My wife and I are thinking about having kids soon. How do I make my kid patrician while still sending him/her/zir to public school?
Let me finger its ass
>>7742548
benis in vagina
>>7742548
>public school
found your problem right fucking there plebasaurus faggasaurus.
You're probably a faggot nu-male so he's doomed from the start with no father figure.
make child pornography
>>7742548
No TV, strictly limited interet, lots of books around, read to them daily. Maintain an epicurean garden and make the work of maintaining it part of their upbringing. Keep patrician habits yourself.
That's what we're doing with our 4 madly patrish kids, though we also school them at home on a strict Rousseauvian pedagogy.
>>7742548
As soon as they get home from school lock them in their room and make them read the Bloom-approved canon for two hours. After completing each work, test them on their comprehension and beat them with a stick every time they get a question wrong. Naturally they'll have to read at a sufficient pace (a hundred or so pages a day), with additional punishment for each day this speed isn't met. After completing the canon, expand the reading time to three hours and branch out into non-canon but other patrician works(you shouldn't have trouble finding these if you're not some kind of pleb). At the age of 15 or so, you can allow them to make the occasional suggestion, but naturally physical punishment will be needed to dissuade them from straying from the patrician path. And remember, no genre fiction.
Alternatively, teach them about the joy and beauty of literature and allow them to explore by themselves while guiding them non-forcefully with patrish suggestions.
>>7742604
Do you home-school them completely or do you just have extracurricular learning. Also what does "Rousseauvian pedagogy" involve? Any books you can recommend?
>>7742613
Definitely the former. As I'm doing with my 7 kids who sometimes like me.
>>7742613
I'll ignore that first part. I wonder how to instill a love of reading in a kid without forcing it. I see a worst case scenario where my kid rebels against me by never reading anything. I guess just read to them a bunch and hope for the best.
>>7742620
There's also extracurricular stuff, but we're not part of any organized homeschooling communities. By "rousseauvian" I mean to say, like an ass, that their learning is unstructured and motivated mostly by curiosity and lots of reading and doing. You could look up "unschooling" or "Waldorf" schools... that's the sort of stuff that we're doing. It takes time and attention, since we have to be sure each kid is still learning all that he/she should, but the subjects overlap with each other naturally. We also live rurally and gardening/farm chores are a daily part of what they do... we try to make use of the opportunities afforded by our lifestyle for education.
The mention of Rousseau was an allusion to his book Emile, theorizing a natural education of a child away from society, for whatever it may matter,
>>7742626
I think this is part lifestyle and part example set by parents. If you and the missus enjoy lit and demonstrate the joys of literature and beauty, they will likely follow the example.
>>7742626
Start by reading them (age-appropriate) bed time stories, I guess. Children are by nature curious and if they see you spend a lot of time reading books they'll probably develop at least an interest in them. There's no point to forcing children to do something they don't want to though, and if your kid ends up hating books you should still try and be a good dad and take them to karate classand sneak Mishima books into their room
>>7742634
Dude you seriously need to get in on those homeschool communities or your kids are going to be huge spergslike you. I've witnesses the product of homeschooling with little/no outside social experience and it ain't pretty.
>>7742634
Thanks for the info friendo. That sounds like a really idyllic life you guys are carving out there. My wife really wants us to get a little farm too, unfortunately I'm an RN and she teaches so we cant get too far away from a hospital/school.
>>7742654
Part of it is opportunity and geography... they do music lessons and are involved in local community activities, but we're not close enough to the nearest organized HS group to take advantage of it. I would like to, but the travel time and cost is prohibitive at the moment.
Thanks for the vote of confidence though, you twat.
>>7742548
Dont because it would be cruel to cast a child into this Jammertal
>>7742656
Tricky situation. Best of luck to you, though. Schooling would be a few years off, so there's some time ti figure it out. I also teach, but my wife is at home.
OP, ignore every one in this thread except for me. Trying to grow them up into Harold Bloom will do nothing but alienate them from other kids and make sure they will never have a decent conversation with any normals human being ever.
You should still make them read, but you should also have set TV and internet times so they're still connected with current culture and can connect with others, because these days being successful socially is pretty much the only thing that gives you success and all the books in the world won't fix that.
>>7742699
Also, video Games are also extremely important for socializing. Pretty much everyone plays video games now and if your kid isn't at least decent at most of the popular games, he will be the target of ridicule.
>>7742548
>zir
Please don't procreate, there are already enough retards as it is.
>wanting a little e/lit/ist
eh, to each their own, i guess. i prefer having a jr sc/out/
Go with the Montaigne plan, it can't fail.
>Montaigne's education began in early childhood and followed a pedagogical plan that his father had developed refined by the advice of the latter's humanist friends. Soon after his birth, Montaigne was brought to a small cottage, where he lived the first three years of life in the sole company of a peasant family, in order to, according to the elder Montaigne, "draw the boy close to the people, and to the life conditions of the people, who need our help".[16] After these first spartan years, Montaigne was brought back to the château. The objective was for Latin to become his first language. The intellectual education of Montaigne was assigned to a German tutor (a doctor named Horstanus who could not speak French). His father hired only servants who could speak Latin and they also were given strict orders to always speak to the boy in Latin. The same rule applied to his mother, father, and servants, who were obliged to use only Latin words he himself employed, and thus acquired a knowledge of the very language his tutor taught him. Montaigne's Latin education was accompanied by constant intellectual and spiritual stimulation. He was familiarized with Greek by a pedagogical method that employed games, conversation, and exercises of solitary meditation, rather than the more traditional books.
>The atmosphere of the boy's upbringing, although designed by highly refined rules taken under advisement by his father, created in the boy's life the spirit of "liberty and delight" to "make me relish... duty by an unforced will, and of my own voluntary motion...without any severity or constraint";[17] yet he would have everything to take advantage of his freedom. And so a musician woke him every morning, playing one instrument or another,[18] and an épinettier (with a zither) was the constant companion to Montaigne and his tutor, playing a tune to alleviate boredom and tiredness.
>Around the year 1539, Montaigne was sent to study at a prestigious boarding school in Bordeaux, the Collège de Guyenne, then under the direction of the greatest Latin scholar of the era, George Buchanan, where he mastered the whole curriculum by his thirteenth year.
>>7742548
Read with them daily.
Maintain a positive attitude towards their mathematics school work. Lots of parents pass on a shitty defeatist attitude about math and it doesn't have to be that way.
Do outdoors stuff with them like fishing, gardening, camping and the like. Kids covet time spent with their father outdoors more than anything else once they get the taste for it.
Fuck internet, TV and video games. If you game, browse and binge-watch now, stop it or they'll pick it up. You know it's not good for anyone, and it will feel like time lost when you look back at your kid's childhood.
Fuck sweets and junk food. Your children will find that stuff on their own later, but when you control their diet, you should be instilling a taste for more nutritious foods. It's a mark of low-class to have a sweet tooth, and obviously bad for your health.
Board games, puzzles, skits and dramatic readings are what you want for indoor family recreation.
Read "Class: A Guide Through the American Status System," by Paul Fussell. Take an honest look at yourself, and realize that you can pass on upper-middle-class attitudes to your children.
Sports are important to a kid's development. I went to an Ivy League school and did grad work at MIT. Despite the stereotypes, there is no shortage of brilliant people with amazing and athletic bodies. All of them claim their lives would be much worse without vigorous physical activity. Just maybe not football. That shit's really bad for your brain.
>>7742765
This.
>>7742699
I personally know loads of people who barely do that stuff and are successful. Stop acting like your bad habits are fucking vitamins just because everyone in your circle (think about that for a second) has them.
>>7742765
>Take an honest look at yourself, and realize that you can pass on upper-middle-class attitudes to your children.
I don't get it... is this a warning or something to aspire to?
>>7742728
I think you just got tricked :(
>>7742764
>first three years
>among the peasantry
man, what a way to skip out on diapers, bawlings, and nursing
>>7742776
When people think of the traits of clever, successful, hard-working and cultured people, they aren't thinking of the uppermost classes, which are largely out of sight, and barbaric in their stagnation. They're thinking of the upper-middle-class (doctors, bankers, successful entrepeneurs, etc).
It's what everyone with aspirations aspires to, though the label may be unfamiliar.
>>7742793
I see what you mean, but the associations that I have with the upper-middle classes and professional classes is affluence, over consumption, smugness, comfort in the face of inequality, etc.
I'm totally with being clever and hard work and all, but just wasn't familiar with its association with the UM class. Thanks for clarifying.
What if the child is a girl though? Can you turn a girl into a patrician? I don't think you can even turn her into an introvert to be honest
>>7742765
I will def read that book friend. I have some of those bad habits you listed but I am on my way to vanquishing them. I recently quit smoking and that has motivated me to fixing a lot of other aspects of my life.
I think that I will make a goal to take a year and rid myself of all those habits (gaming, sweets) and then I'll be confident that i will be leading by example to my kid.
Also the idea of having my kids put on little plays and dramatic monologue sounds really nice.
Be a complete idiot and fail in everything that you do so that your child feels forced to be better than you in order to not be an epic fail like you.
It shouldn't be difficult.
>>7742826
Just a warning about the book: it can be really smug and insulting. I don't know you, but try not to take it personally, because the observations are dead-on accurate, just delivered in a tone that may incline some to dismiss them.
>>7742825
You don't want to make your kids introverts if it can be avoided. Extroversion is pretty much one of the most important traits in predicting future success.
I tend to be introverted, but ever step I take towards being more outgoing has made my life objectively better.
>>7742548
This is what me and my wife do:
1. Moved to the whitest place possible
2. Researched school districts that ranked at the top of the state in standardized testing and placed students in ivies (they usually advertise this)
3. Found towns that cost lots in income tax (keeps the mouth-breathers out)
4. Raise your child with discipline (I dont hit but I severely limit privileges and make my anger known)
5. Raise your kid with pride in who he or she is, and maybe a little disgust in decadent or idiotic behavior.
6. Read to your kid every single night. I read one picture/kids book and one chapter of a chapter book, and I try to do stuff like watership down, kipling, robert louis stevenson,poetry, and childrens adaptations of greek classics
7. Engage your kids in physical activity: swimming skiing dance gymnastics bodyweight exercises.
8. Emphasize strength and a competitive edge, stressing that failure is only ok if you use it as a means to improve yourself.
9. encourage cynicism and understanding of bias
Not saying I will succeed (some people just are bad seeds and they all start off as kids) but being even and fair and staying away from ideology until they can make rational decisions themselves will hopefully pay off..
>>7742907
Holy shit, are you my dad? If so, thank you.
>>7742907
>tfw 4chan autists will make better parents than 80% of people
>>7742907
*property tax
>>7742945
There's some really good /pol/ pasta floating around about how society has become so decadent that the only way left for young men with an outsider complex to rebel is for them to return to stronger values.
I think /pol/ may have been right about that.
>>7742907
This is excellent ,but it makes me sad that I've failed to have a family of my own.
>>7742945
Most of the mothers in my circle of acquaintances in the snobby rich white town I live in practice "empathetic parenting" (not yelling but understanding) and feed their kids organic swill and censor everything about their lives.
>>7742958
/pol/ aside, conservative backlash is inevitably going to be the rebellious youth movement in the future (happens periodically throughout history following long periods of increasing social liberalism), but i think it's probably still a generation away as a rebuttal to the current sexual/gender liberation extremism.
>>7742980
Never too late to try unless you're like 60. Try one of the marriage-oriented dating sites.
>>7742980
Tinder and find a fat girl with a pleasing face desu.
>>7742988
Same with all the girls I went to high school with. Most of their kids are vegetarian and have never heard a person yell. One of them won't even let anyone use the word God around their kid.
I feel bad for the children, desu.
>>7742997
Who wants to be a 60-year-old first time dad?
>>7743003
My ex was fat with a pretty face. I hated her for it. Should could have been stunning if she hadn't been so lazy.
It's too late if your 25+ and barely self sufficient. You'll never have the means, until it is too late, to raise children successfully. Raising kids in poverty ruins their potential as much as lead exposure would.
>>7743683
>tfw in love with a chubby girl
I've dated and fugged so many smokeshows, and now I can't even believe I'm so into this girl.
She's just so smart and emotionally well-adjusted...
>>7742548
primetime bump
Tell us how you'll raise your wife's son.
>>7742765
I think the key to good parenting is doing everything to not damage your children. They are so easy to ruin. But there is only so much you can do to build them up
>>7742548
>zir
You already failed
>>7744395
http://www.ibtimes.com/shiloh-jolie-pitt-gender-update-2015-angelina-brads-children-reportedly-support-their-2100584
>>7742765
I can attest to the effects of concussions. I've sustained around 7 in my life, 5 of which from American Football. I recommend Tennis, it requires both athleticism and technique. Fuck football man, I can't wait for cancer to take me away at the ripe age of 67.
>>7742907
Chads: The how to guide to raising your very own Chad.
I think parents that try to raise their kid to be a certain way usually fail miserably and end up being disappointed in what they made their kid to be.
>>7742548
when the kid is in the womb, play audiobooks of the greeks, that way he'll have started with the greeks before his senses have been polluted by the plebness of the world
>>7744408
disregard faggy tennis, acquire skill in the manliest and most athletic sport in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w7LxPh5ppQ
also soccer, train your kid into a trequartista, make him a chess player and a spatial artist at the same time
>>7744420
probably gonna get my daughter into oly, best chance to get an olympian and she has god tier genetics
>>7744415
All you can do is lay a foundation, and let them build the house.
>>7744422
gymnastics is superior for girls tho
though Im not sure what my dick would think if my daughter grew up looking like mckayla maroney
>>7744416
You are the equivalent of the sports dad who couldn't make it, pushing his son into being pro.
Not only are you going to raise incredibly fucked up and depressed individuals, they will spend their entire lives hating you for forcing western cannon on them and creating such an imbalanced world view. When they figure out that's the actual reason why the hate you. Until then expect to age 20 years when they are 13-17. As increasingly more risky and dangerous behaviour is the only way they can find a beating pulse in their dead unenthusiastic hollow hearts. I'm going to predict: drug addict male prostitute, drop out art student fucking Chinese college professor, ultra religious missionary mormon convert and alcoholic, how many more kids do you have?
I've known you for 2 minutes and I can already see what a pathetic underachieving caricature you are, how long do you think it will take your children to connect the dots.
You raise a good person by being a good person, not by pretending. The first thing a baby can sense is when a person is sincere and when they are deceptive. But your carefully constructed house of cards won't tumble down, because you're special right. Subpar and disgusting leech with no original or genuine thoughts, that's why your country's going down the shitter. Last great generation die in WW2, only dregs and closet fascists left.
>>7744432
Not that guy, but you have no idea what you're talking about. My parents raised me very similarly to what's outlined in >>7742907 and 4chan is pretty much my only vice.
You're assuming that children who are raised that way will resent it as much as you would if someone barged into your fap-room and made you read the Iliad. People generally like what their parents like.
>>7744428
Travel teams are extremely petty and I have no interest in forcing her to do that. Oly lifting would be fun because its something we could do together, skiing is great for that too. All I ask is that she does SOMETHING, as sitting home doing nothing is poison.
Speaking of poisonous NEETs
>>7744432
You know nothing about me, and are completely wrong frogposter. All I want from my children is mental and physical effort. As long as they maintain a fitness regimen and work hard in academics I dont care if they become a hair dresser, as long as they try to be the best hair dresser they can be.
>>7742907
you're a hero
>>7742907
>whitest place possible
where?
>>7744437
>Travel teams are extremely petty and I have no interest in forcing her to do that. Oly lifting would be fun because its something we could do together, skiing is great for that too
ok, can understand where youre coming from.
have you thought about classical music training and instrument lessons? IDK what exactly I'll do w my eventual kids but that's the one thing I know I'll do
>All I want from my children is mental and physical effort
also this. I wish I had gotten stuff like this from my parents, exposure to different things and gentle push towards improvement. I was like 19 before I realized the value of this shit, on my own, and by then I had a decade of catching up with the more fortunate ones
>>7744433
Can only conclude you're too fucking naive and sheltered to see what a giant loser you actually are. Ever visit another country? Talk to anyone outside your age, income, social bracket?
Must be hard to see a cage when you keep your eyes firmly shut right.
>>7744437
Measure yourself before you measure others. Your metric is the antithesis of freedom in a free society, and soul crushing expectations churn out the worst in mankind. Of course the Soviet and Eastern European System churned out millions of exactly these types of well adjusted individuals, both mindful of intellectual and active in physical pursuits. Generations of psychopaths, unwilling to compromise some ideal of self-superiority as their crumbling system fails due to inability to self correct the nose dive to the bottom. But I'm sure your personal ethos is different right, it's not like that at all. Ego sheds from the humility of hard work. Have you ever worked hard in your life?
>You know nothing about me
Your childish misguided idealism speaks louder than any biography could you fucking retard. Complete ignorance of history and the human condition, gently peppered with muh American values as your entire economic and political waters are spiralling the drain. Head firmly up your ass, real life remain undetected.
>>7744461
I've lived in two third-world countries, graduated from an elite university and worked blue-collar labor jobs in high school for spending cash. I think you're making a ton of assumptions about things that weren't stated in the post.
>all I want from my children is... effort
Really, you're mad about that? If he said, "I want one kid to be a doctor and one to be a lawyer," or, "I'll be so disappointed if my kid doesn't become a National Merit Scholar," or, "I'm going to breed a basketball team," (I've heard these irl), then yeah, those are stupid expectations because they're rigid and highly specific.
He's just trying to introduce his kids to activities that will provide them with versatile skills and help them navigate the world and make informed decisions.
>>7744461
m8 u trole or what? missed too many opportunities in life, making you bitter towards society? don't you feel like you're the only one who gets it, and everyone else is just an empty shell?
you do know that this shit works on a scale? you don't need to go full crazy asian tiger mom
kids in general don't know shit and need some nudging towards the right direction, especially with goal setting and delayed gratification. this of course doesn't mean that you should ignore all their personal inclinations but its pointless to try to explain that to you because you seem unable to think in anything other than black and white
>>7742548
Are you both white?
>>7742826
Hey man you could put in all the effort in the world but they kind of come out with a certain way they're gonna be. Habits and interests, at least the development of them, are way too complicated for any parent to even try to control. Even if you use discipline to make your kids read if they hate it they'll stop once they leave the house.
This is all opinion obviously but I think the most important responsibility of the parent is to remove any bias they have about how they want their kid to be and make an earnest attempt at who their kid is. You can work from there.
For example, if you get to know your kid and you think they're probably an asshole it might be best not to try to force that out of them. Like obviously teach manners and humanist respect but some kids are just assholes, then you might recommend some literature that assholes would enjoy and grow from. Become a more whole and enlightened asshole, hopefully a happy asshole who still calls when they're in their thirties.
>>7744477
All learning is done by example. Everything else is empty window dressing.
I'm not mad, simply couldn't resist the bait seeing this fucking demagogy about 'how to raise a child' as if you end up raising anything but a carbon copy of yourself.
>trying to introduce his kids to activities that will provide them with ver...
To suggest you can artificially do this is to suggest you can plan and manage an individual's growth and development, somehow removed from their biggest influence in life- yourself, the parent. A child learns in the gaps, between the activities, because it's an organic process you can't micromanage.
>lived in two third-world countries, graduated from an elite university and worked bl...
Seems like you learned nothing from it.
Incredible how it's always the most unhappy maladjusted morons who end up defending their station in life to the bitterest of ends. Lack of sincerity is lack of character. A deficit a lifetime of education can't rebalance.
>>7742548
force them to learn hundreds of Latin verses by heart and punish them by depriving them of food if they make a mistake
>>7744551
You're making the assumption that one can't improve oneself, or that it's somehow cheating to seek to improve oneself for the good of one's children.
He honestly didn't suggest micromanagement at all. I think you just don't understand how people go about working on themselves when they think a change needs to be made. Some things have to be done deliberately or they won't be done at all.
I'd bet anything that you grew up lower-middle-class at best, but probably working or welfare class.
>>7744551
I'm curious as to what you have to suggest anon, although I'm about 80% sure it involves degeneracy
>>7744576
>I'd bet anything that...
I'll let you hang there friend, your words the noose and empty value system the stool kicked out from under you. Legs and arms flailing desperate for reprieve with the last bastion lack of intellect congruently provides you, money. Your only true sense of worth and measure, ever inflating... yet devaluing.
>>7742548
make sure your kid reads Gene Wolfe
>>7744612
Class isn't just about money. It marks you in the way you view the world and think about and present yourself.
Your shitty diction, for one thing.
>>7744609
Give them a knife, a copy of the Iliad (Pope Translation) and set them loose into the woods at age 3. The dedication on the first page will read:"Return a man or not at all."
>>7744625
visibly cringed reading this.
>public school
DO NOT DO THIS
IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILD DO NOT DO THIS
Unless it's a charter or magnet school of some sort. Teach your kid how to read and write before the age of five. Read your kid Narnia and the Jungle Book. Teach them about mathematics through Euclid. You could pay a tutor to come into your house and give your child lessons for a few hours every day. One of the main reasons kids are in school for so long is because the time factors in the quantity of problems that come up in educating that many students.
Of course if they don't want to do any of this before the age of four, don't make them.
But seriously do not send your kid a generic public school if you care about their intellectual development.
>>7744650
The worst is that my cousin can easily afford to send her kids to a private school, but think they're going to learn toughness or some shit by going to a garbage-tier public school.
>>7744637
The above is an example of someone who makes lots of money holding on to the prole-tier values they grew up with. Just an example of what I mean about class.
>>7742907
>encourage cynicism and understanding of bias
Jesus, it's like you want your kids to be asshats
>>7744659
I can't understand why parents think that. If toughness is not an intrinsic trait it can't be taught through an alienating series of events in surroundings. Toughness is very much about being in tune with sensory expression, and if the child is unable to do that they're probably not going to assimilate the toughness others are demonstrating solely through demonstration.
>>7744682
Bias comes as a result of jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. You should stop instilling that in your kids and teach them how to actually think through things.
>>7744689
I don't have children of my own just yet, but I'd love to hear the advice of a successful man with successful children like yourself.
The thing about children of educated parents asking more questions and not taking the word of adults at face value is the conclusion of extensive research on the subject, by the way.
>>7744701
How do you define success?
Bias =/= not taking things at face value.
Bias is applying some sort of emotional conclusion to a situation. "I have a bias against public schooling" has an entirely different connotation than "I'm against public schooling" The latter is open-ended, having a bias means holding an opinion that can't be moved because you feel too strongly about it. This isn't rational.
>>7742548
homeschool
>>7742604
Pierre Jacob
Homeschooling has a bad reputation. Why? Because most parents who homeschool are idiots, and it shows through in how stupid their kids come out the other end.
Are you an idiot? I don't know, I'm just a stranger on the internet. But ask yourself: are you able to teach a subject better than a public school teacher who has a masters in their subject and is forced to teach to a standardized curriculum? Perhaps in your own field of study that's a solid "yes", but not in everything that makes up the typical modern western canon.
You see this type of thing in homeschooling message boards all the time: "Doctors and Lawyers homeschool their children at 800% the rate of other parents." And ya know what? I trust the typical doctor to be smart enough to homeschool their children. But not the typical conservative Republican housewifes who is afraid of public schooling because it is done by the government and the government is of the devil which seem to dominate the internet telling you to homeschool your kids.
The best thing you can do for your children is to instill a love of learning in them at home. Encourage reading whenever you can, and eventually you won't have to. Develop a scientific curiosity in them as children before it turns into the cold scientific skepticism we adults have. Don't even have a television in your house, not because TV is inherently bad, but because commercials poison children't minds before they have the mental capacity to understand they are being manipulated.
If you do that, then it shouldn't matter too much whether you do the homeschool thing or not.
make them memorize and recite poetry and literary passages for allowance.
>>7744787
Heheheheh
>>7744787
Maybe the three millionth time I say it it'll be *even funnier*!
>>7742548
Restrict TV and video games. Make reading and drawing some of their "fun" things to do.
The internet is okay. Let them experience the internet on their own, but keep tabs on them. Make sure they're not going TOO wild, and if they are, explain to them what exactly they're seeing. Don't punish them just for being naturally curious.
And I know I'm going to get meemed on HARDCORE for this, but show them "Cracked dot com", and then after they read everything on there, show them Reddit, and then after about 2 years or so, show them 4chan.
But I think the most important thing of all time is to tell them to BEE THemselfs!
In all seriousness, teach them that the most important thing they can do as a child is to FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS, and not to feel pressured into believing one thing just because everyone else says so.
Teach them to DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH and to FIND OUT WHERE THAT RESEARCH IS COMING FROM.
Tell them to be smart about their decisions, and to always know WHY they believe X is X and Y is Y.
Tell them that it's OKAY not to have a correct answer all the time, and tell them that it's OKAY to admit when they don't know anything.
Introduce them to exercise early in their lives, and buy your son some dumbbells when he turns 13, and take your daughter to horseback riding and cheerleading practice.
Teach your son to appreciate the engineering within an engine, and the thrill of dancing with a girl.
Teach your daughter how to braid her hair, and teach your daughter some motherfucking Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Teach your daughter how to cook breakfast, and lunch, and teach your son how to cook dinner.
Teach your kids to sing in church, because that's the only time they're really going to get to sing as loud, and as passionately as they want.
Positive reinforcement has been shown to be MUCH better than corporal punishment.
BEE. YOurSELV.
One of the smartest guys I know was raised somewhat 'Spartan' after his mother died. He had no TV and his only toy was Meccano. The surprising thing is though; he's actually completely sociable popular guy but also a GPA 7 chemical Engineer
>having kids
Completely antithetical to the patrician life, so you can't raise a patrician.
>>7742907
If your children end up happy, they will thank you for putting them in the right place. If they do not end up happy, they will rightfully blame you, hate your guts and piss on your grave for being so controlling and ruining their childhood for your /pol/tard ideals.
Your methods are a double edged sword. I would lighten up a little.
>>7744775
When you're rich and smart enough to homeschool correctly, you are probably rich enough to send your kid to an expensive private school who would still do it better than you.
So no matter what, homeschooling isn't that great of an option if your goal is to make them successful.However, if you want to make them an autistic religious freak who can barely function in social situations then homeschooling is your best option.
>>7744415
This.
The education begins when the kid is 3 yo.
Play with him using written-words panels and some foreign language.
I was born in Peru and I learnt to read at age 3 and to count to 100 in english when I was 3-4 years old. My mother spent most afternoons playing with words and numbers cartels with me. If you are going to be busy, give up.
This is the basis of teaching.
Also, you have to manage to teach him what is discipline (effort->reward). It's truly important he must learn that in his first years of life.
>>7742604
Whatever you do OP, do not listen to this guy. I know a boy that has parents like this (they don't have a TV because his parents say that it will poison his mind), and he is totally retarded. I swear to god being socially retarded is a causal factor to not having a television.
Looking at this thread I'm pretty sure we're going to have an entire generation of eliott rogers who will grow up thinking they'r the fucking aristocracy and then lash out at the world when it turns out they really are just megalomaniac spergs
anon please don't have any children
You can't force someone to be smart or care about patrician things. Just look at some families. The parents raised all the kids basically the same, they all went to the school, and one is a valedictorian, the other much lower.
The best you can do is if you have an idiot, make them a cool, unspiteful idiot.
Nature > Nurture
>>7742764
Montaigne was sexist himself but his essay on Teaching children is very good...just saying.
>>7745232
>You can't force someone to be smart or care about patrician things
And that's because education begins in the first years of life.
The music taste, behaviors and the thoughts of ambition are developed since they are little toddlers (2-3 years old), maybe earlier.
>You can't force someone to be smart or care about patrician things
What a dumb statement. I'm really triggered.
>>7745240
If you force your kids to be only interested in what you think is patrician, they'll just rebel by becoming the biggest white trash possible
home school him, faggot
unschool him to be more exact
>>7745232
I don't think that every child from the same family receives the same education and attention from its parents. with more experience and under the influence of other outside influences each child receives a different upbringing. Purely anecdotal btw.
What books does /lit/ intend on reading to their kids? For me, a shortlist would include:
The Phantom Toll Booth
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Through the Looking-Glass
The Hobbit
The Chronicles of Narnia
Lots of Roald Dahl
Shel Silverstein
Dr. Seuss
Redwall Series
>>7745258
Holes - Louis Sachar
The horror at camp Jellyjam - R.L.Stine
La familia de Pascual Duarte - C.J.Cela
Niebla - M. de Unamuno
The madman's tale - John Zimmerman
Götzen-Dämmerung oder Wie man mit dem Hammer philosophirt - Herr Zarathustra
O Alquimista - Paulo Coelho
Crónica de una muerte anunciada - Marquez
孙子兵法 - 孫子
El último tren a Zurich - César Vidal
>>7744432
you're embarrassing nobody but yourself
>>7742764
tl;dr: Start with the Greeks (and start early, and start in Latin)
Get him a hot hooker if he hasn't lost it by 20
>>7745108
>And I know I'm going to get meemed on HARDCORE for this, but show them "Cracked dot com", and then after they read everything on there, show them Reddit, and then after about 2 years or so, show them 4chan.
what the fuck is wrong with you
>>7745297
He is butthurt because he can't understand this: "Be yourself".
So he sperged out.
>>7745235
>Montaigne was sexist
oh no!
>>7745308
Decadence is conformism. Conformism is mediocrity. Mediocrity is abandoning your dreams.
Abandoning your dreams is compensating it being a stoner, drunk, a lower achiever or a mix of both of them.
>>7745240
You know, I don't know much about small children. You're probably right. I was mostly referring to when they get older.
>>7745316
Doesn't decadence require above average status already?
So how or why
>Decadence is conformism.
?
>>7745308
Decadence IS decline. Why is decline bad? We'll just have to see where it brings us in a few hundred years.
>>7745317
When they get older, they have had learnt what is discipline. So they "copy" what you taught them, and recieve their own rewards keeping a cycle of little achievements. Also, your complexes will be reflected on them.
If you are going to have a kid, be sure to manage to face your own complexes.
Their knowledge tastes are still being developed by their environment. But you put the basis, so he already should have the incentive of "knowing everything".
Be a lovely father with your kid. But he must know how are you when you get angry.
>>7745325
The definition of decadence that anon-senpai defined was: Decadence=conformism.
Also, decadence=public behavior.
Public behavior=lazyness and conformism.
It's not that hard to link both terms.
>Doesn't decadence require above average status already?
It's the change from "an active and full human being" to "a sedentary and alienated human being."
Which person is the happy one?
>>7745308
>What is the exact problem with decadence?
read your damn history of rome, lad
>>7745232
>Nature > Nurture
in general this has been proven true, but most kids still need help to realize their full potential
the problems start when parents over- or underestimate potential or try to channel it to very rigid paths
>>7745379
>in general this has been proven true
That's because in general people let the kids learn from the TV since kids. They start to gain "elite" knowledge when they get to the preschool.
Typical.
>>7744432
Jesus, the energy it took to write that vitriol could have been put into a therapy tug. The choices people make.
>>7745375
not sure where you're getting at
nature dictates a lot of how the kid reacts to the "elite" knowledge, no matter what he's done at home. and I daresay that the high potential kids will, even if not encouraged, quit the tv and whatever else because it doesn't stimulate or engage them anymore. they get bored and start engaging the world on their own terms, invent their own pursuits. of course, if theyre locked in a cellar or something, they wont have many avenues to pursue anything, but the point is, if the kid lacks the innate capability, no amount of opportunity or encouragement will make him develop genuine talent.
there's plenty of science to back this up but it won't get mentioned that much because
1: it goes against the idea of equality
2: masturbating over this kind of stuff doesn't do much good anyway. give all the kids a decent general education, try to spot and encourage the high potentials, to get them to develop their talents, that's pretty much the max anyone can do
>tfw you don't know if you should have kids at all
the last thing I want to do is to spread my decadence
>>7745429
nothing is more pleasant than spreading your decadence over a pair of fine ass cheeks
>>7745420
>nature>nurture
You were affirming that "no matter what we could teach them they won't get anywhere from here".
I don't know about geniuses, though.
>nature dictates a lot of how the kid reacts to the "elite" knowledge
Read this >>7745169
I personally don't know about the "nature" of children, not even its existence.
>if the kid lacks the innate capability
I don't know about geniuses. But I hope this anectdote explains the "innate capability and ambition" that you were talking on your post.
>preemptively restricting things
Fuck you guys would be shit parents. You're supposed to allow your children to experience everything and CURB unhealthy behavior. Your child will almost always reflect off parents until age 13-15. So your behavior is essentially their behavior. During the teen years it's practically a dice roll, but the transition into adulthood is easier if they didn't grow up being cornered into a wall with a specific lifestyle/perspective.
>>7744689
I meant understanding bias in media, lit, etc. Not giving them a bias
>>7745308
This >>7745316 and also the fact that we are affluent, and my children will be privileged. Privileged children do not view struggle as a necessity, and fall back upon support mechanisms when they fail. I want to encourage self-reliance and self-sufficiency along with financial responsibility. A profligate, uneducated club girl who is seeking a man to support her would indicate my total failure.
>>7745569
>self-reliance and self-sufficiency
stupid capitalist-liberal memes
>>7745578
Outside of Pyongyang, Havana, and Cambridge Mass that is the world we live in.
>>7742958
>Teases a good pasta
>Nobody posts it
baka tbqh senpai
>>7745588
The world is the world. These ideologies hold no claim to ownership of it.
>>7745569
>the fact that we are affluent
This whole post tell me you are not affluent and you think too highly of yourself. Actually privileged children are trust fund brats who will never need to work a day in their lives and would never need to seek out some guy to support them.
>Self reliance and self-sufficiency
Are you going to throw them on a deserted island like Crusoe? Because otherwise they are reliant on the interconnected market economy for everything they do.
So with all of this ridiculous sperging out, can I ask how many of you seers and sages have children? How many have had any part in raising of educating a child? Is this more than just theory for any of you?
>>7745169
believe me or don't, but my story parallels yours. I learned to read at 3(native finn) and I was fluent at english at 6-7. the difference? my parents did jackshit. I picked up reading from comic books, on my own, and english with a dictionary + simcity 2 and secret of the monkey island. nobody taught me anything, it was pure "accident".
>>7745463
That doesn't work with electronic entertainments and junk foods that are designed to be addictive.
>>7742548
Don't make more than a kid, just adopt them. We're facing an overpopulation problem, and you could help us.
Patrician? Make him understand suffering, and then show him the wise way. Suffering is the motor of success.
>>7742597
Also, this. But only if the kid wants to.
>>7742548
>>7746412
You do realise adoption is dysgenic, right? You're helping the genes of people who are reproduce despite not being able to provide for their offspring.
With the exception of freak accidents where two genius parents die in a car crash, adoption is objectively making the world a worse place.
If you want to help the world, go sterilise Africans.
>>7745977
I posted a list of stuff my parents did for me, so I've seen it done.
Interestingly, that list caused people to sperg out and claim it was unreasonable or impossible.
>>7746433
Adoption is an extremely risky bet for this reason. In my experience, girls adopted from China seem to turn out fine compared to American and Eastern European crack babies. Probably something to do with mothers turning them over for adoption in situations where the family isn't in dire straits.
>>7744715
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
this is what he's talking about
>>7745877
>This whole post tell me you are not affluent and you think too highly of yourself
We make half a million a year. We are affluent. We arent .001% but we do very well. We live in a town where everyone drives mercedes and audi s-series, has nannys, skis etc.
If you dont believe it, I dont care. Call it true for the sake of argument.
>>7746519
China also has high average IQs whereas an African child will very likely be a literal moron.
>>7746425
This, what the fuck is wrong with you OP?
>>7746905
>hurr muh suffering
counterpoint: hurr muh joy
>>7742548
> How do I make my kid patrician while still sending him/her/zir to public school?
It is literally impossible to ensure.
When I was in elementary and middle school I never read anything the school asked to to. I just asked people what happened and in middle school I used to internet for summaries.
It is for precisely this that I love reading today. Most kids learned to hate reading at a young age because it was being jammed down their throats. I read my first book on my own terms and it was at the end of middle school that I developed a love for reading.
The point I'm trying to make is that you have to let the kid find it on their own. There is always the chance that they will just end up a stoner or a gamer and while you could try and stop these, you can't make them like reading.
The best thing you could do is to read to the kid to let them see how great the stories are, then make sure there are always great books available and make sure the kids knows that they can pick one up if they want to. Maybe talk to them about some books you love and tell them why you love reading, but never force it on them.
Parents who force their kids to do stuff like read or play music are terrible parents. The kids who grow up with too many rules turn into adults who are clueless and don't know how to critically think.
Yes, there are definitely some kids who can thrive under these conditions and will end up with a life long love of reading, but you risk messing them up forever.
The bottom line is you don't know what kid of person your kid will be and you have to accept them (I know that is overused but it is true). If your kid is a reader, then the best think to do is give them lots of opportunities to read. If they are not, having books in the house will not hurt them.
If you can't accept having a [insert any specific type of person] as a kid then don't have kids. I know I would never be happy with a loser (by my own definition) as a son or daughter.
Because of that I will never have kids.
>>7742604
>Rousseauvian pedagogy
completely pleb
>>7746945
>rules
>force
Nobody's talking about making kids read. Parents who read with and to their kids raise kids who read throughout life. It's pretty much a hard fact. Kids like to do things with their parents and internalize their parents values. If you're reading that shit and sharing your genuine love of it with your kid, they'll internalize that.
We're all of your interactions with your parents in the form of rules, chores and punishment?
>>7746960
>tfw my dad played Doom with me once when I was four and now I'm obsessed with video games
>>7747002
did your dad also displace any responsibility for all the bad choices he made in life onto you
>>7745621
You're right. It's best to tech children that they can leech off others and have others do their work. Regardless of your opinion on those ideologies and how you view community effort, your children should atleast be familiar with self reliance and self sufficiency as the Community isn't guaranteed to watch out for them.
>>7742548
>asking for parenting advice on 4chan
please don't be real please don't be real please don't be real
>>7746412
>Overpopulation problem
That's in the Third World and they kill themselves all the time so it evens out.
>>7747026
>"self-reliance"
>"self-sufficiency"
>the capital-c "Community"
pure ideology
>>7747021
no but he yelled and got mad at me a lot so now I have a subconscious aversion against him even though I love him
>>7747036
This, also Canada should legalize assisted suicide for mentally ill people so they can kill themselves if therapy, drugs and workout regimes don't stabilize their moods.
>>7747043
Pure ideology can keep you alive sometimes.
>>7746960
The thread said how do I make my kid patrician. Since this is a literature board I assumed the OP was talking about having the kid like good lit.
You must not have read my post carefully enough, because I pretty much what you are saying. I said that parents should read to their kids and should talk to their kids about why they love reading.
I specifically said they should not force their kids to read. I mentioned this because lots of people think this is a valid way of raising kids (surely you know some people like that), and not because anyone in the thread said that it was a good idea.
>We're all of your interactions with your parents in the form of rules, chores and punishment?
I have no idea what made you think this.
>>7747080
I thought that because you seem to have take "make" to mean "force to be through strict regulation" rather than just "form".
>>7742548
Avoid the blue and red pills, they are degenerate.
>>7747026
you don't want your kids to be able to fall back on support mechanisms when they fail
I assume you're going to kick him to the curb when 18, not buy him an apartment, not pay for his college, and then tell him to "get a job"
>>7746924
You obviously didn't read Benatar.
>>7747094
Seriously though, if you want your kid to be in the same socioeconomic class as you, you're generally going to have to offer them more than barebones support.
People who think they can do what you described and not disadvantage their children got spooked hard by the "self-made-man" mythology. Not that there are no self-made men, but they're the exception, not the rule, among successful people.
