why does it seem as if most authors were assholes / unlikeable in person?
You could probably chalk it up to the typically reclusive, introverted tendencies of creative people.
>>8158079
Only pseuds that want to justify being unlikeable assholes claim that those traits go hand in hand together
>>8158081
They do though, it's just that being an unlikeable asshole doesn't make you creative on its own.
>>8158051
That's not because they're authors, that's because they're intelligent. Smart people never think highly of the average person for a reason.
>>8158051
Writing is an essentially solitary pursuit. So although some of them are rather extroverted (camus and maupassant being two notoriously outgoing examples off the top of my head), a great part of writers are antisocial types.
To be a good writer you need to have a profound understanding of the human condition, which requires you to be a very observational person. Some can manage to do so while still being "normal" and social, but in the large sense in order to have that unobstructed perspective you need to isolate yourself.
>>8158139
Again, only pseuds actually look down on others for difference in intelligence.
>>8158051
maybe because you read shitty authors
>HE WUZ MEAN TO ME!
>>8158051
what about virginia woolf i think she would be bretty nice girl
>>8158698
I wasn't alive when Dostoyevsky was still kicking
Dostoevsky was pretty cool in person.
>>8158772
Abandoned his first wife to go after a younger pussy who rejected him
>>8158816
No he didn't. His first wife died,
>>8158611
You're wrong. That's because you've met pseuds, but not really intelligent people.
Because it takes a certain amount of egotism to think people should read what you write.
>>8158611
im sure this post is going to get people mocking me with ebin meme arrows, but i don't particularly care. I think many smarter people DO look down on others for their lack of intelligence, but not in the way >>8158139 describes.
Many intelligent people seem to idealize soldiers, the working class, or even the middle class. Intelligent people, in my estimation, tend to hate those who profess to have knowledge when in reality they do not. ergo, real intellectuals (not STEM autists) hate pseuds, whereas pseuds (70% of STEM autists, maybe 15% of the GP) tend to hate everybody who doesn't hold all of their unreasoned and unreasonable opinions.
>>8158706
she seemed nice, but she battled with depression that lead to her suicide and she never left England in her entire life. Not saying she's mean or anything, but she was definitely an odd bird. She was pretty damn snooty towards Joyce, too.
he liked Sonja
>>8158965
Use of the expression "STEM autists" makes you a pseud by default.
>>8159006
>she never left England in her entire life
Nonsense. She often traveled. From wiki:
For example, while traveling on a cruise to Portugal she protests at finding "a great many Portuguese Jews on board, and other repulsive objects, but we keep clear of them".
>>8159006
>and she never left England in her entire life
There's a whole book of her travel writings - she toured all over Europe extensively:
Virginia Woolf had a lively sense of place and delighted in `lighting accidentally. . . upon scenes which would have gone on, have always gone on, will go on, unrecorded, save for this chance glimpse. Following Virginia's footprints from her beloved Sussex and Cornwall to wartime London, Italy and the Riviera to Greek mountains and the wilds of Spain, Jan Morris intersperses swift verbal sketches of a Greek peasant wedding, a fenland sky, an elderly spinster in a hotel dining room in Italy, or Bognor pier in the rain with her own brief, telling comments on both writer and subject.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3176787-travels-with-virginia-woolf
>>8158139
Hello, I saw your post. You may be suffering from this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>8158824
Maybe she wouldn't have died if he wasn't a lazy-ass gambler and actually provided for her. Also, she was still alive when he abandoned her for Polina Suslova
>>8159956
He had a gambling problem, but he was hardly lazy, he was a professional writer and teacher. He left Russia to Paris to teach, not over any affair.
He met Polina in Paris where she was a student and groupie, but all information about their affair is in her letters to other people and to him. She was obsessed with him, and wrote elaborate fantasies about him pining for her that verge on the absurd. But if you look at Dostoevsky's letters and diary entries about her, he always expresses a strong distaste for her, to say the least, and says she is a nauseating egoist, and that she was a "selfish woman, undeserving of my love." He took special interest in teaching her to write, because she begged him to, but he was absolutely repulsed by her romantic inclinations, and used her as the basis for his melodramatic female characters who see life as some tragic love novel.
>>8160108
Suspiciously, by the way, she burned all the letters he sent her (while the letters she sent to him which were quite pleading, survive) upon his death,.Long after they had parted ways.
>>8158051
Most writers understand that there is more to life than buying groceries, taking care of your kids & fucking your middling wife until she turns into a homely babushka and ultimately into an ugly fat old sow. They resent that they are trapped in an oppressive reality which makes it nearly impossible to break free of this. And therefore they are frustrated. Think about it - the best writers never found any meaning in materialism.
>>8158816
>Implying that isn't cool
>>8159029
Kek nice banter
>>8160128
I'm not so sure, it's logical to say so, but some materialist writers were good too, take Camus for example. Although, of course, he's not on Dostoevsky's level.
>>8160128
>>8158965
>>8158170
>>8158153
>>8158139
>>8158079
>>8161218
haha
>>8158051
Like most "individuals" they were likely asshole fedora tippers in person
Still made good shit tho
>>8160112
Dosto was a self absorbed faggot and anyone could see it just by reading your posts. Of course he'd keep her letters to flatter himself whereas she burned them out of disgust
My favorite asshole writer moment is when Faulkner's daughter asked him to just not be drunk at her birthday party and his response was to tell her that no one remembers who Shakespeare's daughter was.
>>8158051
Authors often have turn inwards to write, because writing mere about observations is trite. Most authors have turned inwards to the point where they become a cynic or a reclusive.
Most authors become authors because they were socially retarded in the first place
>>8161851
Biased much?
>>8158051
They were all assholes growing up.
>Go to your room you asshole!
They sat in their rooms and wrote. True story
>>8161898
I'm actually a big fan of his work, Crime and Punishment and Brothers Karamazov are two of my favorites. I'm just stating facts about the man.
>>8158051
Normies like you just won't ever understand
>>8160128
William Frederick Koh. GTFO
>>8161994
You do realize the term "normie" was made ironically, right?
You'd have to be LITERALLY autistic to imply striving to be normal is a bad thing.
>>8162333
Being normal = being mediocre.
Huge life tip:
Chad ~ Pepe ~ Great artists
Normalfag depressed wageslave ~ Wojak ~ Worthless fleshwalker
>>8158051
Montaigne
Keats
Chekhov
now fuck off
>>8162356
>Being socially adjusted means you are mediocre
Took the blue pill.
>>8162973
>I'm not mediocre because I meet the bare minimum!
Sweet sweet delusions.
>>8163013
You are a literal fedora. You are implying if someone is "normal", presumably socially adjusted, they are automatically mediocre in terms of creativity or the likes. Sounds like justifying being an autistic sperg with no friends.
>>8163024
You are literally a hat. The best you can hope for is to be donned.
>>8163024
If you are described as "normal", you are mediocre by definition. If you had anything worth lauding, it would be otherwise.
Sorry a life of mediocrity is the best you can do for yourself, but don't get angry and call others hats. It's rude.
>>8161851
Out of disgust? Everyone agrees she was obsessed with him, even her own accounts.
She didn't burn them until he died. Did she do this out of concern for his privacy or hers? If so, why would she keep her diary entries, and speak of the "affair" in extravagent terms to all sorts of other people through letters? She held onto them with the hope he would fall for her and continued to re-read them, thinking of him. When he died, she burned them because it would be embarrassing if the world found out what a liar she was.
>>8163096
I'm schizophrenic, but that doesn't mean I'm not "normal". It's so damn cringey when someone says that they aren't "normal" with pride.
>>8162746
Chekhov was unfaithful.
He was also the most handsome author ever.
>>8163200
>>8163096
What is "normal" anyway? When someone says "hey that guy/girl isnt normal" the person they are talking about is usually forcing some personality quirk. this is normal to do this. hence why I find most creative people are well socially adjusted because they see how stupid it is to do this kind of thing. let your work speak for itself, not your character, and some absurd need to be dubbed "not normal" through artificial quirks and faults.
>>8163203
can you even blame handsome people for not being faithful desu
>>8163096
There is a difference between being "normal" socially and being "normal" (i.e. average) at every aspect of life
>>8158081
The shitposter who is constantly throwing "pseud" around needs to an hero fast. I recommend /r9k/ for methods, newfag.
