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I just noticed they're using projectile canons in this show. Was there technological regression in the time line or what? Is this shit even UC gundam? wtf
>>13892711
Not everything is armored with super Gundam alloy that makes it nigh-impervious to conventional weapons (though I'm sure a Gundam getting hit by those cannons would still take damage), so beams aren't strictly necessary.
And no, IBO isn't UC. If it were, there'd still be a point to physical rounds: beam weapons lose power over distance, especially if Minovsky particles have been spread by their targets, while a normal projectile is going to keep going and not give a shit ever. It's a question of whether or not your target can see your shots to begin with or dodge them in time compared to beams (which are definitely not lightspeed weapons in UC; not even remotely close to 1% of c).
Huh, didn't notice it before but the ships in the background sorta have a bow reminiscent of the Salamis.
>>13892711
>Is this shit even UC gundam
No dumbass. Have you been watching the show? There is no federation/zeon, no mention of anything UC, no Minovsky particles and a new technology called Ahab shit.
I just noticed that this rustbucket can't fly and doesn't even have a GN Drive. Was there technological regression in the time line or what? Is this shit even AD gundam? wtf
>>13892740
Wasn't it mention at some point or in some background material that the Mobile Suits and the ships all have some kind of anti-beam coating and that's why everything in IBO is conventional weapons and solid melee weapons?
>>13892817
No shit you homo. Was there ever any mention of feds or zeon in Victory? Thought so you turn A loving closet homo.
>>13892817
>>13892882
Same autist. Too easy.
>>13893022
Not him but:
>feds
Who do you think was fighting alongside the League Militaire
>zeon
They were mentioned around ep 30.
>>13892711
Is there any other gundam where the ship's main guns are as useless as the ones in IBO?
>>13892711
>Space fleet battle
I'm like 5 episodes behind, is something actually happening now?
>>13893162
nah, just the atmospheric reentry episode but they first had to use some tricks to get around a fleet of incompetent pretty boys.
>>13893162
Yes, its not a fleet battle though and everything that happened was slightly to completely retarded.
Its quicker, cheaper, or both to animate ballistic weapons and their impacts (that rarely do any damage) than it is to animate beams and their effects. IBO is cheap, who knew?
>>13893343
Actually physical does more damage. Beam weapons just OHKO into a pink ball. With the club we have armour plates being deformed by the impact.
>>13892711
Area damage is the only thing you can do in space with simple projectile weapons.
You need laser guided projectiles or laser beams in order to
>>13893724
in order to pinpoint and precise attack.
for a decoration fleet positioned in the most secure space,it's too much of an expenditure.
>>13892711
Technological regression is the name of the game when it comes to Gundam. Why do you think that despite the centuries and millennia that pass between each era, the weapons don't get any more powerful and everybody thinks that they're the first ones to create the mobile suit and Gundam? Each timeline eventually ends up destroying itself, leaving their descendants to pick up the pieces and start all over. It's the whole fucking theme of Gundam, war is endless and humanity is doomed to repeat its history over and over.
>>13893343
With how much experience Sunrise's staff have in animating beams, it would be far easier and cheaper for them to just do another laser show Gundam. It was a conscious decision by the director and writer to make it a ballistics and bludgeons show.
>>13893022
>Was there ever any mention of feds or zeon in Victory?
>feds in Victory
About that...
I'd be fine with ballistic weapons only IF THEY'D BOTHER TO ANIMATE SOME FUCKING TRACERS. Seriously, now the fights are just MS doing flips and explosions just appearing. It would be more interesting to watch if we would see what they are dodging.
>>13892711
op, you're an idiot if you're only now noticing projectile weapons. what made you think that they even developed beam weaponry in the first place? what made you think this might be uc gundam?
>>13893022
>feds in victory
Shit son, one of the Fed glorious moment was in Victory when they ram up all their already 0 resources for war to save mankind
>>13892711
Yes, there is technological regression between every one of the Gundam eras.
>is this shit even UC gundam
Yes and no.
Yes, it's the same universe as everything else that doesn't start with "SD" or "Build". No, it's not Universal Century calendar era, it's Post Disaster calendar era.
This is a weird thing for westerners because we're used to only having BC and AD but the japanese calendar still has different eras (this is what the karate bugmen mean by "Heisei Riders" and "Showa Riders" because we're currently in the Heisei period which followed the Showa period. The calendars in the various Gundam shows are different eras of history, not alternate universes as they were once portrayed.
At some point, every bit of information about mobile suits and space colonies is lost/erased, and this has happened several times because most of the Gundam shows are set shortly after mankind first ventures out into space and builds the first mobile suit (or so they think). Tallgeese, for example, isn't really the first mobile suit. It's the first mobile suit built during the AC era, and they've lost/forgotten the fact that mobile suits existed before back in the UC era. The people of G Gundam seem to not be aware of the existence of previous space colonies, maybe because they were mostly wiped out in the backstory for After War Gundam X.
There's no official statement on which order they happen in. We only know that MSG is first, and that Universal Century begins in the 21st Century AD. We know that Turn-A is 10,000 years later, and that G-Reco is 500 years after that. 00 is probably a century or so after Victory and G-Saviour because they use the AD calendar and AD2300 would be around 300 UC. Everything else has to somehow fit between UC 0223 and UC8000 (the Moonlight Butterfly attack). There have been threads on /m/ before to figure out what order they *might* go in but we don't really know.
No, it doesn't make sense, but it's still the official story.
>>13898625
But 00 is Anno Domini, UC takes place after Anno Domini.
IBO is such a joke.
>>13899184
Guess which series doesn't take place in the same time line as any of the UC stuff?
>>13899184
False. 00's AD is just another timeline that occurred after one of humanity's numerous downfalls. Officially UC takes place after our AD, and all subsequent timelines happen after humanity repeatedly destroys itself and picks up the pieces. Theirs just happens to coincidentally follow a similar timeline of events to our AD, which goes in theme with humanity repeating its history and mistakes over and over.
The only AUs that don't take place within the whole Gundam universe are SD Gundam and Build Fighters.
>>13893139
Yes. Pretty much EVERY Gundam.
Outside of a few plot-mandated exceptions the ships either sit out battles entirely, do nothing of real consequence, or in some cases aren't even armed to start with. And in many cases they charge up their laser only to have it miss entirely or get shot out from under them.
It's somewhat natural to the genre. Don't want the home base outshining the hero, and it makes a handy way to cart around everyone important to him from battle to battle. It's basically his damsel to give battles tension, conveniently save him when needed, and clean up afterwards. It's otherwise so unnecessary that some shows forgo it entirely.
>>13899251
Nahel Argama's Hyper Mega Particle Cannon did a shitload of work both in ZZ and Unicorn. And I'm pretty sure Argama helped blow off a part of the Dublin colony and drive away Puru Two in ZZ (or something like that).
Ra Cailum shot down a minor named character once. And landed on Axis to blow it in half.
I'm also pretty sure the Archangel did some pretty serious work throughout SEED, but my memory is quite fuzzy and I do my best to forget that entire timeline anyways.
Ptolemaios 2 played a pretty integral role in a bunch of actions, including Allelujiah's jailbreak.
Diva was pretty much fucking omnipresent, and Flit managed to single-handedly hold off Desil with just Diva's cannons in that one episode.
There are just as many instances where the main ship does work in Gundam, as there are that it's little better than just being the home base.
>>13899281
Please don't forget that the Reinforce was constantly useful and the White Ark had a pretty good beam shield/ram.
Also, Keilas Guilie.
>>13899281
The point was about ship's main guns being useless, and several of those examples are the aforementioned plot-mandated exceptions. Where they didn't really play much role in nearly any fight, but were used at best once or twice as a plot device.
White Base mostly ever just laid down coverfire for, at best, stock footage of Dopps blowing up. There was also that one time they had to blast a ship out of the way to escape Luna 2, but otherwise those cannons saw little use, let alone effectively.
0080 didn't really have a main ship unless you wanna count the Gray Phantom, which did little more than serve as a platform for Scarlet Team to leap to their doom.
0083? Zakus dancing around Albion's guns? The Albion shooting its BFGs at an HLV only to miss and Gato escapes? The entire naval review? Yeah.
Don't really recall Argama doing much notable either, aside from providing the occasional excuse for a battle to end - shooting off its cannons near the end of an episode to give a reason why an enemy didn't just fight to death too early.
Nahel Argama only showed up at the very end of ZZ and used its cannon as a setpiece to clear off other setpieces. Much the same in Unicorn - it had a whole thing charging up its cannon and shooting it at Palau, just to set the stage for the battle right after. Otherwise the battle was entirely mobile suits.
I guess ZZ had La Vie En Rose shooting its arms at Quin Mantha but that only really came about because Emary nonsensically used it to shield a ship that HAD A GIANT CANNON. And it provided a reason for it and her to be killed off. Not really guns though.
CCA? With Londo Bell shooting all the nukes and getting them wiped right out? Having to actually land the ship and go out in worker pods?
Unicorn that had Sinaju take a few pot shots at the flagship of the federation and drive it into retreat? And most of the Sleeves kind of sit around until they got Solar System'd?
>>13899348
And then of course G where there were barely any ships that weren't background paintings - in many cases their only lineart is the one angle they were shown at for 3 seconds. Those space patrol boats chasing Argo didn't do anything but drive him into a space station.
Likewise with Wing. Libra was a glorified orbital laser and Peacemillion's only way to stop it was to slam its body into it.
>>13899281
Ptolemy 1 didn't have weapons, Ptolemy 2's weapons were so useless they had to have the Gundams stand on deck to shoot shit. Its biggest contribution to the jailbreak was to plunge itself into the sea and kick up a wave.
>>13899348
>The point was about ship's main guns being useless
That's also the point of Mobile Suit in UC. They're agile enough to avoid the aim of ships' main guns and anti-air turrets. So ships became carriers that provide long-range fire support in massive battles.
>>13899379
Precisely. But even then, you get shit like SEED where you have what's apparently an agile, armed-to-the-teeth warship, and the one gun that could clear a whole field they refuse to use because 'muh pollution'. Or it constantly gets shot out.
Archangel in SEED could barely hit anything on Earth, then it gets back to space and gets shut down by its doppleganger, leaving all the actual ship smashing and fleet battling to the midget gunboat that is the METEOR.
Then in Destiny, Archangel becomes some sort of fleet-decimating super submarine. Minerva's captain doesn't have the worry about pollution, but that matters little when suddenly we have shields that block the shot. Minerva ends up either constantly being disarmed or constantly being shrugged off.
We won't even get into the fleet upon fleet of other ships that were little more than giant Leos.
>>13899251
>Outside of a few plot-mandated exceptions the ships either sit out battles entirely, do nothing of real consequence, or in some cases aren't even armed to start with. And in many cases they charge up their laser only to have it miss entirely or get shot out from under them.
Thats not what the question was about. Most ships armed with a primary weapon system were able to damage with them even if they were rarely used.
In IBO all the guns seem to lack any ability to penetrate.
