>The husband of a cop killed on 9/11 returned his wife’s posthumous Woman of the Year award to Glamour after the magazine gave the same honor last week to Caitlyn Jenner.
>James Smith told The Post he yanked the award off the shelf in his Long Island home dedicated to his wife, Moira, and FedExed it back to the magazine.
>Moira, who died at the age of 38 after rushing into the south tower, was honored by the magazine a month after her death.
>But after Jenner, 66, was anointed last week, Smith told the magazine’s editor, Cindi Leive, to take the award and shove it.
>“Was there no woman in America, or the rest of the world, more deserving than this man?” Smith wrote. “At a time when we have women in the armed forces fighting and dying for our country, heroic doctors fighting deadly diseases, women police and firefighters putting their lives on the line for total strangers, brave women overcoming life threatening diseases ... the list of possibilities goes on ... is this the best you could do?”
http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/family-of-911-hero-refuses-award-over-caitlyn-jenner/
Why are trannies such embarrassments?
I am pretty sure no one cares. I don't at least.
>>5235934
*Why us Caitlin Jenner such an embarrassment?
ftfy
>>5235934
wow james smith im sure ppl will care about ur political statement for like 5 sec
Why are trannies so disgusting? I recommend treating their disorder with electro-shocks.
Just ironically shows why she deserved it desu
>>5235934
DAMN. Trannies BTFO
>>5235977
Eh, I overheard quite a few girls at my college talking about it too. "She's not even a real woman" was the consensus.
>>5236131
But he's a man. He just cut off his penis & testicles and is taking hormones in a way to force his body to become more "feminine", which will just result in him just appearing somewhere between uncanny valley (at best). Chromosomes indicate he is a man: he does not possess inherently (functional) feminine body parts (uterus, ovaries), and his neo-"vagina" is just what remains of his penis and bladder being turned inside out, with said wound being prevented from healing by forcing it open.
>>5235960
This. She's a shitty person and even trannies are embarrassed by her.
I think Caitlyn did a brave thing because of the public spotlight and being an olympic winner, but still Woman of the Year is inappropriate
this man's reaction was justified, it was a disrespect to his hero wife
>>5236169
>Woman of the Year is inappropriate
Why? She's been the target of a ton of unjustified hate and bigotry so it seems kind of appropriate.
>>5236180
>she
>caring this much about meaningless normie shit
none of this will matter to anyone in 100 years, let alone 1000.
>>5235934
>Why are trannies such embarrassments?
yo fuck you, we didn't ASK for Mr. Jenner to win. fuck, he hasn't even been a woman for a full year. lmao.
>>5236180
there's nothing admirable about her. Yeah you could say she's a "brave transwoman who represents how difficult it is to come out and be true to yourself" but she also killed a woman in a car crash. You can't just brush that off and pretend it never happened.
>>5236180
it's just my opinion, the hate she received as wrong but that doesn't mean she herself really did anything extraordinary. in fact she committed manslaughter earlier in the year. even if the magazine were to pick a transgender woman I think there are surely some who are more worthy of admiration.
>>5236187
Proving my point.
Also I'm pretty sure this story is fake since it's an award usually given to "inspirational" female celebrities and this woman's name isn't on wikipedia's list of winners:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamour_Awards
Nor is it possible to find any article about her winning the award that isn't this Caitlyn Jenner thing. It seems to be a hoax.
>>5236207
Okay yeah, so this story originated in the New York Post which is a tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch (the same guy as Fox News) and has a long history of just making shit up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post#Controversies
Since they didn't cite any sources I'm going to go ahead and call hoax.
>>5236131
Bruce Jenner has never had an ounce of struggle in his stupid life. And he's not trans. You don't go sixty years with nary a blip and spitting out kids, you don't talk about how queers aren't trying hard enough from your rich ass ivory tower, you most certainly don't refuse to do something as fundamental and effortless as fixing your fucking linebacker voice if this is anything except a publicity stunt.
He can take his bought award and shove it up his non-existent cunt. That awarding didn't just insult and demean all the women it was given to before -- women who struggled, died, acted in valor and courage -- but all the transwomen that actually do things like support sprawling charities, work for political equality, come up from incredible trials, and give from themselves until it bleeds and then a little more.
A rich white fetishist got patted on his dick for doing exactly fuck-all, and it spits in the eye of all women, cis and trans alike.
>>5236234
you're clearly not an American. it's not a hoax story.
>>5236243
It's an award for celebrities and nothing exists online to prove that this woman won it.
You're all gullible as fuck.
>>5236263
Additionally the claim is that she was given the award posthumously in 2001 but the award didn't even exist until 2003.
The New York Post was fucking blatantly lying and nobody even bothered to check because it was an excuse to hate on trannies.
>>5236162
>He just cut off his penis & testicles and is taking hormones
Oh dear, do you really think he did this?
>>5236279
This article is from 2007 and mentions the woman being honored in Glamour, it seems like the Post is able to fact check and you are not. Maybe the hormones are messing up your brain.
https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/in-the-news/martin-j-golden/local-tribute-police-officer-moira-smith
>>5236279
>the claim is that she was given the award posthumously in 2001 but the award didn't even exist until 2003
Um, she was still dead in 2003.
>>5236305
Okay I found out what's going on, Glamour has a separate Man/Woman of the Year award that only goes to one person as part of a number of awards. Moira Smith never won that.
They also have a separate "Women of the Year" award which goes to like a dozen or more women every year for a variety of inspirational things. That's what Smith won. That's also what Caitlyn Jenner won, and she wasn't the only person to win it.
The New York Post is still at fault for being intentionally misleading, and the husband is just a transphobic asshole who's making a spectacle of his wife's death and sacrifice to hate on trannies. Victoria Beckham is also winning the award this year for being a "fashion force" but he doesn't seem to take issue with that.
>>5236326
>transphobic
Nobody actually believes that this is a real concept, by the way. It's 2015. You can stop bringing it out now.
>Victoria Beckham
Is an actual woman.
>>5236333
>"transphobia doesn't exist"
>proceeds to be transphobic
Okay. You're literally the reason she won it btw
>>5236305
Brain dead trannies BTFO
>>5236308
>given the award posthumously in 2001
>posthumously in 2001
>in 2001
>>5236337
This is why nobody believes in the concept of transphobia anymore. You've run it into the ground to the point where it only means "Literally any comment you disagree with".
Keep it up. We're tolerating your kind for now, but keep pushing. See where it gets you.
>>5236337
You can't be transphobic against a fetishistic crossdresser like Bruce Jenner
>implying Bruce is trans
>noone actually cares
[spoiler]noone actually cares[/spoiler]
>>5236343
See the post I made >>5236326
She did win an award in 2001, but not the one they were implying, or at least it wasn't the type of award they were implying. It's an award that's given to literally dozens of women a year for a variety of things so there's literally no reason to be upset that Caitlyn Jenner was tacked on to that list of winners unless you're transphobic. You can't make the "hurrdurr other women were more deserving" argument because those women also won it. It doesn't just go to one person.
[spoiler]noone actually cares[spoiler]
>trannies BTFO because bruce jenner has demonstrate how completely fraudulent their "movement" is
It's time to drop the T from LGBT.
>>5236357
I hope you';re trolling because his wife died on 9/11 while saving people from the world trade center. It doesn't matter if they gave awards to multiple he people, he has the right to feel annoyed at Glamour for putting his wife in the same category as Jenner who's, at least in 2015, just a Hollywood socialite and fodder for TMZ and gossip magazines covers.
I think the fact that you're turning your bile not only on this poor husband but even hinting at disrespecting his wife shows you have issues.
>>5236203
she's a millionaire celebrity, brave or difficult, bullshit. any other trans woman would have been better. I hate being represented by an evil witch like jenner. its transphobic to hate all trannies because of this, it's not transphobic to hate jenner though, that's just common sense to anyone thats lived and transitioned as a regular person.
>>5236385
She's one of the greatest Olympic athletes in history, an actress, race car driver, and owns an aviation company. She's also now the de facto most famous trans person in the world and has at least attempted to become an advocate for trans rights (which most people will agree she's failed at, but she attempted at least and has also been the target of way more trans hate than any other trans celebrity).
Why aren't you and the husband getting mad at the US women's soccer team for winning the same award this year when they've done demonstrably less and haven't had to deal with any bigotry at all while doing it?
>>5236411
because he is not married to the women on that soccer team
are you really this out of it?
>>5236435
What? Are you saying this guy is married to Caitlyn Jenner?
>>5235934
>Missgendering
>Thinking that just because you go to the army or work as a cop you deserve a medal and award for it
This guy is probably closet trans, and really upset he never got an award for doing normal things in his profession.
>>5236169
She ran into a collapsing building.
How is that being a hero.
This guy is transphobic.
>>5236411
The women on that soccer team are a lot more admirable than Caitlyn Jenner. Jenner literally didn't do anything, you're just saying she should be honored for what was done TO her. That's dumb.
there's nothing wrong with feeling sorry for victims, but honoring our actual heroes DOING things is what pushes the culture forward, I'm not surprised many trans people are in open protest of Caitlyn jenner honestly
>>5236337
Pointing out the fact that you're mentally ill is not a "phobia".
>>5236162
>He just cut off his penis & testicles
No, he still has them actually.
>>5236346
>"actual woman"
>not transphobic
>Keep it up. We're tolerating your kind for now, but keep pushing. See where it gets you.
Is this some kind of threat? Like trannies are soo lucky you're not killing them right now and should be happy with the limited rights they have and not ask for anything better? Seriously, you're just providing more proof that transphobia exists.
>>5236369
Most trannies hate Jenner though. That's like saying we should ban right-wing parties because of what Hitler did. Or that we should take away men's legal rights because some men are rapists.
>>5236473
At no point in this thread did anyone make claims of someone being mentally ill.
>>5236465
>Jenner literally didn't do anything
I know that you're like 12 but Jenner is an Olympic gold medal winner who at one point was a national hero who inspired a ton of national pride in a time when it felt like the Soviets were overtaking us in many ways, becoming an international celebrity and household name. She was once renowned as the "world's greatest athlete" rather than "that tranny".
>>5236411
>She's one of the greatest Olympic athletes in history, an actress, race car driver, and owns an aviation company.
He did all of this as a MAN. Where other men treated him like one of their cis bros. That doesn't count as female success.
What suffering? The only time he got a bunch of shit was when he transitioned.
>>5236491
>Is this some kind of threat?
Yeah, it is.
We're going to hunt you people down and start murdering you by the bushel if you don't calm down.
>>5236513
And you still deny that transphobia exists?
>>5236510
>The only time he got a bunch of shit was when he transitioned.
And practically 90% of that shit came from buttmad trannies. The average person does not fucking care about this stuff at all.
>>5236518
Your IP has been recorded and entered into the deathsquad database for the future.
To have your name removed from the kill-list, repeat the following three times into your bathroom faucet: "Transphobia does not exist, and I am an idiot for believing in some vast conspiracy to victimize and restrain what is at best a pitiable mental disorder."
>>5236502
i am pretty sure Jenner was honored with tons of accolades already WHEN she did those things. now tell me what she did to earn woman of the YEAR 2015. and I was born in 1997.
>>5236537
>I was born in 1997
Oh I can tell.
>>5236333
>denied bus seats, jobs, housing, public building access, medical treatments and emergency transportation
>denied the most basic of human respect
>because you "weird people out"
>or you're "crazy" or "dangerous"
>because you're ugly and your body has the wrong shape of cloth thrown over it
You're straight up retarded, anon.
Here's my opinion -
I have actually met trans people in my life and was friends with a trans person before normal life circumstances saw us fall away. I honestly liked them all and they seemed very friendly.
The whole media and bigot driven agenda to characterize them as freaks is an absolute betrayal of all forms of morality and ethics and is another true cancer on Earth. Trans people have their problems, like us all, but then they have to face society-wide levels of scrutiny and criticism and most will face violence, some often and hundreds will be murdered every year.
The OP is a follower. An insipid follower of hate trends and other stupid people. A fucking loser in real life is the likely scenario.
Fuck you.
Over and out
>>5236535
>vast conspiracy to victimize and restrain what is at best a pitiable mental disorder.
It's not a conspiracy. Conspiracy implies some sort of intentional planning between multiple people. No one here is claiming that a bunch of people are secretly meeting to deprive trannies of their rights. What they're saying is that transphobia, essentially meaning hatred, fear, or anger towards transgender people, exists.
>>5236560
you want this man to respect you but he doesn't feel like Caitlyn is a woman. you don't respect his opinion and science is on HIS side. I'll respect anyone's preferred gender and name, pronouns, but there is no phobia here.
It's "I'm right, he's wrong" and you're namecalling with words to label him as a bigot. He doesn't think transgender women are actual women. That's not phobic
>>5236586
>science is on HIS side
This is just factually incorrect.
>>5236590
>Bruce Jenner is intersex and was born biologically a woman so when she transitioned into Caitlyn, she is 100% real woman
yup science sure does support Brucey.
>>5236605
I don't understand what this post is even supposed to mean, but all the science is in favor of transgender people.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8nj_lCW27KbYBh0/edit?pli=1#gid=1074721744
>>5236613
>but all the science is in favor of transgender people.
When is this meme going to die?
Do you not realize that literally five years ago, nobody on earth had this opinion?
>>5236586
>he doesn't feel like Caitlyn is a woman. you don't respect his opinion
If I "feel" that someone is a glass of orange juice, is that an opinion that other people need to respect?
>science is on HIS side
It's not though. Sure, if you're going by the general medical definition it does, but if you go deeper science does support the idea that trans people are "really" the opposite sex at least in terms of innate identity.
>but there is no phobia here.
Phobia isn't really a good term. It's the term that's caught on so it's what we call it, but it's not really a phobia in the normal sense. It just means irrational fear or hatred of trans people.
>It's "I'm right, he's wrong" and you're namecalling with words to label him as a bigot. He doesn't think transgender women are actual women. That's not phobic
I'm not calling him a transphobe because he doesn't believe trans women are women. At worst, that is mildly transphobic. But threatening to kill trans people for being trans is blatantly transphobic, and there's no way you can argue yourself out of that.
>>5236621
>posts link containing literally hundreds of scientific studies supporting transgender people
>"le meme XD"
ok
>>5236621
>Do you not realize that literally five years ago, nobody on earth had this opinion?
So an "opinion" is invalid because people didn't have it until recently?
>>5236621
>all the science is in favor of the earth revolving around the sun
Do you not realize that literally five hundred years ago, nobody on earth had this opinion?
>>5236627
>posts link containing literally hundreds of scientific studies
None of which apply to the average instance of transsexualism, which goes something like this: "I'm trans because I said so."
>>5236633
That's actually incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
>The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BC
>>5236652
>That's actually incorrect.
thatsthepoint.jpg
Transgender people have been a documented phenomenon for the entirety of recorded history, with dozens of different mythological and religious explanations for why they exist.
Scientific research on them was done as early as 1910 in Germany by Magnus Hirschfeld, who wrote:
>"Whether people view the sexual intermediaries to be pathological without ado -- in my opinion, an indefensible standpoint for biologists of the Darwinian school -- or consider pathological only the more striking features of manliness in a woman and femininity in a man, the weaker grades as physiological -- in which case it would be difficult to consider drawing a line in the ranks of the imperceptible overlapping types -- or interpret all of these intermediaries as I do, as sexual varieties, and make the concepts of the pathological in the sexual life dependent upon other instances; for example, to what extent prerequisites of both sexual maturity and sexual freedom endure injuries -- all these are only secondary phenomena in the face of the fact that we have to treat the sexual intermediaries as a widespread and natural phenomenon."
This is NOT a woman, and you will NEVER convince people differently.
Stop bullying people just because they aren't going through what you're going through. No one said you have it easy
>>5236709
>6ft tall monster thinking he looks like a woman
Man, 6ft tall trannies are delusional. Look at those girls in the background laughing at him.
>>5236709
>Stop bullying people just because they aren't going through what you're going through. No one said you have it easy
We will do that if you stop bullying trans people and threatening to kill them.
>>5236685
Genuine trans people exist, but the vast majority of "trans people" aren't really trans. They just watched too much anime, they're autistic or they're crossdressing fetishists like Bruce Jenner
>>5236685
>thatsthepoint.jpg
The point is that you're stupid and have no concept of real history?
>>5236738
Okay armchair 4chan expert, let me know when your peer-reviewed study comes out about that.
>>5236621
5 years ago? i don't entirely disagree with you, but that's clearly wrong. trannies have been claiming to be neurologically intersex for way longer than that. considering the average age of the posters here i wouldn't be surprised if that's actually what you think.
>>5236709
oh my god
It's a tricky situation. I'm a cis lesbian and here's my take.
The purpose of a Woman of the Year award is to include a marginalized demographic, women. You can't have simply a Person of the Year (which would be ideal) because we still live in a patriarchal world and it would still leave women marginalized. You can't include trans women in the Woman of the Year category, because you still risk leaving (cis)women marginalized. You can't restrict it to Male/Female of the Year, because you risk undermining a trans person's gender identity. The only way to make these awards egalitarian is to exclude trans people, which isn't fair to them. Can you include a Trans Person of the Year? No, because usually that tiny segment of the population doesn't produce anyone noteworthy to receive it. The only solution is to leave the award for trans people vacant, or simply not contest it in some years.
Hot grill for attention.
>>5236742
>The point is that you're stupid and have no concept of real history?
Your misconception of history is what I was mocking by posting an equally absurd and demonstrably false example.
Are you really stupid enough that you need me to break the joke down for you?
>science opposes the geocentric model
>science opposes transgender people
Both of these statements are factually incorrect.
>five hundred years ago nobody believed in the geocentric model
>five years ago nobody believed transgender people were real
Both of these statements are also factually incorrect.
>>5236586
Woman is a sociolinguistic fiat that has been formally and wholly distinct from the formal biological construct of sex for more than a generation. Which, by the way, has not been a binary system for longer than you've even been alive, you ignorant turkeyfuck. There is a consensus in those that study genetics and epigenetic systems that in all complex animals -- which readily includes humans -- the concept of "male" and "female" is so inaccurate and basic as to be absurd.
But you wouldn't know the science. Because you don't actually care about paltry things like confirmable states, academic structure, or even an objective reality. Those are inconvenient for your tender and fragile feelings. If things aren't how you have blindly assumed them to be, or worse yet, how ill-educated people told you they were, then you might have to actually put in some kind of effort to understand what's happening around you or not be a cock-up and constant asshole, and that's just too much to ask of a man, isn't it?
The issue isn't one of opinion. It's one of fact. A transwoman fits the sociolinguistic criteria of a woman in the culture that we demonstrably share by virtue of being on this website and conversing in the same language. A transwoman also fits comfortably into the scientific ideas of sex and gene expression that are dumbed down excessively into what you'd call female. Physically female. Socially woman.
And wholly irrelevant to anything except the retarded tantrum you want to throw about how you don't understand how people can independently be unreasonable and this adds up to a web of dickishness.
>>5236744
>trannies have been claiming
Tranny opinions do not count.
This is like saying that Ted Bundy wasn't a murderer because he didn't think of it as murder.
>>5236755
>Woman is a sociolinguistic fiat that has been formally and wholly distinct from the formal biological construct of sex for more than a generation.
Fuck off, retard.
>>5236748
wouldn't inclusion make anything more egalitarian
this confuses me
>>5236755
>Woman is a sociolinguistic fiat that has been formally and wholly distinct from the formal biological construct of sex for more than a generation.
Trannies are now literally stating that women do not exist.
Holy shit. Genocide when?
>>5236748
How on god's green earth is including 0.001% of women out of potentially winning a meaningless award like "Woman of the Year" from a purely fluff magazine "marginalize" the hugely outweighing category of ciswomen? That's not even sensible. You pulled that out of your ass without supporting it in the least.
>>5236768
>Trannies are now literally stating that women do not exist.
"Woman" as a concept is a social construct. And that's what's being talked about here. If I see someone on the street and mentally classify them as a woman, it's wholly based on external visible traits - genitals and chromosomes have nothing to do with it, as I have no information on that sort of thing.
>>5236770
>biology is a social construct, the only opinions that matter are transsexual ones, give it up you cishet shitlord!
You forgot to call me transphobic.
>>5236786
>>biology is a social construct
>>the only opinions that matter are transsexual ones
Never said any of that.
>You forgot to call me transphobic.
Neither of the posts I replied to appears actually transphobic. I don't call people transphobic just because they disagree with me.
>>5236786
It says outright that biology isn't a "social construct." But that the biology is "wholly distinct" from the social construct. It's just also a simple fact that by anything beyond the most rudimentary biology class you barely passed in high school, transwomen are still biologically female. You just don't know shit about gene expression, hormone systems, tissue morphology, neural construction, or anything even remotely scientific. It points out that the social rules we just make up, and that constantly change, are totally divorced from what a person is. Then it points out that even with that distinction, which is both widely recognized and sensible, you're still a fucking retard and couldn't be more wrong if you were actively trying to be.
>>5236800
Only in terms of anatomy, which doesn't really matter unless you're their doctor or sex partner.
If an ordinary cis man lost his penis and testicles in a car accident, would they then be a woman? What if the same happened to a non-op trans woman?
>>5236808
>biology class you barely passed in high school
Ouch, I'm definitely convinced of your totally insane position now.
Good work on that well-reasoned argument that addressed all of my points, you've won another battle for your side.
>>5236786
Throw a few more strawmen in there, imply some dumbshit thing to ad hoc your ad hominems from later, and you're really getting a proper mouth-breathing baitpost going. This is just transparently lazy.
>>5236810
>If an ordinary cis man lost his penis and testicles in a car accident, would they then be a woman?
Nice, another Germaine Greer fan. I like her too.
>>5236811
I don't even think you can wipe your ass without getting shit on your fingers. I'm not arguing a damn thing to try to convince you. I'm making arguments (and lots of them) for lurkers who haven't lost so many brain cells to sniffing glue and their crippling porn addiction that they can still manage to link a series of ideas from one sentence to the next.
>>5236764
>>5236769
You would think that, but empirically there's a huge fucking bias in favor of trans people. Angela Merkel was named the second most powerful person in the world by Forbes. Undoubtedly she was a far bigger player on the world stage than Caitlin Jenner, who did nothing but scream "I'm a woman now" and, in terms of glamour, inspire some mean spirited Halloween costumes.
>>5236811
BREAKING NEWS: Anonymous shitposter declares himself King of Science, overthrows decades of laborious study and effort by credible individuals.
"All in a day's work," said an microdicked internet hero. He then nervously cleaned the semen off his fingers using the fabric of his tightie whities, and nervously ushered reporters out of his bedroom in his elderly mother's home.
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.
>>5236823
A "huge fucking bias" in favor of trans people. Which we can see from all the other times that a transwoman has won useless-ass Glamour's useless-ass Woman of the Year award before now.
>>5236818
>I'm making arguments (and lots of them) for lurkers
Wow, your self-delusion runs deep.
Do you actually think people are reading this conversation right now and thinking "Yeah, I'm going to side with the total idiot who can't make a single actual point, and just immediately descends into sputtering insults at the first opportunity"?
You must be a liberal.
Why are americans so fucking dumb?
>>5236859
because you're retarded too.
I love how trannies go "science supports us!"
and don't explain in layman's term for a decent debate exactly how science supports trannies. They just post links and look all proud and shit. FUCKING EXPLAIN YOUR ARGUMENT.
>>5236808
yeah. but then how sense is made of biology is in part derived from social constructs.
yeah. there's probably some kind of nature in which rules are far more rigid and clear, where everything can be determined by some kind of formula, but humans aren't a bunch of unfeeling utilitarian robots whose only perceivable purpose is to reproduce.
the way in which biologists have collectively chosen to systematize things are a product of their particular cultural and historical ethnography
every single culture has had their own way of understanding and making sense of the physical world, and none of them are exactly precise in understanding the whole of it
if you examine any mode of scientific analysis, i guarantee you will find it bears some kind of religious or cultural implications / connotations, even if marginal
its impossible for any human to objectively know anything, because any attempt at objectivity will always the product of a human
unless you find some way of becoming a god / robot, and what a sad life that would be
>>5236875
>I'm too dumb to read pls spoonfeed
>>5236855
What has Caitlin Jenner done this year? Literally nothing. People on this board do the same thing all the time. Why isn't Ufufu Woman of the Year? At least she isn't an embarrassing hon.
>>5236162
Chromosomes aren't like Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Look at a bunch of photos of skin and try to figure out which chromosomes it has.
And uh, I don't think they need to turn your bladder inside out for that...
All that said, Kaitlyn Jenner is still a gross person and a terrible role model.
>>5236900
>Why isn't Ufufu Woman of the Year?
She isn't the greatest athlete in the world.
>>5236889
>post links with no statistics, or one of the scientists' articles on the conclusion of their findings
laziest form of debate ever. I don't tolerate it when any of the other LGB do it, I don't tolerate it when straights do it, and I sure as hell will call out you trannies when you can't provide a decent argument.
>>5236914
Neither is Caitlin Jenner. She isn't even an athlete anymore, and she never competed in women's athletics.
Ronda Rousey is pretty much my waifu. Obviously she lost yesterday, but she would have been a much better choice.
>>5236810
A man losing his penis and testicles in an accident is still a man, because he had them at one point. Plus, he doesn't have female body parts.
Get it right: you trannies will never "be" the opposite sex. Just pale imitations.
>>5236952
Are you the person I was replying to? Their phrasing seemed to indicate that they would consider a Jenner to not be a man if she had her penis and testicles removed.
>>5236952
what it means to be a particular sex only matters within the context of a culture
>>5236858
I don't even think you're trolling at this point. You might be legitimately insane. Citations, arguments, refutations aplenty in the posts, and they're the ones not making actual points? All you've done is very ironically insist that someone else is delusional and try to use liberal as an insult.
>>5236900
Yes, and? It still stands that a bunch of useless turbosluts have won the award for doing fuckall. And Bruce Jenner (that hon is as much trans as I am an NFL linebacker) is still the first person they tried to insist was a transwoman in order to shill their dumbass magazine with some buzzwordy ploy. Nearly everyone that has been given it is a ciswoman, overtly.
>>5235934
supply and demand.
the people administering the award are going to get more publicity if caitlyn wins it
Much as I'm not a fan of Cait, fuck this bitch too. She's right to suggest Jenner hasn't done shit, but why shouldn't an mtf get it? I already know how that will be answered on 4chan, so in advance: grow the fuck up and stop believing stereotypes because you never actually go outside and meet anyone.
I think the award should've been given to a tranny that's actually done something, then it would've been a meaningful gesture.
>>5236900
>ufufu
>not an embarassing hon
Dudes literally 6ft tall with broad as fuck shoulders. Not to mention his ugly as fuck steve buscemi looking face and he can't even type correctly. He's just an autistic straight man that watched too many animes.
They can hand the award to whomever they want. It's a piece of metal or wood. It meant nothing then and it means nothing now.
>>5237789
The lady's dead m8. She has nothing to do with this.
>>5236162
>bladder being turned inside out
Uh, what?
>>5235934
I gender trannies as they like to be gendered when I speak to them as a matter of courtesy. Even so, they're not actually women, anymore than that NAACP bitch was black. This is just equivalent to the fundamentalist Christian denial of biology, only it's coming from SJWs on the left.
>>5238052
I don't think it's denial of biology, that's why we have the category of TRANS women. TRANS basically means you have fundamental biological traits of the opposite sex (opposite to what your gender is I mean). But in terms of gender which is psychological and social, both trans women and cis women are women.
>>5235934
Trannies can't melt steel beams.
It doesn't matter whether he's woman or not, he didn't deserve it
>>5235934
I wonder how his wife would have felt that he returned such a significant reminder of her. Sounds more like he did it for the attention.
>>5238302
If you knew anything about love (and considering this is /lgbt/ then you don't) you'd know a lot of things that a person left behind can be a significant reminder of them
It was a posthumous award handed to him by a third party - not something they did together.
>>5238317
You post here too friend, I guess you know nothing of love either.
>>5238284
Thread should have ended on this
ITT mad lesbos
The woman of the year award is a joke to begin with. These strong women are subpar to the men doing the same work as them but because they are women they get an award. Its kinda like female inventors, there are so few useful things invented by women that we need to keep white out and chocolate chip cookies on the list.
>>5236462
That's more heroic than chopping off your balls and cock so you can justify your mental retardation.
>>5236537
He's also a MURDER
>>5238731
this post made me laugh really hard
just wanted you to know that
>>5239115
Jenner identifies as a group of crows now?
>>5236473
Thinking that your feels are more "fact" than all the actual research and evidence and explanations by doctors and scientists is delusion, seek help anon.
>>5237016
biology doesn't suddenly change when you start looking at a different culture
>>5239758
BIRDMURDERER
>>5236709
damn he looks like a caveman who just escaped from a cave
>>5236621
TERFs ruined it in the 80s
>>5235934
>returns the award
>makes sure to tell everyone he did it
>look at me! I have opinions about things!
Not to be an edge master, but humans are utterly pathetic
>>5236162
You have no idea what srs is like, kindly shut up and do pic related next time you feel like talking out of your ass
>>5236162
TRANNIES ON SUICIDE WATCH
Caitlyn Jenner looks like Wraith Hive Queen Nightwind
Jenner is a moron
>>5241607
There's nothing more edgy than saying "fuck you gender norms, I do what I want! pssh, nothing personell cis scum"
>>5241914
You have a condition which affects your mind. You are not in control of all of your faculties.
>>5246327
That's... actually pretty accurate.
>>5247287
Also sounds like her.
http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/news/celebrity/2015/11/10/caitlyn-jenner-glamour-women-of-the-year-awards-america
She won the 'transgender champion' award at the Glamour 'Women of the Year' awards. Not the 'Most woman of all women in the world ever ever' award like you all think. Not the 'Equally as heroic as a cop killed on 9/11' award. You are all being baited by the media, congratulations on being retarded.
Though she really didn't deserve the 'transgender champion' award as she has done fuck all but perpetuate the 'freak' stereotype when there's plenty of actually passing, non fetishistic transwoman that deserved it more.
>>5247588
Why is a tranny who "passes" better than one who does not?
>>5247674
Because 99% of the general public is superficial as fuck and will not see unpassing transwomen as anything other than men in dresses.
>"passes"
>""
Don't be that guy
>>5247708
I don't see any of them as anything but men in dresses.
If you are argument rests entirely on superficial appearance then you have to accept furries, bronies, otherkin, transracialists etc etc.
What people look like doesn't change what they are.
>>5247708
>implying this isn't a man in a dress
>>5247754
>I don't see any of them as anything but men in dresses
That's great but when a transwoman passes she doesn't look like a man in a dress by definition, regardless of your opinion on what transwomen are. Which goes a long way into normalizing transsexuals and transition in society's eyes, as opposed to presenting hulking men in dresses as the norm and screaming that we accept them as normal women like sjws do. Which isn't gonna happen.
>you have to accept furries, bronies, otherkin, transracialists etc etc
No because they don't have a legitimate medical condition for which the only treatment is transition.
>>5247886
>being filmed by news crews
>not even tucking your raging erection before stepping outside
I didn't say it wasn't lol. This is the shit I'm talking about.
The Jews picked a privileged, white, rich, famous transbian who is part of a hatefully worthless family to be the voice of trans people.
It's so retarded it hurts.
>>5247916
>the only treatment is transitioning
>suicide rates after transitioning are the same and few trannies last into their middle age
Pretending to be a woman is a waste of time. Pretending this is some kind of new civil rights fight is a waste of time. A trans who "passes" is exactly as ill as one who does not and trotting out normalish looking ones in front of a camera and trying to convince people that they are positive and should be accepted is dishonest.
We don't accept any other disease as normal and we shouldn't do the same thing for trannies
>>5248002
>suicide rates after transitioning are the same
But that's not true, trans suicide rates decrease significantly after a successful transition. They are still higher than the general population's suicidie level, though my speculation is that this is because of society's negative reaction to transsexuals, low prospects etc.
>Pretending to be a woman is a waste of time.
If it makes them happier then it isn't a waste of time at all
>Pretending this is some kind of new civil rights fight is a waste of time
Except transsexuals receive violence and discrimination for simply living their lives, especially in the third world
>A trans who "passes" is exactly as ill as one who does not
Yep
>trotting out normalish looking ones in front of a camera and trying to convince people that they are positive and should be accepted is dishonest
Maybe, but if helps improve the social acceptance of any transsexual, passing or not then fuck it, I don't care
>We don't accept any other disease as normal and we shouldn't do the same thing for trannies
Of course it isn't normal. But it is a legitimate condition for which the only documented treatment that works to a reasonable degree is transition. Find another method of treatment (no armchair science, 'just man up and lift bro' solutions pls) and then we'll talk. Chemo isn't a 100% successful treatment for cancer but we still use it because it improves the quality of life for a lot of cancer sufferers, hopefully in the future something better will come along.
>Winning an award solely because of his mental illness
If that's all it takes someone should chuck some dresses on /r9k/
>>5247886
>that dick bulge
