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>>13575362
>>13589049
>The last thing Hiroto ever did was posing in drag for a portrait.
Worst Gobain ever.
>>13589058
>>The last thing Hiroto ever did
Don't you get it? When he was shot by Dustin he got sent back in time and was adopted by the president of the US. It's a time loop, Hester is actually a grown up Hiroto with amnesia. That's why their faces and voices are so alike.
>>13589063
>Hiroto as Hester is just an even more butthurt Bizon.
Oh, the poetry!
>no Acht to keep up the theme
Hester pls
We're all agreed that Hester must be Maya's grandmother or something, right?
>>13589072
Is there actually a conversion kit for Zwolf? That doesn't look painted either.
>>13589072
Whoa wait where the hell is that image from?
The Zwölf doesn't have a RD, that must be a custom or something.
>>13589072
I like how the episode implies that Hester used to be just like Maya when she was younger and that Maya's path will inevitably lead her to becoming just like her father and Hester.
>>13589085
>>13589087
I have no idea. It just showed up on my Twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/white_wkm/status/673042163538636800
>>13589072
>RD Zwolf never
>RD Vier never
>RD Dreizehn never
>>13589119
Customs.
>>13589119
>>13589128
Scratched weapons
>>13589119
>>13589128
Was gonna post the exact Vier image, turns out it's just a fucking great customizer. Damn nice work.
Isn't most of the USA gone in Fafner?
>>13589132
>>13589128
>>13589119
And if you go back further you see that the Zwolf is a Sieben with the backpack ripped off and modded
https://twitter.com/white_wkm/status/648123087037181952
https://twitter.com/white_wkm/status/646369084762779648
https://twitter.com/white_wkm/status/652724837375328256
https://twitter.com/white_wkm/status/652719836070416384
>>13589049
>be American
>get shot
>>13589141
Not quite, the flight model has a lot of key different features. I'd guess it was Drei or Elf.
>>13589140
Don't they keep loads of ships in reserve or something?
Even if their entire navy got worm sphere'd activating those ships and moving millions should be possible since NATO didn't fell instantly.
Or they simply overran Mexico.
>>13589109
Hester didn't have a Kazuki-kun! Take that back!
Americans confirmed for doing everything wrong again
So what was that Twitter announcement about?
>>13589417
Final episode is a one hour special to air in early February.
>>13589428
I actually believe that the announcement will be about final episode's length. But I will fucking kill you if you're right about the date it will air.
>>13589417
Robot Damashii Sein and Nicht re-release confirmed.
>>13589431
don't joke about that
>>13589417
Conclusion to the series will be a movie, airing in spring 2017.
>>13589417
They're holding an IRL birthday party for Soushi.
>>13589417
Spinoff slice of life school comedy manga Fafner Gakuen announced.
>>13589417
Model kits by Kotobukiya announced
>>13589417
Dead Aggressor remaster
>>13589444
Don't joke about this one please
>>13589417
RoL movie
>>13589417
Six episode prequel OVAabout Hesterconfirmed.
>>13589049
>No Acht
why tho?
>>13589417
We have been through this, it's a new pachinko machine. With pachinko exclusive anime footage.
maya's adam's apple was cute in the new episode
>mfw
>>13589846
Hey man, they were pure 100% Festum Factor free Orphans who were cooperating with her and not leaking Intel to the alien hivemind in some attempt to bring about UNDERSTANDING that totally didn't backfire for everyone involved with the only group really benefiting from it in the end being the leakers
>they keep bringing up Hiroto in his box form
is this ever going to stop
>>13589846
>Ho ho ho! Nice try, Kazuki Makabe. Thought you could slip one past the Big Guy, huh? Naughty.
Santa confirmed NUNs
>>13589846
>>13589950
Festum confirmed for naughty list forever.
>>13589934
Probably about the time they finish with Canon's hat.
Hell, at least Hiroto's remains are actually in the box.
>>13589987
>Hell, at least Hiroto's remains are actually in the box.
We've never seen the interior of his box though.
>>13589965
>Well, Festum, you've been a good kid this year. Santa has lots of good stuff for you this Christmas!
>>13590021
>mfw
>>13589999
We've never seen many bodies in Fafner to begin between assimiliation effects and a tendency for dramatic explosions.
But I have to imagine we haven't seen the inside of Hiroto's box for the same reason we never saw inside Bernie's cockpit.
I don't think the audeince is meant to be in doubt.
>>13590082
Oh he's dead, I'm just wondering what's inside.
>>13590086
Burnt flesh?
Wait so things I don't get
1. How is being the president's daughter something that lets you obtain a position of power? Government isn't hereditary.
2. So this whole thing is that she hates humanity for killing dad?
3. Why DID they kill him for forming the Human Army? Was there a downside back then, I don't think they had ROE Alpha at the time so who would get pissed at a coalition force to defend mankind?
>>13590105
Man, you're fucking stupid.
>>13590105
1. Political families have power. See the Bushes and Clintons and Kenedy's
2. She doesn't hate humanity. She resolved that if humanity is going to self destruct rather than fight Festum, that she'll remove the elements of humanity who would rather fight against saving humanity.
3. Because people are fucking petty and opportunistic. Haven't you watched any other mecha anime where regardless of the current threat you've still got people fighting amongst themselves for their own goals?
Idiot.
>>13590111
What? All she says is her father, the former president, was killed for endorsing the Human Army's formation, and then it cuts to her saying that if humanity is the cause of our destruction and not the Festum, then she'll save humanity from themselves.
I don't see how that negates my first and third question, since the first can be just Japan misunderstanding how American government works, and the third doesn't say anything beyond that one line. I know she has the whole plan to save the "pure" humanity and stop those who go against that, but it's shot in the foot because she nukes anyone that so much as disagrees with her.
>>13590139
So I'm an idiot for asking questions to clarify things for me instead of just assuming and staying wrong?
>>13590105
Regarding the third point, do you really believe that if an American President endorsed the creation of a UN controlled world army incorporating the US military there wouldn't be literally millions of nuts trying to kill him?
Yes, even in the face of an apocalyptic alien onslaught.
>>13590147
How autistic do you have to be not to be able to piece >>13590139 this together?
>>13590154
Yeah, that one is a supremely obvious thing, I don't know how that anon didn't get it.
>>13590105
>Government isn't hereditary.
It is in America. And Japan. It is in most "democracies" actually.
>>13590158I am genuinely autistic
>>13590160
It's funny how people actually believe that "democracy" is "the people government."
>Tatsumiya tries to protect peace for a small group of people while leaving the rest of humanity to hang out to dry
>A-OK
>Hester wants to do the the same thing except actually eliminating the enemy and granting permanent and guaranteed peace to all future generations
>wow literally the devil
>>13590166
No that is a democracy, which is why we have a republic. A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, it's essentially mob rule.
>>13590168
It's not the goal, it's the method.
>>13590168
>to all future generations
You're forgetting the 2+ Billion that have to be sacrificed.
Also, Tatsumiyajima didn't leave anyone out to dry, they were the one's that got left to fend for themselves.
You sound like this autist. >>13590105
>>13590173
A Republic still uses "democracy" as its core, though. My point is that the ruling clases didn't change, just changed their tittles from nobility to politicians. Believing that the people rule, or that know how to choose a leader, is idiocy.
>>13590183
Those 2+ Billion might as well be dead with the way most of them have to "live". If anything, she's doing them a favor.
>>13590188
The people don't deserve control over their own destiny. Have you met the average voter?
>>13590203
>>13590207
Samefag
>>13590207
I know. 2-6-2. That 60% is really the worst, just look at Venezuela.
>>13590219
>2-6-2
I can't say I'm familiar with that phrase.
>>13590226
Bell Curve simplification?
I don't know specifically either, but I think I know what he's saying.
>>13590240
I thought of that too, but using it in pure numbers threw me off.
>>13590226
>>13590240
It's something you hear about a lot in leadership courses. I don't know the origin but it asumes that of any given group of people 20% are smart and high performers, 20% are really bad performers and 60% are mediocre performers. Usually the advise you to focus on the 60% instead on the others two.
>>13590147
>So I'm an idiot for asking questions to clarify things for me instead of just assuming and staying wrong?
No, you're an idiot for not being able to have basic grammar and character comprehension and understand the basic set up of the scenes.
You're probably the same guy who cries about how comically evil and stupid Hester is for not agreeing to just live under the control of giant alien crystals and that she should be basing how humanity should live entirely on how a single island nation with a minuscule population that has turned down every offer of corporation in the past, refused to assist in larger fights against the enemy until they were at deaths door, has unarguably leaked information that bolstered the enemies fighting force to even higher levels and lives one step away from total annihilation by Festum more times than they can count even WITH their advanced tech and cooperation with enemy factions.
>>13590268
>for not agreeing to just live under the control of giant alien crystals
Yeah because what she did instead is working out swimmingly now
>>13590268
Calm down Hester, wouldn't want you to get upset and ROE Alpha the thread.
>>13590188
A republic doesn't have to have democracy, did you think the representatives in Rome for the plebian masses were voted in?
>>13590268
You lose the moral high ground in the argument when you use an enslaved festum to turn people into mindless puppets that you delete the personality of at a whim, use the nuclear option like a person who scrubs down a whole room at the sight of a single dustbunny when nukes don't even work on the big ones anymore, and ultimately your plan is to fuck over all but the elite of humanity to save yourselves.
>>13590278
Fucking should. nuAcht is sexier than a portrait of Hiroto.
>>13590268
Nothing wrong with giving Hester soe depth, but I actually prefer the comically evil version of her.
>>13590296
Also this.
>>13590292
Consul was elected by the plebiscite, and actually had considerable power.
>>13590270
Now you're being petty. Just because her plan ended up having unforeseen consequences that bit her in the ass brought about by a lack of understanding enemy physiology doesn't suddenly make all the shit the Islanders have done 100% perfect.
Understanding sure worked out well in DA after all. Polarsis was going to kill everyone regardless of how the Islanders felt and they ultimately only made it and it's offspring better at doing so.
The Islands life style is living as nomads on the razors edge. This is not feasible for the majority of the surviving population when the Island basically hides as much as it can and just lets the Festum attack others for cover.
And the Islanders have done nothing to Vagrant and yet he still seems to be planning on gunning them down as well for his own purposes. So the Islands ultra pacifism fails once again.
Just because we are presented the story from the side of the Islanders and are meant to sympathize with them doesn't make all their actions and choices justified.
>>13590296
>Use enslaved festum to turn people into mindless puppets
Or when you breed children specifically for super soldier traits and better compatibility with your death robots.
>use the nuclear option like a person who scrubs down a whole room at the sight of a single dustbunny
When any intelligence gained by the enemy can lead to the advent of the Reflection Type Festum or Azazels, or Idun who have caused significant loss of life
>nukes don't even work on the big ones anymore
False. Roadrunner is shown surviving the nukes but was damaged. What was lacking was a clean up crew to take advantage of the weakened state. Nice try.
> ultimately your plan is to fuck over all but the elite of humanity to save yourselves.
It's not the elite of humanity. It's the humans with a genetic resistance to enemy influence, which can mean the survivors if faced with Festum again do not need such scorched earth tactics.
Get some perspective.
>>13590296
>and ultimately your plan is to fuck over all but the elite of humanity to save yourselves.
Kinda reminds me of President Eden's plan in FO3 to introduce the mutated FEV strain into the water supply so it kills anything that drinks it that has radiation inherent in the body. Which is basically everyone but the Enclave and BoS, and I guess the people in the Vaults.
>>13590309
>Just because we are presented the story from the side of the Islanders and are meant to sympathize with them doesn't make all their actions and choices justified.
Doesn't it?
Rina is beautifulinb4 stop posting Sui
>>13590309
The problem with your attempt at moral relativism is that in the end, the islanders ARE in the right by how the narrative is written. They're the ones we're supposed to care about, not NUN.
It's a lot like classic Star Wars. In the OT everything is very very good or very very bad, and anyone that tries to skirt the line between the two and be neutral is forced to take a side, like Lando. In Fafner, humans are split betwwen the NUN and the Islanders, and the majority of the NUN characters are shown as bad people, and the Islanders as good. And what happens to every NUN member that becomes understanding and good? They end up defecting to the island.
>>13590082
We're not. Remember, Hiroto promised to bring back KIBOU to Seri.
>>13590082
>>13589999
It's goop, what the hell else would be in there?
>>13590358
Then the EUfags who maintain Sheev dindonuffin he was only trying to prepare to fight the Vong and the rebels fucked it up
>>13590358
Them being the protagonists does not make everything they do right or justified.
Protagonists screwing up and making mistakes is what keeps Fafner from being Gundam SEED Destiny.
Unless we're meant to believe feeding little girls to aliens is the correct thing to do so they'll help.
The Island has it flaws, but the hostile Festum and NUNs are more flawed. The Island exists as the point where Humanity and Festum can meet which is why group tend to end up there.
It's the best of the 3 options.
But that doesn't make the Festum or the Nuns completely unjustified. The Festum sinned through ignorance and then out of hatred, the Nun Humans sinned out of a desire to live and then out of hatred. The Island is the place that while sinning to survive is not giving into hatred
>>13590309
>Or when you breed children specifically for super soldier traits and better compatibility with your death robots.
The kids are given a choice actually, and at least some of the pilots were already born before the Zero Fafner start-up test even happened. The gene engineering just helped them get born. Later they developed the TSXs and Nothung tech to take advantage of the genes. No doubt because Mitsuhiro said fuck it let's use the kids they're partially Festum.
>It's not the elite of humanity.
Their preferential treatment makes them elite.
>Islands ultra pacifism fails once again.
They aren't doing that anymore. The island's walking exemplar of its will is all about fighting and tells people to fight.
Besides, they were never ultra pacifist to begin with, if they were they'd have never developed the Fafners in the first place. Just isolationist.
>the Islanders have done nothing to Vagrant
No, Hester has. If Hester had never attacked Atlantis, Vagrant in his current iteration (notice I'm not saying Vagrant or something like it wouldn't have spawned from Atlantis's Mir) would not have existed.
>Nice try.
Judging by all the NUNs affiliated people's reaction to Roadrunner finally getting fought off, I don't doubt the other guys assertion that "nukes don't work" is false. Even a-then-non-Azazel Mir on a boat managed to create a cool magic anti-nuke shield.
>doesn't make all their actions and choices justified.
Conceivably, but, just as it is for Hester, survival is often its own justification.
Basically what this guy said >>13590174
>>13590411
>EUfags
Not anymore.
>>13590445
>Unless we're meant to believe feeding little girls to aliens is the correct thing to do so they'll help.
That's Miwa's choice, actually.
Choice is a pretty important theme in Fafner, it just gets looked over a lot more than muh hope.
>>13590405Bowling shoes
This is really nice
https://twitter.com/YS_HONTEN/status/577785820502851584
https://twitter.com/TakashiNoto/status/673176704165130241
Chocolat confirmed for the final boss of Exodus, destroyer of worlds, I told you the dog was pure evil.
>>13590624
>it's a 4 Festum hang out in Rakuen episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHq-v4HJVqE
>>13590637
>It was me, Canon
>>13590624
>>13590637
>>13590645
I'll just leave thishere
>>13590624
We Silent Hill 2 now?
>>13590183
>Tatsumiyajima didn't leave anyone out to dry
Tatsumiyajima is responsible for drastically escalating the level of threat posed by the Festum (mostly by Tsubaki, Soushi, etc teaching them about humanity) on a global scale, and refuses to share their advanced anti-Festum technology and methods with the rest of the world. If that doesn't constitute "leaving people out to dry," I don't know what does.
>>13590916
>and refuses to share their advanced anti-Festum technology and methods with the rest of the world.
The rest of humanity can't use them anyway. Nothungs assimilate anyone trying to use them without being genetically engineered to.
>>13590947
They've made plenty of other advancements that don't have that restriction, though.
>>13590916
The Japanese who went on to develop Tatsumiyajima were the ones left out to dry when most of their entire population got nuked because of baseless fearmongering. I'm sorry, but if you think they should be readily trusting of the the organization that did that to them, well, you're fucking stupid.
Also, they were prepared to hand over Mk. Sechs, so to say the island refuses to share is wrong. They actually make a conscious decision to save Hester and send out Mk. Elf, which they didn't have to do.
>>13590965
>got nuked because of baseless fearmongering
What? You mean how the Seto Island Mir was rendering all life sterile in Japan and how Festum were all converging in Japan to acquire the Seto Island Mir for Polaris. Gee willikers, that SURE is baseless fear mongering.
I guess it was totally baseless to be afraid that the effects would spread outside of Japan so not only would humanity be dealing with horrible mind reading aliens, but a friendly alien crystal destroying all Terran Native lifeforms ability to reproduce.
Get off your fucking high horse and get some perspective. Understand that your viewpoint is based on foreknowledge that the people in that situation would have.
Also realize that based on the the >>13589167
Japan isn't the fucking only place that received that treatment. Japan might not have even been the first time nukes were used and it certainly wasn't the last.
The Japanese survivors were just lucky enough to have a non-hostile enemy element they could develop technology off of.
>>13591001
I think the circles indicate chunks that fell to the ocean not necessarily nukes.
Why would someone nuke that chunk of Australia so far way from north pole for no reason?
Inb4 Festum copying australian wildlife.
>>13591028
>Why would someone nuke that chunk of Australia so far away from North Pole for no reason
Because they're fighting giant magical mind reading aliens for 30 years and in the end Nukes have been the only thing that's ever really worked for DECADES
There's no fucking way that's just natural "erosion" That's either damage caused by nukes or damage caused by Festum.
Which when you factor in all the land mass lost, makes up several Japans. While it's understandable that the Alvis' would be hesitant to cooperate after the destruction of Japan, they aren't some martyr nation that are to have suffered RIDICULOUS causalities in lives and landmass during this war. Each of those chunks represent massive amounts of life lost
Fafner is NOT that far into the future where that much land mass could have been lost naturally. The fucking Golden Record is still relevant.
>>13591057
>Fafner is NOT that far into the future where that much land mass could have been lost naturally.
He doesn't know about climate change.
>>13591068
Not him, but you don't seem to know about it either. Even if you melt all the poles, which you can clearly see on the map that are still frozen, you won't get nothing close to that. There are even places that should be underwater, like currently they are under the sea level, that are not flooded at all.
>>13591078
The ocean is a Festum. It can do what it wants.
>>13590445
>Them being the protagonists does not make everything they do right or justified.
It's not that they're the protagonists, it's that the story says they're right. Even if they were the antagonists that wouldn't change that.
>defending NUN
>ever
I have literally no reason to side with anyone from NUN when the only sympathetic characters join the island.
I don't care if that's a simplistic way of looking at the world, NUN can fuck off.
>>13591138
It's just the sperg.
>>13591120
The story says they're the best option available.
They still aren't perfect and the island itself has progressed rapidly and learned from it's mistakes
>>13591138
>When the only sympathetic characters join the island.
Only because at the point they join they have no alternative.
>>13591145
I'm a sperg because I can acknowledge that this isn't a black and white conflict? That Fafner is good because it's created a scenario where if you apply even a single brain cell you can realize that Hester's and the Nuns style of running thing is perfectly feasible and rational for an organization that's been on the losing side of saving humanity for 30 years.
>>13591163
>I'm a sperg because I can acknowledge that this isn't a black and white conflict?
No, it's not that.
>>13591169
Why then oh enlightened one.
>>13591001
>I guess it was totally baseless to be afraid that the effects would spread outside of Japan so not only would humanity be dealing with horrible mind reading aliens, but a friendly alien crystal destroying all Terran Native lifeforms ability to reproduce.
From an in-universe perspective this is clearly understandable, though. The Japanese people had to deal with being rendered sterile by a then-nearly unknown alien threat, and then have every capable country swoop in and nuke the fuck out of them before they could do anything. They might not have even known why at the time. If not for the Arcadian Project, the people of Tatsumiya would have been wiped out before they even had the chance to develop any useful technology. There's no question there.
Also remember this happened within the lifetimes of all the island's adults, Fumihiko for example would have been around twelve when Japan was nuked, going by the timeline. When the majority of everybody's life that you know is spent being hunted and attacked by forces like the NUN, a representation of literally the rest of humanity, you're going to hesitate to trust them.
I get trying to see things from a more balanced perspective, but as the audience we're also privy to a whole lot more information from either side. No matter what this isn't a fight that can just be won with brute force like most of the NUN wants, say all you want about leaking information, but without Tatsumiya humanity would have no chance at peace.
>>13591163
I think people here believe that your are arguing "The NUN is justified in its approach to the Festum issue!" instead of "The NUN did what they believed was reasonable based on the info they had and being on the losing end of war with magic giant golden monsters."
>>13591176
You're a sperg because you're a sperg.
>>13591163
>perfectly feasible and rational
I can understand the reason for their actions but isn't their actions way too extreme?
Hester should be feeding Clowler and the research facility cruise missiles first before resorting to nukes. At the very least Clowler has to tank the missiles so that Nicht can deal the finishing blow since they should be aware that Salvatores are capable of taking down Azazels.
>>13591057
>makes up several Japans.
Dude, you're really overestimating the size of Japan. You could fit several Japans into just one of the circled areas.
>>13591194
Why? They know it won't work. Azazel types laugh at conventional weapons. Hell, even a nuke just barely hurt Roadrunner.
>>13591177
True enough, but that's why the island progress makes sense. Even though they were born out of the destruction of Japan and carry that resentment, by isolating themselves they've done nothing to really resolve the conflict and escalation of the conflict can be linked back to them. They still share responsibility and the moral thing to do is to take responsibility. I keep looking back at Billy's little "Why don't you help people" thing back in early Exodus and even though Rina lashing out is justified I can see Billy's point of view was justified too.
>>13591178
Really? People can't make that distinction? I thought I was clear. I've not been saying the Nuns were right, I'm saying that Nuns actions and policies make sense based on the information, resources and perspective they have available.
The Island's also makes sense, but the island has been privy to more information and access to a Mir fragment for a far longer time.
>>13591194
>I can understand the reason for their actions but isn't their actions way too extreme?
Not really. Azazel Types are natural disasters in of themselves. Hester based her move on decades of prior experience and that experience told her that her current resources were not enough to hold out against an Azazel's assault. That's why they were making the Raison. Even if the nukes won't kill Crawler, at least Crawler won't gain anything from it's attack and at least might be weakened for a bit like Roadrunner.
>>13591199
I think his point is that they have a Salvator (no e), Nicht, on hand that is capable of defeating an Azazel.
>>13591204
>"Why don't you help people"
They do. They joined in with Heaven's Door, they saved Hester, and Fumihiko allowed info to get leaked to the NUN. Even after all that, they still got an attempted nuking. Are you a battered woman or something?
>>13589072
What if her and Nishio were sisters?
>>13591163
The whole point of Hester is to show a character that has gone too far, and that Maya can easily become as hate-filled as her.
You're not supposed to side with her, you're supposed to see her as a warning.
>>13589109
>I like how the episode implies that Hester used to be just like Maya when she was younger and that Maya's path will inevitably lead her to becoming just like her father and Hester.
Sounds like UBW.
>>13589548
FUCK PACHINKO
>>13591204
>Not really. Azazel Types are natural disasters in of themselves. Hester based her move on decades of prior experience and that experience told her that her current resources were not enough to hold out against an Azazel's assault. That's why they were making the Raison. Even if the nukes won't kill Crawler, at least Crawler won't gain anything from it's attack and at least might be weakened for a bit like Roadrunner.
That doesn't change that she's wiling to wipe out her own capital with one showing up when they have 2 Salvators right there, and it was ONLY with her own death be threatened that she revoked it. That she shows she DOESN'T care about humanity, she cares about herself and the select group she deems worthy of saving
Fuck her. Maya should shot her ship into pieces the second the ROE Alpha was called off.
>>13591163
What part of rationality involves making at least 2 of your close advisers spooky puppets?
Surely in Hester's decades of dealing with aliens she would realize that the Xenos is cunning.
In short 0/10, would not Crusade with.
>>13591262
>2 Salvators right there
Lad, one of those was compromised, granted she didn't know that when she made the initial proclamation. She did know when she ordered the Tyrants to be launched.
>>13591241
Still need a Sui edit.
>Keith is still alive
How is there ANY justice in this world? Billy will probably go full edgy too because Dustin is dead.
>>13591229
>They joined Heaven's Door
To save Soushi and stop Polaris from killing everyone. Self serving.
>They saved Hester
Only because the fallout from letting her die would have been worse for them. This was prefaced by them being perfectly fine with letting a NUN pilot die to protect themselves but Kazuki chose to do the moral thing. Still self serving.
>Fumihiko allowed info to get leaked to the NUN.
The value of that information is unknown. Since it was being leaked by Koyo's parents who weren't high up on the Alvis latter. This can also be attributed to Fumihiko's philosophy of live and let live rather and not wanting to be a leader who squahses all dissonance. A token offering at best, self serving for Fumihiko more likely.
None of those things are really helping. Really helping is what we got in Exodus. Escorting a large number of people to safety.
>>13591240
I'm not siding with her. I understand her. I can recognize her logic as sound from her perspective and recognize her as something beyond a Crabstick wielding nutjob trying to rule the world.
>>13591262
You're letting your emotions cloud your judgement. The Nicht was getting buttfucked by Crawler and the Raison had been seized by enemy elements. Neither of those instill confidence in her being able to maintain control of the capital. You are also assuming that she valued only her own life above her principals, when it's more accurate to say she acknowledged Maya's resolve as kindred to her own which is why she submitted to Maya's demands. Reminder, Hester ALWAYS ordered Maya taken alive and believed they could come to an understanding.
>>13591270
>What part of rationality involves making at least 2 of your close advisers spooky puppets?
The kind who is wary of human infighting that ended up killing your father and leading to turmoil amongst humanity that needs a strong central body if it wants to stand against Festum. That works.
>>13591285
>You're letting your emotions cloud your judgement.
It's a goddamn tv show, not reality. I'm allowed to value things purely on emotional weight, and FUCK THIS BITCH.
>>13591240
She has, but that anon has a point too. People here want her to some comically evil twirling mustache villain, which she totally was until this episode.
We now know that she is just a person that after losing so much to an endless war, lacking the means to actually win it, and being broken. She clung to what she sees as the only thing that could actually work. Does that makes her right? Of course not. Sympathetic? Not really. It only explained to us how she came to be, the anime doesn't even bother to show us her thinking in a positive light.
>>13591291
So what, I'm supposed to suddenly care because they drop a sob story on me after everything she's done in the series so far? This isn't fucking Paradise Lost where it reveals at the last second that the protagonist is Satan and you've been manipulated into siding with him until now because you only saw his perspective, this is a cheap attempt to make my sympathetic for someone I have 0 sympathy towards.
>>13591285
>Since it was being leaked by Koyo's parents
And Yukippe.
>I can recognize her logic as sound
Try doing it quietly.
>>13591290
>It's a goddamn tv show, not reality
Fuck off, casual.
>>13591309
>a cheap attempt to make my sympathetic
Actually, and it's evident based on your reaction, it's what would be called well-written drama.
>>13591309
>I'm supposed to suddenly care because they drop a sob story on me after everything she's done in the series so far?
Are you a newfag or something? You can't expect better from a medium aimed to children and manchildren. Sob stories justify everything, from mass murder to rape
>>13591309
I don't think the objective was to make her sympathetic. It was just to give her some depth, You are still supposed to cheer when she bites it, or get enraged if she survives without facing any consequences.
>>13591290
You do a disservice to the show then and sell the writing, themes and story short.
>>13591291
Exactly. Her actions make sense from her perspective and her reasons have depth. I remember last week you were all going "NO SEE SHE MADE VAGRANT TELL ROADRUNNER TO ATTACK ASHOKA'S GROUP AND CONTROLS THE OTHER AZAZELS TOO" when it's obvious now she had no sort of power. Back in the first season her decision was based on the cold hard logic that there was no way that Roadrunner wasn't going to trample their shit and it'd only be a waste of resources to even try.
>>13591318
>Yukippe
True but she certainly was only doing it to serve herself.
>>13591309
>>13591322
Though why should I even try and have an intelligent discussion when all you want is to throw tantrums that big mean nuke lady is just a big mean nuke lady who does things because she's MEAN.
Oh that's becausebeing able to have conversation with one another is what makes us human
>>13591318
>Actually, and it's evident based on your reaction, it's what would be called well-written drama.
My only reaction is to you, my opinions of her haven't changed in the slightest. People like that get no sympathy from me, regardless of their circumstances in life. The only thing I want from people like her is to die.
>>13591322
>Hester
>sob story
Not
>Inspiring chronicle of a real human bean
>>13591285
>You're letting your emotions cloud your judgement.
I understand where you're coming from, but playing this card is a little hard to take seriously.
For a show that makes people so invested in these characters, and kills them off so mercilessly, emotions are an important part of the experience. You can sympathize with Hester as much as you please, but you must have noticed that you're not going to win many people over. We're still feeling the sting from cases like Hiroto since the show keeps reminding us, and that's all on her.
>>13591333
>You do a disservice to the show then and sell the writing, themes and story short.
>tfw you actually agree with something the sperg writes
When did the NUNs infiltrate our island
>>13591355
We should have suspected when anons started casually using "D Island" like it's the proper name.
>>13591336
Congratulations. You've managed to completely ignore and disregard the morals and themes of Fafner.
>>13591341
The point I wish to make is that this show is trying to sell the message of understanding. I don't care if these people like Hester or not, what I want them to try and do is understand what the show is trying to portray.
>>13591346
Shoo shoo filthy frogposter.
>>13591361
>The point I wish to make is that this show is trying to sell the message of understanding. I don't care if these people like Hester or not, what I want them to try and do is understand what the show is trying to portray.
You say that like I don't get it. Of course I do.
I just think it's too little too late.
>Congratulations. You've managed to completely ignore and disregard the morals and themes of Fafner.
You can't say that and post a picture of the being that is proof that UNDERSTANDING is irrelevant when the other side is hell-bent on your destruction.
Much like the NUN did for the refugees even after multiple cases of showing they were still human.
>>13591333
>it's obvious now she had no sort of power
We still don't know when Vagrant first came on the scene. She could've just as likely or unlikely had a hand in that based on any of that. We don't have a confirmed exact date on Roadrunner or any Azazel's first appearances for that matter either. It could've easily been a trial run. After all, there was a pro assimilation loli on Hawaii.
>>13591355
Three or four weeks ago.
>>13591361
dumb festumposter
How great would it be if Vagrant tries to hijack shit but then Hester goes lol no you're a puppet too just as planned?
It doesn't matter, I can't see Hester surviving until the end anyway. She's shown that she refuses to see the other side's viewpoint, and either the Festum or Maya (because I can't see it being anyone else) will end up killing her.
>>13591360
Speaking of, was there ever any outside confirmation of the 2nd Alvis's nickname?
Obviously it's API-2, officially, but I don't think they ever mentioned it by name.
>>13591394
Cyborg Barns got denied his redemption. Dylan was just pawn in a ruse within a ruse.
Why won't she die?>inb4 Nanomachines
>>13591370
You can't say that and post a picture of the being that is proof that UNDERSTANDING is irrelevantOne of the themes is not giving up on Understanding even in the face of adversity. Even if futile, to give up is to basically give up on a future without fighting
>>13591376
>We still don't know when Vagrant first came on the scene.
The only evidence we have points to it's appearance being the 4th Azazel type encountered.
Also Emery was an unknown element at the time of the Hawaii attack. The destruction of a major shipping depot would not be worth killing a single loli that she could easily just have some goons snap her neck. It's not reasonable
>>13591392
>everyone on the island is actually a Puppet
>Altair is actually a Puppet
>Polaris was actually a Puppet
>Hester was just bored fifty years ago
>>13591408
>One of the themes is not giving up on Understanding even in the face of adversity. Even if futile, to give up is to basically give up on a future without fighting
There are some people and organizations in the world that blatantly violate the laws and moral standards of society, and if they do operate within the law, they will use the law as a shield to protect their immoral activities and interests. Such people can't be negotiated with and need to be dealt with. Harshly and permanently.
People like you are the ones that say Armstrong was right.
>>13591394
>She's shown that she refuses to see the other side's viewpoint
It can be argued that she did acknowledge an opponents view point just this episode but most of you will attribute more to her not wanting to be blown up rather than her being swayed by Maya "We can't hold a conversation if you don't recall ROE Alpha and it's conversation that makes up human"
>>13591420
The difference is you kill when you have no alternative, when you face a foe or enemy utterly without the ability to understand each other.
That's what Maya was going to do. Sure, she could have shot down Hester's sub easy but she chose rather to stake her own life on the ability for humans to understand each other.
And she was right.
If humans can't understand each other then what chance do Festum and Humans have at true understanding? I mean, as it is right now Vagrant, Johnathan, Gregory and Ai are all gonna bite it because Vagrant and Gregory just want to ride the hate roller coaster, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be okay with UNDERSTANDING being reached.
RoL ended showing us the cost of not being able to understand one another.
The first Season ended with a failure at understanding while planting the seeds for the future.
HaE gave us saw those seeds endure adversity and a sprout be born.
I'm ready for Exodus to have the UNDERSTANDING TREE blossom. Cause they've earned it, and I'll be a bit disappointed if it just ends like DA did where they JUST GOTTA BLOW UP THE BIG EVIL MIR BECAUSE IT WON'T COOPERATE, because that's not progress.
>>13591434
The Azazels and the creep kid Festum still have to die. They literally cannot understand UNDERSTANDING, they are embodiments of nothing but hate.
>>13591408
Nah, muh understanding is important, but communication is much more important. Obviously, you realize that to communicate and to understand are different.
There are instances where the humans and festum talk and don't see things the same, but at least they tried. There are instances of Festum and Festum talking and not reaching an accord. Same with humans and humans.
If there's some common ground, cool, but if not well, our Zero is gonna punch your core's lights out, our we'll fenrir your island.
>>13591439
>They literally cannot understand UNDERSTANDING
Misao's Mir proves otherwise.
And you're selling Gregory short. Greg's just FUCKING PISSED , just like Misao's Mir was.
I WANNA BELIEVE
>>13591434
As people have said in nearly every UNDERSTANDING thread on /m/, the fatal flaw of that is thinking that just because you understand the other side, that you will get along.
The problem is that isn't true. You think those warring groups in the middle east don't understand each other? Of course they do, which is why they also understand that their coexistence is impossible.
>>13591447
I hate understandingfags. I've seen them argue that Valvrave was a good example of understanding.
>inb4 it is
Dear humanity, this is your reminder that festum are many things: people, dogs, the ocean, the sky, but they are not our enemies. Festum are our friends. #FestumAreOurFriends
>>13591447
I think anime just blows the importance of understanding out of the water.
Understanding is the first step to coexistence, not the only step.
>>13590916
To be fair though, the Japanese survivors of Tatsumiyajima and the other Alvis Islands WERE nuked by their fellow humans.
As to refusal to share their Anti-Festum tech, they had valid reasons; wanting to avoid the Festum learning about it until they had sufficient answers and counters.
The idea is noble, but the execution is just as flawed as Hester's (the Alvis islands were also technically willing to sacrifice the remaining human population to buy time for their R&D).
In the end, defectors left the island with basic data that the UN utilized to create the first generation Fafners, which did not use a Festum Core (for one, they didn't have access to a Core-producing body, and two, given that the data was based on the Zero and Titan designs, would have killed the pilots much faster without the medical advantages the Alvis islands had). Which indirectly benefited both parties. NUNs were able to develop a rudimentary but functional counter, forcing the Festum to focus most of their efforts on them, while D Island was able to advance their tech enough to create proper counters and resistances. Only Tsubaki fucked it up by teaching the Festum about humanity in the hopes it would learn to coexist.
Even Fumihiko did not have any faith or belief in his wife's desire for coexistence until she showed up as Mjolnir, an entity who saw things her way after assimilating her and shared all the data the new self had come up with to help out the island.
Things would have likely been different had Tsubaki not be forced to awaken and not decided to teach Festum about what it means to be human.
>>13591484
>first step
Wrong. Talking is.
"It's our turn to seek dialog" etc, etc.
>>13591473
>Even the trees eat people
Yeah right.
>>13591488
>Things would have likely been different had Tsubaki not be forced to awaken and not decided to teach Festum about what it means to be human.
Oh, it's this discussion again.Nice get
You know what else we can thank Alvis for?
Idun and Mjlonir.
The existence of both these highly independent Festum are thanks to the Alvis program.
>tfw they skipped the episode where Hester puts on a mask and chases around maya in her fafner
>>13591559
>Alvis program
It's actually got a name senpai.
>>13590637
>>13590661
Now I have a Chocolat folder
>>13590168
NUNs don't deserve to live, they don't appreciate peace. There's no point in fighting festum if there's no place to come home to.
![[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [720p][2015.12.04_23.33.22][00:00:05.046].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FRHHfoM.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [720p][2015.12.04_23.33.22][00:00:05.046].jpg")
How many of these things do they have?
>>13591562
Just wanted to let you know that I've hidden your post. That's disturbing.
>>13591559
With Mjolnir being the one that gave the island heaps of data to deal with assimilation and sacrificed itself for the sake of the island's core, I think that worked out okay.
Hell, without Idun we wouldn't have Soushi piloting the Nicht now, Sein never would have assimilated it.
>>13591577
But what about war against terror and justice for the billions murdered by Festum?
>>13589999
Well fuck me I assumed he was cremated until now.
>>13591578
Only one of the birds in that pic is from the island, as far as I can tell.
>>13591586
Nah he waslazer cut.
>>13591584
Exactly, and Idun was a qt.
>>13591578
I could argue that this bird is the best new edition to Fafner.
I love that fucking bird.
So basically all Salvador models ends up blowing up in its creator's face, eh?
>>13591586
>Akira opens the box
>Hiroto's head says "HELLO Tatsumiyajima,"
Guys, I thought of something horrible Hester COULD have done but didn't.At least Hester didn't use the Hiroto lunchbox to make an easy bake Hiroto clone whose lack of memories she'd pass off as head trauma that occurred when he was captured with the intent of using the Hiroto puppet to sabotage the island for invasion, only to have her plan coopted by Gregory who'd be the one to use the Puppet Hiroto to sabotage the island for take over
![[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 19 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.33_[2015.12.06_15.00.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Is0MOOC.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 19 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.33_[2015.12.06_15.00.22].jpg")
>>13591711
>implying Hester didn't make a Puppet Hiroto already.
She's using it to mindfuck Akira for her plans.
>>13591750
HE'S REAL! Rina hears him too.
>>13591750
>tfw you just wanna shoot some NUNs but senpai says no.
Hester is going to sacrifice herself to Misao's core in Miwa's place. The condition will be that Maya has to take command of the New United Nations. Hester will argue her value to the Mir in that she contains the detailed knowledge of every human installation, weapon, technology strategy, base and method of fighting while Miwa clearly will become more valuable with time. Maya thus has to leave the island and try and unite humanities remnants, killing her heart and dreams. How mad would you be?
>>13591760
>How mad would you be?
Golden mad
>>13591711
I can't help but think that's probably down to the time involved.
Woudn't be a surprise if some research team got an email about repurposing the Hiroto project once Tatsumiyajima came asking.
>>13591760
>Thisishatred.png
>All this love for best girl
![[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.12.06_18.09.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G5MGLv7.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.12.06_18.09.48].jpg")
>>13591750
This episode really drove home how broken Akira is. Boy needs some serious healing.
>>13592129
His scene made me cry. I never gave a shit about him before.
What's the best subs for HaE?
>>13592226
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sp70lq695irje86/%5BDaman%5D+Soukyuu+no+Fafner+Dead+Aggressor+-+Heaven+and+Earth+%5B1280x720_Dual_Audio_Blu_Ray_AAC%5D%282%29.ass
These, they're timed for the Daman release.
>>13592231
thanks
How did people feel when DA ended without the sequels being announced?
>>13592250
I was 14 (?) I think back then. I didnt feel anything, in fact I dont think i even understood what I was watching.
>>13592129
Well, next episode he'll find out his best friend is dead. That probably won't help.
![[HorribleSubs]_Soukyuu_no_Fafner_Dead_Aggressor_-_Exodus_S2_-_15_[720p].mkv_snapshot_06.51_[2015.12.06_20.23.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yCULTGb.jpg "[HorribleSubs]_Soukyuu_no_Fafner_Dead_Aggressor_-_Exodus_S2_-_15_[720p].mkv_snapshot_06.51_[2015.12.06_20.23.26].jpg")
>>13592129
>needs some serious healing
You mean being forced to snipe cyber newtype Billy going on rampage against Maya after giving in to hatred.
Someone needs to end the suffering of the last remaining Morgan after all.
>>13592410
Also for extra suffering Billy pilot Dustin's Fafner which made Akira snaps.
![[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_21.49_[2015.12.04_13.43.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IVUtbso.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Soukyuu no Fafner Dead Aggressor - Exodus S2 - 23 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_21.49_[2015.12.04_13.43.02].jpg")
>>13592420
I don't think anyone is going to be piloting Dustin's Fafner anymore.
>>13592451
A certain creepy kid could probably grant hatred related wish.
>Hester thread
>it turns into the most hardcore case of Fafner fans fighting Fafner fans since Exodus came out
Spoopy.
>>13592250
Fine. It was a satisfying bittersweet ending.
>>13592250
For me was like "This needs a sequel as soon as possible, maybe in a year or two." I was so naive back then.
>>13592403
Thanks for reminding us that Tow hates us. I wouldn't be surprise if a Festum assimilates him and say "THIS IS HATRED", he got shit on and has more reasons to hate something more than Jonathan or Yukippe ever did.
Were the sequels planned in advance since DA?
>>13592250
It ended just fine to me, the main enemy Mir was presumably dead then, Soushi said we will meet again or something, but I take it as presumably dead too. I didn't catch up on the side materials until Exodus came out, so I was lucky in a sense.
>>13592250
I've only watched DA a few weeks ago to get on the hype train, but had that been the ending, I would've been fine. It was a pretty good way to end a series, leaving a lot of space for potential sequels, but still providing enough closure (main villains dead, Polaris destroyed, island safe for the time being) that if no sequels were made it would still be satisfying.
>>13592544
Don't think so. Things like Sein and Nicth's limiters and why the island suddenly gave their Fafner pilots powers, both of which would be oh so useful in season 1, would make one think they didn't plan for a sequel. H&E is probably planned though.
>>13592269
You weren't a very smart kid, were you?
>>13592557
>Soushi said we will meet again or something, but I take it as presumably dead
Oh man, remember how that scene was like #2 or something on the "most moving robot anime scenes of all time" ranking video by 2chan's robot anime board? That was totally because everyone thought he was dead, but I wonder how it'd rank now that it turns out he literally meant he'd be back later.
>>13592574
Oh wait, I checked, it was #25. Still, though.
https://desustorage.org/m/thread/7434247/
>>13592569
I got the impression H&E and Exodus were much more planned together than DA and H&E, especially since both were the CG artstyle.
>>13592579
>23, from Macross 7: Gigil dies.
>22, from Gunbuster 2 / Diebuster: The Ending
> 13, from Turn A Gundam: Loran's revelation that he is a Moonrace.
>12, from Macross DYRL: The whole 'Do You Remember Love' sequence.
>09, from G Gundam: The death of Kyoji and Schwartz.
Based fucking taste
>>13592678
I suppose I should explain a bit
From DA and H&E
>Second gen pilots were characters previously introduced in DA
>Soushi comes back like he said he would
>Power progression was normal
But then suddenly in Exodus
>Sein suddenly had a limiter on all this time
>3rd Gen pilots of geniuses with no prior foreshadowing appears
>Island mir suddenly decides to upgrade everyone's Fafner and gives pilots powers because some smuck from abroad said so, but lets so many people die in S1 without intervening
>Hoard of people who can talk to Mir telepathically appears
>>13592751
>But then suddenly in Exodus
Don't forget new characters like Hiroto's sister who was seemingly solely introduced so that there'll be someone to cry extra hard at next week's episode.
>>13592766
Hiroto's sister is in the first episode of DA. She and two dudes evacuate their restaurant when the Festum warning is given.
>>13592686
>10 is Ryou, Yumi's death.
That's a surprisingly good list.
>>13592751
>>Island mir suddenly decides to upgrade everyone's Fafner and gives pilots powers because some smuck from abroad said so, but lets so many people die in S1 without intervening
This at least is partly due to Orihime, isn't it? Her "power" that's different from Tsubaki's, who was more into communicating.
The 3rd gen pilots are a funny case, but it's amazing how naturally they became part of the cast. Them being so skilled in battle right away is a little random, but it almost feels like they were made to suit the CG after the staff saw how good H&E looked.
>>13592766
Wasn't she a part of the Alvis alarm footage in DA? The bit that got homaged in Exodus.
At this point I wouldn't rule out any island characters being around from the start, just look at Akira.
>>13592801
Well it does makes sense, though. They all are designer babies, it stands to reason that the younger ones have better integration with their Festum-factor.
>>13592801
Yes, I recall her on that.
>>13592808
>Well it does makes sense, though. They all are designer babies, it stands to reason that the younger ones have better integration with their Festum-factor.
The entire line of shitty Gen 2 pilots say hi. Seri and Rina was useless before the SDP kicked in (in fact Seri would have died multiple times already), Akira is still useless and Hiroto wasn't any better before he got 360noscope
>>13592827
There are 5 years of research between Hiroto and Sui's births.
>>13592801
The 2nd pilots got fucked over. They're okay characters but except Seri were introduced so badly.
>>13592835
And about 2/3 years between Maya and Hiroto's
What's your opinion on Sui getting killed in the first episode of DA?
>>13592843
They still had more time to try different things. Second generation just have a really shitty luck.
>>13592854
Too old. It's just Hirai reusing designs like always.
>>13592842
But Hiroto's introduction was great. He was a brat, but that made him feel all the more grown up come Exodus.
The twins are a debated subject, but I never minded Rina, she was just a clueless kid. Akira really missed out though, his recent development has been good, but in Exodus' first cour it felt like we still barely knew him.
>>13592843
It wasn't that long, actually. The age gap between the gen 1 and gen 2 pilots is pretty small. The oldest 1st gen pilot is about a year and a half above the youngest 2nd gen, and the youngest member of the 1st gen group (Canon) was actually younger than the Nishio twins.
>>13592854
Foreshadowing his imminent death in ExodusPlease no he is my favorite 3rd Gen
>>13592895
Canon wasn't a Island test tube baby, you can safely leave her out.
>>13592899
Even excluding Canon, the 1st gen's birth dates ranged from May 2131 (Kouyo) to March 2132 (Sakura). The 2nd gen starts with Akira and Rina (April 2132) and ends with Hiroto (December 2132).
The gap specifically between Maya and Hiroto was 13 months.
On the other hand, there's more than four years between 2 and 3, which I suppose could lend some credence to the "improvements in genetic engineering" theory.
>>13592926
3rd gen is also smaller than 1st. They're the equivalent to if only the kids of the 1st gen with the absolute highest skills (Kazuki/Maya tier) would have been picked and the rest left out.
>>13591451
It's actually about coexistence.
It makes UNDERSTANDING take a swim in the Hudson for not actually achieving anything.
I mean sure you might hate your fellow man but you're supposed to put that aside for a better tomorrow ushered in together, burning bridges doesn't make for a better tomorrow.
Sorry for the off topic commentary, fafgen.
>>13592842
Hiroto's introduction was fine but I felt his relationship with Seri in Exodus was forced and out of nowhere.
Rina was alright but I feel that they didn't give her enough time with Orihime in Exodus when she was one of Tsubaki's two friends alongside Seri in DA.
Akira, yeah, he wasn't even a real character in DA and barely had anything in H&E. I like where Exodus has taken him, though.
>>13592975
>Akira, yeah, he wasn't even a real character in DA and barely had anything in H&E.
Akira actually had the most showtime and development among G2s in H&E though, to make up for being mute in DA.
>>13592975
>Hiroto's introduction was fine but I felt his relationship with Seri in Exodus was forced and out of nowhere.
They were always together since they were kids. You see this in the random scenes at the beginning of RoL and there is a similar one in DA.
>>13592854
>mimika what are you doing here?
>>13592975
>I felt his relationship with Seri in Exodus was forced and out of nowhere.
Please tell me you're not one of the people who thinks Seri is a lesbian.
Fair enough though, personally I thought that was a nice touch after having already been classmates. The gen 2 and 3 kids sure got off light with romance compared to the mess of unrequited love that is the gen 1 group.
>>13593013
>Please tell me you're not one of the people who thinks Seri is a lesbian.
What? Are you trying to say that people can be just friends in anime? And not every relationship with the same sex is pure homolust?
>>13593013
>The gen 2 and 3 kids sure got off light with romance compared to the mess of unrequited love that is the gen 1 group.
That's only because gen 1 has the biggest group. Ratio-wise Gen 2 had the biggest mess of unrequited love
>Seri > Hiroto
>Akira > Maya
>Rina > Kenji
Gen 3 has Sui > Rina, Rio and Mimika is sketchy, but I'll just think it's requited even if Mimika is as dense as a ball.
>>13593013
>Please tell me you're not one of the people who thinks Seri is a lesbian.
Nah, Rina's the lesbo
>>13593051
>even if Mimika is as dense as a ball.
Fuck you, man! It's too soon.
>>13593055
Rina was just a Class S girl, she wasn't a lesbo. Seri loved Tsubaki, but I don't think that was romantic, and her relationship with Orihime seems like dumb mother x hyper-competent daughter.
>>13593051
Not sure I'd count Hiroto, the bit of dialogue with his sister made it seem like he's just too embarrassed to admit it. She was the last person he thought of too.
Fuck, Seri's reaction is gonna hurt.
>>13593078
>the bit of dialogue with his sister made it seem like he's just too embarrassed to admit it
It look to me like the stereotypical "dense male character who doesn't know someone likes him scene". If he was embarrassed he would be throwing spaghetti. Not that it matters now anyway
>>13593051
>>Seri > Hiroto
>>Akira > Maya
>>Rina > Kenji
Orihime >< Seri >< Tsubaki < Rina > Maya < Akira
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>>13592129
I teared up here after getting a surge of memories of things I've read about famines during the WW2 and the Russian Revolution.
Has anyone ever bothered to compile all of Soushi's "end of the episode" gloom and doom monologues?
Finished DA and found nothing wrong with the 1st half
BTW what happened to the Mir from that other Alvis where Idun was sleeping? Was it the Polaris Mir?
>>13593067
My wishful thinking is that Orihime want Seri to be with her forever regardless Seri's opinion on the matter. Gods tend to be assholes, especially when they love humans and Orihime knows she'll die and later reborn as a different being, basically reincarnation.
Again, wishful thinking because that's basically a fanfic without support from the actual show.
>>13593344
To be fair, the show actually contradicts your view. Orihime outright told Seri to leave the island and, by extension, her. Orihime cares more about Seri's well being that about being together with her.
>>13593341
It got Fenrir'd with the island, presumably.
>>13593359
but Idun says as he leaves the crystal that the core isn't there anymore
>>13593368
The core being the kid whose appearance Idun was using. He had long since been assimilated.
The Mir is a totally separate thing, we don't know what shape it took on Alvis2, but it probably blew up with the island. Or it could have been assimilated by all the Festum I guess.
>>13593383
oh thanks so Idun was a mater festum that attack Alvis 2 and assimilated the island's core?
>>13593403
>>13593383
I always thought Idun was a core that lost it's Mir/assimilated with the Polaris Mir that turned into a Master type.
>>13592250
It was a good open ending so I was satisfied, but I always hoped for a sequel mostly for three things: Soushi coming back, Sakura waking up and Chizuru and Fumihiko hooking up. H&E gave me 2 of 3, so not bad.
>>13593359
>>13593359
>It got Fenrir'd
No, it got assimilated by Polaris. It's basic fucking logic.
>The Island Core was assimilated
>Festum have infiltrated the entire island and are just hanging out there for a trap
Exodus has made it clear that Mir's will try and eat each other if given the chance, which is why Festum began swarming Japan in mass before it got nuked.
>>13593441
Orihime JUST said that in this week's episode to Narain, that they can't let Ashoka grow on Tatsumiya because Mirs just eat each other.
>expecting /m/ to listen to the dialogue instead of going hurrrr purdy lites go pew pews
>>13592544
No. There's an interview with Tow and Takashi on the Fafner wiki from when DA ended. They were asked how do they think things will go for the characters after the end of the series and they gave different answers and both are completely different from what we got in H&E and Exodus. If I recall it correctly, Kenji became the new commander and Kazuki was his right hand man, so no Kazuki is dying here.
>>13593450
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