What is /lit/'s opinion of Elliot Rodger's 'My Twisted World'
Personally I think it is the best piece of literature ever written.
http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf
>>7720013
Elliot Roger is a byproduct of a society that has put too much emphasis on materialism. I have not read his whole manifesto, but part of me can't help but feel a little sorry for him.
>>7720013
I enjoyed it. The unintentionally funny portrait of a mass murderer as an unhappy young sperg. His miserable life was actually an interesting critique of our hedonistic status driven culture.
>>7720013
we've had this discussion many times
the general opinion (which i share) is that it provides a fascinating window into a mind warped by hollywood hyper-capitalism
a less well-shared opinion (though also my own) is that if it had been released without an attendant shooting it would have been hailed as a masterwork by certain lit quarters
is it the best ever written? no, you're trolling. but we take it seriously.
It's just about a resentful loser playing World of Warcraft...
>>7720018
The only way it could have been hailed as a masterwork is if it were a satire, but given Elliott's actions, it clearly wasn't.
Though I mostly agree with the rest of your post.
>>7720037
The attack was satire too, you mong.
>>7720042
This
Elliot was a genius dedicated to his art.
It's definitely an interesting look at high functioning autism and the cognitive distortion it has on a person's thoughts about himself, his family, and the world. They say people with autism tend to be self-centered individuals because they can't often put themselves in someone else's shoes and their thoughts are largely occupied about their own needs and desires. I'm 24 and was recently diagnosed with Aspergers, and was surprised to find mirrored some of the anxieties that I've often had - that complete lack of self-confidence and inability to take a genuine interest in others and that gnawing emotional pain sometimes felt when hearing or seeing about someone succeeding, having a better job than you and having a girlfriend. The opposite of schadenfreude. He had an extremely external locus of control and obviously felt like he wasn't in charge of the events in his life and that his happiness was completely in the hands of other people, and felt happy when he could retreat into his own grandiose fantasy world where he could rule. I really do worry about boards like /r9k/ where these kinds of warped thoughts are normalized and might help feed the delusional worldview that people like Elliot have.
Solid literature. The catcher in the rye of our generation.
The only masterwork was his day of retribution.
>>7720018
>>7720016
>>7720017
what are some books on 21st century consumerism and hollywood culture
>>7720013
>mfw everyone is blaming consumerism, hyper-capitalism (in liberal land Hollywood?) and blablabla.
It is in reality the portrait of an autistic guy who was never treated with enough understanding, curiosity or compassion. He had no standards of human communication and tried guessing everything by himself. Of course he failed miserably. He was specially miserable when it came to women and trying to figure out how to communicate with them.
That has nothing to do with appearance or consumption. It has everything to do with a dumb boy who was neglected during most of his life trying to understand the world by himself.
>>7720081
>cognitive distortion
>delusional worldview
His/their point of view is as valid as any other. It's just not the most common.
>>7720111
>He had no standards of human communication and tried guessing everything by himself
he literally imitated capeshit hollywood heroes. splashing people with his juice like a comic book character. did you read that part when he broke his legs and hoped that a hot girl will take him home and "maybe even have sex with him"?
>are blood elves nazis
kek
>>7720111
he bought into the advertising though
he thought having a flash car and a designer shirt meant something
and was enraged when he found out his sister was having sex with a guy who didn't even have a car
>>7720024
>I didnt like it because of the characters
You discusting fucking animal
>>7720111
He was probably fucked no matter what, he seemed pretty much incapable of making an even remotely realistic model of another person's mind, and social interaction might as well have been like reading hieroglyphics for him.
>>7720111
it doesn' bring it up much in his memoir but he was in therapy
>>7720081
>and obviously felt like he wasn't in charge
but was he pure evil or necessary evil?
>>7720107
Postmodernism, or, The cultural logic of late capitalism
>>7720169
>still thinks evil is a thing
Misguided. At best just crazy.
>>7720172
I see. Shame tho, with his connections and a proper upbringing he could have become a big guy in Hollywood.
I loved it. I was more than a little disconcerted to empathise so much with what he wrote.
The part where he talks about his incredulity at not winning the lottery was so spot on.
>>7720081
He wasn't high functioning tho
>>7720204
yes he was
high functioning is when you arent hitting yourself repeatedly and wearing a nappy
It's a masterpiece and a milestones in history of literature. Dostoyevsky was mocking the Underground Man, and that's why he wrote his memories (although some dumb niggas say it was unironical). Elliot Rodgers wasn't being ironical when he wrote My Twisted World, but we read the manifesto and Elliot's persona itself like it's a satire. We all wrote that ridiculous petulant kid and we wrote his manifesto. Art took place in daily life as a result of a collective (both intentional an unintentional) behavior. That's hella awesome.
>In the midst of the fight, one of those horrible punks had snatched off my special golden necklace that my grandma Ah Mah had given me! That necklace was one of the most special items I had, and now one of those evil, wretched thugs will be selling it to buy drugs.
I'm fucking dying holy shit.
I didn't read all of it, but I found his writing style a little bit strange at time. It felt like something one would read on a fan fiction site or similar. I imagine he probably had problems with conveying himself to others in his encounters with other people.
What I found bizarre is that he wrote about how thugs and the scum of society are rewarded with attention from attractive females yet killed himself at the end of his spree. Had he survived, he would have received exactly what he wanted.
I'm just pissed about his page count
I'm still in double digits (high double digits doe)
140 pages and he was borderline retarded
damn
My sex drive was at its peak at this age. Whenever I got back from school, I had to masturbate. The urge was too strong. During my masturbation sessions I often built elaborate fantasies in my mind that I had a hot, blonde-haired girlfriend to have passionate sex with; almost like having an imaginary girlfriend. I told no one about this. In fact, I didn’t talk to my parents at all about my sexual development. I felt too guilty and embarrassed about it. Whenever they probed me, I lied to them, telling them that I had no sex drive. My mother once caught me looking at pictures of girls online, and I franticly had to convince her that I stumbled on those pictures by accident.
I also noticed that my voice was getting deeper. I was starting to sound like an actual teenager. The last stages of puberty were over.
Halo 3 came out in November. I got my mother to buy it for me on the very day it was released. I had a lot of fun playing it while drinking the special mountain dew flavor that was released with the game; Mountain Dew Game Fuel, it was called. The game definitely lived up to its expectations, and to my surprise I found myself playing it more than WoW for the first couple of weeks.
Bret Easton Ellis could never top this.
>>7720308
he got pretty close but this is the real thing
Like American Psycho but better because it's real.
ITT: "earnest" analysis of a piece of writing written by the mentally ill.
>>7720373
The mentally ill have produced some of the best books in history famalam, practically half of the western canon was written by people that would be considered insane by today's standards.
Of course none of this applies to Elliot, he's just a meme.
are there any other autobiographies or manifests by mentally sick people that are comparable and worth reading?
>>7720373
Just because he was crazy doesn't mean women who reject me aren't evil.
>>7720380
Atlas Shrugged and Ride The Tiger spring to mind.
>>7720380
The guy who shot George Wallace.
His diary was an inspiration for Taxi Driver.
How does he remember all these things in his childhood?
>>7720392
Arthur Bremer
>>7720279
well, if he liked penises in butts he would have
>>7720410
You should ask /sci/. Nobody here has that much working knowledge of neurology and how memory functions.
>>7720424
It's a shame he wasn't gay. He had nice cocksucker lips. I might have been able to help him with the right mix of sweet tenderness and brutal dominance. He wouldn't have died a kiss less virgin if I had found him in time.
>>7720437
Reading his bio, one can't help but think he has some very strong repressed homolust.
Like when he describes hearing his sister fuck her bf it almost sounds like he's disappointed he wasn't fucking him instead.
>>7720013
not lit
>>7720462
"There was one very special place that my father would often take me to. It was at the top of a range of beautiful rolling hills that I termed the “London Hills”, because I thought that London was on the other side of them. We would go there to fly kites. I can remember these experiences vividly. The hills were full of tall straw-like grass, and the weather was always windy – perfect for kite flying.
It was a time of utmost happiness and joy for me. My father taught me to fly a kite by myself. The wind was so strong that I feared it would lift up my frail little body and carry me into the clouds. Once I got the hang of it, it was exhilarating. We would fly our kites together and run with the wind. I will never forget that place."
Top lit!
>>7720471
My father never took me to fly jack shit and more or less left me to my own devices after I turned 10 and I didn't kill anybody, I also have a gf and a fairly normal life.
I think he was just born batshit.
>>7720375
>practically half of the western canon was written by people that would be considered insane by today's standards.
Could you list some of those insane writers? The only one I can think of is Balzac who talked about his characters as if they were real people.
>>7720013
He is truly the Unabomber of our time.
Their views weren't entirely misguide (if anything, frighteningly accurate), what was were their actions and responses to their revelations.
>>7720501
Dante Alighieri was an angry >tfw no gf autist who literally hated everyone that was not him.
Tolstoy went bananas towards the end of his life with christian mysticism
Emily Dickinson was an antisocial sperglady
James Joyce...I'm not even gonna go there
Oh and let's not forget Franz "r9k" Kafka.
I sincerely don't know why one would find it fascinating, afterall it's the kind of writing and thoughts you would except from an isolated kid with total disconnection from the people around him.
Inner social insecurities - especially regarding the other sex - are anything but uncommon; we're all competing in the social arena in one way or the other, and when one finds himself in a situation of vulnerability, like seeing other people together, or a refusal from a girl, the natural response for a conscious individual is to doubt himself and further feed already established insecurities. But we're not talking about a spiral and a break point; people learn, cope, rationalize, change, wait, and do whatever possible to keep themselves in line and be a somewhat a functional human being. For one to stray away from that line and go extreme, we're probably talking about development problems more than anything else.
I will not go as far as to throw in non-explanations like "austistic", "mentally ill", "assburgers", etc. But imho talking about materialism and hedonism - as much as I despise aspects of it - as a cause makes no sense to me. Neither culture nor people (other than perhaps his parents) bear responsability for what happened
>>7720513
>I sincerely don't know why one would find it fascinating
Isn't it obvious?
Because half of the people here have gone through high school watching the girl they had a crush on get fucked by someone else. They can relate to at least SOME of what he's saying.
You don't end up here if you weren't the odd one out.
>>7720521
Talking from experience are we?
>>7720513
>. Neither culture nor people (other than perhaps his parents) bear responsability for what happened
think of it in terms of privilege
due to his mental conditions he was underprivileged
that decadent little California college town where he ran amuck was exactly as he depicted it - heaven on earth for the attractive and socially adjusted and hell on earth for the unattractive and socially maladjusted
he was never going to be adjusted and attractive
there was no hope
there was nothing to live for
why shouldn't he hate the normies?
they were privileged and he was underprivileged
>>7720081
He saved his baby brother from drowning.
Nice theory though. We all see a bit of ourselves, and crime lit is nearly as popular as porn.
>>7720107
idk. But I want to read an older book, The Culture of Narcissism, Christopher Lasch.
>>7720195
>The part where he talks about his incredulity at not winning the lottery was so spot on.
People say he was crazy entitled, I don't think so, he was well aware that he dreamed too much, but working proved as useless.
>>7720265
>It's a masterpiece and a milestones in history of literature.
I wouldn't go that far. It's new sincerity. It's honesty, which makes the best journalism. It's ham on rye. It's Art Brut (there's actually already a whole genre of works made in the madhouse by crazy people. It fascinates us, like In Cold Blood).
>>7720525
Yes?
I didn't let it define me and it was largely my own fault, but I remember how it was.
>>7720511
Those are shit examples. The writer from your list were troubled, but not insane. Kleist, Hölderlin, Artaud, Walser were the literally crazy.
>>7720013
I like it.
The best? Not by a long shot. But it's easy to read, it's honest and it's personal. It's certainly better than most schlock that becomes popular.
>>7720521
So? It happens to many, in many ways
I don't think that not getting your crush means you're a Elliot Rodger
Maybe something culture DOES bear responsability for is trying to establish a dichotomy between "losers" and "winners", and the pressure on social interactions that comes with it, and having people writing on the internet about "losing his crush in highschool" like it's something worth giving a fuck about. But again, that does not breed killers
>What kind of control freak proofreads his own 300 pages suicide note?
autists
and it was under 150 pages
>>7720410
>How does he remember all these things in his childhood?
He never mentioned some things, which were later discovered to have happened in his life, such as the childhood trips to Brighton, pic related
>>7720567
>But again, that does not breed killers
it breeds quite a few of them
most reeeeeee killers in fact
>>7720017
Puritan detected.
>>7720528
>It's new sincerity. It's honesty, which makes the best journalism. It's ham on rye. It's Art Brut (there's actually already a whole genre of works made in the madhouse by crazy people. It fascinates us, like In Cold Blood).
Yeah, it's honest. It's journalism. But it is also comedy. You got
a) Elliot's story. His perspective. My Twisted World read by him. Cringy as fuck. Mediocre melodrama.
b) Aspetic reading of Elliot's story (manifesto, life and death). Journalism. In Cold Blood. Fascinating and disturbingly true.
c) Ironic reading of Elliot's story (manifesto, life and death). It's a fucking satire. Memes. A character written for a cruel parody, with ridiculous manners (narcissism, obsession with fashion, supervillain babble, race inferiority complex and funny racism) combined with ironical conditions (wealthy family from entertainment industry, race inferiority complex and funny racism). A tragicomical ending.
With this last reading, the work doesn't break into reality by breaking the fourth wall. The whole work of art takes place directly in reality, and its main character doesn't even know he protagonizes a comedy.
>>7720589
>Puritan detected.
more of a practical consideration than a moral one on my part
the agony of the lepers of a hedonistic society
if all the society offers is pleasure to the favored ones and offers nothing to the unfavored ones
nothing but envy and hopelessness
how long before the lepers turn on the favored ones?
what can you offer them to restrain their darker impulses?
>>7720629
he was -rich- and you're trying to portray him as this Notes From Underground type.
He could have paid a whore any time he wanted.
>>7720410
He had plenty of pictures to help him remember things.
>>7720013
For me, the masterpiece is a combination of his rage and intelligence, in the way he managed to get through to us. He wanted to be understood, wanted to be famous. He's a killer of the YouTube generation. I guess there are many cold killers who are intelligent and leave long suicide notes. But police and close family are usually the first to find these notes. The family hides the note like they killed the guy (a second murder, "we didn't want you to leave then, we don't want you to speak now"). The police, representing society as a whole, does the same. Elliot found a way to let his suicide note reach us.
If he hadn't killed 6 people, nobody would have read it.
It's a materpiece as a happening, performance art.
Another thing that fascinated me is when he says, "I can't believe the Day of Retribution is becoming real."
Really fascinating as far as True Crime and Criminology are concerned (also my own future).
There's really a Crime and Punishment flavour to it, when Raskolnikov turns from fantasies of stealing money to trying it for real.
This may be the most shocking part of the book, when it shows, precisely, that there are no mad people, and madness doesn't exist. Here is a perfectly rational person that one can totally identify with. But after 10 years, he's had too much and becomes a killer. Madness never came, never saved him.
Sure, in his last YouTube video, he looks a bit off and frantic, like a movie supervillain. But what some call "madness" is just someone who decided to stop playing the game like everyone. Truth is, what he says is perfectly rational. Vengeance is rational.
Maybe the real madness is to surrender and become another victim, fapping to porn on antidepressants.
Often, I'm confronted with this dilemma : do I keep holding on to faith, do I keep submitting to the daily humiliation of the outcast desperately trying to fit in, in the hope I will be accepted eventually, maybe as a reward for my humility. Or do I just raise my head eventually and start getting back at the lucky people who slighted me absolutely without any consequence for them?
The question involves ethics, game theory, probability, economics, and metaphysics.
Pascal's wager became famous, probably because it's the politically correct wager. Truth is, Elliot Rodger's wager makes sense too. The priviledged know all too well what they're doing to us. That's why a tiny crime (6 people) makes them use the word "terror", because they know we're millions.
They're not afraid of madness. They're afraid of vengeance.
>>7720676
Rare Elliots on /lit/
Today was a good day
>>7720689
some guy dropped a whole set in the course of two threads a few weeks ago on /r9k/
>>7720666
>he was -rich-
its all relative
he wasn't all that exceptional for that town
not enough to help him
>He could have paid a whore any time he wanted.
he couldnt buy love and affirmation
just sex
he didnt want a whore
he didn't even like that his parents were paying for a therapist to hang out with him to try to get him to relate to girls better
he knew money tainted it
I wish he wrote more about his sister
>>7720687
>never saw this, really cute.
AS>>7720694 said there were loads of childhood photos posted on r9k a few weeks back.
This is hungry Elliot in his pantry
>>7720679
>Truth is, what he says is perfectly rational. Vengeance is rational.
No, it doesn't get you anything.
It's like being horny, only able to fuck someone with HIV and just doing it. "It's rational."
>>7720732
I see your point. Since my family disowned me, I've been living years of torture. If I killed them, they would only suffer for 2 minutes. Not everyone can be Hitler and turn normies into monsters reduced to eating each other for food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IbG-dlyJi4
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>>7720107
Simulacra and Simulation. I've heard it as described as unnecessarily dense, but give it a try and see for yourself.
>>7720024
>I read it for the plot
Pleb
>>7720725
Maybe his family organized leaks of Elliot pictured smiling, to exonerate themselves.
My opinion is that Soumaya Akaaboune (spelling?) (credited on imdb only as "feminist number one" in Lovelace, biopic of a pornstar portrayed as a victim of men) is a feminazi and has blood on her hands.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0015033/
>>7720704
another weird thing about him, paying for a whore was wrong but impressing a girl and getting her to love you for your car or designer shirt was perfectly normal
>>7720732
Does the rightmost grill have a buttplug?
>>7720424
Think about Bundy and Tsarnaev. Rodgers might have gotten some female attention.
>>7720795
=> /lit/, Ladies and Gents.
>>7720016
For a normally functioning person, shutting out or filtering all the noise about someone only being as good as their net worth and pile of shit they own is tough.
But for someone that looked like he actually was very autistic or with Aspbergers, it's probably impossible.
It makes a good statement that all the focus on "stuff" takes attention away from people. Only being as good as your last purchase is a short-view way to see the value of a person.
I hate to say this, but the poor guy was screwed. He might've been OK if he was less exposed to materialism hype, but he was surrounded by it and didn't seem to have anyone to help him filter it out.
He was still a chump for what he did, though.
>>7720501
Dostoyevsky
Inevitably, I started to become known to the girls of my school; and surprisingly, they treated me quite well. It was a huge relief. Middle School would be the last time in my life where I wouldn’t be completely invisible to girls. All of the pretty girls had a peculiar habit of hugging boys they knew as a form of greeting, and some of them hugged me. I didn’t understand why, but it felt like the best feeling ever. I was one hundred-times more satisfied from getting a hug from a pretty girl than getting a high five from a popular boy. It was a new experience that enraptured every fiber of my being.
[1st school dance]
When I got there, Robert Morgan [popular guy] saw me and asked me if I wanted to hang out with his group. I was grateful for this, and I ended up having a nice time. I was shocked that some 7th and 8th grade girls offered to dance with me. They came up to me in a group and taught me how to “slow dance”. I had to place my hands on their hips, while they placed their hands on my shoulders, and we would move slowly with the music. They were all taller than me, and I was terrified, but it felt so… good. That would be the only time in my life where I would have a satisfying experience with girls. The only time.
When I stayed back after school one day, my mother saw me with Connor when she came to pick me up. She has been concerned about me not making any new friends at Pinecrest, and I suppose she was relieved to see me with a “friend”. She invited Connor to come over to my house, which he accepted. I was a bit hesitant to invite anyone from Pinecrest to my mother’s house, because it was located in Canoga Park, a bad area, and most of the kids at Pinecrest were upper-middle class who would look down on me for living there. But I couldn’t back out of this once my mother invited Connor. He came over and all went well, we played a few video games for a couple of hours. But after that playdate, he would always rip on me for living in a “poor” house. He would also tell other kids at Pinecrest about it. This infuriated me to no end, and I would keep proclaiming that my father lives in a prestigious three-story house in the Woodland Hills Heights. I became vehemently obsessed with proving to Connor and everyone else that I wasn’t poor. I went so far as to bring pictures of my father’s house to school. I even considered inviting some people over to father’s house, but I remembered my vow of never doing that due to the possibility that another incident would happen with Soumaya, like the one that occurred years ago.
>>7720813
Seventh Grade flew by very fast. My school life was a continuation of Sixth Grade. I mingled with acquaintances here and there and behaved nicely with everyone. The difference is that I was having so much fun outside of school with my friends at Planet Cyber that I didn’t really care about getting popular at school or getting attention from girls. I was enjoying my very last year of childhood
(13) As middle school approached its ultimate end, I was having a miserable time there. I was extremely unpopular, widely disliked, and viewed as the weirdest kid in the school. I had to act weird in order to gain attention. I was tired of being the invisible shy kid. Infamy is better than total obscurity.
The teasing I received was bittersweet. It felt horrible to be teased and bullied… it caused me a lot of pain and anger… but at the same time I got a kick out of getting so much attention. It felt good to be confident enough to pick fights with the popular skateboarder kids. It was either that, or continue to be ignored by everyone like I was in Sixth and Seventh Grade. I never knew how to gain positive attention, only negative.
My experience during Middle School really darkened my view of the world, and it would only get darker from then on, as I suffered more and more. The way I was treated by girls at this time, especially by that evil bitch Monette Moio, sparked an intense fear of girls. The funny part of this is that I had a secret crush on Monette. She was the first girl I ever had a crush on, and I never admitted it to anyone. To be teased and ridiculed by the girl I had a crush on wounded me deeply.
>>7720817
(15 y/o) The party was a pool party, and my brother Jazz had full exposure to the swimming pool. He had already learned how to walk, but he couldn’t swim. At one instance as I was eating lunch, I saw Jazz quickly run off from the adults, completely unattended. I then watched as he curiously examined the water, and then descended into steps of the shallow end of the pool. Before long, he lost his footing on the steps and his whole body sank into the water. Nobody noticed. He was going to drown, I thought with panic. I ran as fast as I could, plunging into the water with my clothes still on, and pulled him out. I asked him how he was doing, and he coughed up some water and told me he felt fine. The only person who saw this happen was a little girl who was swimming in the shallow end. I saved his life, and my brother remembers it to this very day. Every single second of my brother’s life, everything that happens to him in the future, will exist because I pulled him out of the water that day.
It was at this time that I was just beginning to realize, with a lot of clarity, how truly unfair my life is. I compared myself to other teenagers and became very angry that they were able to experience all of the things I’ve desired, while I was left out of it. I never had the experience of going to a party with other teenagers, I never had my first kiss, I never held hands with a girl, I never lost my virginity. In the past, I felt so inferior and weak from all of the bullying that I just accepted my lonely life and dealt with it by playing WoW, but at this point I started to question why I was condemned to suffer such misery.
Life is not fair. One can either accept that fact, keeling over in defeat; or one can harness the strength to fight against it. My destiny was to fight against the unfairness of the world.
>>7720437
I kinda want this.
Where do i find fags like you?
Biopic when?
Pretty good video about the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQAJSGQZrMo
>>7720790
In the second case she might like you for something else than money.
Wearing a nice clean shirt is not the same thing as being reduced to fucking prostitutes for intimacy.
</r9k>
>>7720869
Thanks but this is a bit long. I watched 5 minutes, will watch the rest later.
"I was Elliot Rodger" is an appealing title.
I myself was Ted Bundy.
>>7720718
>You will never stand outside Georgia's bedroom door listening to her Mexican boyfriend pork her
>>7720732
Imagine being one of these girls' fathers and seeing this photo.
Christ, I never want to have kids.
>>7720857
Why do people's shoes always fall off when they die? Like in literally every crime scene there is a shoe.
>>7720911
Good question.
I guess they take huge negative acceleration in car crashes.
Also, I read a theory based on this picture, that Elliot can't have shot himself in his car. Because the car isn't completely spattered with blood and brain parts.
>>7720922
>Also, I read a theory based on this picture, that Elliot can't have shot himself in his car. Because the car isn't completely spattered with blood and brain parts.
so Elliot lives to reeeee another day?
>>7720869
What's good about it?
It's just a guy saying what everyone already knows.
>>7720934
not entirely impossible
>>7720941
But the comments...
>This is going to sound like a bit of an odd comparison, but the opening monologue from William Shakespeare's Richard III sounds very similar to Elliot Rodger's retribution video if you listen closely. Both of them talk about their "disdainful treatment" at the hands of society, and both of them desire revenge because they feel cheated out of love.
Elliot Rodger talks like pure Autism. He sounds like a literal robot.
>>7720013
We've already had this thread, fuck off.
>>7720013
>Personally I think it is the best piece of literature ever written.
Who owns the rights?
>>7720410
Do you really think he didn't make up a lot of it? Like when he allegedly pours his juice on girls, when it's obvious he would never have the balls to do that. It's a fantasy he came up with while drinking his orange juice in his expensive car.
>be super mentally ill
>see this thread
Do you guys really find the worldviews of the insane interesting?
>>7720956
>We've already had this thread
/lit/ is the same 60 threads repeated on a repeating basis
>pynchon thred
>john green thred
>greeks thred
>sjws
>dfw
>bloom
>stiner
>mishima better than murakami
lather rinse repeat
>>7720986
The grass is always greener faggot
>>7720950
More like what a robot would think an emotional and grandiose writing would be.
It shows he tried hard
>>7720081
Sorry, but I doubt that he was autistic to an extreme degree on the spectrum...maybe somewhat further than your average person.
It seems like nowadays if you have the slightest bit of social difficulties/atypical social development, you're thought to have a bit of autism in you. The root cause actually lies in a lack of quality social success and that coupled with antisocial (not asocial) thoughts and a very rigid idea of what social success ought to be leads to a character like Rodgers.
>>7720986
Having a viewpoint on reality you cna't possibly relate to is always interesting.
But are you actually insane, or just borderline depressive and on the spectrum like most people here?
>>7721004
>The root cause actually lies in a lack of quality social success and that coupled with antisocial (not asocial) thoughts and a very rigid idea of what social success ought to be leads to a character like Rodgers.
or maybe he's just autistic
>>7720998
No, I'm a very outwardly normal person who suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. It's really hard for me to see things the way they really are. I have no idea what things and people I really want. The result is that I appear to most people as simply a little careless. I hide myself from everyone. I'm writing a novel right now based on my romantic history. I'm focusing mainly on my own sensation of being. Dialogue is minimized in favor of highlighting the peculiarity and absurdity of self. It's almost entirely observational but viewed through the lens of my own poor grasp on reality.
>>7720986
one time, I was ill with flu and I had hallucinations, a mix between nightmares and mental images, fortunately they stopped and I regained my senses as I was stepping out of my room.
But it was a very interesting experience nonetheless.
Is easier to think outside of the box if you get your head out of it.
>>7721018
In a way he's like those overprotected, sheltered Christian kids who bloom very late compared to their peers.
Except he exposed himself to the redpill and that became his faith. At least with Christian ideals those conservative kids could still navigate the social sphere despite blooming late.
can somebody make a printed version of this book? would buy.
>>7721023
I had hallucinations as a secondary effect of a medication, it was a rather odd experience.
Kind of fascinating, but really stressful and oppressive. Must be hard to actually live with that
>>7720986
No. I tried to read "Moi, Pierre Rivière, Parricide...", by himself and Michel Foucault, it's almost unreadable. Elliot on the contrary was not crazy.
>>7721041
I could not ever imagine a life under such state, for I can't imagine even an habit, it makes me despise the mind in the moment of the nightmares, usually they are scary for their content so macabre and grotesque but it can also scare you without reason, "just cause", all the struggle that led the human being up to this point annihilated in the span of a night.
Katherine and Veronika, RIP
>>7721082
>Veronika Weiss was shot seven times in the chest and lower pelvic area.
>>7721082
who?
>>7721094
The two female victims.
>>7721028
read his manifesto
he's borderline retarded
>>7721099
He's the embodiment of 4chan's "alpha" ideology.
>>7721097
lol i guess male victims are so disposable they don't rate a mention
of course none of them will be remembered as long as the Supreme Gentleman (tm)
>>7721132
Don't kill qts!
>>7720809
>For a normally functioning person, shutting out or filtering all the noise about someone only being as good as their net worth and pile of shit they own is tough.
Christianity helps
>But for someone that looked like he actually was very autistic or with Aspbergers, it's probably impossible.
>I hate to say this, but the poor guy was screwed.
fatalism doesn't help
He looks like the human hybrid of wojak and pepe
>>7721149
Go shoot a cow, alpha boy.
>>7721132
>Autists who think if they emulate asshole behavior, they'll get pussy.
Elliot couldn't emulate asshole behavior
he couldn't emulate normal behavior either
he was autistic
he could splash people with orange juice or shoot them
>>7720424
>>7720437
Not really, thwre are faggots who go virgin till 30. Gay people put a lot of focus on physical appareance and the search for physical perfection. At 21 youre already an antique and the most minimal defect could destroy your self-steem in an horrific way.
As a gay 21yo myself i think it could be actually worse. He just wanted to bang supermodels, he could have easily go to a tumblr whale and whitout saying a word just fuck that bitch.
>>7720013
I loved his book, because it's about my life.
Now, is it literary? idk
But then again, what is literature?
>>7721169
>Go shoot a cow, alpha boy.
what is all this hysteria over?
calm down
think soothing thoughts
have some yogurt and cashews
maybe a hot water bottle against the back of your neck
I think it's pretty interesting.
I was as lonely as him for most of my life and very jealous of other people but have never had violent thoughts toward them or blamed them. I don't know what causes that.
>>7721180
Peace, senpai.
Compared to E. Rodger, rapists are wise men.
>>7721156
>security blanket
to wishy-washy protestants, maybe.
>>7720107
>21st century
American Psycho would still be considered 20th but honestly, a lot of it applies to today. Not really much Hollywood culture, but still, the whole book satirizes materialism and consumerism.
>>7720013
Why wasn't that edited and published? Was it?
>>7721279
>Why wasn't that edited and published?
Because it's the truth.
>>7721279
I assume that the family owns the rights to it (if anyone) and aren't in any rush to capitalize over their black sheep. Especially because they're relatively affluent.
>>7721315
But movie when? George Lucas, his mom's ex, could direct it.
He was too sensitive for this world.
Bright side, he had a keen eye.
>>7721111
RIP Christopher Ross Michaels-Martinez
He was hot
>>7721312
published free online for anybody who wants to download it
>>7721348
A movie about some kid jacking off, playing WoW and crying? Would pirate it.
>>7721237
>Lucy Van Pelt addressing Linus Van Pelt on the subject of Linus Van Pelt, Charlie Brown, or for that matter anyone to whom religion is a blue pill, such as the (Catholic) Samuel Johnson. There are other pills besides red and blue, if I'm to put the terms in Internet Boy, so I'm thinking of an orange one, which Lady Macbeth dispenses to her husband, by arguing that it's the least nice guy who finishes first. He finishes first alright, in being quite finished from the start, his imagination being bleak as it is. Temperament, I think, has more to do with it than sect.
>>7720042
He only shot them ironically
>>7721410
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0953318/
>>7720308
I used to think that Ellis's portrait is pure fabrication, a monster of pure invention that he set up to bonfire vanity's American mode. This comparison re-affirms that there is more to it than that, whether Ellis did it by research or by conversation with functioning psychopaths he knew, almost against his own intentions. Elliot Rodger does represent a very American type of psycho, no doubt. Like clockwork they pop like evil cuckoos from the machinery of our civilization, with a gun blazing in one hand and a manifesto fluttering in the other. My hope is that someday, some genius beyond Ellis, Salinger, and so-forth, comes along to squarely nail the type, just to do it.
>>7721381
A boss at RapGenius was fired though, for publishing it with praise and funny comments.
>>7721488
Les Inrockuptibles Magazine never lie!
Ben X http://www.lesinrocks.com/cinema/films-a-l-affiche/ben-x/
>Suffering from a form of autism, bullied at school, Ben takes refuge in video games, especially a World of Warcraft like. The director tries somehow to give an original form to his subject (teenage angst), in a not very convincing mix of TV report, and rehash of video game codes. The school trip becomes a level to finish and bullies, bosses to kill. Prissy, visually challenging, the transplant does not take at all. Then comes the last absurd third of the film : according to the idea that to be "normal" Ben has to be more devious, cunning, like the rest of humanity, the script branches to a Brian De Palma trick, with false death and rigged pictures. The accusatory side of the film, cut as a reportage from "Ça se discute" (~Jerry Springer) with happy slapping and cyber-addiction, takes embarrassing proportions. Where the film tries in vain to mix virtual death (like in a video game) and Christic resurrection.
>>7721667
forgot their title : "Autism, video-games and resurrection : a failed and embarrassing trinity."
>>7720113
Post-irony: the post
The proportion of non-disparaging replies in this thread is sickening. It's pretty clear most of you don't read.
>>7721279
I tried to do it but Amazon wouldn't let me due to "copyright issues".
>>7721749
Take it to Court.
>>7721763
I'd lose. Mostly because I don't have the money to afford any sort of even competent attorney and trying to get some autistic spree shooter's manifesto published so I could profit off it isn't exactly a "noble" cause.
>>7721774
let's start a crowdfunding campaign!
>>7720013
I would love to see Peter Sotos' perspective on Elliot Rodger.
>>7721678
>http://www.lesinrocks.com/cinema/films-a-l-affiche/ben-x/
It's a stupid movie, but it's kind of unintentionally hilarious. The movie actually thinks it's deep.
It's like "The Room" but made by /v/ and /r9k/.
>>7721924
I've already downloaded it t.bh
>>7720570
>leaving a suicide note under 1000 a4 pages
*cough* heisman *cough*
>>7720013
the style isn't bad, content is complete cringe, more like beyond stupidity
>>7722032
Have you read it? I have the file on my Kindle, but have yet to read it.
>>7722047
200 pages in, it is unironically good so far
>>7722090
"On the following Saturday, James usually came over for a sleepover. We would play Nintendo 64 games like Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater and Donkey Kong late into the night, and then on Sunday morning mother would take us both to Skatelab, an indoor skatepark in Simi Valley. James had become really
interested in skateboarding too, or so I believed. I was always better at it than him though, and I liked it that way."
If that's unironically good, you have bad taste son.
>>7722032
almost 2000 pages, no way i have time for that
>>7722113
He was talking about Mitchell Heisman, not Mister Supreme.
>>7722113
Never mind, I'm an idiot.
Thought you were talking about Elliot.
>>7720556
>How come there are no (or barely any) spelling mistakes in the book?
There are some at least, for example on page 104 it says "Megemillions" instead of 'Megamillions'
>>7720501
Gogol was probably bipolar.
>>7720676
We can't be sure about that. (He says in the introduction that he only uses his memory as a source. However, we don't know if he's honest there.
By the way, those pictures were recovered from a gallery which was created on his father's website about 1.5 years after the killings. Still, he may or may not have had them before they were uploaded.)
>I will torture some of the good looking people before I kill them, assuming that the good looking ones had the best sex lives. All of that pleasure they had in life, I will punish by bringing them pain and suffering. I have lived a life of pain and suffering, and it was time to bring that pain to people who actually deserve it. I will cut them, flay them, strip all the skin off their flesh, and pour boiling water all over them while they are still alive, as well as any other form of torture I could possibly think of. When they are dead, I will behead them and keep their heads in a bag, for their heads will play a major role in the final phase.
Holy fucking shit.
>>7721035
Petition Tyrant Books, they're edgy enough to do it.
>>7722275
It's frustrating that the book finishes several days before Day of Retribution.
No way to know if he did all the crazy shit he imagined. (wikipedia mentions a detailed police report, probably doesn't go further than counting the stab wounds on the corpses)
btw, when I read it, I felt I had a friend.
>>7722308
Also, quick gg search, found this girl's bare ass on the interwebz.
Imagine a world where Eliot hadn't pussied out
>>7720869
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQAJSGQZrMo
> "i too. . have gone, a very long time without having female affection. or. . . i have gone a long time without trying to date girls-"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>7722275
he sounds like a real jerk
>told his mother to whore herself out so he could have money
>still loved him and tried to help him
She deserved better
>>7720016
Instead of trying to better himself, he decided to kill people. The world is better without him and if you disagree you are /r9k/ swine.
>>7720171
<Late capitalism
wew lad
>>7720458
Really? I felt like he was the one wanting to fuck his sister.
>>7720308
Wait, is it not normal to fantasize like that?
Or are you referring to the abrupt shift from sexuality to mountain dew?
>>7720380
I always found the Bell Jar to be pretty interesting, even if it's an entirely different sort of mental illness.
Keith Hunter Jesperson has a really great book about his life, which I'm pretty sure he wrote.
>>7720013
Are you kidding me? Most of it is terribly written, and comprised nearly entirely of fantasies by a delusional narcissist.
It's useful for the insight into his mind and what was bothering him, but it's not some insightful exploration of society in the slightest, he's just a guy who developed pretty textbook NPD as a defence mechanism for whatever, and blames everything but himself.
And yes, there have been some insightful mentally ill people, but that doesn't mean that we should assume that the writings of a mentally ill person are insightful in any way. Normally they're not worth shit, and this is one of those books.
>>7721022
Borderline Personality Disorder is hardly insane, all it means is that you've got next to no control over your emotions, and low self esteem.
I dated a chick with BPD (I have Schizophrenia), and it really just doesn't compare, they're irrational and tend to flip between how they view people, or how they think people view them, or make stupid decisions based on impulses.
Compare that to psychosis, and it's really quite tame. By all means though, write your novel, just please try to be honest about what it actually is, and focus more on your side of it, so it doesn't just feel like the journal of a less extreme bipolar person.
>>7723947
Can a person be NPD er whatever and blame everything on themselves instead? SWIM wants to know.. for research, and stuff~
>be a huge autist
>have autistic thoughts about how much better you are about everyone
>never have self-awareness ever
>go into a sperg-rage shootout
The most supreme gentleman.
>>7724203
No, that's contrary to the entire point of NPD. An individual with NPD will blame failures on external factors, instead of themselves. They may at points struggle with the reality of the situation, but they're essentially incapable of admitting this to anyone, and the assumption is that they can't do themselves either.
That being said, NPD as a disorder is generally based off an incredibly low self esteem protected a false sense of superiority. It's how they're able to make such huge leaps of logic in order to escape blame. It's not that they even think it makes sense, it's that to them, it's not possible for there to be any alternative, if they accepted fault even once, their entire facade of extreme confidence would shatter. Elliot displayed this behaviour to a tee, not once did he go "Gee, they were cunts to me, but I probably deserved that, I was a dick about whatever". It's always an external figures fault, or societies fault, or the girls are too dumb or whatever you may choose, while he remains absolutely perfect, without fault, in his words, a "supreme gentleman".
Someone who blames themselves for any failures they have, no matter the reality, is much more likely to be depressed, or if in combination with other symptoms, have any number of other personality disorders.
The fact that it is non-fiction made it a whole lot better.
>inb4 hate
you know I'm right.
/thread
>>7720013
You might as well read Sonichu. It will give you the same look at a self centered guy with autism. It's really not that interesting or different other than the author being a murderer.
Oh wow! People in Hollywood are shallow? Elliot can't get girls even though he has a BMW but acts super creepy? Such genre-bending experience!
>>7720373
I don't dismiss writing because the author was mentally ill.
In this case: Eliot is a shit writer who is also mentally ill. It feels like I'm reading a high school essay. If I wanted to read the misogynistic ramblings of a teenager, then I'd just go on /r9k/ or /b/ or any other 4chan board.
I think mentally ill is an understatement. Rather criminally insane.
On February 18, 2015, autopsy reports for all six slain victims were released by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office as part of a 64-page final investigative summary report:[9][10]
Weihan Wang suffered a total of fifteen stab wounds and 23 incision wounds to the head, neck, chest, back, and both arms and hands.
Cheng Hong suffered a total of 25 stab wounds and twelve incision wounds to the head, neck, chest, back, and both arms and hands.
George Chen suffered a total of __94__ stab wounds and eleven incision wounds directed to the head, neck, chest, back, and both arms and hands.
Katherine Cooper was shot eight times, including once in the left side of the head.
Veronika Weiss was shot seven times in the chest and lower pelvic area.
Christopher Michaels-Martinez was shot once in the chest.
>>7724392
>then I'd just go on /r9k/
You have no understanding of modern 4chan if you think /r9k/ is a place for misogynistic teenagers.
/r9k/ is a cross between /a/, /lgbt/ and tumblr.
>>7724415
Have you actually ever been to /r9k/? Pretty much everyone there is clearly under 18 (not everyone, there are some older posters), which is obvious in their posts, they have next to no life experience, and every single story is based in school situations.
There's also regularly threads dedicated to hating women and men who are successful with them. There's a significant misogynistic theme there, and it's obvious after being there even once.
There's an overlap between /a/ and that board, but /lgbt/ just gets run out by the /pol/ posters, and there's next to nothing tumblr about the place.
>>7724413
>writes about how obsessed he is with women
>shoots women, stabs men, kills more men than women, spends a lot more time stabbing men, *the* phallic action
confirmed repressed homosexual
>>7724464
I was a regular until november 2015, now the place is unfortunately overrun by women, and a sizeable number of traps
>>7720679
thank you
>>7720410
Remember, Elliot lies.
>>7720013
From P.84
>And then this black boy named Chance said that he lost his virginity when he was only thirteen! In addition, he said that the girl he lost his virginity to was a blonde white girl! I was so enraged that I almost splashed him with my orange juice. I indignantly told him that I did not believe him, and then I went to my room to cry. I cried and cried and cried, and then I called my mother and cried to her on the phone.
How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.
>>7720410
>It is possible I already had some presentiment of my future...
>>7724415
Sometimes It's easy to forget your on /lit/, which considers anything right of Marx fascist.
>>7720107
Baudrillard
Society of the spectacle
Some of zizek's stuff
Theory of the young girl
>>7720501
Melville was compulsive autist
>>7724791
Not anymore
We got the Borg treatment from /pol/.
>>7725768
>Not anymore
/lit/ was originally traditionalists, anglophiles and liberals. The whole "Marxist/Far-Left /lit/" is relatively new.
>>7720597
option C is literally American Psycho
>>7720679
Killing people because you can't get laid is not rational.
>>7720732
>dat hoverfoot
>>7721183
Autism
Why didn't he rape any of the girls he killed, or at least do that beforehand?
he could have truly been the hero we needed but he died without ever touching a tit
smdh
>>7725818
He wanted affection, not mere sex.
>>7724413
>Weihan Wang
>Cheng Hong
>George Chen
.... What is with all of the ugly guys? Have you all seen their pictures??
Christopher is the only sort of typically cute guy involved. I'm so confused...
>>7720013
In the name of science...
Who holds the copyright?
Funny as shit book. The best part is that he planned to fuck up a sorority house, but it was locked so he left when nobody answered his knocks. He'd already killed four people and was ready to die, but he was still too beta to make a move on some girls.
>>7725818
we always had a healthy mix and a fair bit of disdain for liberals as far as i can remember but political leaning used to come up far less frequently outside of political philosophy threads before we had to argue with /pol/ retards
the idiots actually managed to make this board more marxist just by the necessity of blowing their gultural marsism the fuck out
>>7720265
>niggas
>unironical
>hella
Is lit the most embarrassing board?
>>7720910
I'd be jealous of all of them. Some old men know that dumb kids can have fun in stupid and awesome ways. Not all are like you.
It's a fascinating little work that provides an interesting perspective. I hope it goes on to influence literature in the future.
>>7727300
Yeah, but your little girl would be getting the train ran on her by Chad over there who will probably end up getting her pregnant and leaving her and the baby for you to take care of.
>>7727323
Not that guy, but you're kind of super-projecting from a single photograph don't you
>"Chad"
Oh, I see. Continue.
>>7727323
can you just be a normal person
i get that society has failed you niggers but you're only aware of the difference between your failure and my success because of the internet
maybe actually change the economic conditions locking you into this failure loop by forcing you to be a subservient faggot rather than uselessly complaining about "whores" and "chads"
>>7720013
It's actually fucking great, if if was fiction whoever wrote it would have been lauded as a genius
>>7720013
>I never understood the game and I could never keep up with the
other boys in the field, so I always stood by the goal-keeper and pretended to be the “second goalkeeper”
Holy shit this is almost some green text levels of autism. He was so incredibly shit he wasn't made goalkeeper and so incredibly beta he never asked to just be goalkeeper.
>>7727454
This irony right?
I can't tell. Seriously.
>>7727528
You mean: "This is sarcasm, right?"
And I don't think it is.
there are so many good parts to that story, honestly it feels like it would be something a great writer would write to try to capture the ennui of that milieu, but the crazy part is it's actually real! sure, werther was based on a true story, but this is shit is not just a true story, it's a fucking autobiography.
>>7720471
>To end my life, I will quickly swallow all of the Xanax and Vicodin pills I have left, along with an ample
amount of hard liquor. Immediately after imbibing this mixture, I will shoot myself in the head with two
of my handguns simultaneously. If the gunshots don’t kill me, the deadly drug mixture eventually will. I
will not suffer being captured and sent to prison.
This is probably the best suicide plan that I've read.
>>7727454
exactly! if some "award winning" dickhead published it ppl would say it's the greatest shit of our generation, there are so many amazing parts in it, not to mention the overall theme
>>7727454
If it was fiction, /lit/ would deride it for being too unrealistic and Bloom would write an article about how he bought a copy at the Yale bookstore and couldn't stand how the same phrases were reused.
>>7727571
you have no taste, fuck off memefag
>>7727454
No it's good because it's real. If it was fiction it wouldn't be nearly as laughable.
>>7724668
There's a lot of women, but plenty of those posts are just people baiting by pretending to be girls. And traps are on literally every board, including /pol/.
>>7724668
Also, many of the people there are Non-Whites. They're Elliot Rodgers in the making. They always talk about how much they hate women and Whites.
>>7722293
They're only edgy in a trendwhorish way. It's one thing to publish Marie Calloway talking about how many dicks she's sucked, but Le Supreme Gentlemen isn't the kind of edge they'd want to touch.
>>7727571
you think so?
>>7720093
That makes it doubly bad literature tho
>>7720380
obviously Industrial Society and its Future
>>7721576
>elliot rodger
>psychopath
Can this meme die? Psychopaths are extremely resourceful and socially manipulative people. And in all honesty we should envy the equanimity of the psychopathic mind. Elliot was probably just bipolar
