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Iron Flopping Orphans
BD1 sales:
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/bd/d/2015-12-25/
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/bd/d/2015-12-24/
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/bd/d/2015-12-23/
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/bd/d/2015-12-22/
>2015年12月25日付
>10th
>2015年12月23日付
>4th
>2015年12月22日付
>10th
TV ratings:
鉄血
世帯 個人 KID TEN M1 M2 M3 F1 F2 F3
*2.7 *1.3 *0.1 *1.9 *2.7 *2.4 *0.4 *2.0 *0.7 *1.5 01話
*2.8 *1.6 *1.5 *1.9 *0.8 *4.1 *1.4 *0.2 *1.8 *0.9 02話
*3.5 *1.7 *1.6 *1.9 *1.9 *1.8 *1.0 *1.9 *2.8 *1.5 03話
*2.4 *1.4 *1.3 *0.9 *0.3 *1.7 *2.0 *0.1 *2.7 *0.9 04話
*2.9 *1.7 *1.6 *1.7 *0.9 *2.8 *1.6 *1.1 *2.8 *1.3 05話
*2.6 *1.6 *2.7 *1.0 *2.6 *1.5 *1.9 *2.4 *1.2 *0.7 06話
*2.4 *1.4 *1.5 *0.9 *1.6 *1.8 *2.0 *1.8 *1.6 *0.4 07話
*2.4 *1.4 *0.9 *1.0 *1.0 *2.3 *2.1 *0.9 *1.0 *1.0 08話
*2.4 *1.4 *2.8 *1.0 *0.7 *0.6 *2.0 *0.8 *1.7 *1.1 09話
*2.0 *1.2 *0.6 *1.8 *0.5 *2.9 *0.7 *1.5 *1.4 *1.0 10話
世帯 個人 KID TEN M1 M2 M3 F1 F2 F3
*2.61 *1.47 *1.46 *1.40 *1.30 *2.19 *1.51 *1.27 *1.77 *1.03 平均
The show is absolute garbage.
>>13670551
>half off
>EXVS Force code
>>13670572
Don't forget it is also a prime time show on just before Yugioh and has heavy advertising
Yeah? How does it compare to G-Reco's sales?
>>13670684
Doing a lot worse actually
>>13670695
Really? I seem to remember G-Reco not even being in the top 10 back in the day.
>gritty military show flops
>okay, fuck it, let's go full goofy for a while
How long until Sunrise decides to go full Kyoryuger?
>yearly Gundam series
You didn't learn your lesson, Bandai.
>>13670744
BFT and Greco both did okay. At least well enough that together the season was successful. Not to mention Origin was running in the background.
>>13670755
>G-Reco
>did okay
Oh so you're a historical revisionist. G-Reco did not do well.
>>13670849
Can you back that up? cause last I heard it did okay outside those first misreported numbers. Well enough that it is even getting an an English bluray release
>>13670849
Sunrise said both BFT and G-Reco did great, so please get out G-Reco hater unless you can disprove that claim.
>>13670849
Are you retarded? During the IBO reveal event they said BFT and G-Reco were great successes
>>13670551
Hey , take off the disney films and live action shit from the list it's extremely misleading. For the ones where it's ranked 10th, it's actually ranked 6th:
1. ご注文はうさぎですか?? 第1巻〈初回限定版〉
2. ラブライブ!The School Idol Movie【特装限定版】
3. Overload
4. 終物語 第一巻/おうぎフォーミュラ(完全生産限定版)
5. 黒子のバスケ 3rd SEASON 9
6. 機動戦士ガンダム 鉄血のオルフェンズ
So IBO is actually ranked 6th and in the top 10,
For 12/23, where it's ranked 4th, it's actually ranked 3.
1. ARIA The ANIMATION Blu-Ray BOX
2. 終物語 第一巻/おうぎフォーミュラ(完全生産限定版)
3. 6. 機動戦士ガンダム 鉄血のオルフェンズ
>>13670849
Yes it did. G-Reco's and Build Fighters Try success was what convinced Sunrise to do IBO immediately because they saw they could do multiple Gundam anime/OVA/movies fairly close to each other. This was verbatim stated in the press conference for IBO during that countdown timer promo July, 15 2015
>>13670895
>hey, take off the stuff the list is meant to list and IBO is higher
>>13670900
Because it's artificially making it lower because of course Disney's The Minion's is going to fuck with the ranking when what we really care about is how it's doing in relationship to other weaboo cartoons, duh.
>>13670895
>, take off the disney films and live action shit
No, that is silly. Those a things selling much better than it
Even then it is being beaten by some small time stuff, Is the Order a Rabbit should not beat out a prime time gundam in the Christmas period. Even a LN adaptation not currently airing like Overlord can beat it.
plus >>13670572
>>13670940
>gochiusa
>small time
>>13670940
How the fuck is that silly
You're comparing dodge charger sales to dell laptop sales.
>>13670950
>small time
Yes
>You're comparing dodge charger sales to dell laptop sales.
No it is comparing blurays sold to blurays sold. You aren't even just breaking it up into animation and live action an dif you want to get technical like that you have to also start thinking about stuff like pricing range
>>13670940
>small time stuff
>underestimating perverts
>>13670978
I like gochiusa cause it makes my dick go dokidoki
>>13670551
BANDAI ON SUICIDE WATCH HAHAHAHA
>>13671073
>Biggest company in Japan
>Gundam is still their top selling property this year
>Gundam The Origin and G-Reco doing well
>Gunpla sales doing good
>Suicide Watch
Even if IBO doesn't become the next 00 sized hit its not gonna hurt anything in the long run but it shows that timeslots don't mean jackshit anymore and there has to be more drive to make people want to purchase BDs. Now they could go the Aniplex route and do event ticket offers for their big Gundam releases I can imagine them doing the same for Macross Delta.
>>13670940
>how dare some comfy cgdct show beat muh popular shitpost magnet
for one thing, gochiusa threads on /a/ are pretty chill besides some sexualization posters. meanwhile almost every IBO thread on /m/ is loud as fuck shitposting and NO U
>>13670551
translate it weebs
>>13670551
/a/ BTFO
>>13670551
REKT
>>13670556
fuck yeah snapfit-kun
>>13670684
stop that
>>13670938
>Disney's The Minion's
The minion's isn't disney though. take a break anon looks like you need it
>>13670551
No one cares when you did this about G-Reco or all the other series you keep pulling this shit on. Just enjoy the show, who gives a fuck about how much it's selling?
>>13672972
You don't understand, I'm better than you for not liking this show, look, I have numbers that mean nothing but I'm going to pretend they mean I'm right.
I'm so mature.
on a more serious note, how's the kit sales doing? BD sales is one thing but gundam series relies more on kit sales over BD sales if I'm not mistaken
>>13670551
Good, we need less vermin for termination and people are finally wising up.
>>13671098
>Biggest company in Japan
I don't fucking think so. Not fucking close. Not even 250 unless they are part of some even larger conglomerate
It's still raping Fafner in terms of sales
>>13675484
>namco-bandai not the largest anime company
It's definitely them, no other anime related company has the power. Not even Aniplex comes even close. Sony doesn't even anime anymore.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a352a706-16a0-11e5-b07f-00144feabdc0.html
They are also ranked 228 for overall companies in Japan.
>>13670551
Good.
>>13670684
I don't know about sales or viewing figures, since I can't seem to dig either up for G-Reco up from the archives but I do know that Iron Blooded Orphans has better online viewing numbers than Reconguista in G. At least as far as Gundaminfo's Youtube episodes go anyways. IBO has about double the viewing numbers of G-Reco for any given episode at the moment, even though G-Reco has been up for what...a year longer? I don't know how much import Banrise given that though, and whether that's true of other online sources like Crunchyroll or what have you as well.
>>13675678
Greco was put up when the series was half way through
>>13675678
>>13675706
*halfway through yet episodes still only put up weekly
>>13675678
They didn't start airing G-Reco on Gundam.info until it was nearly over (and most of us had already seen the "new" episodes months ago), and then they region locked it halfway through. With IBO, they're releasing it as it airs on TV for the regions not getting it through other streaming sites.
G-Reco is a show Bandai did not expect to sell well, so they let Tomino do whatever he wanted while they tried to push GBF Try on us. It's a different situation than something they expect to sell well like IBO.
>>13675721
It didn't even get a good slot on tv and the gunpla obviously didn't have much effort put into it till later, especially compared to other series around it having much better range of movement and less stickers. Hell even when Breaker 2 was coming out it was Try pushed as a big new addition
Honestly the show had everything against it, doing as well as it did is amazing
>>13670703
That was preorders. IBO is actually on sale now.
>>13675520
No one said to limit it only to anime-related companies
>>13675678
Are you forgetting G-Reco was only available on some aussie stream site for almost its entire run?
>>13676052
And Crunchyroll
>>13675721
>G-Reco is a show Bandai did not expect to sell well, so they let Tomino do whatever he wanted while they tried to push GBF Try on us. It's a different situation than something they expect to sell well like IBO.
Yeah because Banrise is just like Konami. They want to push out Tomino to keep churning out garbage for a fast return. It's a business model that aims to make small investments for quick returns instead of big investments for the long run. Only problem is Tomino made a show so great that it makes IBO looks like absolute shit.
>>13675745
>Honestly the show had everything against it, doing as well as it did is amazing
G-Reco was planned for years. It should be no surprise it absolutely incredible.
>>13671073
It is not like Love Live and Gundam The Origin are the two best selling anime of the year!
>>13676068
IBO doesn't need any help to look like absolute shit. G-Reco has a lot of strong points but is a a general clusterfuck as far as plot goes. I can't say it's 'absolutely incredible' and I don't think many people outside of /m/ would call it that either.
>>13676226
I think given a better slot and more advertising including streaming in the west (anime fans often like what they are told to) it would have done much better, not incredible and been a big show but the sales would have been bumped up a lot
>>13676066
It wasn't on Crunchyroll it was available on Vimeo and Gundam Youtube Channel after it was donem
>>13676226
>G-Reco has a lot of strong points but is a a general clusterfuck as far as plot goes.
Found the retard
>>13675706
>>13675711
>>13676052
Are you ignoring that I was speaking only to it's number of views on that one online channel and specifically included the qualification that I couldn't speak to how well viewed it was on any other internet source? I don't have numbers for any of those, nor are they published anywhere in the case of places like Crunchyroll to my knowledge, so that one resource is the only one I could mention numbers for.
>>13676400
How does that change it was put up on youtube half way (possibly more) through airing and on a weekly basis when you could easily find the episodes else where so not pointlessly wait?
>>13676408
It doesn't. I never said it did. Only that those are the only numbers we have for any online source, so I gave them with as much qualification as I could to say they're not definitive and shouldn't be taken as such.
>>13676423
>I gave them with as much qualification as I could
No you didn't in fact you said
>even though G-Reco has been up for what...a year longer?
The whole post is incredibly misleading to someone who didn't have knowledge about what actually happened. Your qualifications are actually "well I don't know this but I'm going to state stuff anyway"
>>13676400
>>13676423
Then why bother bring it up when its worthless to this conversation?
>>13676425
I also said
> I don't know how much import Banrise gives that though, and whether that's true of other online sources like Crunchyroll or what have you.
And it has been online for just about 10 months now after checking the dates. So while I wasn't exact, I wasn't that far off.
>>13676427
Because they're the only numbers we have for online viewerships as far as I'm aware. Which seems vaguely relevant even if they're only part of a larger demographic.
>>13676431
That doesn't mean what I said at all
>>13676437
When the data isn't comparable for multiple reason it is not useful
>>13676440
> That doesn't mean what I said at all
It is however a qualification that it isn't a complete demographic from across all online streams and only applies to that one exact source.
> When the data isn't comparable for multiple reasons it is not useful
It's about as good as we're going to get, so that makes it vaguely useful in and of itself. If you want to make it more useful you could compare it to the viewer numbers for Build Fighters and Try which were both put up weekly as they aired as far as I'm aware. And both of which stomp the viewer numbers for any particular IBO episode.
>>13676456
But then we run into a problem with IBO only being available in certain countries on youtube, while Build Fighters isn't.
Can anyone get the numbers for AGE when it was on Gundam.info?
>>13676456
>It's about as good as we're going to get, so that makes it vaguely useful in and of itself.
No its not because as other people have stated G-Reco only started getting weekly uploads 3 weeks before it ended its run and everyone had already seen it from other sources at that point compared to GBF and TRY which were uploaded on the same day it aired in Japan
>>13676456
>a qualification
And there are more which you didn't take into account. You also mostly glossed over them
>Build Fighters and Try
Available in multiple countries. You aren't very good at this
>>13676280
Yeah yeah fuck you too. I'm not saying I had trouble following it, I'm saying each plot point had next to no time to breathe. I think G-Reco's breathless pacing and willingness to move things along in incidental dialogue is the freshest thing about it, but it had too many plot arcs for its runtime all the same.
We have this conversation every gundam show.
BD sales are always irrelevant, the primary purpose of gundam is to spruik model kits.
If you can find proof the kits aren't selling, then it's a flop.
And 2% is pretty decent for a TV show that airs at 5PM on a Sunday. It's better than Build Fighters S1 which aired in Japan's Golden Time block.
>>13676500
That is not good ratings for a show on primetime. Yugioh airs after it and blows it away
>>13676500
>And 2% is pretty decent for a TV show that airs at 5PM on a Sunday.
Its actually not, the last two shows that aired on the blok averaged 5% and a 4% respectively, the last Gundam show that average a 2% and below was AGE which had the worst ratings in the franchise.
>It's better than Build Fighters S1 which aired in Japan's Golden Time block.
No it didn't it aired monday afternoons.
>>13676500
And people point out every time that disk sales can support shows especially very popular entries in the series. It should also be important for this show which is not very mech focused it is obvious they want disk and other merchandise (which there is a more of than recent previous entries) sales
We rarely get anything solid in terms of how gunpla sells outside of "it is good/bad" which can mean many things so really isn't that helpful
>>13676518
So basically AGE killed gundam
>>13676527
Not really. Its failure didn't really do anything.
>>13676506
it cheats tho
anime shouldnt have characters that are fun to watch
I'm sure it'll do fine.
>>13676545
it's almost like kids shows should be fun to watch and aimed at kids
Wait, where have I heard that before?
>>13676553
mein kampf
>>13676461
Closest I could find, sadly. None of the later available timestamps on the Wayback Machine had access to the AGE playlist for numbers of any kind and I couldn't think of any other place that might have them. Assuming that the episode went up straight away (and I'm not sure on that) then it'd be about 5 months later.
>>13676466
> You also mostly glossed over them
It was a 3 sentence post. I mostly glossed over everything. I didn't think I had to go in to exact detail on every single point to avoid being attacked. I'll make note of it in future.
>>13676543
> The North American market is difficult. Gundam depicts war through the eyes of characters like Amuro and Kira, who are against fighting. These types of characters and the cruelty of war lend themselves to anti-war themes. But a protagonist like Amuro isn't acceptable in the North American market. It has to be a type of character who fights for his country. If we end up creating a Gundam for the North American market, it will be entirely different from the anti-war Gundam of Japan. I doubt if we could call that Gundam.
This is a quote by Yasuo Miyakawa, one of SEED's producers. From my research, he also produced Gundam 00, AGE, and Unicorn. This guy is the one I believed pushed UNDERSTANDING, like it was the source of SEED's and 00's popularity and success. After all, he tries to say Kira and Amuro are basically the same person despite all the evidence to the contrary.
People didn't go nuts over AGE like they originally thought they would. Kio is looked upon as a lame Kira knockoff by SEED fans and "uggh. Not another Kira clone" by it's detractors.
He didn't produce G-Reco, Build Fighters, Try or IBO. AGE flopping as hard as it did no doubt made them stop and try to figure out how to make the show work again.
>>13676609
AGE flopped cause people thought it would be generic boring shit and it was generic boring shit with a really bad story
You can't say failure is down to a guy/'s thoughts involved with 3 of the biggest and most popular modern Gundam shows
>>13676609
Your argument turns to shit because Unicorn was a huge success and preached the same message.
>>13676609
> These types of characters and the cruelty of war lend themselves to anti-war themes. But a protagonist like Amuro isn't acceptable in the North American market. It has to be a type of character who fights for his country. If we end up creating a Gundam for the North American market, it will be entirely different from the anti-war Gundam of Japan. I doubt if we could call that Gundam.
Sounds like he's describing /m/ pretty accurately.
>>13676609
too bad Abe re-militarized the country
>>13676066
It wasn't on Crunchyroll unless the time I spent waiting for new episodes to be ripped every week were all just some sort of elaborate dream.
>>13676640
Unicorn banked on UC nostalgia, was an ova with long gaps between episodes, and high production values. Every episode could've been utter shit and we would have completely forgotten by the time the next one rolled around.
>>13676721
>Unicorn banked on UC nostalgia
Yet it was more like SEED than anything in UC.
>>13670578
>Don't forget it is also a prime time show on just before Yugioh and has heavy advertising
This doesn't even air on the same day as Yu Gi Oh.
>>13676609
AGE flopped because gundam generally isnt watched by young children anymore and AGE is a show that has the aesthetics of a kodomo show.
It was hated right out the gate and the show had awful pacing and a very cliche, boring plot. It doesn't pander with cute girls and their breasts, panty shots and they didn't make much kits out of the show.
AGE was something no one wanted where as IBO is considered uninteresting and filler until Arc-V airs.
>>13676739
Are you retarded? Yugioh airs right after IBO. I know because I watch them both every week live on the same stream.
>>13676640
Unicorn?
UNDERSTANDING?
son it was about telling people to stop being butthurt about the past and do something about working towards a future for everyone.
>>13676553
>it's almost like kids shows should be fun to watch and aimed at kids
But stuff like Yamato still does really well.
>>13676765
>was about telling people to stop being butthurt about the past and do something about working towards a future for everyone.
That's completely fucking wrong you stupid fuck.
>>13676767
Uh....Yamato 2199 wasn't a kids show.
>>13676781
Yes it was. Anything aired in that time slot is considered a kids show by and large.
>>13676775
oh please point where anyone says let's put our differences aside. NO ONE SAYS THAT. NOT EVEN BANAGHER.
>>13676789
dude a kid's show is like anpan man or doraemon or pokemon
>>13676789
>Anything aired in that time slot is considered a kids show by and large.
>Code Geass R2
>Star Driver
>Sengoku Basara S2
>Arslan Senki
Are you done being stupid?
>>13676794
>NO ONE SAYS THAT. NOT EVEN BANAGHER.
So you didn't even watch it.
>>13676762
Is Arc V doing that good or has that time slot really just gone to shit?
>>13676789
I get the feeling you're pretending to be retarded but no one was implying the point you're trying to make.
>>13676798
Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan. Any show in that time slot is generally regarded as a kids show. Fucking Gundam SEED was seen as a kids show, that's why adults were so upset at the implied sex.
>>13676794
Mineva's final speech is telling people to forget about Zeon and just work towards a better future together. The show constantly talks about the God of Possibility. Banagher spends time with the more moderate folks of both factions and gains insight in to their core beliefs and ends up helping unite the more moderate and decent folks on both sides to work together against fanatics like Full Frontal.
>>13676808
>he's got a point
>>13676775
LITERALLY EVERY OTHER SCENE IS PEOPLE STARTING SHIT BECAUSE SOMEONE DID SHIT TO THEM IN THE PAST IN A NEVER ENDING CYCLE OF BUTTHURT AND BULLSHIT.
THE TRAGEDY OF THE UNIVERSAL CENTURY IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT FUCKING STOP SCREWING PEOPLE OVER EVEN IF ONLY FOR A SHRED OF REVENGE.
>>13676808
>Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan.
No they're not.
>>13676809
So it is UNDERSTANDING.
>>13676808
>Those are all seen as kids shows in Japan. Any show in that time slot is generally regarded as a kids show.
I'm starting to think this guy doesn't kniw what he's talking about.
>>13676809
>>13676815
Wrong again dumbfuck
>>13676826
>kniw
*know
>>13676836
>>13676826
what the fuck do you know, you cant even spell
>>13676820
In the same way Zeta Gundam is, sure. Which is to say not at all, but I mean, when has that mattered here on /m/?
Zeta Gundam by the way featured the AEUG made up of the more moderate remnants of both Zeon and the Federation working together to try and stop the fanatics of both sides from fucking things up for everyone and ended with the remnants of the Titans surrendering to the Federation. With ZZ doing the same for Neo Zeon basically. Kamille also spent time getting to know both sides (Spacenoids and Earthnoids), learning to appreciate each and wanting to protect both by the end.
>>13676831
Then point out what's wrong and give examples.
>>13676789
That's not kids block dumbass in fact the majority of the viewership is young adults
>>13676843
>kek you misspelled a word, your entire argument is invalid!
Found the captain of the debate team.
>>13676844
>In the same way Zeta Gundam is, sure.
No its not actually. Zeta was a three way confrontation and it didn't end with two sides siding with one another to beat the big bad. The rest of what you posted was horseshit.
>>13676853
The two sides merged in to one moderate before the show even began. They're still a moderate third faction fighting against the other two to make a better future for both and even trying to do so during the show, with the most prominent example being Char's speech at Dakar where he tries to encourage the Federation to move more people out in to space (a prominent Zeon goal) as well as to combat the Titans (a Federation goal). Kamille kills the remaining Titans leadership in the finale, leading the remnants to surrender and fold back in to the Federation.
>>13670556
>IPs doesn't go up
>>13676872
Wrong again
>>13676910
Sure. I mean, you did such a great job demonstrating why I'm wrong and all.
>>13676964
I can make a paragraph explaining that Zeta came before 0079 doesn't mean I'm right.
>>13676982
You could make a paragraph explaining why I'm wrong and yet you keep refusing to and instead trying to act like you're above it. Nothing I said is factually untrue, unlike the statement that Zeta comes before 0079 however.
>>13676994
>Nothing I said is factually untrue,
Actually it is.
>unlike the statement that Zeta comes before 0079 however.
Why?
>>13677010
> Actually it is
Okay. Then what part is untrue?
> Why?
Do you actually need me to prove to you that Zeta comes before 0079? The thing you didn't even imply was correct in your own statement?
>>13676226
>dat sexy explosion
I miss it. DO much!
>>13670551
IBO is just so boring and feels like it is going no where. At least G-reco was a fun trainwreck.
>>13677997
>fun trainwreck.
Found the retard
>>13676068
Are all /m/ tripfags this brain damaged? Isn't this the same guy that thought the Graze's gun was an M16 or something?
>>13677999
You are right, G-reco was an awful train wreck. No fun at all. Just pure shit that only retards could like.
>>13678003
Here's your reply.
>>13670556
>tripfagging
>>13675921
>Bandai going down the drain
>somehow still #1 anime related company
Yeah, keep pretending it isn't relevant.
>>13678002
yes and yes
Threads like this and every single subsequent reply are sad examples of pathetic fucks clutching their fists with hot tears streaming down their face quietly whimpering "I'm right I know I'm right."
>>13682242
Good thing you're excluded from being right about your generalization amirite?
>>13676226
Look at that. Those beautiful vibrant colours. That non-shit choreography. I miss G-Reco.
>>13683293
> someone shoots from behind a mountain and then advances straight ahead firing all the guns
> several units dodge beams and fly away
> somehow amazed by this choreography
You could at least post something with actually notable choreography if you're going to geek out over it.
>>13678010
One order of here's your reply
>>13683339
Found the Iron Blooded Babby
>>13683366
Jesus you're a retard. I'm not even saying it doesn't have good choreography, just that there's nothing notable in that webm and you could have posted a better example from within the show, which does have better examples, if you're going to geek out over it's choreography.
>>13683293
That is quite literally MA beam spam.webm, and you praise it for doing something SEED, Destiny and 00 made you detest?
Then again, muh Tomino. Sacred cow, flawless, revered.
>>13683426
>beam spam
Found the retard
>>13683394
>>13683426
Yeah it needs more missing frames.
>>13683435
Yeah, because the Armorzagan sitting there and going pew pew pew with its vast array of exclusively beam-based weaponry does not constitute beam spam.
But I can see how that can be forgotten over choreography so impressive. Look at how those mobile suits banked, slightly.
>>13683441
It could do with some actual variety, sure.
>>13683454
>He fire a a beam
>its beam spam
Why are Iron Blooded Babbies so stupid?
>>13683454
>variety
This is just sad.
>>13683478
Yeah, whatever, pal.
Go sit down and watch the Freedom give you a seizure, clearly that's the sort of 'choreography' you love if you think a mobile armor farting out beams is impressive.
>>13683499
Fucking IBO has brought the worst cancer to this board, I swear.
>>13683509
Yeah, Reco elitists crawling out of the cracks in the floor like roaches, especially.
Oh wait, that's been the case for over a fucking year, never mind.
>>13683513
Except I know both series are shit, fuckwit. You're still a waste of functioning organs.
>>13683521
>You're still a waste of functioning organs.
And what might you be doing here, then, if you loathe them both so intensely?
Fuck off.
E-everyone, please stop fighting.
>>13683538
See, that's cool. That's the kind of thing I wanted >>13683293 to post. Instead he has to freak out about IBO like a gigantic fucking spazz.
>>13683554
Nigga that wasn't even fucking me. I know that's flimsy, but that's just how it goes on an anonymous forum. I've been staying out of it and trying to write a decent response.
>>13683556
Then I apologize for mixing you up. That's what I meant regardless.
I'm still going to follow through and watch it all, its not terrible, but its not great. It just is, I feel as though maybe they'll actually get somewhere, or something big will develop by the next episode. I mean it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever, White Base had already landed on Earth by episode 12 and already into the Earth arc.
>>13676809
That whole "God of Possibility" and "working together for a better future" thing worked out real well didn't it?
>>13683566
>I mean it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever
This is what worries me, it feels like we have got no where and only just started proper development of characters. And even then for Orga and Guts it is just repeating the same lines over and over, even the show was calling Guts out on it
The next episode is not even earth but a colony where they will repeat that an old guy who looks like he is from some NTR doujin wants to kill Kudelia. I am also dreading the romance as Mika is only just involuntary showing more emotion and Kudelia will just sit and complain she doesn't get it and it probably makes her feel useless
>>13683566
>it feels like they've just been meandering about in space forever
You know what this reminds me of? The space portion of the Sunsa arc in Votoms, but dragged out even longer. People who complain about that arc lingering can consider themselves lucky compared to here.
>>13683609
Space arc is the Moon Moon of IBO.
>>13683588
It's a message aimed mostly to the audience. The tragedy of it falling on deaf ears in the UC is part of the human condition, but it shouldn't mean you should stop working towards that ideal where people aren't perpetually angry at each other.
GUTS
ON A BOAT
>>13683630
There's also the fact that Zeon does fold peacefully back in to the Federation and there are no more Zeon wars, so Mineva basically got what she was asking for even if there were further conflicts over other things decades later.
>>13683625
Huh, that makes some sort of sense. Only instead of space Aztecs, you got a space Muslim and his Shrike Team haremettes.
Wait. Wait. Almiria is young, right? And McGillis gets a Gundam fairly soon.
Could Almiria get turned into the local equivalent of a cyber Newtype?
>>13683769
Forcefully install an Alay-Vijnana mock-up or something in her and try and make her a Puru or a Lalah?
I would hate to see that happen because she's cute, but it's probably what will happen.
>>13683775
>Lalah
Meant Four.
>>13683769
>>13683775
She has no connection to the main characters or story as a whole. It would have no meaning unless she meets Mika when they finally get to Earth.
>>13683775
>Forcefully install an Alay-Vijnana mock-up or something in her and try and make her a Puru or a Lalah?
Yuuuup.
I heard it actually sold pretty well, anyone got the BD sales yet?
>>13683538
>>13683554
You can tell animators enjoyed the Mack Knife.
I wish we had more unique designs like that.
>>13684192
* 9,254 Gundam IBO
>>13684192
It sold okay for most shows, but it wasn't at full price being just 1 episode and had a code with it
>>13684218
Wait but that's really fucking good. Shit.
>>13684248
Not really. It was half off and had a promo code in it. Vol 2 is where you get the meat of the show and see how it really sales. Remember that first volumes always sale the highest so 9k is the peak.
>>13684218
>>13684264
What were G-Reco's sales figures for the first volume and viewing numbers anyways? They won't change my mind on the shows or anything, but given how much of a pissing match anons are trying to turn things in to I'm curious how they did relative to each other.
>>13684307
>What were G-Reco's sales figures for the first volume and viewing numbers anyways?
Rough estimate say slightly over 10k but problem is that oricon never fixed this so it still says it sold over 4k in some sites despite the fact that every volume after sold 2 times more than what they reported so its a mess but according to someanithing sound scan was the closest with 8k-9k for the first volume. Ratings wise G-Reco did well for its Animazement timeslot averaging over 2% which is great for a late night timeslot.
>>13684307
10k and this was without a promo code and came full price.
>>13684349
Did it have some kind of promotion in it's first volume too then? I assume not, but just curious about all this. I'd almost say that the two shows would have done better if they'd swapped their timeslots, since kids are more likely to like the very vivid color palette of G-Reco (Tomino used it for that express purpose according to the nolife interview) and the show is a lot more exuberant and dynamic, while teens or adults are more likely to be up and enjoy IBO since it's more of a slow burn and setting itself up as a character driven show (thought it obviously depends on what they do with the characters).
>>13684364
>Did it have some kind of promotion in it's first volume too then?
Nope, came full price. There was an Amazon edition that was cheaper but that was the limited edition for that website anyways every else it was the same edition the confusion came from oricon not counting the Amazon edition for volume one which is why numbers are so low but soundscan counted it. IBO v1 is half priced everywhere and came with a promo code for EXVS FORCE itll definitely suffer from a drop next volume.
>>13684362
>>13684394
On the flipside, G-Reco was tomino right after Sunrise ran a campaign about Turn-A that increased its popularity, while IBO is a new thing.
>>13684364
>I'd almost say that the two shows would have done better if they'd swapped their timeslots, since kids are more likely to like the very vivid color palette of G-Reco (Tomino used it for that express purpose according to the nolife interview) and the show is a lot more exuberant and dynamic, while teens or adults are more likely to be up and enjoy IBO since it's more of a slow burn and setting itself up as a character driven show (thought it obviously depends on what they do with the characters).
Definitely would have made a lot more sense but Bandai was wary of Tomino not making bank and to be fair his last Gundam effort bombed so they didn't want to risk it also they didn't want it directly competiting with TRY for kids so they pushed it as the first late night Gundam anime to get adults into it against his wishes also pushing new age pop bands for the Opening instead of G no Senko which he wrote whuch explains why the openings are so lazily done while the ending looks extravagant.
Friendly reminder that The Wizard Of Oz flopped initially. So did Mobile Suit Gundam.
And SEED sold like hand warmers in Alaska. There is neither causation nor even correlation between qualtiy and sales.
Honestly, the fact that people feel the need to validate their own opinions and invalidate the opinions of others with something as trite as sales figures is really sad.
>>13684410
Yep, the Turn A BD Box cane out at the same time as G-Reco v1 and it sold well because of it.
6K for a 2 cour show is a success.
>>13684410
IBO is getting a lot of promotion. It's actually getting dubbed, being used as an incentive to buy a game, has Mari Okada as a head to draw in casuals and tried to pander to Fujo by advertising shirtless men
>>13684416
>Turn A sold well because of G-Reco
Why would you even think that?
>>13684422
None of that is unusual for a gundam show, and casuals don't give a fuck about who's writing a show.
>>13684427
>Two Tomino works coming out at the same time
>Bandai promoted them together
Not saying that was the case but it helped both, there was even a joke last year from that yaraon article when the Turn A Box was ranked higher than G-Reco.
>>13684419
I seem to remember that people call G-Reco numbers disappointing for a Gundam anime but its okay for IBO niw?
>>13684431
00 was the last Gundam show to get dubbed
People who aren't fans of a genre are likely to get into it because someone who has made something they like is involved like with Kamen Rider Gaim and Urobuchi, I don't recall any other Gundam series using shirtless sweaty men in the promo video leading up to it.
>>13684264
>Remember that first volumes always sale the highest so 9k is the peak.
That's just week 1 though. Usually week 2 can add at least 1-3k more.
>>13684441
>00 was the last Gundam show to get dubbed
AGE and GBF were dubbed...in the Philippines.
>>13684441
No, casuals really don't give a fuck. Sunrise has always catered to fujoshits, dumbfuck.
>>13684452
Yeah they do as shown by Gaim. People who never watched Rider before got into it because he was in charge of Gaim. Sunrise has never had sweaty shirtless men in promo videos working out when advertising a Gundam show. No one gives a fuck about a magazine scan. I'm talking about the actual advertising for the show that every fucking body would see.
>>13684468
Nobody who actually affected the sales got into gaim though, gaim is for kids.
>No one gives a fuck about a magazine scan
Are you seriously this retarded?
>>13684439
I would assume that was when the numbers going around were at 4k, not at 10k.
>>13684474
>Nobody who actually affected the sales got into gaim though, gaim is for kids.
You're out of your mind. Gaim sold so damn well that it's still getting material to this day in the form of movies and role play gear and figures.
>Are you seriously this retarded?
You're the one comparing a magazine scan to a promo video. That's fucking retarded. The first thing people saw when they watched the IBO promos were shirtless guys sweating and working out.
>>13684468
Wing aired in 90s, the internet was not a big thing. Magazines were incredibly important for advertising to the audience, and they still have a lot of traction today. The fact that the muscular shirtless stuff is in a TV promo not in Magazine promo is just a sign of changing ways for the audience to be informed. It doesn't mean anything fundamentally different is going on concerning targeted marketing.
You're painting IBO's presentation as unusual when it isn't.
>>13684480
They said it was a disappointment 10k because apparently every Gundam anime has sold the same amount as SEED and 00 and Tomino's name should be a big attraction despite the fact that he hasn't had a hit TV anime since ZZ before G-Reco.
>>13684485
Gaim sold well because it covered a large audience. The story was engaging for people who wanted something serious, there were many attractive actors, and the gimmick was fun and easy to sell because of the novelty.
People didn't take to Gaim because of Gen, they took to it because of what Gen did for it.
>>13684449
Wait, the voice actors were Aussies though right?
>>13684491
> magazines
> have a lot of traction today
What planet are you living on?
>>13684572
The planet that has Japan on it, shit-for-brains.
>>13684491
You're pretending that Wing didn't have TV spots. The damn bluray comes with the TV spots that advertise the show. It certainly didn't have Heero half naked and sweating. That magazine scan doesn't mean shit in the end because we don't even know when it was released The point is Wing didn't advertise the show before it aired with sweaty naked men.
>>13684593
You are kidding right? I mean, we can look up numbers for that shit pretty easily and anime magazines do shit numbers in Japan. Animage, which is one of the bigger publications is only pushing 50, 000 copies a month or so. In a country with a population of 127 million odd. America has a roughly similar population number and has hockey magazines that sell double that despite it not even being one of America's national sports. You can find that number with a simple Google by the way.
>>13670716
>How long until Sunrise decides to go full Kyoryuger?
You mean build fighters or it's G-reco?
>>13684618
>America has a roughly similar population number
>As of December 2, 2015, the United States has a total resident population of 322,267,564, making it the third most populous country in the world. [1]
You can find that number with a simple Google by the way.
>>13684613
More semantics. It's just a different form of advertisement.
>>13684623
I mean aside from Plamo Kyoshiro Mk. 3 and Silly Tomino. Imagine if the next official AU simply cuts loose with the silliness.
>>13684637
Hah, you're right. I must have been getting it mixed up with another country I had looked the population numbers up on recently so obviously. Teach me to not double check it before shooting off my mouth. Anime magazines are still pretty much irrelevant and have shit numbers these days regardless.
>>13684618
Right, but back in the 90s they were much more popular since the net hadn't taken off. They're still around today, which is why I said they still had some traction.
>>13684658
Oh yea, definitely in the 90s they'd have been a very popular way of getting information on a lot of subjects but they're much less relevant today because the same information can be gotten cheaper and easier using the internet. I wouldn't surprised if there's basically no major magazines left in print in a few decades because the medium just doesn't have any real positives anymore.
>>13684671
How's Newtype doing?
>>13684725
It's not even listed on that site with a few years, so I cannot image it's doing well. It used to be. It no longer is. It's almost definitely because the numbers are so low as to not be worth tracking.
>>13684618
Is this every magazine or just monthlies? Gundam Ace doesn't seem to be up.
>>13670551
>salesfagging a Gundam show
I don't even like IBO but come on, at least post Gunpla sales figures. That's what actually matters.
>>13684791
Gundam Ace is a manga magazine so it'd be listed under a different category.
>>13672991
I can't imagine kit sales have been very big yet, as the show has only introduced mechs that have something to do with the plot in some way, and not just shoe-horned in every ep for toys adverts.
So it's a good show, but the sales of kits probably won't take off until the dust has settled and the show is over.
>>13685516
Yeah the fucking one off Grazes that did nothing and Hammerhead having three different looking MS sure were necessary.
>>13684410
Yeah, but check out AnoHana sales figures and report since when Tomino didn't have such big hit.
I think you will have to dig until CCA.
>>13684647
>Anime magazines are still pretty much irrelevant and have shit numbers these days regardless.
The fact that some of them lasted more than 10 years is impressive by itself though.
I really wonder how this will do in the west. It didn't respond well to SEED's melodrama and kids will be bored by the lack of robots. With some of the early stuff I'm not even sure they could air it. I've also noticed that modern shows which do well were popular before dub etc, but judging the reaction to IBO is hard. It seems mostly positive other places but has few talking about it
>>13684436
Turn A is still a very cult show though. Putting it out doesn't help more than just attaching Tomino's name
If I remember correctly for games as well only the g-self got put in breaker 2 as post release dlc (when the game came out while airing ). In comparison Barbatos is put on centre stage for breaker 3 promo ad
>>13684725
>>13684791
You can check the results yourself at: http://www.j-magazine.or.jp/magadata/?module=list&action=list
It's a public Japanese website that collates all the magazine circulation numbers and information. You'll have to constantly get Google to translate pages, but it's easy enough to navigate from there. Just pick the time period you want and then the category of magazine. I couldn't find Gundam Ace hunting around on it, even when searching it's Japanese title, so it may not be listed for some reason (the owners may simply not have provided the information to put it in), but Newtype is there until the beginning of this year. Prior to that point it was doing pretty good numbers, relative to anime magazines anyways, with roughly 50 to 60 thousand copies selling, though it's down from a few years back when it was shifting 80 thousand or so. They must have stopped giving the numbers for this year or something to say it's no longer there.
>>13685813
Ano Hana was 4 years ago dumbass and since then neither of them has had a hit of that magnitude, hell Okada was involved with M3 the lowest selling anime of all time.
>>13685860
>breaker 2
Who gives a shit? Its front lining the more popular EXVS.
>>13686302
>Ano Hana was 4 years ago
And CCA almost 30 years ago.
>>13686383
CCA was a movie retard
>>13686392
Okay. So not counting CCA we have to go back to Zeta. Better yet.
>>13686383
What does have to do with anything? Also good job ignoring the fact thatshe was behind M3.
>>13686374
> front lining
It isn't. It had a small part in advertising the vita game which is a side game at best. Only 2 suits as well. The Barbatos has been pushed as much in advertising that
>>13686397
>she
Nah, I think Junichi Sato was the actual brains there. If M3 gets any love later on (assuming it even gets in SRW), it'll be via his name attached to it.
>>13686422
......she wrote M3.
>>13686396
Except ZZ performed well.
>>13686414
>not front lining
You can shut the fuck up now. Also first DLC for both Force and Maxi ON is the Mack Knife.
>The Barbatos has been pushed as much in advertising that
Nope only as a promo code DLC
>>13686430
As did several of his non-Gundam works in the 80s that followed after Zeta/ZZ like Dunbine.
>>13686426
Yes, but Sato is the director. Without a director that's at least somewhat capable enough at putting a leash on, Okada shenanigans happen.
So, let me get this straight. IBO is pulling in similar numbers to G-Reco while airing in a much better timeslot. Likewise, it's initial home media sales are in the same range but were being sold at half price. Bandai expects IBO to sell well while it had no faith in G-Reco, and has used Barbatos more in advertising new games while the show is still airing, something it never did for the G-Self.
Sounds about right?
>>13687401
Basically.
>>13684414
no shut up mine is better
Clearly the solution is to rehash more Universal Century.
>>13684436
I don't really understand how Turn A coming out at the same time would increase G Reco's BD sales. They weren't bundled together.
>>13687401
And IBO is already confirmed for receiving a dub in English and is available the same day as it airs in Japan on an easily accessible YouTube channel.
Banrise just really wants to push IBO.
>>13687507
Or make a SEED sequel that retcons Destiny a la Halloween H20.
>>13687507
The problem is they're trying not to get newbies into UC, because it's an exercise in futility at this point. That continuity is too large for them to get invested in.
>>13687522
He never said that was the case.
>>13687401
It also had an Op from one of the more popular bands
>>13687416
So what happens if it does worse than G-Reco? Do we get people defending it by saying it's more popular in America? That places like ANN/MAL/MAHQ and their anime critics like it better? Or do they blame G-Reco for driving away viewers?
Any word as of yet why this isn't going over with Japanese viewers?
>>13689895
People will use those wrong greco numbers, say it is good anyway, say they don't mater gunpla does and possibly quote the western sales of both (though honestly I doubt IBO will sell much more than the undubbed Greco blurays)
Also people will say "WELL it has problems, BUT t least it isn't Greco cus the drama was good!" That's all other places talk about, the kiss and then some will say the funeral was nice because fuck all else is there
>Any word as of yet why this isn't going over with Japanese viewers?
the ratings have dropped and are not great for the slot
>>13670551
This moght be a sogn the show is really good. Thank you, gonna wait for blu-rays.
>>13690393
I find it amusing people still try to say Cross Ange was a hit while G-Reco was a flop despite the former having noticeably lower sales.
>>13691064
The former was surely cheaper to make than the latter though.
>>13691100
Knowing Fukuda? Both shows probably have the same budget at start.
G-Reco supposedly only got a bit of a budget increases towards the latter half of the season when the show got higher than expected ratings.
Tomino is a stickler for budgets, one reason why the show never had a proper OP animation.
>>13690393
The wrong numbers for G-Reco get reposted a lot.
>>13691271
At least everyone here knows they are wrong as the fact is/was discussed a lot. Somewhere like MAL you can say Tomino hated Greco cause it failed horribly and slapped Noredo's voice actor for not having a lickable enough vagina and they would actually believe it
>>13691168
Greco really showed what a guy experienced with budgets can do. Only towards the end did any obvious QUALITY show up
>>13691397
I haven't actually heard anything about G-Reco's budget. Was it average for an airing show?
>>13691417
I don't think we ever got a solid figure but judging by the show generally being sidelined and the gunpla being lower quality than others coming out at the same time I can't imagine an above average amount was put into the the project
>>13691397
>>13691437
>>13691417
Budget limits are way overstimated when judging shows, One Punch Man looked good because it had very experienced animators working on it from all the main Japanese studios, despite having a normal budget.
Damn Naruto too had some very good looking arcs at times because of experienced animators guest directing despite it being fucking studio pierrot.
G-Reco looked good because it had the Sunrise veterans working on it, the same guys that are doing the spectacle that is Thunderbolt.
>>13691168
>Knowing Fukuda? Both shows probably have the same budget at start.
Probably. SEED had 3x larger budget than the average anime, Destiny 4x, and they both are full of stock/reused footage (and lots of QUALITY in regards to the broadcast versions)
