Having just seen Thunderbolt, all I can say is what an utter asshole this guy is. Which of course means /m/ is going to love him.
Does he Violate?
>>13655744
He picks on cripples and insults their taste in music.
So he's basically /m/ and /mu/ in one?
>>13655737
Did the first episode air?
>>13655750
How can one man be so based?
>>13655761
it leaked a week or so ago.
>>13655774
>480p
Eh.
>>13655774
Was pretty sure it was just a raw though, no subs at least what I saw.
>>13655737
I love Io
>>13655822
Subs are on Nyaa now.
>>13655750
noice
>>13655737
You saw the subs for the leak which was absolute shit quality I bet.
>>13655750
He is my type of man.
>>13656121
You mean the JP>Spanish>Arab(British English)>English? with an encode of 240p upscaled 480?
>>13655737
/m/ loves him because he's a Feddie, if he was with Zeon, they'd call him a cripple torturing sadist.
>>13656373
Or its because asshole characters tend to be more fun.
>>13656398
Then Girhen should be the face of /m/ if that's the case. It's factional bias.
>>13655744He bails out of his exploding GM, flies in a normal suit to a Dom with a huge sniper cannon attached to it, opens the cockpit, shoots the pilot in the head while he's Skyping with his comrades, and then trashtalks the other Zaku pilots while strapping into the Dom. Then he flies away.
>>13656373
Where are people getting the impression /m/ loves him, or that /m/ can come to a single consensuses?
>>13656617
I must see this.
>>13656652
You might also enjoy the PoV of a Zaku getting violated.
>>13655750
shuddup peglegs
>>13656668
Why is everyone in this series so fucked up?
>>13656414
Yes, people are biased against the literal space Nazi faction. Who'd have fucking thought, right?
>>13656749
from what I remember about the zeeks, because of expenses to unamputee them and not just be peg legs and hooks they are forced to pilot in the thunderbolt sector to make up for the costs of new limbs. That and they are already fucked up so throw them into the the most dangerous area so you dont waste your perfectly fine pilots.
>you shouldn't talk shit about your enemies
>you shouldn't talk shit about zeon
Fuck off.
>>13655750
Perfect.
>>13656668
>dat screams
>dat finisher
>>13656905
most of them campers too?
>>13655737
OH LOOK THE FEDDIE IS A BAD GUY
WOWLMAOROFLGUISE SO EDGY AMIRITE?
>>13656972
This.
UC Gundam has been compensating for 30 years about how bad they made Zeon. Apparently they think that moral ambiguity makes the story cool. It really doesn't, though.
Anyone feels wants to pawn the overpowered Gundam?
Thats the reason why im siding the Zeon all the time.
>>13657000
>moral ambiguity
Where?
Feddies are good guys.
Flemming did nothing wrong.
>>13657006
Why are we being completely fucking overrun by ESL shitposters? Is this the Facebook boogeyman I was told about?
>>13657000
So did you not watch the series or something?
Only the upper echelon of Zeon was shady, the rank and file were all really nice people. Even Garma and Dozle were portrayed as sympathetic. The only real bastards were Gihren, Kycilia, and M'Quve. Degwin was just a sad old man.
Zeon troops dropped food and shelter to a fleeing civilian, offer to buy meals for total strangers in a restaurant, and willingly undertake suicide missions to avenge their highly respected commander.
Fed soldiers conscript civilian children, steal fruit from local vendors, get disgracefully drunk in a stranger's empty house, and betray their own side by leading their own men into ambushes.
>>13655761
Yeah and compared to the manga it's progressing quite fast.
>>13655750
fucking perfect
>>13657061
you mean like nazis? where only most of the heads, leaders, and ss were nuts? There were still standard soldiers forced to do horrible acts suck as Cima gassing a colony
>>13657061
One of the major themes of 0079 was that soldiers are human too and that the enemies are not just faceless monsters, it's like /m/ hasn't fucking seen the series
>>13657178
>nazis were the bad guys
>>13657197
>>13657192
Welcome to neo /m/
>>13657178
Cima knew exactly what she was doing, notice how she got a promotion, her own fleet and a cushy home defense job for the war? It's only when things go sour that she was turned into a patsy. Then she has the gall to blame others for her misfortune.
>>13657017
I bet you're one of those people who think the Titans are a separate group from the Federation.
>>13657247
Yes, clearly Jamitov cared so much for the EF.
>>13657264
>responding to black knight in a gundam thread
What were you thinking?
>>13657247
They were after the Federation disowned them.
>>13657264
Irrelevant since the Titans are still apart of the Federation and is evidence that the Federation have no problems with gassing colonies and trying to drop a colony on people they disagree with. The difference is Zeon owns up to their actions rather than conduct a massive cover up.
>>13657284
Pfff haha oh lord this guy can't even tie his own shoelaces.
>>13657267
Newfags, probably.
>>13657267
It amuses me how some one can be so intellectually bankrupt.
>>13657291
Prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't so you just resort to non nonsensical insults.
>>13657274
Maybe in the TV timeline, but in the canon movie timeline, the Federation never disavowed the Titans.
>>13657312
>but in the canon movie timeline
You get one last chance to prove that you're not shitposting.
>>13657316
Check the archives, all the contrarians on this board have tried and failed to debunk that the movie versions are the canon versions.Also factposting is not shitposting
>>13657329
How about the fact all spinoff's after the movies continue to reference the TV continuity(Including Advance of Zeta, which started around the same time as the movies)?
>>13657340
stop
>>13657340
All those spinoffs aren't canon either
>>13657312
>non nonsensical insults
That's right, they're not nonsensical. He was just factposting, buddy.
>>13657006
>Psssh...nothing personal Kid.
>>13657340
So you just confirmed he doesn't have leg to stand on in terms of posting stuff of merit. Thanks.
>>13657340
According to sunrise, it has to be animated to be consider official.
Fucking Zeeks, shitposting on a Fed owned,Fed operated,Fed based board
Go back to your shitty back water side
>>13657398
>Being this new, and ignorant
>>13657247
You mean how she started freaking the fuck out in the cockpit of her zaku when she found out it was gas?
https://youtu.be/2zyZI3LbkdE?t=34s
>>13655737
Just watched it too OP. First impressions nice OST didn't expect jazz, love the art, god the one year war is so comfy and I think I like this series style abit more than origin already. Haha so many shields. Loved that POV Zaku shot. Glad that Feds look like kill happy propaganda spouting elitists and the Zeons are all commoner cripples. Looking forward to seeing more.
>>13657384
And both TV and movies are animated.So both are official. Except nobody seems to care about the movie version enough to reference it.
>>13657526
Both are official, only one is canon.
>>13657424
>A video game
>>13657570
And One keeps getting referenced in official works while one goes ignored. Geez, I wonder which should be assumed to be canon? Hmm?
>>13657583
The canon timeline just has less bloat and feddie wank like Unicorn.
>>13657570
>game allows you to live the moment instead of seeing or hearing about how she handled the mission
but because you are either trolling or butthurt, and there are people out there the legitimately didnt know heres another
https://youtu.be/USPaYRBTas0?t=33s
https://youtu.be/r6Qe4qnPFzc?t=1m59s
>>13656373
But /m/ loves Yazan and he is a bad guy
>>13657329
That fucking tallgeese
>>13658052
There is nothing wrong about killing terrorist.
>>13656373
The only thing crippled about Zeon is their morality. How can you be inhumane to those who are already inhuman?
>>13657192
>One of the major themes of 0079 was that soldiers are human too and that the enemies are not just faceless monsters
baw baw baw
Don't say the Zeke rank and file are bad, they give candy to some homeless woman and her child! Please ignore the gassings, wanton slaughter, and genocide they're all apparently cool with or unwilling to defect over. THEY WUZ JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS, SIEG ZEON SIEG ZEON SIEG ZEON SIEG ZEON.
Yeah, nah. The scale here is far beyond what you could try to "justify" in the case of Nazi soldiers who were just following orders. "I'm afraid for my family" only carries you so far. They are not comparable at all.
Nazis were stuck with 1940s tech in a shitty and shit-upon country positively bursting with resentment that saw massive reform and industrialization courtesy of its charismatic leader and extremely small and marginalized scapegoats on which to vent their anger.
Spacenoids live in fantastic conditions compared to Earth and were just coming out of a many decades-long, unprecedented period of global (sphere-wide) peace and prosperity under the auspicies of a benevolent one world government, and one city's worth of them see their leadership replaced in a bloody coup, a monarchy established, and war declared with nerve gas against fellow spacenoids and a colony drop atrocity right off the bat. There's no way you kill half of humanity, the vast majority of them being the fellow spacenoids you are trying to "free", and still think you're just an OK guy following orders. Fuck no.
>>13655750
>>13657994
>Zaku II with command antenna
>Zaku II without command antenna
>Zaku I
Me thinks there's a whole lot of inconsistencies here.
>>13658120
or you can tell him he's a stupid shit for taking a game to be canon evidence
you can point out that his game also means beam rifles aren't one shot kills and if he says "well of course that's not canon, only what I said is canon" you can shit on him for cherry-picking arguments
>>13658102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
>>13658102
>live in fantastic conditions
Not really. Taxation without representation and all that. From what we know most spacenoids had it bad if they weren't directly supported by the Federation. Not as bad as the later years but getting evicted from Earth in your or your parents' generation sucks, especially when living conditions go from somewhat cramped to extremely cramped.
>peace and prosperity
>benevolent gov't
Hardly. Peace, maybe, and that was probably enforced. Prosperity went directly to the rich and powerful. Earthnoids (something like 2 billion in some counts, sometimes 50% of the population, canon is a little sketchy here) have all the say in all parts of the government. Spacenoids have, at best, a figurehead with no real power.
>bloody coup, war declared
Literally 1930s Third Reich.
>nerve gas
Blitzkrieg.
>colony drop
Pearl Harbor, basically. Remember that Zeon included quite a few references to Imperial Japan, too.
>no way you can kill half of humanity
Six million, goyim. Basically the WWI Allies' entire losses in genocide alone. Count in other groups and you get all WWI casualties caused by Nazis alone, against civvies. No spacenoid killed millions on his own. Spread out the task and a portion of your army is actually fucked up and committing war crimes and the rest is fighting battles because someone promised them a better future. Total losses were probably counted after the war ended. Narrator never said when those losses were tallied, so we can't assume we knew what happened during. Remember that Allies only found out about concentration camps after invading Germany.
>>13658120
like any canon? Thats why things get retconed down the line. The second was a bonus made for 0083 release, They only had zaku 2 and fz models and as it seems to be a bonus thing to show a tid bit of Cima they just went with a mobile suit they had been drawing instead of drawing a whole new unit and eating up budget as with most after thought bonus stuff.
O8th didnt come out until 4 years later, and all known sources up until that point showed only zaku 1 units to have used g3 gas to gas colonies, where as both zaku 2s looking at the colony on the bonus had zaku mgs instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Soy5_3tMH8
Thats from 08th, apparently the first link with the zaku 1 is a retcon implying it was Cimas zaku that gassed the same colony as Shiro.
Encounters in space the game where shes in the zaku 2 follows the animation of 0083, which makes sense as it had a whole campaign dedicated to 0083.
But the common link all of them show regardless of what suit or colony it was, was that she was unaware that the weapon would be something so horrible, she did not know by following orders she would be committing a war crime. The whole reason she wanted to betray delaz fleet was to be forgiven because their leaders put all the blame on them, making it so they couldn't go home at the end of the war.
What you imply is she knew by going through with her mission she would be using a banned weapon, nerve gasses like those are highly illegal and are serious war crimes even today. No matter how you grasp at straws your assumption is wrong she was used like most zeons pilots. Now the nuts who helped drop the colony onto earth yeah those crazy zeeks knew what the hell they were doing, they had the same mentality as when the US nuked Japan in ww2, mass destruction and death to force the enemy into signing a treaty to end the war faster. The only difference is the colony missed its target.
Unicorn is animated which in it's whole turn makes the TV Show airings the cannon one.
For example in Gihrens Greed you cannot even progress to ZZ or CCA with ANT ending it's game over bad ending.
So much for Black Knight...
>>13657340
the hazel appears in Another Translation during the end aoz is canon
>>13658240
>Taxation without representation
We're only ever told spacenoids have it bad off by people who would have an interest in this being the case. We're never actually shown it being true. It's possible to put characters in a show, have them throw out some lines of dialogue, and those lines not being taken as 100% factual exposition meant to fill in the setting backstory. Tomino does this plenty, giving us characters who are either lying to themselves or lying to everyone around them.
The fact remains that when the shows give us a view of colony life, it's all pretty swell. The one time prior to Unicorn (which simply shows us some apartment blocks in an ancient mining colony stuck in an asteroid) that we see "bad" conditions, it's Judau's orphan slumhouse in the ass-end of the colony that gives him easy access to work in the scrap heap. Somehow this 14yo boy living in these TERRIBLE SPACE CONDITIONS manages to have a home of his own (he's not living in an orphanage) and enough food to feed his sister comfortably and to get him swole as fuck, without resorting to being a major criminal. Amuro and Kamille have privileged parents, but even when we're not at their home colonies, we see blue "skies", rivers, great expanses of rolling green hills, and quaint space-suburbs with nearby mid- to upper-class shopping strips.
Somehow, despite the apparently horrid conditions the Federation is supposed to be inflicting on everyone with their unfair governance, there is no wide-scale rioting or revolt. Suggestions to that effect are generally retcons (see: Side 6's independence going from a peaceful secession that maintains Federation ties and facilities as seen in War in the Pocket to a crazy Zeon-supported coup that violently throws off the yoke of Feddie control). The vast majority of spacenoids are apparently OK with everything. It's just Side 3, hopped up first on a crazy religion and then the Zabi DICTATORSHIP that really has an ax to grind with Earth.
>>13658474
>>13658240
>the Federation was hardly peaceful and prosperous
It's amusing that people will accept anything that comes out of a Zeon character's mouth as gospel, or the tiniest shred of later Gundam series' retcons of canon as fact, but can't acknowledge the undisputed peace and prosperity that reigned after the formation of the Federation up until at least the UC 60s, about 100 years total. Face it, the world banded together in response to a terrible ecological crisis and actually got shit done. With the same kind of speed of industrialization and technological / cultural leaping that went on in the 20th Century, UC managed to move 80% of the population to space in just a few decades, and did it well.
And contrary to what a few people (but not all) in Unicorn will say, this wasn't forced. The timeline just doesn't support it. Colonies are being built for decades before there is any kind of serious emigration off of Earth. The Spacenoid population absolutely EXPLODES later on. You simply cannot go from a few million in space to several BILLION in one generation with the kind of sinister methods Unicorn wants us to believe the Feds employed and NOT have a huge problem resulting from it. It's a problem we don't actually see. Look at the world today and see how a few Syrian immigrants can muck everything up, or the Bosnian relocations under the Clinton administration, and then ask yourself how in the everloving fuck the Feds managed to forcefully punt A BILLION undesirable into space every five years, without any kind of issue until decades down the line. The only sensible explanation is that it didn't happen that way and the story of a novel penned by a different hand was not canon in a show that aired 26 years earlier.
The Federation had to be cool, both before and after the mass population of space. The shittiness they're supposed to have had would not have held as long as it did.
>>13658479
>>13658240
>the Third Reich ascended to power in a bloody coup
If you mean the the Nazi party saw enormous gains in democratic elections in the years leading up to Hitler being declared Chancellor, yes. There was undeniable violence in the streets surrounding all of this, but Hitler's "camp" did not assassinate their way to the top and declare themselves victorious. They won popular support, had the majority of seats in the government, and the President himself declared Hitler Chancellor. It wasn't until the President died of natural causes (cancer) that Hitler's position as leader of the ruling party became synonymous with the leadership of the country as a whole (Fuhrer), in a vote that was overwhelmingly supportive. We're talking over 80%, everywhere.
So, no, nothing like Zabis going fucking kristallnacht on Deikun's loyalists and setting up their monarchist dictatorship. Even if we don't assume that the Zabis really did kill the guy and other influential political figures, what appeared to happen from the outside (Deikun dies of natural causes; Zabi steps up and says "yeah by the way the democratically elected leader who just kicked the bucket declared me, some random rich fuck, his all-powerful successor, trust me") is still nothing like how Hitler became Fuhrer. No one suggests Hitler killed Hindenburg. While later opposition to his coming dictatorship was intimidated and silenced, the dictatorship itself only came to pass through more elections and voting among the political parties. All of this occurred even before the President died. He was just too well-liked by a significant number of the populace and capable of getting what he wanted within the letter of the law (even if that meant changing it a few times).
The Zabis are literally worse than Hitler.
>>13658482
>>13658240
>nerve gassing is the same as blitzkrieg tactics
No. Even if you mean in the sense that a blitzkrieg is a fast attack. Even that simplification is incorrect. Killing millions of people with biological weapons from within seconds of starting a war no one even knows is on is not the same as a general military strategy.
>the colony drop is the same as Pearl Harbor
No. Even if you mean in the sense that it was an attack that came out of nowhere. 4,000 casualties and the destruction of many ships is nowhere close to attempting to decisively end the war you just started. If the Japanese had somehow tried to nuke Washington, DC on December 7th, but missed and took out a third of Mexico instead, that would be like the colony drop.
>six million Jews + however many Roma, gays, and whoever else is the same as >5 billion people
No. The death of a tiny fraction of a percent of the world population over the course of severla years is not the same as nearly half of all humanity in under one. It's even worse for Zeon when the bulk of that number are the people they swear they're fighting for, ESPECIALLY when the majority of them die by Zeon's own hands. "WE'RE FIGHTING FOR YOUR INDEPENDENCE! PLEASE IGNORE HOW WE'RE SOMEHOW KILLING 4X MORE OF YOU THAN OUR EARTHBOUND ENEMY."
Further, UC Gundam and 1930s-40s Real World are in no way comparable technologically or logistically. Transportation, communication, and intelligence are vastly superior in UC. It is obviously possible to hide the existence of concentration camps for many years when you cannot get close to your enemy's homeland due to all the territory they've taken surrounding it, the crap range of your aircraft, and your limited means of gathering intelligence. In a world where the average household does not have a radio transmitter or a printing press, you can see how it might be possible to control the outflow of information, especially when it has to go hundreds of miles away by bike or shit car.
>>13658487
>>13658240
Then compare to UC 79, where you can go to the mall and buy a talking robot pal or get a ticket on a spaceship to go to Earth from the moon in a day or two on the cheap. You cannot hide the loss of whole colonies when they are all floating in the void of space, nothing between them but the vacuum, all capable of seeing and communicating with each other. Minovsky radiation (especially before months of large scale combat) doesn't mute and blind the whole Earth Sphere. The mobility of spacenoids and ease of communication both inter- and intra-colony makes 1940s Germany look like a bunch of paraplegics trying to exchange stone tablets 20 miles each way.
Zeon somehow kept their opening nerve gas salvo a secret from their soldiers and citizenry, sure. Few people were involved in the operation, they were coerced or intimidated into not speaking, and the evidence was quickly destroyed. Insinuations to the truth could be dismissed as Federation propaganda. But to suggest that everything else that Zeon did to fellow spacenoids was as easily written off is ridiculous. You wouldn't need the Federation saying that X happened, you'd have hysterical relations of spacenoids everywhere beating down the doors of anyone who'd listen, even within Zeon itself. Remember, the majority of death was at the start of the OYW, not steady to the end.
Were the "good men" working for the Nazi army at the concentration camps? Because that's what's filling the Zeonic ranks at a point a few months into the war. Even among those that go to Earth, they get to see what they're doing to the populace there, and that the people whose homes they're destroying aren't the amazing elite, but still the shitty poor (and shittier and poorer than those in space). And it's only worse for every Zeonic remnant after the end of the OYW when everything should be laid bare. If these guys weren't getting off on death, they were at the very least completely, absolutely, amazingly delusional.
why does this guy keep up bringing up A.N.T if anything it proves that the Titans were the heroes of UC.
>>13658503
Why the fuck do the Titans that didnt join back up with the federation go to Zeon in every single side story?
That's like if emperial japan joined forces with the soviets
>>13658508
He's talking about the AEUG....
![Gundam Thunderbolt ONA EP 1 RAW [NO SOUND].webm](https://i.imgur.com/Eyhzes8.jpg "Gundam Thunderbolt ONA EP 1 RAW [NO SOUND].webm")
>>13656668
>>13658515
I've always wanted to see a POV reaction to Amuro in the Gundam. For a zeke it must be like facing death itself.
Remember that 0079 is pretty much WWII but with scaled up numbers. I think you're reading too much into what the creators were doing when they threw out these ideas. It's a kids' show, it doesn't really hold up in real life.
>>13658487
>Blitz
Not Blitzkrieg strategy, the actual Blitz as a whole where Germany annexed Poland.
>Pearl Harbor
>4,000 casualties and the destruction of many ships is nowhere close to attempting to decisively end the war you just started
When the Federation's military expands, the target expands. If they're going to have a target as large as Jaburo, Zeon will aim at Jaburo. And colony drops aren't that destructive. It took out the Sydney area, not Eastern Australia.
>50% of world pop
Not all done by Zeon. WMDs were exchanged by both sides. But remember that they were throwing out huge numbers just to throw out huge numbers. I'll bet the amount of thought put into that number was: Zeon were space Nazis/Imperials so they killed many people, let's make this number have a huge impact. As for killing spacenoids, yeah, I don't think Zeon really had a plan for that. Post-war was probably going to be something along the lines of "Hey, you're 'free' now thanks to us! And we didn't kill you, that's great! Now you can choose to side with us or a crippled Federation. What do you choose, old spacenoid, old pal?".
>>13658497
It was a story for the 40s written in the late 70s. They are not professional sci-fi writers and just slapped in "well the future has space travel and robot buddies, who gives a shit about social ramifications". They didn't factor in a lot of things so Minovsky particles could have easily been an answer to a lack of communication. You don't see people on their smartphones staying up on the 24-hour news cycle displaying Zeon's new terrorist crimes or reading texts from their buddy in the colonies. We can only assume communication between colonies is as good as communication between countries in the 40s. I doubt everyone in space, even everyone joined with Zeon were free of concern. Many probably thought some shit was going on. However, you have to hunker down and stay focused on what you set out to do or you let your doubts destroy you, which is unacceptable in a warzone.
>>13658525
>WMDs were exchanged by both sides.
Not really. Most side materials suggest the federation only used nukes in an attempt to stop the falling colonies. It was just Zeon going HAM and attacking colonies that had federation fleets stationed in an attempt to wipe out the EFSF navy as quickly as possible.
Even the opening for the TV shows implies that Zeon was mostly responsible with the line "people were horrified at the atrocities committed in the name of independence."
>black knight bails as soon as people don't bend over to his views
Man it sure is autism on /m/ when it comes to this shit.
I personally have my own head canon but holy shit its a show damn.
>>13658474
>biased speakers
Sure, but we have no evidence of someone saying they had it fine, so unless these people decided their lives were shitty because Zabi told them so then at best we can say they had it no worse than Earthnoids.
>all pretty swell
We are only ever shown Federation colonies and we get hints that even those aren't great. Not revolt-worthy, though, but we never see the slums. However, I think Tomino's tactic of telling of that kind of world-building in passing is proof enough.
>no rioting or revolt
Doesn't mean there isn't discontent enough to lead to one given the right spark.
>>13658479
>peace
Alright, fine.
>colonies did it well
Disputable.
>didn't happen that way
I'm only going off of what is given to us as fact. Whether you think it was possible or not doesn't really factor in.
>>13658482
Degwin's rise to power was literally Hitler's, democratic support and all. Degwin was Zeon's #2 and after his death received the same support Zeon had, mostly because he called it the Principality of Zeon instead of the Principality of Zabi.
The Zabis are literally written to be worse parallels to Hitler. This includes the good, the bad, and the ugly. They both committed war crimes like nobody else in history (minus Stalin and perhaps Mao but those are a little different) and both had their fanatics. Zabis are supposed to be Hitler x100, so of course the numbers scale. Everything else is you reading too much in to it.
>>13658552
Funniest thing is how he boils down to
>It's not canon because I don't like it
I don't think Unicorn was in particularly any good, but no way in hell it's not canon or not part of main timeline.
>>13658557
>MSG movies are canon
>ANT is canon
>ZZ is not canon
>CCA is magically still canon
>Unicorn not canon though
Pretty funny. I don't think we'll ever know if he's trolling or if he's serious.
>>13658560
He doesn't even follow his own rules
>Side story material is not canon
Yet we see him constantly posting pictures from side story manga's to "prove" his "facts".
So more or less
>It's not canon because I don't like it
>>13658521
Not POV but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqNyIJlitvE
excuse the dogshit quality
>>13658552
>>13658561
this is why you dont respond to black knight
>>13655750
I just love how this is in no way out of context or exagerrated in any way.
Also
>/m/ whines all day every day about all protags
>finally get one fit exactly to /m/'s specifications
>"2edgy4me"
>>13657178
Are you saying that hollywood and vidyas are wrong about all nazis being baby-eating rapist monsters? You must be a neo nazi white supremacist.
>>13658614
Not but they are right about the IJA being a bunch of savages that even the Nazis found fucking nuts.
![[EG]Zeta_Gundam_Love_Is_The_Pulse_Of_The_Stars(720p_10bit_FLAC).mkv_snapshot_00.52.03_[2015.12.19_22.59.56].png](https://i.imgur.com/7TwIvUp.jpg "[EG]Zeta_Gundam_Love_Is_The_Pulse_Of_The_Stars(720p_10bit_FLAC).mkv_snapshot_00.52.03_[2015.12.19_22.59.56].png")
>>13658611
/m/ wants these guys
>>13657000
>UC Gundam has been compensating for 30 years about how bad they made Zeon.
What are the Titans.
>>13658623
You are about 70 posts late what the hell man.
>>13658623
Actual heroes of UC
>>13658651
The Titans were right about everything
>>13658652
>Jamitov's secret plan was actually the exact same secret plan as Gihren's (seen is the Zeon perfect victory ending) and Char's plan
wow why didn't you dumbasses just work together
>>13658651
>>13658652
So what exactly is happening here?
>>13658779
>sharing the credit with others
>not being in-charge
Where is your pride, /m/an?
>>13658783
Jamitov's secret plan all along was the Earth Rejuvenation Project in which he forces all of mankind off Earth so the environment can restore itself. Some of the Titans see this as a betrayal and oppose him but he just kills them.
The perfect ending for Zeon has Gihren do the exact same thing.
>>13658809
Why does everyone think this is a good idea that would work?
>>13658816
They succeed in both cases though.
Jamitov's ending is different in that it also states that they succeed in freeing the souls of man from gravity, and that mankind expands outwards into the new frontier of space.
>>13658816
Radical environmentalist do not make sense.
Gihren ending in case there's still someone on /m/ who hasn't seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRT6MwJfJ8
>>13658809
>Jamitov's secret plan all along was the Earth Rejuvenation Project in which he forces all of mankind off Earth so the environment can restore itself
Wait, Char's plan was just a copy of that then, except by forcing everyone off Earth they can turn into Newtypes as well.
>>13658809
Titans are also the only guys that can stop the Colony Drop on Dublin. Jamitov dispatches Scirocco with the colony laser and blows it to bits.
>>13658809
Does his plan still succeed if Scirocco betrays you or does that get you a different ending?
>>13658826
You have to purge Bask or he fucks everything up as always.
hah
>>13658829
Interesting. I assume why Jamitov is actually doing this stuff is not addressed at all? I mean, why the hell would the leader of the Titans care about getting people off of Earth and into space?
>>13655750
based as fuck preordered the thunderbolt mgs 10/10
zeeks btfo
>>13658840
It is adressed.
>>13658840
muh environments
>>13658840
Bask is some idiotic crony Jamitov needs in the early phases of the plan. To create a environment of violence more or less he needs to have some kind of rebellion going on so he can scare the Federal Parliament to eventually give him total control which of course dooms the clueless fools in the Federal Parliament who thinks he gives a fuck about them.
Similar to how Italian Fascist Party seized power in Italy.
I wish I could play gihren's greed but there isn't a PSVita version that I know of and I couldn't find a decent PS2 torrent.
There needs to be a new one.
>>13658855
I can upload to mediafire Axis no Kyoui V for the PS2 if you want?
>>13658859
Don't worry about it man, I already have plenty on my hands with my current gunpla project thanks for caring though.
>>13658861
No seriously it's not a problem, I got 250/100 Internet might as well but it good use for once.
>>13658809
>>13658821
>The perfect ending for Zeon has Gihren do the exact same thing
It's kind of ridiculous how that ending completely ignores how Gihren's plan wasn't 'move everyone into space' and more 'cull the weak and impure to make way for the superior race'. But then what else would you expect from something specifically designed to wank off to Zeon?
>>13658897
>It's kind of ridiculous how that ending completely ignores how Gihren's plan wasn't 'move everyone into space' and more 'cull the weak and impure to make way for the superior race'.
Yeah that ending changes it so that by "cull" they mean "force to live in space colonies" instead of gas chambers.
>>13655737
He's not, really. He's a thrillseeker with a death wish.
>>13658809
Nearly all of the good end in Gihren's greed were the same thing.New GG Revil also moved the full Earth population into space. The only ending that does not include that was for minor factions, and the only major factions who didn't force emigrate Earth were Haman's Axis and Blex's AEUG if I remember correctly.
>>13655750
>picks on cripples
>insults their taste in music
this is edgy done right, Mika agustus or whoever her name is can just fuck off
What's with /m/ nowadays and not being able to just say 'both sides have flaws' without being complete autistic spergs about it?
>>13659078
Fuck off fedfag.
>g-g-guys what about a compromise? both sides have flaws
Stop shitposting
>>13659083
>someone said something that isn't retarded
>must be a fedfag
Assblasted zeonfag detected.
>>13656749
From the pen of the man who brought us Front Mission: Dog Life, Dog Style
Sort of explains a lot right there.
>>13659122
>Front Mission: Dog Life, Dog Style
man that manga is unnecessarily violent, but i can't stop reading it
>>13657284
>The difference is Zeon owns up to their actions rather than conduct a massive cover up.
The difference here is that Zeon carried out their attacks when using poison gas wasn't illegal yet. Just INCREDIBLY reprehensible.
The entire reason the Titans initially swept their first use under the rug - cause let's be real, Bask is a man who loves himself a show of force - is thanks to the fact Zeon's cockwaving with it in the OYW got it outlawed.
>>13658897
Wasn't Sunrise's official by-line to read the cut-scenes within the alternate GG timelines as in-universe propaganda films?
Which would seem to explain why so many all still end in 'Happy times for all!'
![[EG]Zeta_Gundam_Heirs_To_The_Stars(720p_10bit_FLAC).mkv_snapshot_01.00.01_[2015.12.20_14.45.52].png](https://i.imgur.com/IaTcFSE.jpg "[EG]Zeta_Gundam_Heirs_To_The_Stars(720p_10bit_FLAC).mkv_snapshot_01.00.01_[2015.12.20_14.45.52].png")
>>13658861
Here you go champ
Have fun!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/e7m2e53z11wcx1w/GIREN_V.7z
>>13659357
Thanks anon merry christmas
>>13658560
Unicorn isn't, though. I'm surprised he's not hopping all up and down its dick though considering all its Zeonwank gives the most support to his crazy justifications of them.
>>13658560
I like how I can read this post and
P instantly know who you're talking about without even going up the reply chain.
>>13658515
>Zakurape
aw yeah, based feddies
fuck the zekegafs
>>13659673
Just stop jesus, Unicorn was commissioned specifically by Sunrise and it turned into a smash hit there is no way in hell it's not canon. It's printing them money left and right from novel,ova, manga version, 5000000 side stories and model kits.
>>13659783
>it makes money so it's the new canon
They could make money by saying Char and Amuro's Newtype ghosts come back from space to reinhabit OYW suits with new upgrades and have DBZ-styled battles before the suits spontaneously generate living clones of them, but that doesn't mean it makes sense or is in line with the series' previous storytelling.
>>13659783
I would probably love Unicorn if I was still a teen.
>>13655750
Well the Zekes have shit taste in music.
>>13660138
>money by saying Char and Amuro's Newtype ghosts come back from space to reinhabit OYW suits with new upgrades and have DBZ-styled battles before the suits spontaneously generate living clones of them,
Well if Sunrise decides so then yeah it's canon. Unicorn was a massive hit whatever you like it or not it's canon.
![334221334_2827315308[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nlBjK9E.jpg "334221334_2827315308[1].jpg")
>>13658472
I'm sorry, but AOZ is tv continuity. In the novel, they reference the Dakar arc which is only in the tv version, not the movies. and this was published well after the movies so the author chose to specifically Place AOZ in the tv continuity. Sorry.
on the other hand given the choice to set it in the tv universe has ultimatyely led to series degenerating to the point it's become somebody's ZZ/F90 fanfiction about Glemy Toto Army remnants VS Mars Zeon Oldsmobile Army, wishing they went with the ANT continuity is understandable
>>13660431
Pretty obvious that was irony....
>>13659074
But that's actually part of Haman's endgame in ZZ, what the fuck
>>13660431
AoZ is just working with Glemy and Puru's unexplored but previously alluded to backstory, which is better than all the shit Unicorn pulls out of its ass from one line about Mineva being fake. (Which was only there to legitimize Haman as anti-Zabi in the first place)
The concept for Alicia Zabi is 30 years old setting material anyways.
>>13660431
>Glemy Toto Army remnants VS Mars Zeon Oldsmobile Army
why would anybody do this
>>13660431
>novels
>canon
pick one
>>13658521
For Amuro, it was Tuesday.
>>13655737
asshole? why is that? because he shits on Zekes all day and goes back to the ship and fucks the captain? Yeah what an asshole! How dare he kill those glorious Zeon pilots who didnu nuffin!
>>13655750
If he's honest about being a dick he's aight. Also, remember the Zeon forces are almost all amputees in Thunderbolt IIRC, so insulting them should be par for the course.
>>13661311
Not saying anything about AOZ in relation to wider canon, just that as far as AOZ itself is concerned, it takes place in TV continuity.
>>13658052
Because Yazan is unintentionally hilarious in how insane he is
>>13660138
>but that doesn't mean it makes sense or is in line with the series' previous storytelling.
It does though.
>>13661990
Even after all these years I can't quite get over Yazan's turtle chest tattoo, or the fact that he wears his uniform in such a way to show it off.
>>13658357
1. The gassing wasn't a war crime. Read up on the Antarctic Treaty, NBCs weren't banned until after the treaty was put into affect.
2. People seem to forget that she was given a promotion to Lieutenant Colonel, her own fleet and a home defense job. If she were really morally outraged by what she did, she'd raise a stink about it. But she didn't.
>>13658453
>bad ending
For whom?
>>13658552
>Implying I don't do things outside of /m/
>Assume I'd leave your smugness out of check.
>>13658561
>It's not canon because I don't like it
If that's the case I'd consider SEED Destiny non canon, but it still is. Good job losing all credibility with your unfounded lies.
>>13659156
That, is a reasonable statement.
>>13663327
It wasnt a war crime for using gas it was a war crime for killing civilians.
>>13657000
>Apparently they think that moral ambiguity makes the story cool. It really doesn't, though
Wow, some people really can't take anything without a definite hero and villain? So you need only white and black sides? That's really primitive.
>>13663945
I told a friend to watch 0080 and he didn't like it because he "couldn't tell who the bad guy is"
>>13663327
Let this thread die already you imbecile.
>>13663950
I hope most of /m is not like this.
>>13663327
>credibility
Someone who is implying SEED is good talking about credibility good lord.
When is Thunderbolt officially released?
>>13663996
Christmas 12pm JST.
>>13664045
chstimas what? eve? day?
>>13664049
In 2 hours.
>>13663974
>Possessing reading comprehension
>you
pick one
>>13663664
Civilians who lived in a structure that housed military personal. That's like crying about residential areas that get hit by bombs when the target is the military base that's right next to them.
>>13664049
It's already the 25th over there
>>13664162
Who the fuck is this guy quoting?
>>13664164
You newfags really need to lurk more to know the versatility of greentext.Of course you won't and will continue to just shitpost here with impunity.
>>13664200
this idiot does not even know about "who are you quoting"
>>13664212
>I-I-I-I was just memeing!
I accept your surrender.
>>13664224
>surprise I was only pretending to be trolled!
Sa
Su
Ga
>>13664272
So you admit defeat and that you are a shitposter, nice.
I thought spacenoids didn't know what lightning was
Statement: It wasn't a war crime when the Americans dropped firebombs and nuclear bombs on Japan, so it shouldn't apply to Zeon either. Just because they had more accurate weapons at their disposal that wouldn't have resulted in the deaths of everyone does not change that fact.
>>13664500
Japan was wrong just like Zeon.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=769046
>>13664511
Yes, but not wrong like the Americans.
>>13664527
There was only one person who was right in that war and his name starts with an H and ends with jeff
>>13664500
The japs took first blood not us.
>>13664533
It doesn't have to be right, just not wrong.
>>13664536
So did Zeon. And the Federation according to Black Knight.
>>13664524
4K fucking when?
>>13664548
when upscaling tech stops being shit (it doesn't by its nature of being upscaling)
>>13664552
720 is downscaled from an upscale you retard
>>13664555
see, even you fucking call it an upscale
>>13664552
Thunderbolt is animated in 4K, which is a first for the series.
>>13664567
It is? What's the point?
>>13664543
>And the Federation according to Black Knight.
Sort of. They tried to take Side 6 back by force before the war started. Side 6 asked Side 3 for help and the EF occupation forces were driven out by early Zaku. That was before the One Year War, though. Zeon struck first in the actual war, and only three seconds after officially declaring war.
>>13664573
Japan feels like the american KKK is too degenerate and non-aryan so they made their own superior racist group
>>13664567
Is it actually broadcasted or webstreamed in 4K? If it is then there should be raw rips in 4K..
The source material size is pointless if it's not delivered to the consumer in that format (e.g., the debacle where some movies are filmed in 70mm but get butchered and shown in most theatres at standard size).
>>13664589
they might be saving it for the eventual blu ray release
>>13664573
Easier to draw lots of hatching.
>>13664592
What?
The reason why anime doesn't get released in 1080p right is because it also airs on television
hhhnngg that first person zaku footage
>>13664578
No, that's wrong for several reasons.
The Federation never deployed troops to Side 6. Zeon deployed some of its fleet assets around Side 6 when it declared independence as a show of support and solidarity (and to guard against any possible Federation retaliation) but a fight never broke out. The EFF and Zeon didn't clash until the start of the war itself, otherwise the EFF would have already known about the effectiveness of the Zaku.
Hell, it's always been stated that the first combat deployment of the Zaku was at the Battle of Loum Before that, Zakus had escorted the colony during a part of Operation British but didn't take part in any actual combat.
Second, Black Knight says that the EFF struck the first blow of the war by putting Side 3 under economic sanctions and embargoes after Deikun declared independence, and that Zeon's "Three Second Declaration" was a preemptive -defensive- move on what he says was the EFF readying for war (despite the fact that the EFF was totally unprepared and was utterly decimated while still stationed at their respective lagrange points). I've argued with Black Knight enough to know.
>>13664614
>you will never feel a beam saber hit you and instantly pulverise your body
>>13664615
>cutting someone off from trade with you after they say they're going to declare independence from you is an act of war
And this is why it saddens me that we continue to take Zeeks seriously to this day.
It's like firebombing your old workplace for not continuing to pay you after you QUIT.
>>13664543
>according to Black Knight.
There are actually people who take Black Knight seriously? Just how stupid can one be?
>>13664640
Didn't you know that holding a Naval Review is an act of war so terrible that it justifies an enemy deliberately targeting most of your civilian population for extermination?
>>13664640
>be a dog
>owner gives me food
>doesn't really play with me or take me on walks but at least he's not abusive
>likes his cat more
>run away
>stupid asshole owner doesn't leave food out on his porch for me
>jump back into his yard to bite all the other dogs, then run off again
>wait outside his car one morning and bite his wife in the leg
>bite him, too
>get Animal Control called on me, kenneled after my long reign of terror
>my puppies will have my vengeance
>>13664671
I already stated the canon fact. And then BK's fucked up view after that fact.
>>13664700
i've seen some dumb analogies but this is the dumbest one
>>13655761
It's on GundamOfficial now with multiple language subs.
>>13655744
Like a motherfucker. While listening to jazz.
>>13664700
>tell Dad to eat a dick and move out
>get removed from bank account
>nerve gas the neighbors
>>13664700
Where is the part when the dog kills off half of humanity?
>>13664719
more like
>move out by crashing my neighbour's car through the wall
>dad fights me so i move back in
>>13664706
>be a delicious sandwich
>asshole won't put mayo on me
>stab him in the roof of the mouth with a hidden toothpick
>>13664613
Hmm they didn't include the PV for episode 2 in the Youtube version. Coming in February.
>>13664733
>that everything
>>13664615
>The Federation never deployed troops to Side 6
It's a side-story manga. I've seen it posted here before, but I don't have it.
>>13664733
Is the psyco Zaku cg when it rises through the elevator?
That seems like such a simpel shot to do
>>13664729
>mow Mr. Feddie's lawn every week
>fuck this, it's hot, quit
>don't get paid this week
>park sister's car in Mr. Feddie's garage with a flaming rag in the gas tank
>>13664733
Isn't redhead megane deaf? Why yell at her? Humans don't have skin-talk.
>>13664615
>The Federation never deployed troops to Side 6
Legacy disagrees
>>13664752
He's literally going I IMPLORE YOU TO RECONSIDERcutting off Darryl's arm
>>13664758
>manga
>canon
>>13664761
More canon than ZZ
>>13664758
>Nakamura and Chiba
>2005
>>13664743
Either placeholder or its just dramatic lighting. I hope
>>13664765
Sure, but is it worth having an argument about which of the Special Ed kids is technically the least retarded?
>>13664768
Not that using CG to cheat is a crime or anything but it just strikes me as odd when they animate all that other shit and then the still frame of the zaku moving up is CG
>>13664773
If one of those Special Ed kids were mine? To the death
REMINDER: The Jews funded Neo Zeon so they could take back Israel.
>>13658515
Cool scene, but the Zaku reacts too much like it is a human imo. It's not a living thing after all.
>Go into thread looking for discussion about thunderbolt
>get thread shitposting about all manner of things besides Thunderbolt
>very few thunderbolt discussion
holy crap /m/ you can't even shit post the topic of the thread let alone discuss it anymore what the hell?
>>13664733
Does the DOM finally get an on screen kill (excluding build babies)?
>>13664807
But Gold would lose it's value when you start mining in space, the jews are clearly feddies
>>13664831
Federation apologists ruin everything on /m/
>>13664833
It will eventually unless they cut this
>>13664877
GM Cannon also gets its big moment
>>13664833
Matilda got squished by a DOM. Does that count?
>>13664881
>big moment
>murdering waifus
typical
>>13665007
>performs beam surgery to remove suicide bombers
>saves only zeon waifu that matters
Dr Jim is a hero
>>13665027
>zeon waifus that matter
They all matter you subhuman.
Is Gelgoog is similar performance to Gundam?
>>13665042
The only good zeek is a dead zeek.
>>13665043
Yes.
>>13665050
Watch that Edge, Fed.
>>13665082
>killing zekes is edgy
Which faction struck first? Which one used nerve gas first? Which one has the higher kill count? Which one keeps popping back up after getting knocked the fuck out and forced to sign peace treaties?
Every chapter of UC makes it increasingly evident that the only way to achieve peace for any meaningful amount of time is to completely wipe out Zeon. If there's even one of them left around, they'll spread and start New Shin Neo Dai Zeon GXX Part 2. Even once they're completely out of the picture, shit is still getting stirred by similarly wacky monarchists who are Zeon in everything but name.
no 1080p?
>>13665148
This guy knows whats up. Zeeks aren't even people anyways, so its really just pest control.
>>13664322
The only surrender I know of is that time your sister capitulated to my dick.
LMAOOO
