Love is destructive
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Previous >>6189203
1st for sirona is a little sub bitch :D
came out to my sister today
fuck
Love is a disgusting thing.
post below this is a giant cunt bitch pussy ass nigga
i posted in /b/ today.
does anyone know how i could make 300$ not having sex with someone tonight?
im trying to buy a prom dress, and like ugh, everything and one has turned against me.
also hi.
>>6189882
when I came out to my sisters they did my makeup
>>6189873
>You're pretty awesome, Sirona.
Feels good, thanks.
I have my doubts and concerns about myself, but...well. Fuck it. Life's an adventure. Grab it by the balls and find out what happens.
>>6189864
Crazy femboys who'll cheat on you with Angels
tfw some kind of weird hermaphrodite shemale monster
>>6189885
It is painful.
>you'll never make dollfag sad and watch her cry
m-makes me want to c-cry ;_;
>>6189864
>Previous
>423 replies and 150 images
lets make a new record tonight, everyone post a pic with each post you make!
>>6189882
how did it go?
>>6189853
WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO CRY SO MUCH LMAO
>>6189854
oh, ok! that didn't answer the question tho lmao
are you feeling good enough to go? parties are bomb af.
>>6189855
do you watch american movies often?
>>6189856
well....if you need anything, or anything happens, let us know....
>>6189862
i guess that's smart. idkkk. i just know it's really hard to escape that kind of thing, and i don't want to see you hurt, desu.
>>6189870
>can't fuck random guys
w o w
ARE YOU TRYING TO TRIGGER ME, PAN??? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY PRIDE
>friends coming over soon to get drunk
>they don't know I'm trans
>last time we drank 2 months ago I wanted to tell them but couldn't so I drank my sorrows away instead
welp this'll be fun
https://discord.gg/0jCp5pochww4UBCv
come join calzone zone. voice, pm, chat
>>6189891
show me your butt
>>6189898
ok
>>6189898
I'll never stop posting this btw
>>6189899
>and i don't want to see you hurt
You've seen my scars? a few more won't phase me. Even so, it's nice to be cared about, so thanks.
>>6189882
How did it go?
>>6189885
What is wrong with love?
>>6189895
Better than a he-she ladyboy hybrid abomination.
>>6189903
Sounds scary.
>>6189899
you're ugly
I want to point out some of the things hips admitted to last night, but I don't want to escalate the situation
i need an E A S T C O A S T C U T I E
to stomp valve servers with in tf2 as the french fag
it is perfectly acceptable for you to just spec me in awe of how good i am at the sneaky rapist class
>>6189899
just cause I want hear you cry big alligator tears it's not like it's a fetish or anything
>>6189908
absolutely hideous
>>6189899
>YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY PRIDE
I ammmmm, hahahha. sorry edie <3 lmao. i actually didn't hook up with that guy thursday night, i got too much pride to go to an army base and fuck a black guy called 'big mike' without protection.
>>6189894
Loving man who will protect you, save you, and be there for you.
>>6189829
Not even. I know where you're coming from, and what you're describing is hard, but very honest.
>>6189834
My number? Which one, and why?
>>6189843
Well, you guys have been having it! WE just talked about our society's defective structure for promoting and accommodating the realities of human life, video game mechanics, and biking.
this guy walks in the club and slaps your ass, what do you do?
>>6189911
haha add me on skype, my info is on zeemaps, i'm in Seoul, South Korea
>>6189899
ill post screaming if i need to.
>>6189913
is hips the father of your rape baby?
>>6189913
you're a good girl/femboy red you tried your best
>>6189896
So about how many times have you watched NGE while tripping?
>>6189928
scream rape
>>6189922
>very honest.
For some reason, me in a nutshell right now.
The only thing I'm not telling the board about is the time I literally shot at someone because I was a complete fucking psychopath at the time.
I want a flannel hoodie so bad but I can't find them anywhere ;_;
![whip_marks_by_rai_kami-d38hy6p[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wOAf7ur.jpg "whip_marks_by_rai_kami-d38hy6p[1].jpg")
>>6189918
>>6189936
thank you.
I'm just a femboy, ok?
not a girl yet!!!
>>6189849
Don't keep teasing her, she'll have a tantrum.
>>6189852
I """hugbox""" but I really just like being nice to people I like. If you don't wanna be friends that's fine, but I'd try not to be a bother if we were friends...
>>6189888
I'll kill u
>>6189890
Oh. You considered diapers then, mtfg seems to like those?
>>6189911
I'm just quoting a song.
>>6189898
I already do that, and I'm happy to have /lgbt/ flooded with /mtfg/s. Let the faggots know this is our board and they aren't welcome.
>>6189910
you don't know that though :/
>>6189912
i'm not ugly. i'm hideous.
>>6189915
fuck me until tears stream down my face then
>>6189918
b i g m i k e
was that the guy you showed me pics of?
>>6189922
and what did you come up with regarding that conversation?
>>6189928
i'd be offended because he's not a qt
>>6189933
how do you scream in a post tho?
>>6189941
flannel.... literally just layer
>>6189824
I think i am dead inside :(
This is just from the last couple days.
>>6189928
c-can i have a slice sir?
>>6189944
yeah sorry i didnt know for sure
you're a good femboy and i'm sure one day you will be a good girl
>>6189937
Im gonna say around six times but it could easily be more.
>>6189950
I bet your butte is just as uggo
>>6189950
>>6189950
holy shit your top lip line
ahahahahahahahaha
fucking dragface never change
>>6189928
challenge him to a pizza eating contest. If he wins, I blow him. If he loses, he has to buy me pizza for the rest of the year
>>6189953
triggered so bad
>>6189950
are you asking me to wear a flannel AND a hoodie?
in australia?
I'll cook
>>6189950
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0q4q5d28Iqd
something i recorded very loud a very long time ago
>>6189950
You are going to hate me for this, but I think you are getting very chola with your make up.
This comes from another part mexican girl.
>>6189932
>hon detected
Passing is the sole objective of transition. If you can't pass. You have failed and may as well commit suicide because you've lost your dignity and respect of your peers and everything you could have had with repression.
Hons hate the idea of a world without them.
>>6189903
needs more fresh spinach to make it rise more
>>6189957
Does it continue to be a rewarding experience with new... something?
>>6189946
I'm just a boring and whiny hon and everyone ends up hating me pretty quickly so no friends for me.
Get upset at people when they give me positive compliments too because i'm a fucking retard.
>>6189974
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0q4q5d28Iqd
fuck that's cringy as hell Isla I think maybe you should detransition you'll be better off that way
>>6189964
>>6189950
>>6189973
>That's adorable :3
I felt gross because my sisters look perfect
yes yes let the hate flow thru you /mtfg/
dullface has the nastiest niggerlips here tbqh
>>6189974
o-oh isla I feel sorry for you I hope you put more effort in your voice
>>6189950
>you don't know that though :/
*sigh*... you're right, I'm just being stubborn. I don't like being hurt, and I don't like making mistakes and paying for them. But I refuse to be afraid of that when making a decision. When it comes down to it... I guess that I don't value my body as much as I do who I am. A scar has come to mean nothing to me because I've got so many. Pain will quickly become just another memory to learn from.
And I'm changing who I am. I'll straight up say it. I despise my body, my masculinity, and while I doubt I'm about to give up guns, booze and exercise... I'm sick and tired of being "a guy" and not who I've been all along. Sure I'm an aggressive, fiery, very butch girl but... that's what I am. A girl. At least I hope so, and this isn't just some fucked up confused period of my life that's going to fade because I'm finally on depression meds but... the evidence contradicts it. I've wanted this since I was nine, or ten.
Bah, I'm rambling now. But you have to write your thoughts downs somewhere right? maybe my ruminations will help someone else figure themselves out.
daily reminder that hips is a girl
>>6189999
stop being autistic and go to bed
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I need to go for a walk but I lost one set of ear buds and my back up pair stopped workiing
I guess I will have to suck it up and deal with it.
;_:
I need to go walk like five miles now so I can drink some beer tonight and unwind.
>>6189993
Not all of us pass Kayla. I just accepted being ugly and manly looking. Now I just ride the whole androgynous looking thing to the bank.
Just get some band tshirts, learn to play two cords on base, and go around selling how metal stuff is. It will then become socially acceptable to wear black nail polish and have long hair, as long as you seldom brush it out.
>>6190006
a real girl?
>>6190006
if by girl you mean rapist then yes
daily reminder that you shouldn't take those dangerous hormones if your bell didn't go off
>>6189901
I don't have any time for fun at the moment
it's all terror and crying and sleeping (and if I wasn't then it'd be revising, which is what I'm supposed to have been doing for the past couple of months)
maybe if I passed my degree I'd have some kind of personal achievement to hold on to but idk, if I fail I probably am just going to kill myself, not just for dysphoria reasons but because the outlook from then on is pretty bleak for what I can achieve in life if I can't even pass an entry-level degree I'm actively interested in. if that's the case then you can ask Titch to check the local news for confirmation if I stop posting all of a sudden in a few weeks or so, she lives near me.
not to mention that dysphoria saps the fun out of anything I try to enjoy anyway
>>6189979
I thought so. Well, shit. I don't know where I can get that.
>>6190006
top fucking kek
>hips
>girl
someone post a pic of him please.
>>6189975
>translation: I wish I could go back so I never became this horrible non passing freak that made me even more dysphoric
Stay mad hon. One day there will be a world where young men are saved from a lifetime of regret caused by transition
I'm going to find a nice fem outfit for graduation!
But not too fem! I'm only a boy. I hope my family accepts me this way, I've looked feminine around them for a while!
Maybe I'll wear a little makeup!
I don't have to worry about them being scared of me being trans, I'm just a boy to them <3
I'll have to hide my boobs tho....!
>>6190012
>being able to rape Red
I didn't even know that was possible
>>6190007
you dont find heroin. ive been down that road and it fucking sucks a lot
>>6190013
my bell went off when I was still going through puberty hon
>>6190014
okay rapist
>>6190009
no fucking way, I can't just put on black nail polish and call myself metal, what about my boobs and girl voice? all it would do is draw even more negative attention to me
>>6189953
OH YEAH NOW I REMEMBER. i thought he said he would try to use a condom tho lmao
>>6189959
i have a hideous butte
>>6189964
>>6189965
>>6189990
yes pls hate me!!
>>6189968
>australia
>a platypi's homeland
WELL, WELL, WELL.......AN EXTRA PIECE OF THE PUZZLE
>>6189974
i'm scared to listen this, help
>>6189978
honestly i just wanted to exaggerate my upper lip in that pic lol. i usually look like this without contacts or anything. much more basic and fug.
>>6190003
i know, but i think if it's something that could hurt you, and that you know you won't even want to go through with (breaking them up), then......
and this place is meant for rambling, so.
>>6190021
make sure you have a vibrator in you while you receive your diploma
>>6189982
Yeah, but be sure to space it out. I was doing it too often even for me so now I'm gonna wait a long time before doing it again. I really like watching anime on LSD because its not as disturbing to see animated characters getting weirdly out of proportion and there are more solid lines for your mind to fixate on. When the show is colorful and beautiful all the better, the next anime I trip to will probably be samurai champloo, but I dunno if Ill be able to sit through it in one go- Its a far more episodic story than NGE.
>>6190020
>regretting transition
Are you even trans?
>>6190014
she didn't do anything with my ass but grind on me while I was naked.
also
>her
>him*
>>6190008
kill yourself my man
>>6190019
Here you go. :^)
>>6190031
>grind on me while I was naked
what a wasted opportunity
>>6190020
>lifetime of regret caused by transition
lmao, but i regret nothing? life is a thousand times better after transition.
>>6190027
I thought everyone knew I was australian..?
I mean I did mentioned that i've seen platypuses in the wild before soooo
>>6190034
hips is a big girl :^)
>>6190022
pretty sure red is just secretly racist
>>6189903
but I already did a while ago
>tfw u will be holding ur gfs hand soon
>>6190042
the only racists on /mtfg/ is Ufufu and Dollfag
>>6190022
Except for the fact that I was drugged and raped when I was 16 by some chubby kid who convinced me to take pills with the booze I was drinking. I only invited him over to hang out and talk to me about being gay, nothing sexual.
>>6190009
Walk and play music on speaker o.o
>>6190013
B-bell? Nani?
Can't be sure what you mean >.>
>>6190018
<3 u Robin, I really really really hope you pass and get your degree!
>>6190021
Boy or girl you're just really cute and fun Red, I like you a lot :3
>>6190040
I thought platypuses were in america too?
>>6190034
from everything I've heard they're a terrible person
but that's hot
>have anxiety about buying girl things online
why
Hey, how am I looking for 2 months e?
perma-guymode right now because of living situation and stuff.
>What do you think the most problem parts of my face are?
>what should I work on most? (I cant grow out my hair right now)
>Do you have any future styling tips for hair and makeup?
>is there hope for me?
thanks!
>>6190051
you look nice!
Just keep taking e
You might want to figure out that acne scarring
>>6190048
>I thought platypuses were in america too?
errrrrrr
no
sister who I live with birthday today
all my siblings are coming around for a BBQ tomorrow
she told me that they're bringing cake and crackers + dip and cheese and that she told my other sisters they don't need to bring crackers because I live here
isn't it nice to be told how people really feel about you
>>6190051
like a future hon
>>6190051
>is there hope for me?
Basically impossible to fuck up stealth 100% girlmode as long as you stay on HRT. Don't worry about a thing
>>6190027
wow is that you? Im sorry for laughing. Everyone gets bad pics i guess. Your hair is amazing also! What's your products??
>>6190051
>What do you think the most problem parts of my face are?
forehead, nose
>what should I work on most? (I cant grow out my hair right now)
practice makeup, voice
>Do you have any future styling tips for hair and makeup?
nothing specific
>is there hope for me?
absolutely, you're going to be top-tier as soon as you're able to grow your hair out and get soft bangs
>>6190051
Pretty good, cheekbones look good and your brows are very feminine. Once you get a feminine haircut you should be cute.
>>6190050
same reason i have tons of anxiety about interacting with people in mmos
its a mystery
>>6190048
Thank you~
you're super nice!
>>6190050
>tfw want to buy more girl things but it would be a waste because i'm trying to lose weight as well
I'll just buy vidya instead ;_;
>>6190030
Not passing, being harassed and mocked for the rest of your life is the worst fate you can have.
You'll never be seen as a woman. You won't feel like one. And you'll feel even worse dysphoria. Because you came so close. And still failed. Leading to suicide.
With repression. You can stand further away from it. Distance yourself. And at least die with dignity. Even if it's suicide anyway
>>6190018
i don't pay attention to local news senpai. we pay more attention to Lincolnshire news over here. the other week someone lost a parrot. this week someone who lied about rape went to jail and it was a huge news week. next week it will be 'tranny rampage through historic market town as bestubbled shemale buys an ice cream'
>>6190014
I have no idea who the fuck you are, you better be nerdy, own a gun, and be born with a penis.
>>6190021
so do you have boobies? I mean I would sleep with you anyways but boobs are nice too.
>>6190026
If you are metal you can pull of black nail polish and even eye liner, but don't go too emo. It is a very fine line that you have to walk. Try to wear more black and say say x is so metal.
>what about my boobs
sports bra
>girl voice
start smoking because that is metal
>all it would do is draw even more negative attention to me
Just listen to ministry then
>>6190027
What would you suggest for bangs. Last time I went with sweeping bangs but now that my bangs have been fully grown I am tempted to just with no bangs or straight bangs.
Shitty picture, but it was the last picture I took that didn't have a fire arm in the picture. I was wasted out of my mind after drinking five beers.
>>6189939
Well, you did just come out to us recently, and met with a fairly receptive community. I think it's probably not too strange to not have your defenses back up yet.
>>6189950
A lot of stuff about shared cultural narratives and their shackling by intellectual property rights and the valuation intrinsic in it, commoditization of intimacy and the analogs to its dystopian extremes that have already been attained, entertainment saturation and its impact on the sharing of personal history, Internet use as a means of making connections that can just as easily, and through the same processes, act as impediments to them, that we totally need to play FF iv together one day soon, how different game mechanics thrill or disappoint us differently, and that I can only afford to spend about 600 dollars on a bicycle.
>>6190051
...
well, that's enough internet for one evening
you're gonna be 100% fine samantha, keep at it
>>6190064
>Basically impossible to fuck up stealth 100% girlmode as long as you stay on HRT. Don't worry about a thing
eyup
>>6190050
Because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't look good on me or are wrong sizes and I shoulda spent money on something else instead. Happens everytime.
>>6189882
how did it go?
>>6189902
good luck, plat
>>6189908
brutally sexy in a cis girl
>>6189913
just let it lie for a while, most people here now where there then.
>>6189954
that is a single slice right there
>>6189944
>yet!!!
that's better, red
>>6189946
anime IS cartoons, anon. in japan tom and jerry are an anime.
>>6189980
that's a bit much.
you transition for you, if you can get closer to being a female it can be a source of joy.
if you're really cool with killing yourself just try it transitioning and do it if you don't like the results, no reasson to depend on others.
>>6189981
expand on that idea.
>>6190073
>Trying to lose weight
>Playing vidya
good luck
>>6190038
Only the passers won't feel regret.
But Observing the more depressed and bitter denizens of mtfg. Only proved my point
>>6190090
What else would I do?
>>6190087
>Because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't look good on me or are wrong sizes
everytiem
>>6190027
I mean... I'm going to go out on a limb and just say that this is probably over-sensitivity to all the emotions, all the smells, all the signs, and bodylanguage that I've been ignoring, and now that I'm finally giving it a chance I'm being overwhelmed by it. No matter what I intend to stick by them, and protect them if I need to. But I really do hope that I get over my infatuation soon, and go back to seeing him as... well, him.
God though, I havn't felt this...sane? alive? present? I don't know the word but I feel amazing for the past two day's and I don't know what's changed. It's like someone pulled a stocking off my head and I can see clearly for the first time in years. All my senses are working, and it's bizarre. It's strange noticing all the weird things I've been blocking out! my room is a damn stye and I intend to fix it tomorrow (If I wasn't meeting up with the two people I was just talking about for a movie marathon) and... I don't know if it's depression, or repression, but one of them really was fucking me up.
>>6190081
Thing is... I used to be like this... Back when I was much younger. It's actually like I've gone back 12 full years and just.... I can't find the words for how great it feels. Now I couldn't do this with any one face to face, but through a screen I can be the playful, teasing, actually happy person I used to be!
I need a cigarette and it's not because I'm sad it's because the last time I felt this good I was smoking my way through an 18 pack.
>>6190085
is that an edit?
>>6189978
Please be in New York?
If not want to visit?
>>6189944
I'm in your corner, fempai!
>>6190089
that's a bit much.
you transition for you, if you can get closer to being a female it can be a source of joy.
if you're really cool with killing yourself just try it transitioning and do it if you don't like the results, no reasson to depend on others.
Dysphoria only becomes worse when you are treated as a man in a dress.
Prove me wrong. Every single one of the non passers here is miserable.
>>6190038
Well duh you pass. Ofc it's great, your treatment worked! People who don't get that lucky are going to have to deal with 10 times the boymode dysphoria though
>>6190085
>tfw used to read the shit out of qc
>the guy who draws it went totally off the deep end half way through and the tumblr vultures ate up the scraps
I mean I know I'm basic af for ever enjoying it but god did it get so much worse
>>6190089
>brutally sexy in a cis girl
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS?
NO
NO
NO
>>6190097
Go jogging with a friend! No girl ever jogs alone. Or do some reading. Vidya gets more and more boring by the day. Maybe im just depressed though lol
>>6190050
I bought this bathing suit the other day, what do you think anon?
>>6190104
yes that's an edit lmao
>tfw 4 weeks on E
>tfw I've now had 1 menstrual cycle worth of hrt
I know it's a short time in hrt terms, but it feels like an important milestone to me.
>>6190040
i k n e w i t
the jig is up, flannel bb!!! CONFESS UR SINS
>>6190045
YOU LOOK GREAT BBY!! I'M SO EXCITED FOR U BOTH <3333
>>6190051
you look good!
>>6190065
of course that's me! i'm not that attractive or anything, but i love to change up my look. that's why i don't really take that stuff to heart.
i use moroccanoil exclusively right now. two pumps while my hair is wet, then two pumps after i've blow dried it. it really helps.
>>6190080
depends on whether or not you want to hide your brow bone. what's your goal?
>>6190081
yeah, that's all totally true. that's how most societies function at this point, though. the reality is that most people don't know how to live with themselves.
the internet, and distractions from your own mortality give a certain sort of calm. everyone abuses it.
what do you think about all of it? recognizing it is one thing, but....
>>6190103
>pulled a stocking off my head
lol i like your turn of phrase there. truth of the matter is you were probably depressed because you repressed.
even more honestly, my house is in the same state right now. it's hard to admit when you're depressed, and it's even harder to fix it, but i'm glad that you are.
>>6190061
what about you and crackers, I don't get it?
>>6190071
No problem, just saying stuff I feel because I'm sleepy and usually more filtered lmao
>>6190089
>anime IS cartoons, anon. in japan tom and jerry are an anime.
NO ANIME IS ANIME AND CARTOON IS CARTOON FILTHY GAIJIN GO HOME
>>6190091
>I'm not sharing that info
oh, sorry :c
>>6190096
>ive just had bad anxiety about everything my whole life.
That sounds really bad, I'm sorry :c
whats goin on in this thread?
>>6190109
My point exactly. Tell me?
Do you feel that repression would have been more comfortable compared to the dysphoria and humiliation you face now? If for nothing other of the secrecy.
>>6190080
>Just listen to ministry then
i already do
>>6190113
>friend
Even if I did go outside to jog I wouldn't be able to do it all day, I think being busy with video games is a good way to lose weight and a good way to make the waiting less horrible.
I need to kill myself
>>6190103
I'm very happy for you. It sounds like this has been fantastically liberating. I hope very much that you can hold on to this.
It was so much more rewarding to BE when I stopped having to lie all the time to everyone I cared about.
>>6190019
pretty girl
>>6190134
But I need u to clean my house
>>6190091
as any fem boy should be :3
>>6190090
Before tsa broke my new 3ds when I went to seattle I used to ride a stationary bike while playing pokemon. I guess you can get a wii fit or install zombies run on your phone.
rate my play list /mtfg/
https://youtu.be/kd6hTuN0bLg
https://youtu.be/0CCztM6u07k
https://youtu.be/JESYQw_quCk
https://youtu.be/dOaNwi_2M8o
https://youtu.be/PUpYBAsS5Q0
I don't think it is metal enough.
>>6190118
Well I still want to ride the androgynous look I can get away with, but I also kind of want to look very fem some times. If I get stright bangs I fear looking like jim carry from dumb and dumber.
>>6190125
Oh, well go hang out with me and we can go to a place where no one will remember or care you are trans.
shit it is getting late
brb work out before the sun goes down.
>>6190121
People are fighting with Edie for some reason and animu
>>6190121
kaffir
>>6190129
>I think being busy with video games is a good way to lose weight
>good way
>lose
>weight
what are you talking bout? losing weight is all about cardio. But what games are you playing? I keep hearing about this stelaris game but i don't know if it's any good.
I don't know if this is the right place to ask about this, but I figure if I don't get any help here I can just make a separate thread.
I've felt gender dysphoria ever since I was 12, and knew I'd rather be a girl since even before then, but didn't strongly desire it or feel distress over my male body. Now I'm a young adult man, and I've started HRT, but negative thoughts crawl through the back of my mind. Growing up with access to the internet throughout puberty and going through multiple phases of repression lead me to all sorts of ideologies, it wasn't too infrequently I'd align myself with some neo-conservative bs ideology that I'd find on some forums and stick too for awhile, but one in particular that I never saw too much flaws in was gender critical feminism. So through-out most of my life I've been flip-flopping between "oh shit I have gender dysphoria I need to do something or this could very well ruin my life if I take too long to do anything about it" and a more negative repression mindset where I aligned myself heavily with gender critical feminists or "terf"s. Now that I'm starting transition I feel very conflicted though. All of the ideas and opinions held by gender critical feminists towards trans people, especially female-attracted male born trans people are ironed into my head, and I detest them and don't want to be a part of them. What do I do /mtfg/? I desperately don't want to be a man who looks like a woman and has to fight for the attention of the few bi women willing to date male-born transsexuals if my current gf ever leaves me, I don't want to be seen as a freak, or an imposter, but I also don't want to live with this severe dysphoria I have currently, I genuinely think it would make me kill myself. I feel really hopeless and like my life's been ruined from the start by this gender dysphoria that was forced upon me by some unfortunate twist of fate.
>tfw watching this movie reminded me how fucking hot penn badgley is
h e l p
>>6190119
>what about you and crackers, I don't get it?
crackers is a synonym for crazy
>>6190030
Some of us have a survival instinct hon. It's called not living in a fucking hugbox
>>6190145
you can maybe play with them. I moan a ton!!!!
>>6190119
B-but anime and cartoons are the same
>>6190145
>Oh, well go hang out with me and we can go to a place where no one will remember or care you are trans.
how? where? I don't really have girl clothes anymore, just bras and panties but no actual clothes for going out, plus i have never had my hair styled
>>6190124
I'm not going to give up just yet but I definitely will after I've given this a good spin if things don't work out. I don't see life worth living as a hon by any means, it's far too cruel of an existence and a constant reminder what a failure I've become.
I dont think I coulda lived repressing either though, just gotta give it a shot and if it wont work out it wont work out. It's like do you want to try and treat a terminal permanent illness if the treatment has a chance to kill you but not treating it will make treatment less likely to work? I'd give it a shot still, even if it's unlikely to work at my age.
>>6190145
You look cute
Who the fuck is hips?
>>6190118
>hard to admit when you're depressed,
It was a lot harder to get people to believe me. And when it comes down to it. I just... Maybe it's becuase of literally all the fucking meds, and because I'm feeling good, and because things have been working out for once, without me having to fight for them like it's the fucking somme but... I'm not afraid. There's no one in the house, it's pitch black, and for the first time since I can remember... I'm not seeing things in the dark. There's no monsters, there's no sounds, the darkness doesn't scare me. I know that I would normally be panicking like a little girl but...I don't know. I just noticed it too. What the literal unholy.... I'm going to start swearing if I keep this up...
>>6190135
I just... I'm not doing that. I'm not about to go screaming it to the world just yet (I probably wont do that. Inciting violence is illegal) but damn I want to. I want to throw off the shackles and say fuck it to this life.
I'm going to have an emotional breakdown in a second and it's because I'm happy. I just know that I'm going to
be miserable in the morning just because it wont feel quite as good, but right now I'm over the moon.
I should probably explain the darkness thing huh? Who's up for another storytime?
>>6190153
just think of faye's tight boi-pucci
>>6190161
I don't wanna talk about this anymore
can we just stop?
>>6190048
>B-bell? Nani?
>Can't be sure what you mean >.>
it's something from an old book recommending to wait until you can't stand male life anymore to transition.
1/3th of it is all about stopping transtrenders and people who just have a fetish, but 4chan choses to read it as if it's trying to turn everyone into a hon.
>>6190020
being ugly is part of life, anon.
>>6190029
can you really sit through eva? I love the second half but the begining is just too slow for binge watching...
>>6190051
voice, voice and then train your voice a bit more
your face looks great, a bit manly but with some basic make up or skin care and a passing voice I doubt people would clock you.
>>6190151
I think just not eating like a piece of shit when I feel bad is a good way to lose weight as well.
I'm playing DS3 and waiting for the new total war game because i'm agp.
>>6190153
go out on a date with me
>>6190152
If you already started, it's probably too late. Just see it through. In the end, if you kill yourself it doesn't really matter does it?
>>6190121
Nothing important.
>>6190147
Ty, Im super stroked to get it. I always end up buying my clothes from asia. They're just cuter, maybe Im a weeb. The shipping is killer though, 15$ for that one.
>>6190152
>tfw bipolar
>tfw can switch off dysphoria half the time
>>6190152
I'm just gonna go right out there and say that transition >>>>>> repression
first step is stop listening to terfs
second step is thinking about who you are
third step is thinking about who you want to be in the future
it doesn't sound like you want to answer 'a dude' to that last one desu
>>6190175
>stroked
what a freudian slip
>>6190146
how can I love myself when there isn't anyone who loves me?
how can I love myself when I hate everything about myself?
how can I love myself when I don't deserve love?
>>6190136
t-that's like 4 months into mones, please dont bully im less ugly now ;_;
>>6190167
Ha, i was playing ds3 and using the reversal ring with an extremely fem looking male character.
>>6190149
(...save me, /pol/...)
>>6190166
It is slow but its still extremely good, on an LSD bingewatch though Ive started starting at EP8. I love the entire show though start to finish.
>>6190166
>being ugly is part of life
Not for beautiful cis women :)
Also
>unironically recommending hon literature
Fuck off hon
Where the fuck is endo anon when you need him. You should have been denied hrt.
>>6190148
people are always fighting with me for no reason ;__; it's just an inevitable part of my life now i suppose.
>>6190145
don't get bangs then! andro looks are more suited with long bangs like in your pic.
>>6190162
d'aw :) I'M HAPPY FOR U.
>>6190164
i've never seen it or anything tho, so... haven't had sex in 3 months..........
>>6190171
are you penn badgley?
Is BDD real?
How does one know they have it?
>>6189864
>pic
no....
>>6190182
figure out what you can and can't change
change what you can and accept what you can't
I'm not saying it's easy, but it's the only way
>>6190186
>save me /pol/
Why
>>6190188
Storytime? I promise I'll go to bed after that, but this one's a little more sobering. It explains the primary reason I think my Dad should never have been allowed to raise children. I mean, it was sort of minor, but it fucked me up for years.
>>6190188
>haven't had sex in 3 months
wow I'm surprised you haven't committed sudoku yet
Hey girls. I'm a different kind of "chaser"
>>6190152
>/pol/ turns out to be a tranny
Nobody's surprised by this, take your skittles. Make friends who'll support you, post butt here, it's all good.
>>6190154
Oh, lmao. Your sister sounds like a cunt.
>>6190158
*smacks u*
>>6190166
That's retarded, how can you read it except as "turn everyone into a hon?"
If you're cis and you start transitioning, the boobs will make you dysphoric and you'll stop.
If you're AGP just go through with it anyway, not like girl life is worse than boy life in the first world.
>>6190182
Idk, I like you well enough when you post memes 'n stuff. You deserve love as much as anyone else, and if nothing else you definitely deserve your own self-respect.
>>6190201
Share.
>>6190192
Please respond!
>>6190152
>giving a shit what feminists thinks
might as well stick your head down the used tampon chute in the ladies room and take a deep whiff dear
>>6190187
But anon, hunny, we just gotta make sure you have a lived expierence as a full grown man before you make such a big decision
xoxoxox
Redditta and Bobberta.
>>6190188
>so... haven't had sex in 3 months..........
did your boi-pucci get tight again or did it remain wide and ready for used?
>>6190034
i didn't know you had a super nintendo
>>6190192
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder#Symptoms
ooh nelly
>>6190192
Body dismorphic disorder? Its pretty fucking easy. Its when everytime you see yourself you cringe a little. You avoid photos and hate being in large groups because you dont like people looking at you. And sometimes you cry and want to die. It doesn't have to be as intense, but its just having the constant feeling that your life would improve if some part of your body was changed.
>>6190173
No such thing as too late. Most effects of HRT are reversible.
>>6190179
>first step is stop listening to terfs
But why? Why should I? Because it'd hurt my feelings to continue to see things from what I consider an entirely reasonable view-point?
>second step is thinking about who you are
I know who I am. I'm not a woman, I'm a man who's life is being ruined by physical dysphoria I feel over my sex and I don't know what to do about it.
>third step is thinking about who you want to be in the future
I really don't want to be a dude, but it's not like I can be a woman. The best I can do is trying to change my body as much as I can to fight the reality of who I am, but even if I end up entirely passable I'll still be a freak.
>>6190210
all non passers should be killed desu. Like laws made against them. But not against passers
>>6190161
im hips aka amy aka 'thank god im not poor or i would be dependent on the word of mouth of people who have a higher position than me in this community because they're prettier than me and felt that i slighted them at some point or i would be fucking destitute'
>>6190210
i like this post good post
Fukken 6 slices of pizza
>>6190058
thanks, I think it's definitely gotten better on e but I still have a ways to go
>>6190059
tfw not zoomed out irl
>>6190064
>>6190085
>>6190068
>>6190083
>>6190096
>>6190118
Thanks!
>>6190166
>>6190067
thanks for the input!
I can't record on mobile but people say my voice passes, I don't really know where to start on makeup though
>>6190222
you fatty
>tfw completely alone on a Friday night with nothing to do and no one to talk to.
I mean its no different than any other day for the past several years but it always hits harder on the weekends.
I need to see a pic of a post-op vagina that's not attached to a hon
evangelion is 100% nightmare stuff.
i still ruins me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXFK47oYlrY
>>6190201
storytimeeeeeee!!!
>>6190202
YOU THINK YOU'RE SURPRISED?
i literally haven't gone this long without having sex in over 3 years. it's lowkey getting to me.
>>6190203
murder me
>>6190210
i love this pic of us
>>6190211
i'm really tight ;__;
>>6190217
Thats like saying all ugly people should be killed
[spoiler]which isn't wrong[/spoiler]
reminder that Transtrenders >Hons
Any kind of tranny is better than a unpassing hon.
Even passing agp beats a trutrans hon
>>6190061
are you the only white person in a black family?
I don't get it otherwise
>>6190074
Once you're dead you can't give a fuck about anything, if you can you should try. I'm sure you have a magic ball that let's you see the future but without pics it's really better to not believe claims in 4chan.
If it was entirely about looking a certain way then you never had disphoria, it was dismorphia all along.
>>6190081
>shared cultural narratives and their shackling by intellectual property rights
it's a bit tagential, but did you read about the french cloth designer that took traditional designs from central america, copyright them and the indigenous people got sued? Lots of keks and tears.
>>6190104
of course it is, it has like three attempts at jokes when QT has zero each strip.
>>6190110
In my late teens I loved it, I can't really explain why. When something is produced at a quick pase you just cosume it without thinking.
And I'm the same anon insisting that a girl with that thing showing the back would look like a pretty hot slut.
>>6190108
But the hons in communities filled with them are pretty happy, they do seem deluded but they are happier than every repressed anon.
A lot of people are misserable here because
>family issues
>love issues
>chemical depression
>overworked classes
it's just the same shit you'd see in a HS, it's not the transition as much as the age.
>>6190117
I like that system of meassurement.
>>6190233
Ugly women* ftfy
An ugly man can still be an engineer or have a career that provides a benefit to society.
Women do not. And are inferior to men.
>mfw didn't see new thread
>>6190234
Well thats good news.
>>6190205
>>/pol/ turns out to be a tranny
Believe me I'm not anything close to /pol/, haven't held a conservative belief in years. I'm more of a far-left feminist than anything else politics wise.
>>6190208
the thought of becoming an unintelligent misogynistic man in a dress like yourself is one of the things that scares me the most about transition. The paradox of you simultaneously wanting to be your unrealistic mental caricature of what a woman is to your twisted mind while also disregarding the primary women's-rights movement atm is sad and amusing.
>>6190214
>>6190215
Some other thing some anon posted was spot on what I do but I guess it's not the same or maybe they were wrong.
I think y'all abuse the word hon tbdesu.
When I think hon, I think of "wear my wife of 12 years panties" and "has high school-aged kids".
xoxoxo
Reddinna
is it bad if i miss being a slut sometimes?
>>6190013
>daily reminder that you shouldn't take those dangerous hormones if your bell didn't go off
The bell going off is a hormonal event in your late thirties leading to a total collapse of all that makeshift male shit you have built up over the years. You will have no choice then, either be a hon or die. It's that bad.
I wish hons were a thing of the past to. But unless there is some way to test how femmed up your brain really is from early on then there will always be hons. It is rarely so clear as the three year old boy saying he is really a girl and refusing to do anything but play with girl toys and dress up.
Most just realise something is wrong but goes looking in all the wrong places. Except that one pandoras box inside the closet. Then one that must never be opened...
>>6190219
Meme bob is depressed and trying to salvage some joy out of every meme he can. Meme snob is a normal human bean, insofar as those exposed to memes can be.
>>6190224
>tfw not zoomed out irl
Iktf ;~;
>>6190226
I'll talk to you! Well, I would but i have a term paper to finish. Maybe some other time?
>>6190228
I think at least two people in this general got srs.
>>6190235
Guess it times to start killing them then
http://www.strawpoll.me/10205806/
>>6190248
why is this meme so accurate?
gurl power sweetie
Stephany xoxoxox
>>6190251
no.
It feels nice to be passed around and used to me
>>6190216
>Why should I?
because you don't get anything out of it
what about their viewpoint do you consider to be entirely reasonable?
all they do is point out that mtfs are biologically male (reasonable) and then claim that means we're all rapists or something (not reasonable)
the premise is fine but the conclusions they draw from it is nonsensical
>I really don't want to be a dude
then don't be
I was in the exact same position you are right now, and I realised that there was no way I was going to spend the rest of my life living as a guy
that left me two options - suicide or transition
I think you should give transition a try, because that keeps your options open
>>6190234
what if you're an agp transtrender hon like me?
>>6190205
>>6190230
Let me set the scene. I take it everybody at the age of 4 had an active imagination? And imagined spooky monsters in the dark? Something wicked and evil and wrong just waiting with slavering jaws and sharp teeth to lash out of the dark and gobble you up? And I suppose you all gave your parents loooong nights because you kept calling for them every five minutes to save you from them, and eventually they let you sleep with them?
Well my father was a military man. He knew exactly how to stomp this out. A plan so simple it was ingenious. So imagine a small 4 year old boy (because I hadn't the foggiest idea what the differences between the genders were back then, I was just "me") sitting in bed crying for daddy!
Me: Daddy! there's a monster!
Father: No there isn't, you're just imagining things. See? nothing here.
Me: It hides under the bed and in the shadows. It only comes out in the dark and It's going to eat me!
Father: Oh that monster! *opens the curtains* Hmmmm. Oh he's going to eat you all right. So you'd better get to sleep soon. Goodnight~
*flicks off lights*
The bastard left me there staring into the pitch black night sky.
I was actually paralysed with fear. His plan worked, I never called for him again. But he left me with a fear of the dark that never faded
And this, this is the reason I don't think he should have been allowed raise kids.
I can understand why he did it. Tough love is advocated to every parent at some point. But this took it too far.
I forgive him for it. But he fucked up.
>>6190258
do older women really talk like that? I know my mom used lots of dots......when she..talked..............
>>6190252
Huh. I opened mine and still managed to put it back just fine
>>6190229
Evangelion is 100% love
I really dont get the nightmare thing about NGE, Ive always found it to be an emotionally touching story with the main moral being to love yourself.
>>6190225
It's all homemade
Fresh veggies and everything
>>6190257
poo on toast is the only right answer
never dye your hair
>>6190267
my mom.... uses a lot .... of dots too ...................
>>6190265
Passing be the key word here
>>6190273
>tfw shitty dark brown hair
>>6190269
but it puts EVERYBODY through hell,
for the self-actualization of *1* angsty teenager.
did i mention/imply that ayanami is fucking weird & scary?
>>6190273
>black dye
>qt goth girl
also the brow bone on that last one
what a hon
>>6190251
is it any different than being a whore?
>>6190259
it feels good to be wanted, even if its only physically
>>6190273
Hey, I have the same colour as the third girl. Look like i'm in the Danger zone.
>>6190034
>snes controller
what games
Is there anything to actually do in Jacksonville or am I going to be bored out of my fucking mind tomorrow
>>6190134
Don't do it sheen ;~;
>>6190273
>citing a /pol/ infographic
Kek
Though the really unnatural color dye doesn't look good
>>6190266
hah. My dad was so similar. After he took me from my mom in like first grade, I guess he saw me acting girly or something so he told me a story about a boy who acted like a girl and was forced to wear a dress and sit down and pee and tell everyone he was a girl. I think he also said they cut of his pee pee. That shit traumatized me for life. Plus my brother used to tease me and mock my name by puting an a on the end of it. I ended up running away once for a few hours.
>>6190187
>>unironically recommending hon literature
I didn't recommend, I didn't even mention the name so they could google it. Please calm down.
>>6190205
>how can you read it except the understanding I was given before reading the text
by reading it in a certain context
>If you're cis and you start transitioning, the boobs will make you dysphoric and you'll stop.
after ruining your life. are you seriously saying that people should develop disphoria?
>If you're AGP just go through with it anyway, not like girl life is worse than boy life in the first world.
Again, if you're just a fetishist you're entering disphoria kingdom.
It's an old book with a long introduction meant to disuade people. If things are rough now you have to remember they have become better in the last 10 years than any other time before.
>laboral protection
>anti discrimination law
>police forced to take basic social training
20 years ago a tranny was in a worse position than a black man, there was no way to get a job and if someone beat you to a pulp it was okay because you cheated them making them think you were a woman. Obviously someone that dealt with that will try to tell you that unless you really really have to you should think about it.
Even more with so little clues about HRT and almost no chance of medical help, it was pure luck to end up looking fine.
Being an ugly hon was incredibly common 20 or 30 or 50 years ago, and people still transitioned because they dealt with their own lives as they wanted instead of being vain and caring only for your looks.
Sincerely a hon is a 100 times better than a piece of shit, cis or not.
>>6190266
Lol you pussy. I went and fought the monsters
>>6190248
And there are cis women that age who look like that. Some really masc bitches out there.
>>6190273
I'm considering dying my hair bright matte red, metallic blue, or a mix of pastel blue and pink a la the trans pride flag just to add as further warning to the strangers around me not to expect me to be a normal non-autistic person if we interact. I think it'd cushion the blow for all parties involved.
>>6190273
>middle-aged fetishist trying to school people about what they should do with their hair
Thanks for the keks, eliot.
>>6190118
Some of it I'm still lost on. The kind of paradigm shift needed to distribute the authorial voice on modern myth and story to all people, to overcome exclusivity, is outside the scope of even my most ambitious life goals, and those to me seem downright arrogant already.
Other bits are a bit easier to work with, and can be tackled on a personal scale to help promote similar behaviour. I am certainly striving to be more forthcoming with my affection to people I care about, and less shy expressing my pleasure at, and need for, same. Ultimately, being more honest with my feelings (and my body) is enough to reshape my own social environment, and to help motivate others to behave similarly.
I already practice very conscious consumption of media, but I think that I haven't ever really been clear with others about why, and this hasn't really promoted the kind of mindful discourse I hoped it would. I think the more important part that I've been letting slide is an insistence on relating it back to the experiences of the tiny group of other human beings I'm interacting with, or belong to, and the realities and uniquely fascinating beats of our private lives that get overshadowed so easily by the magic of dramatization.
Internet use is one of those points we actually spar on a lot. We both know how harmful it can be, but I've devoted a lot more effort to looking for the ways it can serve to benefit, instead. It could be argued that the effort would be better spent elsewhere, but I think there's something uniquely excellent there, a nugget of GOOD, that fully deserves some rummaging, scraped knees, and cut up hands in order to get at. But this is another place where cultural shifts may be required to really see flourish, and it needs to happen at a frighteningly politically charged level in order to be plausible.
Children need to stop being taught that there are incorrect ways to feel, that there are parts of themselves they are wrong to express...
>>6190215
that also describes disphoria, though.
The main point is that dismorphia is about your general looks while disohoria is directly tied to your gender.
