for naught). He's constantly at odds with the brash and charismatic leader of Tekkadan, even while his sound strategy and forthright demeanor keeps them afloat time and again; while these fuckin' space rats are scurrying around doing everything they can to get the attention of every cat in the house, he's the one pulling them by their tails back into their holes when things get dangerous. In some ways, it feels like he's not even really a part of Tekkadan. Even he feels that way, and come episode 20, he's ready to call it quits.
Finally, we get to this episode. Despite his inner conflict, he knows he can't let Tekkadan (or Orga, no matter how cockamamie his schemes) down. In a sublimely understated moment, he reveals he's got an Aligned-Vagina too. "Oh shit," says every viewer with a brain, "We've been wrong about him the whole time." Even in the most painful, intimate of ways, he truly is a fellow orphan of Tekkadan. He finally accepts it, takes on the mantle, climbs into a mech... and promptly gets slaughtered.
Damn.
What the hell.
He's easily the most sympathetic character. Even though this is obviously an ensemble show, I'd even put him as the sneak protag. And now this beautiful BBM is gone forever. RIP in piece biscuit.
>>13943905
I cared for Wolf and the BF cast. I cared for Flit. This show though...
>>13944327
>girl next door always wins, exotic girl always loses.
That's only the case in a series like Gundam where there are often cast deaths. If you watch anime actually focused on romance, the mysterious interloper always beats the childhood friend (since generally the main hook of the series is focused on the mysterious girl, anyway).
>>13944327
>and an otherworldly interloper who was too ethereal to live. It's just how Japan does it - girl next door always wins, exotic girl always loses.
Yurin always confused me because she was only really exotic by virtue of lazy writing.
She had no real character or personality to speak of beyond being a straight-out-of-the-box 'Ganbatte!' waifu template.
She was more agreeable to Flit because she had no personality to be found. Even when they had an opportunity to flesh her out, it all got relegated to a montage. The show kept telling us 'She's special to Flit' without ever really giving us a reason to care all that much for her.
>>13944759
>everyone else is a stick
Proofs? Everyone else is ripped as hell. He is too despite his girth, showing that despite his higher education, he does his fair share of physical labor.
>considering the plum position he's got with them
Uhh, not really. Still slave wages and all. Plus these are his best friends, he has grown up with them.
>while a brother he never gets to talk to works tirelessly to secure their future
IIRC he only worked until he could get the others off the colony, since then he has been wage slaving to DA CORPARASHUNS. He never mentioned anything like "but I'm doing this for you/Cookie and Cracker!" so I'm guessing all his work was going into lobbying for the unions, as ineffective as it was.
>he's the one pulling them by their tails back into their holes when things get dangerous
Did anybody ever listen to Biscut? I think Orga kind of ignored most of his shit, the only work he did was financing at the start.
>he reveals he's got an Aligned-Vagina too
What? I thought he had one this whole time. Was it a secret? Have we not been shown this earlier?
>He finally accepts it
He's always been a Tekkadan. Being the rational voice in the crew doesn't mean he felt alienated. He's just worried about them.
He's easily just another overlookable character in the Kudelia Show, even if he was the most sympathetic. You're reading way too much into a somewhat distorted view of the series.
>>13944815
I'm just replying to let you and everyone else know that I'm not actually going to reply to anything that formats their argument like this. It's tedious as fuck, don't do it.
>>13944835
It's a point-by-point argument. I'm saying that these specific things you're pointing out don't really exist outside of your own head. I don't want replies to the substance or opinion of my argument, I want replies to support your claims I listed.
>>13944846
You're nitpicking without substantially connecting your nitpicks to a point more specific than, "I don't like thing." I'm not going to honor that with my time and energy.
>>13944854
My overall argument is that, while the most sympathetic shit in a pile of shits, he isn't what you make him out to be. There isn't any big arc of character, he's just the rational numbers guy who got sidelined once they got a real financier. Then one day, like every other character, he had secret family that he didn't know about (right after Akihiro's reveal, which was shitty on its own but also stole any thunder this reveal could have mustered). The Dort episodes gave us five minutes of exposition on his big brother, then the brother did some things that really hurt Biscut and betrayed them. Then later Biscut had a sympathetic moment and died right afterwards. Granted, this time the long-lost brother thing actually had an impact on Biscut's character for a moment, his decision to leave Tekkadan seemed more of an emotional reaction than anything else. His reasoning, while sound, wasn't much different than what he could have said after the first fight with Gjallerhorn, so it's hard to say how his brother's death really changed him.
He's still a more round (heh) character than basically anybody else in IBO but he's still quite static. He leaves Tekkadan as basically the same person who we saw in the first episode. My "nitpicks" are in support of this.
>>13933841
>being this buttblasted
>>13944915
Now, we're talking.
Biscuit's arc is premised on how he seems to be different from the other characters, and actually, it really is hammered home how that's so, from how his character design contrasts with the other boys', to his family sitaution, to his temperament.
Not only do we perceive it, but he perceives it in himself; that's presumably why he kept his brother (who, actually, he did know about) a secret: in order to keep the gap between him and the human debris from widening further. Biscuit isn't self-important about his role as the voice of reason removed from Orga's reality distortion field, but he is, all the same. He talks Orga back when he can and smooths over the rough patches during things like negotiations. I mean, this his constant role, from the CGS coup through meeting with Teiwaz through the last few episodes.
The end of his arc his decision to get in the trenches with the rest of Tekkadan; to accept the mission and all its hazards as a space rat and not just a bridge bunny. That was dramatic point of him undressing (which is a visual symbol of the orphans' vigor and toughness) and revealing his AV plug (which wasn't even hinted at before). They saved all of that for this episode specifically because it completes his arc.
It's not necessarily a huge change from his point of view. But so many of his interactions with Orga is him trying to get his head around what Orga is trying to do with Tekkadan, while the rest of the boys are following without question. Logically speaking, since he's friends with all of them, his struggle in that regard has to go deeper than mere self-preservation.
>>13945370
Most of what you're calling his arc simply looks like, to me, the nature of his character. Yes, he's the fat kid in the group of ripped studs. He's the thinker in a group of doers. He's the polite one, the smart one, the careful one, etc. However the reason for this is that he is a foil for Orga (and ironically comes off as more interesting of a character because Orga is pretty flat) and not much more.
As an orphan, he isn't treated differently than anyone else there. Any distance perceived between him and the others is usually because he's hanging around Orga or doing calculations of something-or-other in the back. He's the numbers guy and the thinker, and everybody else knows it. But they don't treat him differently. Nobody ever gives him a strange look or accuses him of anything despite his differences.
His arc begins when he brings up his brother. His reason for never mentioning it comes down to shitty writing, that's all. But if you want to look into it, then sure, he didn't want to make the others feel bad and distance himself by having a living older blood relative. Still, even after the reveal, there are no hard feelings. No alienation.
cont.
>>13945370
>>13945579
So his arc begins with his brother. What happens over the course of this arc? What changes?
Not much. In a character arc, the character themselves must change. Otherwise it is just a focus episode. If we observe the Biscut who left Dort, there isn't much different about him. He's still the negotiator (but not really because Orga steps all over him), he's still the numbers guy (except he hasn't been since Merribit, I think), and he's the rational voice (his only role left, which is there not for influencing the plot but to provide a self-insert for the viewer's incredulity of Orga's plans). You could really say that this isn't even the start of his arc, simply the start of his focus. He isn't visibly changed by his brother's betrayal, as sad as it is for him.
cont, just hitting word limit
>>13945370
>>13945579
>>13945648
I love it when my internet goes down.
His real change begins soon before his death, like most characters in the show. Finally, Orga's plan has actually fucked up. The old man isn't worth a damn to them because of the exile. Orga wants to do this and that but Biscuit has to draw the line. With news of his brother's suicide, Biscuit is emotionally shaken, even scared. He wants to go home and leave the world of death and destruction behind and do odd jobs on Mars with Tekkadan, essentially backing out of the spirit that the group prides itself in. So he says he'll leave. But when a battle lands on their doorstep, what can he do? He has to defend his friends and this time he has to take a front seat because Orga needs him.
Yes, I do think they saved all the undressing and AV for this episode, but only to highlight the impact of him fighting for the first time. Some people thought he was just a fatass and this part would prove them wrong. But there isn't much of an arc to be completed. It's nothing more than a death flag: the guy who never fights has to go out in an emergency situation to help save the day.
You said so yourself: it's not much of a change from his point of view, and it's not much of a change from anybody else's. Just because we didn't see these things happening on-screen doesn't mean that Biscuit hasn't been pulling his weight, so how is it any change in his character? What about that constitutes a character arc?
Done.
>>13945370
>that's presumably why he kept his brother (who, actually, he did know about) a secret:
Ssssh, I will tell you a little secret: it is called SHIT WRITING.
It certainly seemed like they were maybe starting a character arc with Biscuit to me, but it didn't go anywhere since they abruptly killed him off.
Maybe that was the point, although it would have been kind of interesting if he had the chance to develop into a growing foil for Orga. Like, Orga's ambition starts getting more and more unwavering, and Biscuit being both "the reasonable guy" and actually, legitimately caring about the well being of everyone more than their shot at glory would get more and more confrontational about Orga's more devil-may-care decisions eventually driving a wedge within tekkaden's commanding ranks as more members start to die.
I kind of thought that was the direction they were headed, since I sort of felt like maybe Biscuit would have to eventually deal with a similar situation his brother was in.
I think it would have been interesting because as of now, Orga really has no disagreeing foil to deal with, since Mika might as well be his unquestioning right hand right now and no one else really questions him harshly. But I guess it doesn't matter now.
I do think they could have gotten a lot more value by keeping Biscuit around a bit longer (it'd make his death maybe A LOT more poignant later) for sure though.
>>13946332
Maybe if they started that forever ago and Orga wasn't a hero who got through everything with minimal losses who also cared about muh FAMILY because muh aniki told him so.
>>13934196
>"Man, I sure hope my looking like Musashi doesn't get me in trouble!"
>>13933614
>Horrible dialog
>Obvious deathflags
>Exposition literally designed for retards
>Contrived drama
>Love triangles
>No actual character development or characterization, just characters saying "X character is so Y!" over and over
How is that not 100% Okada? It's exactly the kind of garbage she writes.
>Mika goes crazy any time his friends are in trouble
>Enemy commander literally kills his friend
>He non-fatally attacks her, but decides that just this once he won't kill them
>Despite it being the enemy commander who also killed one of his best friends
Yup. Can't wait till she comes back and fucks them up again in the future despite him having been in a position to stop her from ever getting in their way again. It makes about as much sense as casually strolling around the battlefield in a lightly armored worker while a major battle is going on that your team is completely dominating.
>>13943869
>THEY SEE ME ROLLIN'
>>13933496
The next 4 episodes would be Orga doubting his decision and talk over and over.
>>13946909
So business as usual?
He has about 4 different scene types, happy cause family, doubt, cockiness and desire to know more. He just goes through the same cycle all the time
>>13946909
Don't forget "everyone will talk about how awesome and inspirational Kudelia is."
>>13946332
I'm glad the fat fuck died. He was an eyesore.
>>13946341
Maybe, but thats just what I thought they were going for a moment. Slow start but all of this would bleed into the second season.
Didn't work out that way though.
>>13946332
They were too lazy to actually resolve the conflict and develop the characters, so they just killed Biscuit off for shock value. It's absolutely lazy, shitty writing.
>>13947116
>It's absolutely lazy, shitty writing.
In an Okada show? I don't believe you.
>>13946332
>tfw I was sure he was just going to get robo legs until the next episode preview
i hate everything
>>13946526
I get the feeling that they're going to capture Carta and use her as a bargaining chip. The writers practically set it up that way. Mikka has her pinned down, ready to kill her, while Orga is conveniently only a few feet away to tell Mikka to capture her instead. The Japanese grandpa dude kept on emphasizing that she's a Gjallarhorn VIP. Also, she's mysteriously absent in the next episode PV, with the two Gjallarhorn top dogs (McGillis' Dad and possibly Carta's mom) talking with a concerned look on their face shown instead. Her being a POW is a convenient plot excuse for Gjallarhorn to temporarily stop hounding on Tekkadan, which is the reason why the next episode is going to be another drama episode with Biscuit's funeral. It'd also be a convenient excuse to send out Ein's new Graze/Valkyria suit, which has those pincer feet that looks specialized for underwater combat.
>>13940983
>Biscuits N. Gravy dies in lava
If it weren't for Orphans no Namida kicking in, I wouldn't have cared
>>13947548
If it wasn't for that kicking in, I might've cared.
It just made the whole thing over the top.
How will Orga and crew explain all this to Cookie and Cracker when they return to Mars in S2?
>>13947566
>s2
Thanks for the kek. I needed that.
>>13947566
The whole second season is about Orga travelling back to Mars to give the news to Biscuit's family while being chased by McGills for some reason.
>>13947686
Shocking subversion of typical Gundam tropes:
Choco loli isn't a loli at all, he's a gay chubby chaser.
>>13947700
Shocking reversion to standard Gundam staples: His loli is actually a Newtype, McGillis betrays Garma-Garma and his paraplegic friend to reform Gjallerhorn and steal the loli for himself, Orga beats the shit out of his crew while Dorts are being dropped on Earth.
>>13947721
Unfortunately this is 100% more likely to happen
>>13937957
> director asked for numerous rewrites when she was done.
Thank god, I wasn't sure about quality of that show ever since I saw her name attached to it.
>>13947274
>For once in the show Mika doesn't viciously kill an enemy
>This gives Tekkadan more magic leverage
You're right, this will work.
>>13948304
If the director learned from that retard Imaishi, then they've just gotten into the habit of ripping up scripts in fits of autism when a writer hands it to them.
>>13947116
>so they just killed Biscuit off for shock value
And a joke.
>>13946501
Why was M3 good but Tekketsu isn't though?
>>13948932
>M3 good
You're confused.
>>13948936
No, I'm not.
>>13948932
This guy: https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=3611
>>13948947
You definitely are.
>>13948936
You're right, M3 wasn't good, it was great.
>>13948956
No, he's not.
>>13948958
I forget how much shit taste there is on this board sometimes.
>>13948964
He definitely is.
>>13948967
I'm destroyed by your masterful argumentative skills. You've truly proven to us that your opinion is objectively correct.
>>13948977
And no amount of sarcasm will fix your shit taste.
>>13948967
>>13948984
Nice opinion, faggot.
>>13948984
>>13948967
>>13948936
You sound mad, doggie.
>>13949017
>>13949024
>S-Stop saying the shit show is shit!
>>13949024
Hey, what's EVOL got to do with this, senpai?
>>13948936
>stop liking things I don't like
>>13949044
Who are you quoting, senpai?
>>13949058
That's called paraphrasing. Welcolme to 4chan.
>>13946960
>IF KUDELIA WAS LEADING US THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, ORGA!!!!
>>13949092
>Kudelia: "I think this was a sad thing that we should prevent. Let's help people!"
>Every other character: "Let's hold an international conference to talk about what an inspiration our glorious Goddess is, and how she can end all wars and world hunger."
>>13933496
>Master of foreshadow
>shading in the foreground is subpar
This is not the MLAIOS I know.
so what is the evidence for there being a season 2
>>13949065
Who are you quoting, senpai?
>>13949181
Shadow-Darkened Orphans is probably the most uninteresting MLAIOS series yet. The mecha only cast shadows once every couple of episodes and when they do it's horribly choreographed and poorly animated. They blow their battle budget each episode on a still drawn by Obari of the mech looking at its own shadow. The rest is flat tones with no shading in sight and completely off-model shadows. The biggest sin imo was making the series spend so much time in space where the mechs have nothing to cast their shadows on. It'll all be forgotten in a few months, thankfully.
>>13949217
Reminder that shitposting with "Who are you quoting?" is a bannable offense.
>>13949225
Being a shitposter certainly is, retard.
>>13949287
Is English not your first language or are you actually retarded?
>>13949313
Are you a mental invalid?
>>13949352
>Can't form an original thought
>Just parroting short phrases without addressing what was asked
ESLfag it is.
>>13949355
Who are you quoting, invalid-kun?
>>13949191
OST posted to Amazon was listed as Season 1
A recent Daisuki episode summary mentioned the build up to the conclusion of the first half.
Damn, bros. This one hit me pretty hard - perhaps because his death was uneventful and nondramatic. Would it be a stretch to state that this was the saddest death in gundam lore since Bernie's death? Perhaps I just hit the sauce too hard after watching this episode.
>>13950019
H...how much Gundam have you watched? I can name 5 off the top of my head that were sadder.
>>13950111
>H...how much Gundam have you watched?
He's an IBOfag, so probably just Wing when he was younger and nothing else.
>>13950111
I can name five from Victory alone, even though a few were kind of melodramatic they still had more impact.
>>13950162
Why bother shitposting? He would have outed himself on his own, there's no reason to interject worthless posts like this.
>>13949378
>OST posted to Amazon was listed as Season 1
Which was referring to episodes 1-13, there's a similar listing for the G-Reco OST
>Daisuki
Kek
>>13950162
Not that anon, but I think IBO has been the best TV Gundam since 00S1, and I've seen all but ZZ. It's not the best shit ever, but is Gundam ever the best shit ever? The story's been decent, the slower pace isn't nearly as bad as everyone says (I'm enjoying it), the fight choreography is fucking great. Seriously, I loved this episode, it's one of the best fight scenes in a few years.
IBO is great. Not Top 5 Gundam great, probably not Top 10, but it's better than at least half the other series.
>>13950255
>the fight choreography is fucking great
That's the craziest shit I've heard all week and I'm arguing with Black_Knight.
>>13950255
The story is absent for most of the show and the fights have been trash. Do you remember how terrible the fights against Brewers were? I love how you didn't even mention characters because those are some of the worst in the franchise. Every single Gundam series has at least 1 death sadder than Biscuit's. Even AGE had way sadder deaths.
>>13950172
Kate was fucking brutal. That was sad. That shit right there is one of the most fucked up deaths ever.
>>13950314
Oh I'm sorry, should we just watch them stand around and shoot beams at each while they barely move? Grabbing each other, watching the mobile suits actually interact has been wonderful, and the no beams has been great in addition to that.
>>13950345
I've not disliked any of the fights so far. Thunderbolt has been better, Unicorn wasn't, AGE wasn't, and Reconguista wasn't.
And no, the characters aren't stellar. But hey, Orga's fucking cool and Mikazuki turned out to be slightly deeper than the puddle I stepped in on the street. Kudelia is awful like literally every female in Gundam for the last 20 years (Turn A aside), and the side cast is mostly enjoyable. Not great, not bad. Better than anything else Sunrise has shit out in the last decade.
I'm not trying to push forth IBO as some golden age of Gundam, but after AGE and Reconguista it's just nice to have something isn't garbage. AGE had a decent 2nd arc, and Reconguista just shat itself around episode 10. At the very least IBO has been pretty fucking consistent.
>>13950255
>the fight choreography is fucking great.
Either IBOfags are watching a different show or they're seriously deluded. Has there ever been a Gundam series to have gotten praised for doubg absolutely nothing?
>>13950439
> AGE wasn't
You're full of shit or haven't actually watched AGE. AGE had great fights.
>B-b-but beams!
So instead of beams we get physical weapons that just plink off of things in space with no really tracer or anything to tell the trajectory of the shot. Them doing an all physical weapon Gundam series while keeping the series mostly in space was retarded. Suits don't even move great. They just dash around in static poses.
>>13950453
>doubg
*doing
>>13950465
>AGE had great fights.
Part 1 sucked. Stand around, get shot at, get your alternate parts, win.
Part 2 was good. I liked it.
Part 3 was okay, but once the FX came along it was just boring. Bits are boring.
IBO has been interesting. The lack of fights every other episode keep the fights feeling fresh and bring a sense of weight. Almost every fight has brought the suits together and actually interacting with each after the first couple of shots. Seriously, how many fights have gone by without seen the suits bang up on each other at least once? One fight? Hell, I fuckin' love seeing the Barbatos run up to other suits to hit them with their stick. It's so much more satisfying than seeing a weightless beam saber just cut through.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want every series to be like IBO, but it's just such a fresh change of pace that even if it's only a solid 7/10 it's better than everything else we've gotten.
But that's fine. Because once the next Gundam starts airing, after the 3rd episode everyone's going to be talking about everything IBO did better than whatever it does.
>>13950453
I think its the need to save face at this point. I mean look at this jackass>>13950439 not once did he explain what makes IBO this best Gundam anime since 00 yet we're suppose to believe it is because its lived by casuals and retards. He also has to lie his ass off to convince he's right. Maybe IBO will be treated as Wing is now after its finished but I doubt it since its a lot of people first Gundam.
>>13950488
>IBO has been interesting. The lack of fights every other episode keep the fights feeling fresh and bring a sense of weight.
We really need to make a collage of all the stupid shit IBOfags say.
>>13950488
>and bring a sense of weight
This literally doesn't happen in the space fights.
>Part 1 sucked. Stand around, get shot at, get your alternate parts, win.
You mean to tell me that the Graze's Mikazuki was killing outside of the colony weren't doing this? They weren't even moving. He was able to fly up to them and slap them around.
>>13950439
Do you pay attention to the fights at all? Besides the fact that basically every battle in space was dogshit, even the ones on Earth haven't been good.
>>13945587
Look at that. Is this good choreography to you? Just because they're grappling doesn't mean this is well done. He stops swinging when his head is grabbed and then uses his other hand to grab Rebake's arm. Then when Rebake pulls out his two extra arms, the Graze's arm is at his side doing nothing, waiting for Akihiro to destroy him like the good mook he is.
A lot (and STILL not all) of the bad choreography in this episode could boil down to Carta's crew being a vanity division rather than a decent fighting force. As in, stupid enough to charge in formation with no plan regarding what to do when they actually reach Barbatos, or Carta and her two boys sitting on the sidelines posing while the rest get the shit beat out of them, yet she has the gall to cry out when they get hurt or die? Or how about any time Barbatos is on screen with a Graze?
But that would come back to shit writing anyway because it's nothing more than an excuse. So pinning it on Carta being incompetent would show that two divisions of this show are garbage. There is a big difference between the show pointing out these flaws and using them to its advantage and using an excuse like that as a crutch.
>>13950497
Or you could not act like Reddit.
>>13950488
>Seriously, how many fights have gone by without seen the suits bang up on each other at least once?
Didn't the latest episode have them holding off waves of mobile suits just by shooting them into the water? Not to mention almost anything that's shot with the Smoothbore rifle gets instantly incapacitated.
And Barbatos one-shotting grunts with a metal stick is no different than any other Gundam one-shotting grunts with a beam saber.
>>13950491
>>13950453
>still posting the same two webms
>despite the fact that the G-Reco clip isn't at all impressive apart from the CG particle effects and that Tomino felt the need to have a character narrate the exact actions that the audience can see on screen.
G-Retards, everybody.
The reason IBO's fights are more memorable is because the audience actually has the feeling that something is at stake in every encounter. They're tactical battles where even the non-combatants play a vital role in ensuring victory and the soundest strategy wins.
That's what makes them memorable, while G-Reco seldom does more than send out the mobile suits, bumble around for a bit, then have Bellri kill all the mooks. Pretty, yet repetitive and boring.
>>13950919
>the audience actually has the feeling that something is at stake in every encounter.
No. That went out the window when Yamagi didn't die.
They clearly bitched out of a death they didn't telegraph months in advance. In fact, they couldn't have made it clearer they did so even if they tried.
>>13950919
>The reason IBO's fights are more memorable is because the audience actually has the feeling that something is at stake in every encounter.
No, no and no.
It's only now that they've finally remembered that it's a war story and people who aren't faceless mooks should probably be at risk of dying in in combat, and Biscuit's death was telegraphed from a country mile away. Tekkadan have had it easy ever since they left Mars, or if I want to be generous, ever since they ran into the Turbines. Facing the walking mess of incompetence that is Carta as their primary Earth-based opponent has only made it simpler.
>>13950919
>because the audience actually has the feeling that something is at stake in every encounter
Like when Tekkadan defeated pirates without any important loss or the lazy atmospheric reentry or when they met Fedora Fellini's harem and nobody got hurt or when Kranck died like a bitch or now that they met a joke character and are surely going to take her hostage to make their own lives easier?
>>13950919
>They're tactical battles where even the non-combatants play a vital role
The most tactical they get is we come from one direction and someone comes from another. The show isn't even good at keeping a sense of scale or placement, suits just zip around like crazy and people are placed wherever they feel like not going for logical movement around the battlefield. The smartest their plans have gone involve the ships running head first into stuff and magically never getting a scratch of visible damage. Ten other ships couldn't shoot them down cause they had one in front, they are that bad a shot. I guess no one had ever tried to get to earth before and had a shield (also as a side note it is really stupid in a world that is melee focused about 3 suits have shields)
IBO battles just come down to Mika charging in and sometimes covering fire actually hitting. Mika doesn't use any smart tactics or use things in inventive ways because all he has is a bashy club and a gun. Hell NotGarma's suit whole thing was it charges at you really fast. IBO is completely dry of any inventive weaponry or standard weaponry being used in clever ways, the smartest they get with it is throwing it.
People like to complain that Greco's villains weren't serious enough but at least they got kills, had plans go well/semi successful and got what they wanted sometimes. The gjallarhorn failed at mars (land and space), brewers 100% lost, gjallarhorn plan failed at the colony the dort workers getting exactly what they wanted and now we have NotHaman who is the biggest joke character yet. NotChar's actions so far has been one fight that was at best a draw and then he flew around in his other suit for a bit. Say what you want about Mask but he got kills, completed missions like make contact with dorette fleet and g-it plus his failures were actually part of his character that was used to drive him.
>>13950255
>IBO is great
No it's really fucking bad.
>>13951260
I wish somebody translated all these.
>>13950919
10/10
This is the best fucking bait I've ever seen. Honest to God anon, all the subtlety right down to the goal post shifting where you go from claiming there's good choreography (there isn't) to claiming the audience is emotionally involved in the fights (we aren't) is just brilliant. And claiming it's just good instead of the greatest was a nice touch to make it somewhat believable. Honestly, you're a master of your craft. No one baits this well nowadays.
>>13950255
00S2 >>>>>> IBO
ITT /m/ pretends its opinion matters while the rest of the internet enjoys something they don't (again)
>>13951301
I already seen this board be full of shit, but this time /m/ is right.
This series is horrible, in lots of ways. The pace is horrible, the battles are one sided, the characters are bland, it's full of bad made exposition and lost siblings.
Jesus, IN MY OPINION, this is probably the worst Gundam to ever been made until now, and I watched Try!
I think the shock wouldn't be so big if it wasn't the name Gundam on it, but if was for that, nobody would even watch it.
If the rest of the internet like it, well, good to them. But they still like a terrible and badly constructed series. I want to see some few months from now, when the series ends, and /a/, who love it so much, will start to say that the series was shit, like they do with the majority of the ongoing animes they watch and hype about.
I really dont give a damn if your post was a bait, I generally does not post on the threads and only wanted to release some steam. If you thing my post is just me shitting on the series and could t be faced as real argument against the show; Dont worry chap, just go some post above, you can read some better posts, with better arguments than mine.
>>13951301
>Katze
this is going meta
>>13951367
Doubly so, since /m/ is the only place on the internet that maintains that Gatchaman Crowds is a piece of shit for not following the crappy 70s cartoon it took its name from.
>>13951301
/m/ is made up of old codgers and hipsters, no one here should be taken seriously.
>>13951358
Anyone else feel IBO's fanbase are the new SEEDfans?
is it just.. 2 people in this thread arguing with each other?
>>13951790
>>13955692
likely.
say what you want, Graze High Grades are fun to mod the shit out of.
and right now, they supah cheeep.
There is still hope this series can be exposed for this shit it is and I will explain in song.
Go! Run like the typhoon!
Geeks of fate, slide into darkness!
Why do you watch this? Ask your autism!
Things like crap and boredom must be lost!
Born from failure, hiding in filth, the lackluster must be slain!
Because what you do cannot be done by others!
Go! Run like the typhoon!
Gundam otaku!
Put your all into it!
Smash it with your critiques!
Make Gundam shine again!
2chaaaaaaaan!
>>13957810
I sure hope that people don't get into a "the show is bad so you aren't allowed t like the designs" mentality.
I feel like the fact that there are so many Graze variations that it's souring people on the base design even if it's perfectly good.
>>13957844
This needs a rewrite.
Go! Run like the typhoon!
Geeks of fate, slide into darkness!
Why do you watch this? Ask your valor!
Things like crap and boredom must be slain!
Yami Iron! Yami Blood! Yami Orphans!
Because what you do cannot be done by others!
Go! Run like the typhoon!
Gundam otaku! Put everything into it!
Smash it with your critiques!
Make Gundam shine again!
Bonus round, make it Japanese!
行き!台風のように実行します!
宿命のオタク、暗いの中に乗ります!
なぜあなたはこれを見ていますか?頼むきみの勇敢な魂!
がらくたと退屈のようなものが殺されなければなりません!
闇アイアン!闇の血!闇孤児!
あなたが何が他の人が行うことができないので!
行き!台風のように実行します!
ガンダムオタク!入れて万事それの中へ!
あなたの批判とそれを破る!
又ガンダムのテカリを作ります!
2chan!
>>13938735
God I hate /m/
>>13951256
no, its fucking great. go fuck yourself
>>13938620
>You may think this is far fetched, but a lot of battles are lost due to the ego or incompetence of the commanding officers.
Actually no I don't. Anyone who's ever been in the Army knows that the brass don't know their ass from a seven year old's unbroken elbow.
>>13958101
Go away Okada, no one's buying your shit.
>>13957930
>台風のように実行します!
You want
>台風のようにラン!
I can't believe they didn't fuck
>>13950919
