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Previous: >>8206127
>Book 5
>we should really move against Sammael, man I'm sick of this guy he needs to fucking die already
>Book 7
>Sammael is not only still alive but very much a thorn in Rand's side with his constant scheming and shit
Why the fuck is he even still alive, I mean COME ON RAND
>>8213031
Real question is, does your autism run so deep you can't spare yourself of that crap by simply picking up something good for a change?
>>8212924
Why is shallan such a shitter?
>>8213068
If I start something, I finish it.
>>8212924
Why is Jack Vance so based?
>>8213956
I read through a handful of his short stories when I was doped up on painkillers after an operation. The story where all of the wizard dude's friends turn into girls as part of some conspiracy against the male sex was a wild fuckin ride.
How do people stand Sanderson?
The prose can be described closest as being raped by a dildo covered with sandpaper.
>>8213989
His prose is rarely so bad that it jolts you out of the story. I would say it's invisible more than anything else. Sure it's a far cry from good, but I doubt his readers (or most readers) care. His dialogue on the other hand....
He's not my cup of tea, but people like his ideas/creativity/worldbuilding. He really does do things nobody else does
>>8214040
Dialogue is a part of prose really.
>>8214040
>He really does do things nobody else does
If you never watched Dragonball Z maybe.
>>8212924
>Planes
Are you shitting me, nigger?
>>8214040
>>8214157
Magic systems are different from worldbuilding, though - worldbuilding is just having a lot of interesting people, places and things in your world. Listing dozens of glyphs and magic rules can be a PART of worldbuilding, even a key one, but it's not enough to make the world interesting or believable in and of itself.
>>8214157
Rothfuss is a legend. Find one author with prose so sublime as him
>>8213076
Same reason Kaladin is an edgy gary stu.
I skipped all of Shallan's "muh so insightful scholarly lifestyle" horseshit after a few chapters.
>>8214193
>I focused my alar
top fucking kek
I need some help with reading comprehension.
> She was wearing jeans, a black tank top, and a loose black man's shirt that had the sleeves rolled up about twenty times and draped over her like a trench coat...
>a black man's shirt
Did the main character get cucked offscreen again, or have I spent too much time on /pol/?
>>8214240
She meant a man's shirt that was black
You should know that nobody includes PoC in SFF anyways
>>8214240
black [man's shirt] not [black mans] shirt
>>8214240
That's some awful prose.
>>8214211
>I skipped all of Shallan's "muh so insightful scholarly lifestyle" horseshit after a few chapters.
kek so did I. Shit was boring as fuck compared to Kaladin's story.
Did anyone else have to skip through hundreds of pages in Malazan when they read it? And have any of you actually re-read the entire series?
Looking for a fantady book with a lot of focus about fighter characters-The fights themselves, training sessions, etc.
Any suggestions?
>>8214378
I listen to it on audiobook at work, so I don't mind the drudgery.
>>8214378
I'm on Midnight Tides and still having fun.
>tfw some britbong already has their hands on age of myth
It hurts
>>8214152
>>8214240
She's wearing jeans, a camisole and a men's shirt over her shoulders like a cape.
or she's wearing it like those ladies who turn men's shirts into skirts/dresses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdGjWOinBGc
>>8214225
>"and they're a perfect stick antagonist for our hard northmen trope"
>he ripped out his own kidneys
>>8214402
I remember reading the first four books and loving them a lot then stalling out completely on Midnight Tides for like 2 months because I couldn't get into the new setting and characters at all.
Alright, I'm going to read Stormlight Archive to get a well informed view of Sanderson's work rather than listen to you faggots say, "It's anime shit!"
"Gee this book looks interesting..." I think as I browse the new arrival section at my local library.
"but wait, what's that?!"
>BOOK 1 OF 3 IN THE OVERWROUGHT FANTASY NAME CYCLE: THE FIRST QUARTER OF A INTERESTING STORY
My cry of "NOOOOOOO!" echoes through the stacks, a hobo browsing porn on the computers yells at me to shut up as the approach of security guards forces me to flee into the parking lot.
>>8214587
I agree. I wish people could write interesting standalones again.
>>8214587
This was my experience the one time I tried to venture into a book store rather than pirating or borrowing from my friends.
>>8214587
>Each book is 600 pages long
>Most of it is filler and redundancy
Any dungeonpunk novels? I'm working on a sort of meta dungeon delving work loosely based on classic D&D crawls and Stone Soup roguelike games.
>>8214587
This is how you make a living writing m8
Blame the lack of general literacy
>>8214587
>BOOK 2 OF 3 IN THE OVERWROUGHT FANTASY NAME CYCLE: THE FIRST QUARTER OF A INTERESTING STORY
>NONE OF THE OTHER BOOKS ARE EVEN BEING SOLD IN THE BOOKSHOP
Fixed it for you
>>8214456
I dig it, anon.
>>8214681
>the city planner was autistic
>>8214157
Why is it so hard to write a story and have the world come in naturally as it progress? Why do hacks like Sanderson feel the need to spend pages describing why Medieval Ichigo's death scythe allows him to perform instant transmission despite his opponents clever use of Haki?
>>8214676
I still haven't finished the First Law because my local bookstore doesn't have the third one.
>>8214622
>when half the book is descriptions of clothing/food/traveling/future-guns/space ship components/author's opinions on politics
I found this list on goodreads of fantasy books to avoid at all costs:
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/35446.The_Grimdarks#9300768
>>8214767
Have you heard of online shopping m8?
>>8213087
Underrated post right here.
Sick of seeing the "lol I don't wanna read something so loooooong and booooooring" meme on /sffg/ so often, especially concerning WoT and Malazan. If you don't have the attention span to finish either of these amazing series, you should legitimately consider another hobby.
>>8214578
Sanderson is good but not great, and probably receives more praise than he deserves. That's why /lit/ hates him.
>>8214157
>that direction was now DOWN for him
14 DAYS TIL THE WORLD DIES
>>8215165>age of myth is out
>>8214193
Jack Vance
Clark Ashton Smith
Mervyn Peake
Lord Dunsany
Mean Gene Meme Wolfe
And before you call me a dinosaur:
Guy Gavriel Kay
>>8214744
Why do anons like you feel the need to make themselves look like fools criticizing books they haven't read? Is it the (You)s?
Wait so what,Felisin didn't even need to OPEN the book of draidgna to become Shaic reborn? wtf!
This shit is weird
>>8215208
Sanderson has better prose than Rothfuss, which is an achievement in how bad it is.
Rothfuss writes like a teenager who thinks adjectives will make the writing good.
>>8214991
Nice try, tumblr.
>>8214991
Yeah its all shit except for GRRM who's barely average.
FUCKING blood mirror NEVER
>>8215303
The Goddess just chose her. Also what language are you reading this in?
>>8215208
I wonder if in 40 years(when the cosmere series is finished) if Sanderson and the other current authors will be known as classics, replacing Peake, Vance and Wolfe.
The /lit/ 5 decades from now will be calling people plebs if they didn't read Sanderson .
>>8215041
Malazan is a meme series, a real fucking struggle to get through the last few books.
>>8215376
>all the GRI books we discuss here are on there
>GoT /tv/ general user says anything but GURM is bad
Not even surprised.
>>8215397
Most GRI is on pair with Martin, which is to say it varies from mediocre to shit.
>>8215381
ARC anon is sitting gloating at us right now....
>>8215385
English audiobooks.
>>8215397
They're GRRM imitations, GRRM might be shit in occasion but at least he's the original shit. Rothfuss reads like a fat nerd's power fantasy.
>>8215452
>They're GRRM imitations
Did you look at the list in question?
>>8215469
he's right, about 80% of the books on that list are GRRM imitators
>>8215396
Why is everyone shilling malazan here? It's not a good series
>>8215528
Plebs frequent these threads in dangerous numbers.
>>8215387
If the rate of kids with autism keeps increasing like it has been, then sure.
>>8215387
That's impossible, it's the type of series which offers nothing aesthetically or has any other kind of literary value other authors you mentioned have.
It's like asking yourself is King or whatever else is popular will be read alongside John Williams or Flannery O'Connor.
Unless the other anon is right and there is an intellectual apocalypse of some sort.
>>8215603
Reading Hunger Games is no different from playing brainless video games and the like, so not really.
>>8215603
Reading nothing is better than reading trash.
People who read trash get the feeling that they know stuff and are exceedingly educated because they read Sanderson and 49 Laws of Power or some other pop sci/self help bullshit.
Not reading at least doesn't damage the intellect like trash does.
>>8215623
There's nothing wrong with reading genre fiction for entertainment and reading non-fiction or working through textbooks for learning.
>>8215623
Who are you trying to impress on this anonymous chinese frogposting and memes board?
Do you think anyone cares what you do or don't read and that people think you are a cool guy on the internet for reading certain books over others?
No one cares about you faggot, no one even knows if you are one anon from the next.
>>8215636
People who rely only on texbooks are quite stunt in my experience because the focus is something extremely narrow.
I don't think there's anything wrong with reading books for fun, but when reading trash is your main activity in reading, it becomes a problem.
>>8215673
Epic
When was the last time there was actually an interesting stand alone fantasy that wasn't part of a series or trilogy, King? I'm guessing Eyes of the Dragon was alright. Then again that's part of a larger grand scheme of things.
>>8215677
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>>8215041
Gene Wolfe only took 4 books to do BOTNS
If your shit cant be finished within that or less I probably dont need to bother.
I'll be fair with guys like Pratchett who tty to tell diffierent stories im every other book. But if you take 6+ books to tell a single story then you are fucking up as a writer.
>>8215677
Its because the market changed. Back in the 1950s fantasy was quite short and stand alone, so you got The Broken Sword and the Dying Earth and LotR being split into 6 slim parts for its original publication.
Now it has been demonstrated that the public wants more and publishers will give it to them.
>>8215696
Wolfe never intended it to be 4 books
True story he started out writing a short story, then it grew into a novella, then novelette, then novel, and finally a trilogy
He thought the third part was a bit bigger than the others so he went back and added the story telling competition to pad it out so it could be split giving 4 books.
>>8215714
Yea I remember him saying something like that in an interview.
Honestly I may have been a little overbearing on the point. Other anons bring up a good point in publication standards varying with the times. Even today we see publishers sending out 1000+ page single books if they feel confident in the author. Most book trilogies average around that size.
I guess my big point is this: no matter what size your story is, dont waste time.
>>8215714
Then I guess I'm a pleb because the filler story telling contest was my favorite moment of BOTNS.
>>8215729
Lol I remember GW himself being surprised at that being most peoples favorite part too
Holy fucking shit they actually did it the absolute madmen
That anon who said they would announce TWOW right after the finale was right all along
fuck me, I never expected this
>>8215718
You can't really stretch a meaningful story past 1500 pages, and most will crumble and have tons of filler by that point. Especially when you have multiple perspectives.
>>8215841
Remembering Tom's Fondue was pretty long.
>>8215387
I really don't get this anti-dinosaur guy. I mean, I get that he has bad taste, but whatever, this is sffg, lots of people here have bad taste. What I don't get is how he classifies authors as dinosaur authors. Gene Wolfe is a living author, who is still active and publishing works. Wolfe published a book in 2015, and is set to publish another in 2017. Rothfuss last published a book in 2011. How, then, is Wolfe used as an example of a dinosaur author while Rothfuss is presented as the poster child of modern fantasy authors?
I just want some consistency and internal logic in your shitposting, anon.
>>8215914
What Wolfe publishes nowadays are hardly even real books filled with passion desu, he just churns out one mediocre short work after the other. He will probably die without writing another great.
>>8215914
If fucking Rothfuss is the best modern fantasy has to offer then modern fantasy is hot garbage.
>>8215932
popular =! best
>>8215914
Dinosaur guy mostly appears to be a harmless memester. The only legitimate fucktard is the idiot who thinks that women writing = automatically bad. However both are trying to come up with excuses out of thin air for excluding books from their reading repertoire and therefore both viewpoints are arguably cancerous.
>>8215919
Quite possibly, though Wolfe wrote The Wizard Knight only ten years ago and only wrapped up Short Sun in 2001 as well. Sure, the books since have been nothing special, but he's had streaks of bad books before- and nothing he's written in this latest streak has been as bad as Castleview.
>>8215932
I said poster child, don't know if he's the best (I've never read him).
>>8215673
>I don't think there's anything wrong with reading books for fun, but when reading trash is your main activity in reading, it becomes a problem.
If people find entertainment in shit like sanderson and pathross then what's the fucking problem? Entertainment is entertainment, if you find entertainment is trash then literally what is the problem, are you so fucking insecure you can't stand people reading for fun? Oh no they're not reading patrician shit that wouldn't be fun for them, oh no, what a fucking horror
>>8215709
I just wish more authors today would do short tragic stories.
But I guess true downer/tearjerker endings don't sell.
>>8216000
"I read fantasy for escapism, not real life shit"
>>8215958
>If people find entertainment in shit like sanderson and pathross then what's the fucking problem?
Because it often stops being just entertainment and becomes a hot passion for garbage which creates weaboos and neckbeards.
It's also extremely annoying when you have to listen to people talking how amazing Rothfuss is and how his prose is second only to Nabokov.
>Entertainment is entertainment, if you find entertainment is trash then literally what is the problem, are you so fucking insecure you can't stand people reading for fun?
I actually said that it's just entertainment and that if it's just that there's no problem.
>Oh no they're not reading patrician shit that wouldn't be fun for them, oh no, what a fucking horror
It is when those people see themselves as supreme patrician intellectuals because they've read all 13 Wheels of Shit.
Talking to them is a real horror and it's often hard to avoid.
>>8215528
>>8215552
>>8216012
But tearjerkers are my escapism.
>>8215165
ffffuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkkk
>tfw the consult makes cnaiur immortal to take command of the scylvendi as their king of tribes
>>8216018
>It is when those people see themselves as supreme patrician intellectuals
I'm glad we agree that you're an e/lit/ist scum.
>>8216039
I'm glad we agree you are just plebiean scum who wants validation of his shit taste
>>8212924
>The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories
>In the inner story, Dr Death creates man-beast hybrids
>In the outer story, partygoers indulge in cakes, drugs, and group sex, succumbing to their primal animalistic desires
Based Wolfe does it again.
>>8216037
ARC spoilers:Reluctantly crouched at the starting line, engines pumping and thumping in time,the green light flashes, the flags go up, churning and burning, they yearn for the cup. They deftly maneuver and muscle for rank. Fuel burning fast on an empty tank. Reckless and wild, they pour through the turns. Their prowess is potent and secretly stern
As they speed through the finish, the flags go down.The fans get up and they get out of town
The arena is empty except for one man. Still driving and striving as fast as he can
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up, and long ago somebody left with the cup, but he's driving and striving and hugging the turns, and thinking of someone for whom he still burns
He's going the distance, he's going for speed
She's all alone, all alone in her time of need
Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
He's going the distance
>>8215760
>>8216042
He loves the theme of men becoming beasts and beasts becoming men.
Zoanthropes, Ape-men, Doctor Talos, the whole of Fifth Head of Cerberus.
Being human is something you chose to be by partaking in the Eternal law.
>>8215914
Read my chart thoroughly anon, don't just look at two books them start shit posting about my "bad tastes", I have no problem with wolfe. Did you ever see me shit on wolfe?
It trash like conan and lankhmar I shit on, and only because (was probably baited each time) the anon who started the dinosaur trend ONLY suggested those books, sometimes what you asked for as a recommendation was less than a paragraph in Conan... the fucking anon would suggest you the whole book, as if the book was built around the what you were asking for.
The original dinosaur has disdain for anything new, he refuses to read them, while touting his same tired books, like a 10 dolla hooker showing you her flabby, saggy tits, and saying the are the pinnacle of fantasy because they were around so long. FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
Please look at my whole chart then talk to me.
>>8216080
You keep dodging the issue at hand. No one has a disdain for "anything new" - they have a disdain for BAD novels. Of which about 90% of the chart consists of.
Of course people think new books are bad if those are the ones you recommend people.
>>8216060
dont forget the autarch's harem of catgirls
>>8216080
Didn't you also make the black-and-white image, which has a picture of Wolfe?
Anyway, that chart has such a vast range of quality that it's rendered completely useless.
>>8214622
Sadly that's true most of the times.
It depends on how richly the author depicts the world really.
I'm honestly afraid of reading SciFi and get fucking stuck in a spaceship for the whole book.
>An edgy character appears
>It has a dark past and supernatural powers
>an emo pretty much
>His name is: Zane; Ace; Dash; Dex; Erza; Logan; Raiden; Razer etc...
Why the fuck does this happen?!
>>8216180
Because you read bad books.
Why are the men so rude in Malazan? Are they rude or is it just the male banter I've heard talked about?
They are friends, why are they being rude to each other?
>>8216203
That's what silver-spooned upper-class liberals think the working class act like.
>>8216203
I use cancer at least once every 5 minutes towards a friend.
But I'm Dutch so it's basically a given.
>>8214225
Fucking lol. I love Abercrombie but this is spot on.
>>8215165
>ywn come upon mimara like a flood
>ywn deliver such water
>>8215677
There's loads, delve deeper into the genre.
>>8215760
Oh yeah, I forgot about that faggot.
He was so fucking sure.
>>8215914
It's literally just a meme.
Let me taste all your jelly, ordel fags.
>>8216338
>he still reads physical books
>>8216122
Where is wolfe in pic related?
I read wolfe YEARS AGO, before this general became a thing, loved and understood it (maybe not the parallels to Catholicism, but I'm not that autistic). I have no problem with Wolfe or old books. I have a problem with the jaded 40+ year olds who come in this thread and show disdain for anything new, while preaching their nostalgic fuels wetdreams are all we should read.
>>8216097
Please list some of these "new" books which you feel are not bad.
>>8216203
>or is it just the male banter I've heard talked about?
>btw I'm a grill ;^)
>don't get silly ideas boys I'm taken
.. unless you are low iq anon...
>>8216352
Every day, my lad.
>>8216375
Sparring doesn't look friendly either, but it hones skills and allows the participants to show off.
>>8216405
I've just been on imageboards for a long time and I've heard that thing said in various threads, mostly in threads about hating women (and I mean that literally) on r9k and now I see it very clearly in a book?
>>8216405
he might just be some autist with no social experience what so ever
>>8216421
Audiobooks or ereader or book depository/Amazon
>>8216386
>maybe not the parallels to Catholicism, but I'm not that autistic
So you didn't understand him one bit?
Because it's a novelization of Aquinas basically.
>>8216466
I have enough physical SFF books to keep me reading for quite some time. Unfortunately, it appears that Wolfe has evaded me.
>>8216275
Take this with a grain of salt but after the finale a site claimed that GRRM is almost done with the book and is on that verge of submitting it to his editors and it could come out in January 2017. Don't know if it's bullshit, the site was called GameNGuide or some such.
Who ever suggested this thanks, funny as fuck.
>>8216513
Are you library in boxes anon?
>>8216613
>I have no mouth and I must scream
>funny as fuck
Either you're insane or you're Harlan Ellison.
>>8216472
I understood the book and what he was getting at, I didn't however delve deeper than surface understanding.
The stupid questions people usually ask I got those (knew about the granny love on the first read), it's been years.
Unlike Aram, my life does not revolve around Wolfe. I don't have to find every single easter egg in his books.
>>8216627
No the othe stories. The jew getting fucked in his navel was funny, and the rock calling his god sexist made me grin.
>>8216622
Probably, yes.
>>8216018
If you're not fond of what's popular in the fantasy genre at the moment, you should probably just stay away from a /sffg/.
Alright cucks give me your predictions for TGO
What is the no-god?
>>8216018
Oh look, another pleb who doesn't have the attention span to get through all 14 Wheel of Time books. Aren't you special for not giving something a chance because it's too long. Bravo.
>>8216785
>>8216652
If you didn't understand the Catholicism of the novel you completely missed everything it was getting at.
>Revelation Space
If one more person says "I would have done the same thing in your position" I'm quitting this book.
>>8216798
Why do you keep posting this shit? Do you want someone to smack your waifu's ass?
>>8216819
I would have done the same thing in your position.
>>8216785
Didn't we already cover this a few threads ago?
WoT doesn't require attention, just bad taste or autism.
Question lads:
The only fantasy I've ever read is Robin Hobb. I liked it a lot though, very comfy. Which other works/authors would you recommend that can provide me with more of this atmosphere?
>>8216868
Try "Lud in the Mist" by Mirrlees.
>>8214211
>gary stu
But he's racist? and everyone around him except Dalinar thinks he's an arrogant prick
I've looked through some sci-fi/fantasy archived threads and noticed people call Locke Lamora shit but never seen the reasoning. Haven't read it so I'm curious about what it's strong/weak points are, like characters, general story structure etc.
>>8216893
Fuck off Dino
>>8216893
It's basically "funny banter: the book" if you don't like the humor, well, there is absolutely nothing else of value in the book.
>>8216868
>Robin Hobb
Fuck off, female authors are shit.
if you enjoyed her piece of shit works then anything will do.
Just visit the YA subreddit
>>8216906
>being elitist in the genre fiction thread
>>8216913
I'm not elitist.
Female authors are just that bad
Does Raven in The Black Company get any less cringy? It's like reading bad self insert fanfiction.
>>8216922
Did you even read the metaphysics of Edith Stein?
>>8216779
There are plenty of older/unpopular works that get discussed here occasionally.
>>8216934
I'm not going to read women shit again.
Everything I've tried it turned out to be shit.
Even the best women shit is still slightly below Mistborn
>>8216956
>I'm not going to read women shit again.
Your loss, she was big enough to bring back aristotelian-thomist metaphysics back into European philosophy.
Sometimes there are works of fiction where you feel that the author has honed his skills for his entire life just to bring that story to reality. I felt it with Tolstoy’s “War & Peace”, got a glimpse of it in Dostoevsky’s “Crime & Punishment” and got completely overwhelmed by it in Full Metal Daemon Muramasa. From the authentic-sounding ancient Japanese prose, to a meticulously constructed alternate history of early 20th century and carefully researched martial arts of real samurai; you simply can’t make a story so vast and this profound unless you sacrifice majority of your life researching and contemplating the subject matter. Muramasa is a masterpiece, and it sends shivers down my spine just imagining what Narahara Ittetsu, a certified master of ancient Japanese martial arts and by no means a professional writer, had to go through to bring this grand work to life.
>>8217156
I hate you :3
>>8214717
I mean, he was literally an autistic eunuch everything-nerd with memory powers that became a god.
>>8216956
>ree roasties depart
>mfw reading wheel of time
In the real world any organisation that tried to pull even half the shit aes sedai do on the regular would have been hunted down to the last man.
>>8217489
>men
>>8217504
Yeah sorry, women.
Anyway I'm on book 8 and hoping the Aes Sedai get the Order 66 treatment, they're obsolete and actually detrimental to the cause of the Light.
>At the end of the procession there stalked a huge negro with an unusually wicked cast of countenance, at the sight of whom Conan scowled.
I'm so sick of this. If you like Conan, you're a racist. Sorry (not sorry)
>>8217535
>At the end of the procession there stalked a huge negro with an unusually wicked cast of countenance, at the sight of whom Conan scowled.
I fail to see your point.
At the end of the procession there stalked a huge scandinavian with an unusually wicked cast of countenance, at the sight of whom Conan scowled.
Looks fine to me.
>>8217535
If the negro's cast was unusually wicked, that would suggest Robert E. Howard usually did not find them wicked.
>>8217535
If you dislike Conan because of it you are a retard. There's plenty of things you can criticize it for, but racism is reserved for morons.
>>8217551
"Unusually wicked"? That is fine?
And this is just one passage out of several with "wicked Negroe" this and "the dark Negroes are coming!" that. I tried to ignore it but this is the last straw. Fuck this shit
>>8217587
No it suggests this one was even worse than normal. Negroes are always bad in every one of these stupid fucking stories. Howard hated black people, I get it. Lovecraft hated black people. I GET it. Why the fuck does their hate have to appear in EVERY. FUCKING. PAGE??
>>8217535
>I'm so sick of this. If you like Book of the New Sun, you're a Catholic. Sorry (not sorry)
>>8217601
I think you might be overreacting. There are plenty of stories that don't feature black people or racist observations. The Phoenix on the Sword, The Frost Giant's Daughter, The Devil in the Bowl, The Tower of the Elephant, The Scarlet Citadel, The Queen of the Black Coast, The Slithering Shadow... to name a few.
But, at the end of the day, if it upsets you that much, why are you reading them?
>>8217588
Why should I have to read about the "swarthy evil hordes" constantly? The raping, ravaging "NEGROES". They can't even bother to be like Tolkien and hide it behind orcs or something. They make it quite clear that the NEGROES lay in white to rape a nubile maiden that Conan must save from their evil dark dicks. I know for a fact white people would not tolerate this shit for one paragraph. Fuck off
>>8217617
I figure he's not really triggered, but just baiting for alt rightists.
I'm glad for once they didn't fall for it.
>>8217617
Because I was told this is the best fantasy has to offer.
If that is so, then this isn't for "people like me" I guess
>>8217620
>Why should I have to read about the "swarthy evil hordes" constantly? The raping, ravaging "NEGROES".
Who the fuck cares? Why should the French be offended by the barbarian hordes? I mean they were barbarians after all.
>They can't even bother to be like Tolkien and hide it behind orcs or something.
Orcs aren't even related to blacks in any way, they are fucking elfs and Tolkien was against the at the time progressive ideas about race and eugenics. Accusing him for racism makes as much sense as accusing Chesterton for it, it's bloody moronic.
>They make it quite clear that the NEGROES lay in white to rape a nubile maiden that Conan must save from their evil dark dicks.
Yes, there's negros and there's white people too. He fights evil white people.
>I know for a fact white people would not tolerate this shit for one paragraph.
Wouldn't tolerate what exactly?
Hordes of raping barbarians? Slavs? Nazis?
Your race isn't your nation and I don't get the ooh race doesn't exist while simultaneously being so obsessed with it.
>Fuck off
No, you.
>>8217620
What are you even arguing? No one's denying that Lovecraft and Howard were racists. They comprise probably less than .01% of fantasy fiction, so why are you reading them if you're getting this triggered? No one's putting a gun to your head.
>>8217631
>Because I was told this is the best fantasy has to offer.
No you weren't, you were told it's some of the best pulp.
>>8217631
Who told you that Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard were the best fantasy fiction has to offer? How did you even make it into this thread without reading OP's links?
>Some writers from the early and mid 20th century were racists
more at 11
HE IS BAITING STOP FALLING FOR IT YOU IDIOTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>8217644
>Who the fuck cares? Why should the French be offended by the barbarian hordes? I mean they were barbarians after all.
I am not a barbarian, thank you very much
>Orcs aren't even related to blacks in any way, they are fucking elfs and Tolkien was against the at the time progressive ideas about race and eugenics. Accusing him for racism makes as much sense as accusing Chesterton for it, it's bloody moronic.
Orcs are the evil swarthy race from which all subsequent variations are derived. Regardless of what Tolkien thought or intended, they are problematic.
>Yes, there's negros and there's white people too. He fights evil white people.
Yes there are evil white people with names and titles. Not "the pale skinned, blue eyed demons" in an uncharacterized, dehumanized mass which makes no distinction between good and evil
>Wouldn't tolerate what exactly?
Hordes of raping barbarians? Slavs? Nazis?Your race isn't your nation and I don't get the ooh race doesn't exist while simultaneously being so obsessed with it.
Only Slav here is equivalent. I am a NEGRO. I, according to this books, am a mindless raping savage who deserves no sympathy or fleshing out. This is something the text endorses. Why would I accept this and be okay with it? There are always distinctions between Nazi and Germans. Nobody writes "The German people are an evil unto the world, born to devour the blood of the Jewish people" into a book unironically and expects any self-respecting German to love reading such tripe
White people hardly ever have to deal with this when reading. We on the otherhand are assailed with it in just about everything published before 1970 with black people in it
>>8217701
>Yes there are evil white people with names and titles. Not "the pale skinned, blue eyed demons" in an uncharacterized, dehumanized mass which makes no distinction between good and evil
The Kargs are kind of like this in Earthsea
>Redditor derails the thread
>Again
Quick, post more Malazan and Pratchett.
>>8217722
Any good books with catgirls on the cover?
>>8217701
>I am not a barbarian, thank you very much
Good to know, I thought you lived from war plunder and believed in spirits of the forest.
>Orcs are the evil swarthy race from which all subsequent variations are derived. Regardless of what Tolkien thought or intended, they are problematic.
There's nothing problematic about orcs. They are an evil race that became twisted because of sin.
It's problematic if you are some tumblir blogger who gets offended by everything while kind of resembles a black person in a negative way.
>Yes there are evil white people with names and titles. Not "the pale skinned, blue eyed demons" in an uncharacterized, dehumanized mass which makes no distinction between good and evil
None of his villains or any other characters really are well written.
He also was a racist, but who cares? You aren't reading a manifesto of something intelligent, you are reading a story about a barbarian king who goes around and does cool stuff.
>Only Slav here is equivalent. I am a NEGRO.
And I'm a Slav, good for us.
>I, according to this books, am a mindless raping savage who deserves no sympathy or fleshing out.
So?
>This is something the text endorses.
Yes, ok. And?
>Why would I accept this and be okay with it?
Because you aren't stupid enough to get triggered by a series of stories about Arnold Schwarzenegger?
>There are always distinctions between Nazi and Germans.
Plenty of movies have all evil unsympathetic Nazis without Germans to represent something positive. Same with almost every Russian character in action movies during the cold war.
And yet, I've never spoken to one who gives a fuck, because it's dumb action movies.
>Nobody writes "The German people are an evil unto the world, born to devour the blood of the Jewish people" into a book unironically and expects any self-respecting German to love reading such tripe
And he most probably doesn't expect them to care all that much also.
>White people hardly ever have to deal with this when reading.
Catholics do when they read Dostoevsky.
Atheists do when they read idk C.S. Lewis.
Germans do when they read Maus.
Many groups do, the things is, whiteness doesn't represent much to whites, it's not an identity factor, unlike for blacks who for some reason obsess over it.
>We on the otherhand are assailed with it in just about everything published before 1970 with black people in it
There's very few things with black people in it that's actually read and that which is is not really into the evil rape nigger meme.
Any old obscure fantasy out there that just makes you kinda go "wtf?" I'm looking for something different to read. Any recs welcome, thanks.
>>8217775
Iron Dragons Daughter
Book of the New Sun
>>8217701
>We on the otherhand are assailed with it in just about everything published before 1970 with black people in it
If you try to say orcs are black because they're swarthy and evil you're assailing yourself tbf. Probably didn't even notice they're the only characters in it that talk like modern Englishmen.
any example of "magic system" done right?
>>8217854
Orphans of Chaos
>>8217854
The Dying Earth
>>8217854
Mistborn
>>8217775
Sign of the Labrys.
Carnelian Cube.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26068046-the-summer-dragon
A new book with a little girl protagonist. Seems to be getting good reviews
>>8217859
(You)
>>8217894
Not an argument.
By the way, I managed to get epubs of book 2 and 3 in the Chronicles of Chaos series by Wright now. If anyone here is reading/thinking of reading it I don't mind uploading them
>>8217921
I've read Golden Age trilogy, enough of him for at least a year. There's more pressing stuff now.
Anyone reading Sharp Ends? It's kind of shitty so far
>Read Prince of Thorns
>protagonist is raping people by page 5
>Read first book of Bakker
>Little boy anally raped by page 3
Why is there so much rape nowadays?
>>8217989
Pandering to the r/fantasy crowd
>>8217989
They're all just trying to out-edge GRRM. Plus it's easier than writing actual themes or characterization.
>>8217750
TELL ME ABOUT BAEN.
WHY IS HE SO PULPY?
>>8217889
>Maia and her family raise dragons for the political war machine. As she comes of age, she anticipates a dragon of her own to add to the stable of breeding parents. Her peaceful life is shattered when the Summer Dragon—one of the rare and mythical High Dragons—makes an appearance in her quiet valley. Political factions vie for control of the implied message, threatening her aspirations, her aerie, her entire way of life.
>The bond between dragons and their riders is deep and life-long, and Maia’s desire for a dragon of her own to train, ride, fly, and love drives her to take a risk that puts her life at stake. She is swept into an adventure that pits her against the deathless Horrors, thralls of the enemy, and a faceless creature drawn from her fear. In her fight to preserve everything she knows and loves, she exposes a conspiracy, unearths an ancient civilization, and challenges her understanding of her world—and of herself.
No thanks.
>>8217778
>Iron Dragon's Daughter
>Michael Swanwick
I liked The Shewolf's Hidden Grin so I'll look into it.
>>8217750
Was there a furry demographic back then?
>>8218073
Furries have been around since the 70s or 80s IIRC.
>>8218045
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S SO WEIRD
>>8218073
We've already established Niven as a raging proto-furry.
>>8218073
Yeah, they just weren't as visible.
Just finished reading this series and i loved everything about it. Especially the "edgemaster" MC.
Can you guys recommend me anything similar?
>They said Malazan wasn't filled with edge
>They said women were represented properly
Why does /lit/ always lie?
>>8218416
The best female character in Malazan is a crack whore
Was this supposed to be good?It wasn't
>>8218416
Everyone hates everything thats popular because they cant just admit its good like everyone else
>>8218467
I thought it was fun for a quick read.
>>8218118
Speaking of raging proto-furries, Cordweiner Smith was pretty obviously one
>>8216386
Same difference, you are identifying Vance as a dinosaur despite him still publishing stuff as recently as 2009. You are defining old vs new in a nonsensical way.
>>8218051
Did he smell marmite?
Kek
>>8218153
Is that the first or third book? If first, read the rest of the series, if third, read first law and night angel(brent weeks) if you want that edge kept sharp.
>>8218547
Anon... you don't seem to understand. Dinosaur is not the authors, it's the readers. I'm calling the readers dinosaurs, because they want to stay in the past (the ones that would not read new shit period). If you lurked more and read the thread you would see them.
>>8218620
Name some fantasy or sci-fi from the last 5 years that has excellent writing, characterization, themes, and of course: aesthetics.
What does /lit/ think of Guy Gavriel Kay? A good medieval fix while i wait for winds of winter?
>>8218045
Did that anon ever finish this book?
>>8218779
>Tax
>Cab
>Bet
>capital is just "Jon"
>notMuslims to the south
>>8218779
holy autism
>>8218779
What the fuck am I looking at?
>>8218989
>second one
second book I meant.
>>8218989
A successful book is usually GRI APPROVED. Remember that.
>>8219070
>>8218989
Malazan, red rising, night angel, a song of ice and fire, book of the new sun, iron daughter, first law, all of these are GRI APPROVED , and sell well.
The reason no one really likes the Riyria books is because there is no GRI included, they are almost Sanderson level of "family friendly ".
>>8218779
Those maps he did were pretty cool. Do you have the linguistic one? My /lit/ folder got partly deleted.
I think there's a google doc with a few thousand words
>>8218153
Rule of thumb, if a book has Prince in the title it's shit.
>>8219191
wouldn't something princely be 'principal'?
