Waiting on the good times edition.
▶Informed Consent Providers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/932389/Trans/Stepping%20Forward%20-%20Informed%20Consent%20Clinics.pdf
▶Makeup Tutorial: http://imgur.com/a/JO33K/
▶MTF Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/36HC6ZmT (embed)
▶Trans Info Dump: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8nj_lCW27KbYBh0/edit?usp=sharing
▶Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
ctrl+f this pookie
▶Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
booger i hope you're well
▶Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge (embed)
▶HRT info: https://web.archive.org/web/00000000000000/http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
▶Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
▶Minecraft Server: minecraft.is-so.moe
Squeaky fresh thread.
>>5163267
Neat.
Persistent identities are scary so lets see how long this lasts.
t-the good times will come, I just have to be patient and work hard and the good times will come
![[Feeling intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5wCfq7w.jpg "[Feeling intensifies].jpg")
>>5163274
>>5163274
I think if I repeat this enough it might actually turn out to be true... Maybe...
>>5163254
Oh, she knows. She knew I was trans before she dated me, when I was dating her best friend in high school. And she was okay with it until I wanted to transition and go on HRT.
Now I get calls from her randomly every other week and we both sound sad to each other and she says she thinks about me and misses me and wishes I was back in her life. Then I say I'm not giving up transitioning and she says "I know" and we both oddly and quietly say "bye" like one of us almost slipped out a "love you"
It's kind of shitty actually, and it makes her look like she doesn't care about her boyfriend as much as she cares about me, and it makes me feel just as awful as when we split.
thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BDBzgHXf64
Why aren't you playing Animal Crossing mtfg? Don't you want to netflixandchill with your animal friends?
He mtfg, sorry to be sappy but i'm really glad your here.
Thanks for everything.
>>5163278
>>5163273
>>5163270
Im excited to browse this thread every night like I have been. Excited to see when you three will snap. Ill say by December 15th
>>5163278
Woo
>>5163274
25 years and the good times still havent come. A-Any day now.
>>5163270
I am not joking. This is no place for unstable personalities precisely because it's filled with unstable personalities.
>>5163285
That's two people buddy. Don't forget me.
Any suggestions on what to do for work? I work a shitty labour job right now, which is really all I'm qualified to do. I'd like to do something else that pays more, is trans friendly, and can be learned fairly easily or not cost me an arm and a leg. Suggestions for trans jobs?
>>5163279
Oh that's almost sweet - for someone not involved in the situation.
It's time to drop her like a hot potato. Picking at that particular scab will do you no good.
>>5163283
I'm glad you're here too anon. Even when I'm not here as often as usual, i think everyone here is swell and mtfg is important.
>>5163285
Probably within a day or two for me. Though by "snap" it'll probably just be a post with "sorry" twenty times and then going on anon again, so.
>>5163283
>he
wow ok
>>5163294
I remember when looking at the transition timelines in the OP used to give me hope. Now they just make me cry and wish I didn't have this hopeless life.
>>5163292
Tech support, culinary (actually scratch that, fuck culinary,) retail? Maybe? The ever popular cam whoring, actual whoring. Not much for unskilled work and transition friendly imo.
>>5163297
Ahahahaha sorry senpai.
>>5163299
I think the point here is that you should have never tried in the first place.
>>5163288
Lol I'm good, I may not be old but I've been using 4chan since I was 11, I can handle any mean words anyone here's got for me.
Fucking hell. Bed. I'm going.
>>5163288
This
There's a bunch of crazies here
Every single trip besides maybe oddish and a few others have disorders beyond gender shit. Every single one of them
Especiallyv anime shitposting dweebs
>>>5163288
>This
>There's a bunch of crazies here
>Every single trip besides maybe oddish and a few others have disorders beyond gender shit. Every single one of them
>Especiallyv anime shitposting dweebs
I think a lot of people are just getting out their frustration on here. Paints a worse picture than reality
>>5163306
How dare you!
Posting anime is girly! At least that's what overweight neckbeards believe.
What if you watched this complex and dry two and a half hour film and at the very end of it one of the main characters has sex in public with a total stranger, and when they get discpvered, no one in the crowd disperses them. What if, instead, the crowd literally cheers for the couple in slow mo and thats the end.
That would fuck me up good.
>>5163306
But oddish is just as crazy as everybody else on top of being a contrarian hipster with shit taste.
>>5163310
Anime posters are AGP desu
>>5163293
I'll check out her new pad tho
>>5163303
>andrej pejic
Fuck, I literally felt the dysphoria hit me like a blunt object.
>>5163299
O-Oh...
>>5163306
I know for a fact I went too long in repression on top of trans, on top of the bad childhood and that I'm literally insane
>>5163308
While that is partially true the frequent meltdowns and quiet insanity of certain trips make the situation far worse. A lot of peeps here seem to be at odds with reality.
>>5163315
>dat pic
I miss /k/. But I feel unworthy to go there anymore, as I am a nogunz faggot.
>>5163322
ar15 build when?
>>5163311
I'm trying to think of a reason why that would make sense and like, what if the movie was about a neet who will die if he doesn't have sex in a week
and the moral of the story is that sometimes you have to put yourself out there and meet people, so when he does that at the end you root for him like you said??
>>5163322
So is most of the /k but that isn't stopping them.
How long after a 2 month cycle of hormones will nipples and the breast area return to normal?
pic related
>>5163315
>I'll check out her new pad tho
Cold. I like it.
>>5163315
>>5163319
How about animoo images? Are they better?
>>5163332
Never ever.
>>5163322
I saw these the other day and got a little excited. I'm not /k/ but i liked the model.
>>5163328
I already have a story about a neet. He's like actually very close to legally retarded and takes all his advice on life from 4chans and at the end he tries cutting to be emo but accodentally kills himself.
I think the point of that ending would be for it to not contextually make sense/be significant, but for it to be metaphorically important. A film about liars and deceitfulness, and all the characters fall on hard times due to their lies. Except for the one character at the end who has a genuine and honest exchange with a complete stranger l, and is thusly rewarded.
>>5163329
>that song
What
>>5163322
repost
that pic
pls
>>5163332
What are you asking, when your tits will go away after stopping hrt?
The breast buds will never go away.
>>5163332
You, uh, may have a problem there, yeah.
>>5163306
the craziest thing about me besides being trans is my obsession with ramen and buffalo wings desu
>>5163342
was that an actual desu or a to be honest
>>5163326
You're a narcissisus. That's only because you're powerful though and you're actually successful. You're literally a camwhore tranny. That's crazy on its own but youre very self absorbed and vain. Whether or not you deserve to be I think you have a right to be since you're taking what you got and making it work. I can't dislike you just because you're successful. It makes the other girls dysphoric so that gets me hard and wet
>>5163344
that was a to be honest, but I guess maybe some wordfilter stuff is happening rn
>>5163346
baka senpai desu kek
>>5163333
>animoo
The only acceptable anime here is manly anime, not that you can't watch and post girly anime, but if you do you're basically admitting that your an AGP nerd who only wants to transition because their life has become so structured around shows for lonely dweebs that their standards for life are based off moeness and their dysphoria would probably go away if they stopped browsing 4chan/watching bad anime
:^)
>>5163344
Does it matter anymore
>>5163343
Get a b.a. in failure and debt?
>>5163306
actually
i wonder about the people who have legit mental illnesses, VS the ppl who are just like stunted psychologically, or are autistic or apeshit
>>5163346
oh okay I figured you mightve gone full weeb
but yes I like ramen too
>>5163351
>the ppl who are just like stunted psychologically, or are autistic or apeshit
Just say it's you. It's not like we already don't know.
>>5163349
>not liking anime
Why you bein so simple senpai
>>5163351
But being stunted psychologically and being autistic are legit mental illnesses.
>>5163351
Who do you think are mentally deranged?
>>5163349
That makes sense.
What about 3D senpai?
>>5163353
yeah don't worry, I'm not exactly much of a weeb and at this point I probably won't ever be
I just love hot, spicy, brothy soups
>>5163359
Oh so you already did this rodeo. May I inquire as to why?
>>5163359
why are you cycling off?
>>5163358
Eh, it varies. It might also mean you're AGP though, so you should probably cease transition now just in case you're doing so for the wrong reason.
goodmorning how is everyone??
>>5163365
I see. What is your opinion on weeb games? Are they an AGP indicator?
>>5163361
I just love the freshness of good ramen and I had to ban myself from eating it because I got fat
>>5163366
Hello senpai
I'm feeling nervous but happy.
u?
>>5163368
>tfw will never be cis girl
>>5163356
no stunted growth is readily fixable autism isn't a mental/psychological illness in the same way as other things
>>5163357
i would prefer not to answer that; some are obvious (so i mean, put two and two together, lol), some are not obvious and would like to keep it that way.
>>5163354
i know that your intent was to insult me, but i'm not an autist, nor am I immature or socially awkward to a degree that makes it hard for me to function; I do have mental illness yes, although i wouldn't have accepted that until a few months ago, and i have a family with a repugnant history of psychological illness so it's not really as if I'm even a special case or something, my genes are just trash
that was tmi but i wanted to set the record straight before you idiots start fostering all sorts of silly lies
>>5163358
that looks so
so weird
>>5163368
It depends, are you playing as a guy or a girl?
If you're playing as a girl then it means you're using the videogame as a way to express your dirty AGP fantasies.
If you're playing as a guy then you're not true trans as you're not using the opportunity of videogames to expres your true gender identity, so you're probably just confused.
>>5163366
tired and comfy, ready to go to bed
how are you??
>>5163375
>autism isn't a mental/psychological illness in the same way as other things
Oh god, you're not implying that a person can unlearn-autism are you?
>>5163345
>that gets me hard and wet
wAIT WHAT LOL
HOW AM I POWERFUL i mean i think to an extent i've become successful with what i do but it's not difficult to do what i do. or at least as difficult as some other jobs that pay the same. i'm not that vain though at all ;_;
Morning ladies, hope you're all doing well! This is my body without hormones, how wild of a ride am I in for? I can't wait for them to arrive desu
>>5163383
o sorry btw, lost my trip there for a sec cause of other board postinz
>>5163371
yeah im feeling pretty goood i guess ^^
what are you nervous about?????
>>5163386
you are intersex
>>5163386
Your neck looks to have accidentally
>>5163380
I hope you have a good sleep u r a good trip
>>5163386
>this is my body without hormones
I'll be the first to call bullshit on that
>>5163382
a lot of people don't take autism seriously
I've just gotten used to it at this point
>>5163386
>without hormones
uhhhh, I think you'll be more than fine anon
>>5163394
ty, I will
>>5163389
Just being a trans senpai.
On one hand Its a relief to finally understand what going on, but at the same time I don't want to tell my cousins.
I love them so much senpai, I don't want them to think of me as some weird freak.
>>5163376
Well to take Mass effect as an example I always play first as a Paragon male Shepard and afterwards, down the line, I play as a renegade female Shepard.
>>5163382
>Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior. Parents usually notice signs in the first two years of their child's life
no i'm saying that a neoroogical disorder is not the same as something like bipolar disorder, clincal depression, or schizophrenia etc etc.
>A mental disorder, also called a mental illness, psychological disorder or psychiatric disorder, is mental or behavioral pattern that causes either suffering or a poor ability to function in ordinary life.
>>5163398
i do take autism seriously i think maybe i was unclear in my statement but i did clarify, so.......
>>5163401
trip on raspberry :3c
>>5163386
So pudgy and flabby.
>>5163405
hello! <:3)~
>>5163411
I've already been to a therapist and she helped me but at this point I have to help myself
>>5163403
Hmm, it's really hard to say, on one hand you played as male the first time around(showing that you're really just a confused male), but on the other you also played as a female(meaning you're probably just AGP).
I'd say your probably trans, like 85%, but just in case of that other 15% you should detransition now.
>>5163407
Why not give it three months to see how you like being a girly boy? That ain't so long and nothing you can't get rid off easily.
>>5163390
Im guessing thats a good thing in the long run?
>>5163393
Yeah, long neck is long ;-;
>>5163395
Judgin by your response ive got a good enough base to build on?
>>5163406
I don't exercise at all and pretty much live on a diet of fizzy pop, whatever god tier home cooked meal my mum makes and random sweets lying around. Metabolism has finally caught up
hey senpai, I gotta date with a girl!
>>5163412
fair enough!!
i feel like a therapist should take you to the point where you're absolutely certain one way or another but the choice was always very clear to me.
from the other things you've said it seems like you very clearly want to transition but idk why you're scared, i mean truth be told, you can always get a mastectomy, and your dick would go back to normal after you're off hormones for a while, so i mean.......
>>5163418
oh good for you!!
>>5163386
you have a nice waist
>>5163418
A real girl or a "girl"?
>>5163366
h-hey
I'm listening to some christmas music
>>5163386
You been to a doctor about hormone issues before? Seeing an endo? You don't exactly look like you've got a testosterone-dominant body as-is.
Every time I jack off to your pictures ladies I feel like a pedophile
>>5163413
I'll have that in mind next time I play another Bioware game.
>>5163423
she's cis if thats what you're asking. We're in a certain organization together and i asked her out at a meeting
>>5163424
The only good Christmas song is Fairy Tale Of New York, and maybe that Tim Minchin one if you're feeling sappy.
>>5163415
that's what I'm doing
I wish I just could pick one and not live with regret
that'd be awesome
I could do either so easily if I just committed
>>5163431
this is just plain wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEfFlbqbbY
>>5163428
What
>>5163431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vNcGlM8O3I
bruh
>>5163431
I like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ5rI461KNE
>>5163417
Hard to judge from just pictures... Need to know how big in reference to cis girls.
>>5163421
Thank you!
>>5163425
I just turned 22 last month
>>5163426
No i've not seen anyone, I live in England and I heard its a nightmare getting to see someone on the NHS so I thought i'd just buy some hormones online and see where I go from there. I was just going to follow the prescribed dose that it says on the guide
If you don't find this attractive you need to go back to transbian general
>>5163431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3I86sGDRE
>>5163428
chasers pls go
I'd ask why we're talking about Christmas music but I've already came to accept that the holiday lasts three months now(October 1st- December 31st)
>>5163429
I'm glad I could help. I hope you have a successful detransition.
>>5163433
Also, jeez, I just realized how bad that sounded. That was not intended to be a humblebrag or anything of the sort
fuck I'm tired
>>5163444
Maybe it's a transbian.
>>5163439
i turned 22 last week
oh fuck this dumb project proposal I'm supposed to write is supposed to be one more page and I'm all out of bullshit to write what do i do senpai
>>5163445
I just cant stand it when people think that such a cynical song is most representative of christmas because christmas means a lot to me. That said it is in my christmas song playlist along with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6xNuUEnh2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ6yQgBvuoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXQViqx6GMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4Uu0OlmTg
>>5163452
That looks really good. Guess Bethesda did it again.
>>5163451
Looks like we are in the same boat kohai, I still havn't finished my personal statement for my application to university. What's your project about?
>>5163456
>Guess Bethesda did it 'again'
I'm sorry, but what?
>>5163457
it is an archival project focusing on the diaries of women who went to finishing school or colleges for women in the mid 19th century up to the 20th. My professor is a huge feminist.
>>5163458
I am saying they have another hit on their hands. Fallout 4 will be an even better game than Skyrim.
>>5163455
Christmas means something to me as well, which is better summed up by the Tim Minchin one to be honest. The rest is the sort of thing which just never did it for me, sorry. Fairy Tale Of New York is just a good song irrespective of the Christmas element, and it reminds me of Christmas with my family as a kid.
>>5163461
Yeah probably. Its going to sell like crazy. I do wonder where their buggy as games will go in the future though. Can't stay popular forever.
Sigh.. Can't sleep.
>>5163452
>tfw ywn have either figure
>>5163467
>Tfw you're closer to the left than the right. Blah..
>>5163465
Oh stop being such a bitter /v/irgin. Their games are super fun, they are not that buggy and you have a wealth of mods out there.
FO4 will certainly be better than that Undertale crap.
>>5163466
Sleep is a waste of time anyway, just stay awake forever, it's what I'm doing.
>>5163473
Honestly most of that stuff is true enough. I'm just not a huge fan of sandbox games, and there have been a ton recently. Probably still going to give it a pirate eventually though.
>>5163474
I usually run off about 4 hours a night. So 40 or so hours straight sucks, I don't really sleep in either unless I'm sick as hell.
>tfw a good 25% of followers of my blog are chasers or sissy cd scum
>>5163479
what's your blog
>>5163463
my father would trash the christmas tree nearly every year, at one point calling the angel topper evil... this was around my birthday which is on the 2nd of December
being a december child in a poor family, I rarely ever got birthday presents.
but my mum would do whatever she could to make sure we all had a regular christmas (as regular as you can ask when you have an alcoholic sociopathic psychopath as your father)
even just the sound of a christmas beetle buzzing around makes me nostalgic for a horrible horrible childhood.
Can someone repost the rape copypasta? I want to use it on some people
>>5163485
baphomew.tumblr.com
>>5163488
>Well I'll shut up about it now then.
you dont have to, I'm just saying... it means a lot
>>5163482
We have the same birthday.
#wow #whoa
That sucks though, m8.
>>5163491
I get it means a lot to you, and it means something different to me. Not sure what else there is to discuss, unless you want me to go on inconsiderately about how blandly pleasant it was for me.
Can I get a prayer from my Christian sisters here?
I just want to prayv that tomorrow is going to be a safe day and that everything turns out ok. I just want to pray for the tight money situation im in right now. I want to prayv that these young ladies decide to detransition at some point and accept how you made them god. I will always show lve to them however they need Jesus.
what did y'all dress up for halloween?
thats me on the left
>>5163497
You are fucking dumb/not funny.
>>5163499
Im not making a joke
>>5163501
That's really sad.
>>5163497
Love God, believe in Jesus, don't believe any human can tell me how to live. If being any form of lgbt is actually wrong, then I welcome my judgement, but I personally believe he thinks otherwise. Good luck trying to convince me about the box you're putting God into anon.
>>5163497
Thought jesus was dead senpai.
Would you a succubus(male)?
Just a reminder that you're all going to hell unless you detransition and repent
>>5163514
parties, you fools
>>5163512
You mean an Incubus?
>>5163512
Why would a succubus be a male that's not how it works
>>5163517
Its an incubus who get wrongly categorized as a succubus.
Just an excuse for gay shit really.
>>5163513
>implying we arent already in hell
silly anon
this life is the punishment for our degeneracy in the past lives
>>5163518
ur gay
>>5163518
>>5163517
like this
>>5163523
u fuck up your links senpai?
hi whats going on rn
>>5163523
don't call me gay and then say you like this this makes no sense
>>5163527
not gay if he's weaking a skirt
>>5163523
Lol a male is an Incubus and the female is Succubus. Unless you're talking about a fictional transsuccubus.. Or a transincubus.. Yeah I'm not feeding the troll anymore than this.
>>5163512
i want a qt boy!
>>5163516
i've never been invited to one as an adult
>>5163522
well
i mean thats how i tend to think in general, but i feel like a halloween costume would be a good excuse for me to wear something way more revealing/sexual than i would ever feel comfotable wearing otherwise, but idk
i also have this problem where ppl stare at me regardless of what im wearing so blehh
im trying to image something you could wear that would make u look masculine and im drawing a blank here,...lol
>>5163530
Hey red just gonna say but ur really hot...
>>5163534
bullshit
you think so?
>>5163535
yah shhh tho
>>5163535
I'd say you're around 98.6°. But also visually appealing.
>>5163538
Thats barely even censoring senpai.
>>5163540
It is to the nips.
>look up gillian anderson red carpet stuff for the x-files movie in 98
holy shit i cant even deal
>>5163540
its more than a lot of doujin artists do
>>5163545
You kiss butts with your butts. You know one of those butt battles people are always talking about.
>>5163545
no you post more pictures of urself
>>5163546
Visions of requiem floated in my head right then
>>5163547
I...don't have may pictures of myself that I like that don't me look like a MEGA twink
>>5163539
You have seriously been tripping for less than a day and I already hate you so much
http://www.academia.edu/8127357/Estrogen_Progesterone_Cycling_and_TS_Wiley_Protocol_Why_its_probably_right_for_All_Women_Cis_or_Trans
!!!!?!?!?!
what do you think of this?
>>5163551
ahh ur hair ur outfits ur face and ur septum are the bomb
>>5163551
Pretty qt actually.
Funny thing is my hair is about that long and I haven't even started transitioning lol.
>>5163552
Glad to be of service! Is it like a hatefuck feeling or wishing death on me. I gotta know. :3
>>5163559
Get out Attila the Hon
Choose one, /mtfg/
>>5163565
ew butt left
Ohayou
>>5163565
Chocolate
Lavender
Vanilla
In that order
I wish I didnt have a buffalo bill hairline staring back at me
I wish that weightloss was easier, and that I wasnt so weak
I wish that I wasnt a man and failing that, I wish I was dead
>>5163565
Brown. Haircut is cute. Don't like garter belts though.
>>5163575
>Don't like garter belts though.
Not even on cuties?
>>5163577
>cuties
>these hands
>>5163530
me too tbqh
>>5163577
and these dirty nails, eww
>>5163564
But China looks so plump for the taking..
>>5163577
Hips really needs to learn how to clean her nails.
>>5163579
Ignore his hand I can't crop it out
>>5163584
I KNOW IT MAKES ME SO SAD
>>5163573
kill yourself
>>5163583
Quit posting your terrible attempts at humor here and go satisfy your fetishitic urges elsewhere, sir. Please quit lusting after the girls who are half your age that post here you old creepy straight man.
>>5163577
Don't want to sound like a slut, but it covers too much skin. Pantyhose is all good though.
>>5163573
Dying isn't all it's cracked up to be
Sometimes you wake up anyway
YO YO YO YO YO WHAT UP PARTY SHEEPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEE!!!!!
>>5163593
hello anne it is quiet time not sheeple time
>>5163589
>Quit posting your terrible attempts at humor
I laughed
>>5163590
I M P U R E S L U T
>>5163597
You're awful too but at least bearable. Don't encourage him.
>>5163599
>You're awful too
>mfw
>>5163597
>impure
I'm handholdless senpai i'm pure as hell.
Unless you count masturbation.
>>5163565
>tfw no slave boy sex toy
>>5163603
thought u were gay
>>5163602
Oh touching yourself is fine
But all those filthy impure thoughts in your mind show the corruption of your soul
>>5163609
Good thing I don't secretly have a fetish for rape then senpai.
hey girls
gym was fun
my legs are sore
:3 how are we all doing
also,
>>5163590
>>5163575
garter belts are great u ingrate
>>5163606
u thought wrong
>>5163614
plz no post this i am pretty gay
>ITT Mentally unsound people being egged on by emotionally damaged people
>>5163612
we're lewd atm apparently.
>>5163613
why is everyone here hot help me
>>5163610
>Good thing I don't secretly have a fetish for rape then senpai
In that it isn't a secret?
Welp, just broke up with boyfriend officially have cut all ties from everyone in my life.
>>5163622
Quick! Get hot!
>>5163618
That isn't even a good photo
ˢᵒʳʳʸ
I feel like I shouldn't post the good one again though because I Feel like people would get mad at me
>>5163617
yes good
please continue
>>5163627
Your rape fetish, I thought
>>5163628
it's okay you're just cute
>>5163631
I'm innocent senpai, I would never get off on something so depraved as that.
>>5163633
ᵗʰᵃᶰᵏˢ ᵘ///ᵘ
>>5163627
>What happened?
Just got into an argument, the first we ever had and it just didnt stop.
I suggest a ww.
The planet is over populated and we need to thin out a few billon people
>>5163656
a-anon that was wildly off topic
>>5163652
Sorry to hear it senpai, you want to talk about it?>>5163656
Sounds stressful senpai.
>>5163613
>someone deleted the photo
oh yes, the incredibly offensive nipple
all fear the nipple
