I'm thinking about going back to living as a man. Any tips? If I can't make this work I'm probably going to kill myself.
I have no idea where to even start. I am full time and have already changed my name and gender. I'm out to all of my friends and family.
>>6288141
Exactly the same as when you went from MtF just expect to be taken less seriously about big announcements in future.
>>6288155
Thanks for this vague and unhelpful post.
>>6288141
>Detransitioning
nice meme there
>>6288163
That's the realest advice you're gonna get, but obviously you have a thing for attention.
>>6288141
>Any tips? If I can't make this work I'm probably going to kill myself.
My first tip would be to cut it out with the suicidal bullshit, if you have friends and family then you know that isn't an option unless you are completely and unapologetically selfish.
My second tip would be simply this: honesty. Tell your family and friends you are confused about exactly who and what you are, since obviously that's true. Those who matter won't mind, those who mind won't matter. Good luck.
>>6288181
I'm not confused. I know I'm trans and I want to be a girl. I just can't do this anymore.
>>6288191
m8 going back won't be simpler. If you were confused I'd say go for it but if you know this is what you want then reverting is a really bad idea.
>>6288191
If you know you're trans then you can't go back to living as a man, that would be dishonest. If you're struggling to cope with life as a transwoman then I am afraid I might not be able to give you any real advice, since I am a cis man. All I can say is that I believe people going through hard times are often capable of much more then they give themselves credit for. Do your best, keep a stiff upper lip, you might be surprised.
>>6288141
Keep going, get all the surgeries and treatments, leave behind your old life, friends and family, become completely stealth so no one has any idea about your past.
Then come out as FtM.
>>6288230
brilliant
10/10
>>6288191
Try to find better support. Any support groups in your area? Better therapist?
>>6288141
go talk to a counselor or therapist if you have no clue where to start
>>6288181
>My first tip would be to cut it out with the suicidal bullshit, if you have friends and family then you know that isn't an option unless you are completely and unapologetically selfish.
holy shit kill yourself you worthless piece of shit
Kill yoself ?
>>6288141
As someone who's considering transitioning, please tell me your story so i can learn from you, and about you :)
>>6288230
Honestly, that does kind of work. I'm stealth MtF and I pretend to not know much at all about MtF transitions but then when people talk about FtM transitions I actually contribute to the conversation and discuss what I've learned or looked up so that it can act as a red herring.
>>6288141
If you're having this doubt now, you shouldn't have transitioned at all. Had you been legitimately in need of transition you would rather die than go back to living as a man, even if you were living as an ugly hon.
Somewhat unrelated, the fact that you have already changed your legal identifiers just shows how ridiculous our society has become in pandering to "trans" people.
>>6290534
It must be hard typing out all of those words when you are literally retarded
>>6290545
>he fell for the ad hominem meme
Props for trying, but yeah, my point still stands. Most of you are failed males that are just looking for an alternative, and had we lived in a sane society this wouldn't have even crossed your minds. Whoever OP is deserves to know the truth.
>>6290534
>Had you been legitimately in need of transition you would rather die than go back to living as a man, even if you were living as an ugly hon
noice meme lad
>>6290594
>noice meme
You probably don't even know who Dr. Schreber is, pleb. He literally had a schizophrenic breakdown in reaction to the MERE idea that he wanted to be a woman, and it reconfigured his consciousness so that he both saw himself as and sought recognition as a female. He was just some (literally deluded) old man who crossdressed, but his illness was so severe that it brought him relief, no matter who recognized it or not. It was a mental form of castration, an approximation of what true transsexuals seek physically. We would an hero if we couldn't be castrated, but once it's done, there's no reason to kill ourselves anymore (in relation to our illness). The faggots here end up hero'ing left and right because they come to find out they've made huge mistakes in carrying out unnecessary body alterations.
Being ugly as sin would hurt, for sure, but it wouldn't change the fact that you were relieved when you could get rid of your male bits. That's the true (very low-incident) illness that should cured by sex altering hormones and surgeries, not your little prostitute fantasies that die when your age eliminates your... "cuteness."
>>6288141
I'm curious OP, what name did you choose?
>>6288191
Oh, so you're a retard.
>>6288141
Are you ugly? If yes, you can just kill yourself now, because the world has no place for the unattractive of either gender. They're trash, genetically designed to make everyone else happier by virtue of not being them. If you pass as a semi-attractive female, I must ask the question: why go anywhere but up? Keep improving your image, acting, etc. You can worry about detransitioning when you start getting old, when women lose all value.
>>6290572
>Most of you are failed males that are just looking for an alternative
I think your 100% right. I've browsed mtfg and talked to a tgrill, and she was convinced i was one of them. I think alot of factors contribute to what we wish to be viewed as, and for whatever reason people like me want to be viewed as a female, and have feminine features. I think in the past, humans were focused on surviving. You had to work to live, or give a baby. Now were reaching a point in history in which we are solely focused on pleasuring and entertaining ourselves. I think people are influenced by media and social interaction far more than they realize, such as young small males wondering onto places like 4chan, where they liken themselves to their new peirs. One common thing in all of 4chan is cross dressing and twinks ect. I've noticed it on every board I browse. I think the lifestyle of trans is romantasized and cause these impressionable youngsters to think that their life will improve if they transition. I mean, they were always so quite and girly, right? They'd make a better girl anyday than a guy, right?
If your familiar with hypnotic rhythm, you know how easy it is to lose control of your own thought by mindlessly repeating the same events every day, and how easy it is to influence someone when their not thinking clearly, when they're on autopilot. This place is particulary dangerous, because our own voice is behind every message. There are no faces and no names. To connect with people here is easier than anywhere else, where we are all the same. This makes influencing that much easier.
Op was most likely seduced by what could be, not realizing how impossible such a thing really is. Im not sure how much coming to the conclusion (that you'd rather live as a girl) really matters. The fact is, many people have come to this conclusion. I'de like some insight on what you people think about all this, im a little messed up and can't think straight.
>>6288191
just stop presenting as female until your more comfortable and passing.
because trust me, If you stop hormones and go full dude, you'll really kill yourself
>>6291136
You're spot on. There are a ton of people in the world who would function better as the opposite sex for whatever reason, but until now we have all learned to make do with it since it really is impossible to change. We're currently in the middle of some trans movement thing though where people are actually making it sound like it's a thing that is really possible IRL. More doctors and therapists are enabling it. And of course most trans people are introverted asocial misfits so internet addiction becomes a thing, and the internet is totally full of fantasy enabling nonsense. Look at all the popular trans sites online, all of them are full of people who are maybe 1 year on HRT, cheerleading eachothers delusions like they're all actually going to change sex. But then you look for the people who are 5,6,10 years into it and they're never around. Hmm. So if you're like a sensitive, atypical person who is uncomfortable with the gender binary rules for your given sex, and maybe you're a little autistic, maybe a bit internet addicted, maybe a bit young and naive, short-sighted and emotional, and have enough enabling people in your life, its easy to fall sway to the dream, without really realizing that its actually not physically possible to change biology, and has real serious lasting impact on your life to try.
>>6290252
if you're considering, then don't
transitioning is a hard life and majority don't pass
but if you're ok with being a hon, then go ahead
>>6291136
It's kinda tricky because somebody whos a failed male might be a failed male because their trans to some degree.
Suppose a failed male transitions and enjoys being a girl and is happy with their new self, were they really that male to begin with?
>>6293062
I think I'm in this position. I don't have sex really and find hanging out with guys and smoking weed is boring. I could have sex if I wanted, and am frequently invited to parties, but I don't enjoy myself there. I think maybe because I'm uncomfortable with myself, it makes me uncomfortable around other people. I could "nut up or shut up", but I don't really have an interest in lying about who I am.
>>6292719
It's sad that people can't just be themselves without others on the sidelines who have a vested political interest in tearing them and their identities down.
>>6293125
I'm not that poster, but what do you mean? Do you think what we're doing here is trying to destroy trans peoples dreams? I personally desire to transition, but realize how impractical it is, seperating myself from everyone else. I have no political interest, and if the technology was there, i would transition. But im already 22, and i need to focus on a career, and money, and maybe even kids one day. Im not sure that living as a trans is even possible in this day and age. It's unrealistic to think ide actually be a girl, and i cant quite understand people that call themselves girls in mens bodies, but that might just be because i see this body as a vessel and not an identity. I would say im male, but i wouldn't say it's part of me, just what kind of body i have. I may not like this, but there isn't any realistic thing i can do about this.
I transitioned to 2 port Banshee but I think Tank Marine might actually be better what do
>>6292848
>repressiongen calling anyone hons
You will be on susan's in 20 years and we will all laugh, while I still go to sleep with gorgeous people almost everyday
>>6292848
i believe you, but something about me still wants to try. I feel like i should strive to be the best i can be in life, and i feel like what this is what i want.
>>6293492
But i think that he has a point
>while I still go to sleep with gorgeous people almost everyday
we wont be youthful forever, and we'll age and become ugly no madder what hormones we're pumping into ourselves.
>>6292719
Oh but you wait, it will become more and more possible. And the day will come when people will be free to choose the sex they wish to be and it will truly be indistinguishable. Science will get us there.
>>6293462
Just build some cc's and go for the long game m8
>>6293492
...and mtfg is hon nursery
you faggots hugbox young hons and let them continue with their delusion
Nice try /pol/
>>6293585
Yea, science will get us there. One day. Because it takes people like us with desires like these to get to this stuff done. We were born too soon. Were going to die, unhappy and dissatisfied with our lives. You can't always rely on other to fix your problems...
>>6293585
>ll become more and more possible. And the day will come when people will be free to choose the sex they wish to be and it will truly be indistinguishable. Science will get us there.
You can't change bone structure, so...
>>6288163
>vague and unhelpful
he is redpilling you, you will be treated with 0 seriousness for now on
good thing is they are probably creeped out cause you know, pretending to be a girl, so just expect no one to talk to you ever again
>>6288208
>that would be dishonest
YES
I KNEW IT
YOU ALL TRANNIES ARE IDIOTS WITH A SENSE OF MEDIEVAL KNIGHT HONOR
YOU ARE A BASTARD CHILD BETWEEN TOLKIEN AND TRANNY PORN
>>6293062
Trans are a spook m8, they are just men with tits
>>6293062
failed people are not the best candidates for transitioning.
Implying that they failed b/c they are really a girl in a male body is a stretch
>>6290572
>every male has to be the same and meet imaginary unspecified expectations.
failed men are neckbeards, trannys are mentally ill
Part 1, had to break it up, too long.
>>6292719
>But then you look for the people who are 5,6,10 years into it and they're never around.
It couldn't be that they successfully transitioned and don't need an online support group to help them through their transition right?
The reason that all transgender communities are inherently toxic is that everyone who passes eventually is re-integrated into society, leaving only people who can't re-integrate (read: hons, non-passers) and/or people that have decided to make being trans a central part of their identity (read: trips, camwhores), so you literally get the bottom of the barrel that only grows as more people are funneled through every year.
Being trans, I've found 4chan's lgbt community to be the least toxic, least hugboxy, and the least echo-chambery, but it's still a god damn cesspool of magnificent proportions. You can notice this especially in /r/transtimelines. Most of the active posters begin at 1 month in (who the fuck decided that a timeline of 1 month is beneficial to anybody) to around 6-12 months, and then most of the top posts are either 12-24+ months. What's interesting though is that these top posters, after 12+ months or so, will generally just post once more and disappear (at least from trans spaces), even though they might still be active on reddit under the same account. Most passing transgender people have no need to align themselves with transgender communities, unlike with lgb communities where members are usually in it to find partners (gay bars, etc)
Personally I think you're being a little too cynical, and definitely leading your own conclusions. This sounds like an extreme episode of sour grapes, where you want to believe that if transitioning was unattainable for you, it's an illusion for everyone.
Part 2, cont. >>6296331
>without really realizing that its actually not physically possible to change biology,
Uh, HRT very much changes your biology, and again, this sounds like extreme sour grapes/projection from your side.
>>6293062
This sounds very much like a true scotsman fallacy, however it does sound like it could be true, at least a little bit. I think a major part of transition that separates people who manage to successfully transition and 50 yr old hons comes from natural intuition that truly feminine people would recognize. I've met a couple self-aware hons, but I definitely think the most egregious ones are due to some trans "not getting it"
>>6291136
imho, this is basically a diluted version of pol's rationalization on degeneracy that likes to harp on a multitude of reactionary emotions and human tendencies to make it's case, but I don't really feel like typing this all out right now.
>Op was most likely seduced by what could be, not realizing how impossible such a thing really is.
I don't know how or why you've become this disillusioned, but I have a feeling that you might be indirectly drinking pol's koolaid. Remember, >>6288242 is right, but the answers you're looking for are not on /lgbt/ or even on any internet or rl trans community. I'm not saying that every successfully transitioned trans person is stealth, but the ones that are out are almost the same because being trans just isn't a major part of their identity.
>>6293616
this, mtfg is basically how /lgbt/ contains the bottom of the barrel from the rest of /lgbt/ so we can have some illusion of decent content around here
>>6293125
>it's sad that people can't just bee themselves
the hugbox of delusion has spoken, enjoy your rapidly decaying life anon!
/thread
>The reason that all transgender communities are inherently toxic is that everyone who passes eventually is re-integrated into society
Yes I'm aware that's the story that's pitched on all the trans sites. Believe me or don't, it's your future, but ask yourself: ALL of them? Really? They all magically re-integrate and lead picturesque lives, and NEVER return to the internet to update ever again? Come on. Where are the 15 year update videos? Question it.
A huge number of these people detransition quietly, or kill themselves, or become drunken shutin isolates. The running number is 8-15 years, that's how long into transition before the delusion breaks and a trans person wakes up and realizes the serious health damage they've done to their body, and limitations they've placed on their future.
Look into Renee Richards, one of the most successful trans women ever. She discourages younger transitioners from going that route. Why?
It's great during 20s, men are all over you for sex because you're exotic, but what about when the 30s and 40s roll around? And you realize your looks are fading, you're hooked on cancerous synthetic hormones for life, men don't actually want to marry and settle down to start a family with trans women, you've got bone density problems and places are denying you healthcare because you're trans, and you can't go back because you had your penis removed? What will happen then? I know you think because you're "passing" that you will be one of the 1% who attain the fairy-tale life...but you very well may not be, no matter how good you look...just question it, look into the detransition realities, don't take what reddit and tumblr say at face value...they are echo chambers like all the trans sites and support groups...you're gambling with your life.
Multiple parts incoming, hold your horses
>>6296619
HRT hasn't been around that long, and those who might've been able to acquire a prescription a while ago would probably not have been at an optimal age for HRT to work anyways.
Uh, can you link me sources on Renee Richards, cause I can't find anything on her discouraging transition, all I can find are articles like this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tennis-star-renee-richards-reflects-trans-life-article-1.2240292. I guess this could count as your 15 year update videos? Apparently, she's notoriously reclusive....
https://www.gq.com/story/renee-richards-interview?currentPage=1
Actually, this does say she discourages transition for trans parents, because it essentially robs them of their father figure, which I hadn't considered but totally agree too. I love this interview, actually.
So I guess this kinda counts as a 41 year update video, right?
>you're hooked on cancerous synthetic hormones for life
Also, you aren't hooked on cancerous hormones for life, you can quit taking hormones whenever you want to begin menopause. I'm not sure how synthetic oestradiol is, but I hear it's the exact organic form of estrogen iirc.
>bone density problems
these only happen in the absence of a sex hormone, so like taking anti-androgens without estrogen or blocking estrogen without testosterone. If there are any other problems, I'm not sure what you're referring to and I haven't heard of any others.
>>6296619
>>6296887
>but you very well may not be, no matter how good you look...just question it, look into the detransition realities, don't take what reddit and tumblr say at face value...they are echo chambers like all the trans sites and support groups...you're gambling with your life.
I don't know if you're trans, but I'm assuming not, because most people don't know that any transgender person worth their salt has ALREADY considered this far, far deeper and more intently than this simple comment here. I ponder over these issues almost daily, and I am constantly evaluating my position in life and how hormones affect it. This argument won't do anything to anyone who's actually transgender and has to deal with dysphoria because their dysphoria forces them to deal with these issues all the time.
>a huge number of people detransition
Yes, I know this is huff post but it actually cites some scientific studies so I guess it's worth a peruse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html
Going off of the scientific studies, remember that this is 2 percent of trans people that get srs, which is basically the fraction of trans people in the overall population times the fraction of trans people who actually get srs over the total trans population times 0.02, which is a tiny, tiny amount of the population, and actually an incredible success for SRS. Here, imagine this:
>>6296619
>>6296887
>>6296888
If I were to announce that I had created a complete treatment of cancer that cured even 75% of the time, I would probably buried under the amount of prize money and accolades from the medical community, and I would probably have my name memorized for a sizable chunk of human history.
And yet, here we have a surgical operation that manages to cure a seemingly mental disorder (you do realize that no mental disorders have any cures, right? Gender dysphoria is probably the most significant, if not ONLY mental disorder that has even any cure whatsoever) with a 98% percent success rate. So how is this not considered an unilateral achievement of modern medicine?
Thank god that's over, 4chan should increase it's character limit
Also, I should mention it's 2am for me so if you see any egregious mistakes or something isn't making sense, it's probably the time.
>>6296619
>>6296887
>>6296888
>>6296890
>they are echo chambers like all the trans sites and support groups
Ok, I just want to say this once and get it all out: one of the main reasons I hate the lgbt community so much is simply wading through the absolute amount of crap thrown from seemingly all directions. You have hons, radical feminists, /pol/ites, fundamentalist christians, liberal "transtrenders" throwing misinformation, and mudslinging from every direction in a giant shitshow, and it seems like it all tends to bounce off and reverberate forever in their respective communities, and trying to fight against with actual rhetoric and valid scientific information (which is another battle entirely cause there is basically only a handful of valid statistics from a handful of studies on transpeople) is basically trying to fight the ocean, except in this case the ocean is a giant wave of shit that never ends, propelled by tides that ultimately have nothing to do with a transperson's life.Bathroom laws and outrage are all directed at the ideologies of transpeople as a concept (/pol/ because of "degeneracy", fundamentalists due to "sexual immorality", conservatives wanting chromosomes to be the end-all-be-all for gender, etc...) A trans person isn't interested in defending this when in reality it has no practical bearing on their life. So now you have this giant rift between the transgender battle going on, and the fucking transgender people trying to avoid it so they can live their lives in peace. Why would they want to stick their heads back into the shitstorm?
>>6292719
>without really realizing that its actually not physically possible to change biology, and has real serious lasting impact on your life to try.
Thank God I am only a femboy and I only take hormones because I have Peter Pan syndrome. :^)
>>6295475
It can't change bone structure, YET. The time shall come when entire body transplants become a possibility, not to mention custom organs and body modifications.
>>6296895
fucking deal with it
if you really are trans, detransitioning is one of the worst things you can do. people will think you're a complete joke
see a therapist
>>6288181
>My first tip would be to cut it out with the suicidal bullshit, if you have friends and family then you know that isn't an option unless you are completely and unapologetically selfish.
Na fuck you, Family and friends say this shit all the fucking time and its always bullshit. They tell you they care but you bring up the problems you actually have and they cant say shit past i would miss you. Your the selfish fuck who cant look into others problems and see it from there point, your the selfish one who when someone brings up how much they struggle you tell them they are selfish because they didnt think about YOU in their time of need. You dont have to be ok with them being suicidal, but calling them selfish is shit and not helpful
>>6298316
Ye, I'm just telling you why you probably won't get good answers when you ask, and I'm also telling you why trans people don't want to deal with the trans community too.
>people will think you're a complete joke
Bruce Jenner detransitioning (cause he was basically a straight man for all the years before) is going to be the worst thing to happen to trans people in a while since any retarded religious converacuck can literally point to him to justify literally every claim against being trans.
>>6298343
Being called selfish is a normally used by abusive or toxic people to guilt you into something. Best thing you can do is just cut yourself off from toxic people as fast as possible. However, this is assuming that you aren't actually the toxic bitchy asshole. If literally everyone in your life is "toxic" toward you, it could be that everyone in your life might be an asshole, but the common denominator in all of these relationships is you.
>>6298379
i thought caitlyn detransitioning was a made up rumor
>>6296338
>I don't know how or why you've become this disillusioned, but I have a feeling that you might be indirectly drinking pol's koolaid. Remember, >>6288242 # is right, but the answers you're looking for are not on /lgbt/ or even on any internet or rl trans community
Just an hour ago at work, I'm talking with some guys and they were making jokes about trans, saying "I guess that's how America is now" and shit like "wheres a fire hydrant, I identify as a dog and need to take a piss!". I don't see how I could even begin to tell these people how I feel about this stuff. I don't see how anyone like me could live as a woman. And what do you mean that these questions can't be answered here or in any real life trans community? Where are they then?
>>6298776
I would definitely say to successfully be transitioned you do need to separate yourself from your trans component to some degree so that you stop taking things personally. You have to learn to just be a woman instead an easily triggered trans-woman, or you will have a very hard time socially and actually even just mentally on a daily basis. It's not really healthy or helpful to keep putting yourself into the mode of thinking that you are out of place in the world.
But there is definitely a balance to be struck here as well. You don't have to deny where you came from, you just need to learn to compartmentalize it until it no longer consumes you.
>>6295475
>what are nanomachines?
>>6296194
>implying neckbeards are failed men
>Implying being a neckbeard alone is enough to drive a man to transition
>>6296888
Thirdwaytrans had a theory that the rate of detransition or disatisfaction could be much higher than stated.
https://thirdwaytrans.com/2015/06/29/regret-rates-are-not-the-sole-measure-of-outcomes/
>>6298776
When I was a younger AGP and going the repressiongen route(didn't read 4chan back then unfortunately), this sorta argument made alot of sense to me. After learning more about trans from /lgbt and r/asktransgender I started to see the problem with this. SJW fanatics have really given the normies ammunition against us.
>>6298409
Last I heard was she was considering it.
>>6288141
Shitpost another dank meme, my friend. That's the best advice I can give famalambpam.
>>6298857
I don't personally have issues with what my co-workers think, but if they knew that I wanted to transition, theyd probably hate and or fire me. I would be a joke to them and I can't let that happen.
>>6299040
>When I was a younger AGP and going the repressiongen route
Well, how old were you when you decided to transition? I'm 22 and I feel like it's something I want but not something I'll have. Like I want to be a girl just like I want to never grow old, but both seem impossible.
>>6299857
I technically haven't decided to transition, I've just learned to accept myself as somewhat trans and uncurable and accept other peoples trans identities as valid. I'm 32 btw.
>>6299040
>When I was a younger AGP and going the repressiongen route
sorry I don't understand what you're saying here. If you're saying that /pol/'s coolaid is very attractive to people who hate some innate part of themselves (self-hating african person who wants to be white, trans people, disabled person who hates their disability), I'd say that pol's (very blurry and easily changed) concept of "degeneracy" easily appeals to people who hate a part of themselves but don't really want to admit that it comes from a personal source.
>SJW fanatics have really given the normies ammunition against us.
This sounds interesting to me, since SJWs have definitely contributed to degrading trans people morally, but I'm wondering if you were thinking of something else.
I'm >>6296887 >>6296888 >>6296890 >>6296895 btw
>>6299943
What's stopping you? In my mega posts above I kinda described how dysphoria is really the only mental illness with a cure available (which is kind of ironic since I'm not sure if it should be considered a mental illness if it has a cure, but I don't really know medical classifications or care that much). Have you seen a therapist?
>>6299040
>Thirdwaytrans had a theory that the rate of detransition or disatisfaction could be much higher than stated.
I think this also has to do a lot with statistics about trans people in general, since trans people are such a small demographic, most statistics on a subject (even if there are any at all) tend to be kinda bullshitty. I don't doubt there are way more people who take hormones and decide for one reason or another to get off, I see it happen all the time, but in general I believe that long standing regret is very rare. from what I've seen, most people get off hormones once the first major symtoms begin appearing, from about 3-6 months or so, but definitely not longer than that unless they have another major crisis in their lives (if they go homeless or something extreme). I think this is reflected similarly even in these srs studies, while SRS is much farther into transition than HRT might generally be, the fact that the regret rate decreases significantly over time, I think lends to the fact that the farther you go down the line in transition, it should be more and more apparent if the transition was a mistake (page 5 of https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734_An_Analysis_of_All_Applications_for_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_Sweden_1960-2010_Prevalence_Incidence_and_Regrets)
But yeah I don't think people wake up after 15-20 years and have another mid-life crisis where they suddenly realize their "mistake" and their ruined life, unless they were possibly a 50 year old hon that decided to transition after they had a mid-life crisis, but that's another discussion about hons all together ;D
In an earlier article, “the Liaison Legacy” in Tennis, Renée said of her sex reassignment surgery: “I wish that there could have been an alternative way … I would have been better off staying the way I was – a totally intact person. I know deep down that I’m a second-class woman”.
“I get a lot of inquiries from would-be transsexuals, but I don’t want anyone to hold me out as an example to follow. Today there are better choices, including medication, for dealing with the compulsion to cross-dress and the depression that comes from gender confusion. As far as being fulfilled as a woman, I’m not as fulfilled as I dreamed of being. I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation … and I discourage them all.”
>>6300949
>In her book, Dr. Richards never writes that she regrets having had her surgery, yet she lists so many regrets relating to her sex change that it is like someone who returns again and again to the edge of a great pit, but refuses to leap in. Those feelings were also evident in past interviews.
>“In 1999, you told People—” the reporter begins.
>Dr. Richards interrupts, “—I told People what I was feeling, which I still feel: Better to be an intact man functioning with 100 percent capacity for everything than to be a transsexual woman who is an imperfect woman.”
>“What I said was if there were a drug, some voodoo, any kind of mind-altering magic remedy to keep the man intact, that would have been preferable, but there wasn’t,” Dr. Richards says. “The pressure to change into a woman was so strong that if I had not been able to do it, I might have been a suicide.”
>Does she regret having the surgery? “The answer is no.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/garden/01renee.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1
So yeah, it looks like she was trying to be very explicit about the way she felt about her SRS
>>6288141
You had it coming
>>6299981
Kind of what your saying, when I was trying to purge myself of transgenderness and man up, the anti-transgender stuff really appealed to me.
>This sounds interesting to me, since SJWs have definitely contributed to degrading trans people morally, but I'm wondering if you were thinking of something else.
Just the whole idea of identifying as a woman seems SJW, but I suppose its valid. Its less spergy than explaining dysphoria and gender identity, but it does lead to easy mockery. SJW trans do other stupid shit though like whining about the word tranny, tranny jokes in tv shows/movies, cis lesbian not sleeping with them, women talking about their periods/pregnancy/vagina being triggering etc.
>What's stopping you? In my mega posts above I kinda described how dysphoria is really the only mental illness with a cure available (which is kind of ironic since I'm not sure if it should be considered a mental illness if it has a cure, but I don't really know medical classifications or care that much). Have you seen a therapist?
Whats stopping me is that i'm very masc in someways. I have alot of facial hair, i'm 5'9" 300lbs with a very prominent browridge. I'd definitly need to lose some weight first. In fact weight has always been an issue for me, as far as I'm concerned if I can't control my weight on T, I've no business on E.
I also have a huge fear of rejection, its why I never even crossdress. I would not be comfortable trying to hon it up and call myself a woman. Although seeing whats happened in 10 years with LGBT rights has been mindblowing and I can't wait to see what the next 10 years will bring.
I don't have severe dysphoria, but it does go in waves and sometimes its on my mind.
Never seen a therapist, not into them.
>>6312082
>5'9
>complaining about manliness
>>6312082
>300 lbs
I think you have more pressing concerns than "choosing" your gender. I find this common. Mentally ill people trying to transition because it focuses their self hate and emotional issues. Gives them a mental crutch. Being 300 lbs at 5'9" I have no doubt you suffer from extreme emotional issues
a memoir of someone who actually detransitioned
http://topsidepress.com/media/Austin-1.pdf
>>6314986
Still taller and broader shouldered than most Canadian women... :)
>>6316346
I have alot of bone mass so I don't look like a blob, but I am quite overweight nonetheless. I do agree, my fitness/weight issue must come first, and T is a much better hormone for dealing with that than E.
I wouldn't say I have extreme emotional issues, but when I think about it, don't really know what its like to be a normal man, never had a GF either. Unfortuantly, manning up and being masc/swole doesn't seem to work in the long run, just ask Caitlyn Jenner or Janae Kroc.
>>6316646
fuck off fat faggot
anyone detransitioning?
>>6293616
those people ruined lizbell, he was a fine young man and now he's changed forever
>>6316567
This is pretty much literally my life. Found tsroadmap as a teen, convinced myself I had to do that, transition at 21, regret at 30.
Loved this line:
>its hard to understand the concept of permanence at 21 years old, with no guidance from anyone
Because I say that all the time.
I worry for the young trannies who are getting into all this stuff now especially with how easy it is to access surgery now, a lot of people just have no idea what they're getting into. People are transitioning FULLY in their early 20s in like 1-2 years now. The # of regret cases is going to EXPLODE in the next 10 years, this trans zeitgeist is gonna backfire so hard, big time.
>>6298409
It is. The author of that article makes a career out of fabricating news.
>>6320246
I'm not transitioning anymore. I don't call it de-transitioning because I never fully transitioned. I was on HRT for 9 months, but stopped because I have no interest in socially transitioning or changing my voice. Having to convince people I'm a girl gave me really bad anxiety, even though I usually passed (until I spoke).
>>6321655
>>6316567
Haven't read the story yet. I'm the fat faggot from above. Whats funny is that when presented with transgenderism as a teenager in the late 90s, I thought it'd be awesome to a woman. But the whole process seemed scary and alot of work, the idea of SRS in particular was terrifying. The surgical risks put me off. Becoming anorgasmic was particularly terrifying since I was used to fapping. I think I understood this as being horny but not being able to get off, which as a horny teenager would of been a nightmare. So early on I identified as a crossdresser not a transexual.
Problem with transistion is, people have to do it young or its not worth it. Doing it young means its harder to tell if transition is the right choice. I think the biggest issue is SRS, it should be a last resort. Most transwoman should be living as a woman with a penis. Good luck explaining that to transphobic normies.
>>6321847
how young is young enought? Im 22 and probably going to do it.
>>6316567
This is kinda scary. I've been reading alot of these stories about transitioners and keep seeing things i have in common with them. Not just mentaly either. Im reading nevada and see not stop coincidences. Like our early lives and the fact her friend owns a green civic (my first car). Plus my name is Austin and i lived in the south like this person, and i also am a idealist like these poeple and plan to get a ffs to make everything better. Im kinda worried ill turn up like this austin, but on the other hand i actually kinda know what i want to do with my life, so as long as i pass I wouldnt have any regrets.
>>6322213
It depends on genetics and how masc you are. I think 22 is ok, its not ideal, but your still quite young, the estrogen will have a strong effect on you. Look up Zinnia Jones on youtube, she started at 23, is 27 now. She was not very masc to begin with however.
Also keep in mind, transphobia is starting to go out of style in Canada/US, so even if you don't quite pass in a few years, you may not need to. Being androgynous rather than masc hon tier will probably be good enough.
I definitly butched up throughout my 20s, at 22 I probably could have been a large masculine woman, at 32 I'd just be a masc hon. So you don't want to wait too much longer.
>>6321726
So you wanted to do it but didn't continue because of social anxiety.
Why not just cut your hair and look like a really femmy guy? You get to look better. If anyone tries to out you they'll think you're a transman.
>>6322390
>So you wanted to do it but didn't continue because of social anxiety.
Yeah pretty much, also because of dating. I was really self-conscious and isolated before, but now I have a lot more success just as a feminine gay guy. I'm not even very sexually active or anything, I just get more attention now compared to none before.
Any attention before made me even more self-conscious because I didn't know if I was being hugboxed or hit on by straight guys who would then react badly if they found out I was trans. All these sorts of things made me want to stop transitioning.
I kept my hair length (down to my nipples), but now I wear a lot more guys' tops and such. I still wear girls' pants and sometimes shirts if I'm feeling feminine. Sometimes I'll put my earrings in too if I'm feeling it. It's weird. Like now I'll just dress according to how masculine or feminine I want to present on that day, but still under the guise of a male identity.
>>6322365
wow, she kinda looks like me with a few minor diefferences. Im pretty sure i'de pass, but im worried about the muscle ive accumulated. My boss even joked saying "dang, look at those arms" and a few girls called me handsome felt my bicep and said "wow, Anon has some muscle!". I don't know how to get rid of it other than starving myself or something. Plus me and Zinnia have the same nose and i think it looks terribad.
You're not really trans if you transition and then want to detransition. It really doesn't work like that. But there are plenty of femboys on here that transition convinced they're trans because stigma of being an obviously faggy man. They almost always detransition, sometimes keep taking hormones and living as men after they accept who they are. Real trans just don't detrans, people like Kim Petras never consider it.
>>6322512
it will take time, but the muscle will go away naturally once you're on estrogen (provided you don't keep lifting very heavily). cardio will help
>>6322689
well i guess ill have to stop doing manual labor at work.
>>6296890
because it's not HRT that does it, but voice training and fashion exp.
>>6322732
>voice training and fashion cures dysphoria
okay there pal
>>6322779
In conjunction with hormones, it helps you pass, and passing reduces dysphoria.
>>6322683
Alright cool story. Check back with us in 15 years, and for your own sake try not to mutilate yourself too badly in the meantime.
>>6323000
What are you getting rid of? I just kept my clothes if they were androgynous enough. Just go for an ambiguous style. Keep make-up for crossdressing and stuff.
>>6323000
If your dysphoric, Isn't it better to a be male living as a woman, than a male living as male? Just because you'll never be cis doesn't mean you can't be happy being trans.
>>6323028
>male living as a woman
this made me feel worse because I felt like a massive fraud
>>6323011
can't be andro in a dress or skirt or strappy tank, right?
I was part time and seriously considered fulltime.
>>6323057
Oh lol. No skirts, dresses, frilly tops, or spaghetti straps, unless for fun at home. I overlooked that sort of thing because my style was more androgynous even as a tranny.
