Is it because they assume chasers are unattractive, are they insulted by the idea of chasing?
Why are sexual fetishes/preferences usually okay, but not in this scenario?
just post on /r9k/ or stop being so entitled/autistic
>>6392590
am perfectly ok with chaser so long as they are objectively attractive or have something of value for me in return, but the beta cuck uggo's that think you should give them the time of day simply because they're ok with me being trans and somehow that means my attractiveness or value is depreciated because i'm trans. nah. get out. what're you high? no. tumblrinas please go. sjw nty. if you want a tranny gf or one that passes here's how it goes: be attractive, dont be unattractive. treat them like a person. i'm fine with chasers. love 'em. fuck 'em. whatever. but those faggots that come up thinkin they can ask me to prom like my dick makes me a fellow undesirable. nah playa. i'mma fuckin' unicorn. you gotta chase that shit. get swole and make dat money. you don't get to ride unicorns when you can't even catch one.
>>6392590
please move these threads to /r9k/
>>6392612
Mostly curious, I'm not even a chaser myself.
I've seen 2 or 3 MtFs I'd fuck but those are rare and few between.
It just seems like most MtFs dont have many dating options, doesn't seem like they are in the position of being picky, unless they want to be alone forever.
>>6392669
Having to pick between being hungry or literally eating dog shit, mostly everyone is gonna pick hunger.
>>6392648
Lol.
Seems like you are a bit entitled yourself.
I'm not even arguing here that a theoretically hot tranny should settle for an ugly chaser, I'm asking why some, who obviously don't have the luxury to be picky are.
Is it them being delusional, thinking they'll somehow "pass" better in 5 years or so?
Tbh less than 10% are ever going to be fuckable.
Also I already lift soo gtfo.
>>6392669
MtF here. Currently dating 3 women and 1 man, all of whom aren't creepy chasers like you, although they are weird in their own wonderful ways :3
If one of them ends up in an ltr with me that'd be wonderful, but I'm not thirsty for it or anything.
I don't care if you're attracted to me, that's not what's creepy. What's creepy is that you're trying to demean trans women into dating you. Gross dude!
>>6392669
what you need to understand with chasers is that they aren't just of lesser attractiveness, they are actively repulsive.
ps: guys who are into trans girls but are attractive and capable of adult social interaction aren't chasers, they're just guys. Perfectly okay. You can call someone a tranny chaser, but nobody's going to be disgusted by it unless the person is actually disgusting.
>>6392612
>>6392661
>post thread on /r9k/
It's lgbt related enough imho.
>>6392648
Good elaboration on that point.
>>6392669
>It just seems like most MtFs dont have many dating options, doesn't seem like they are in the position of being picky, unless they want to be alone forever.
There are not many ciswoman, who can allow themselves to be picky either. What you really want to say is, that transwoman are more likely to be ugly compared to ciswoman. Well, there are not really many trannies out there, so it's only natural, that you have only seen a few trannies you are attracted to.
>>6392688
Are they?
If dog shit was sufficient to survive most people would eat it. Don't underestimate what people would do to survive.
Also I'm assuming chasers are otherwise normal looking people.
Is the chasing itself a dealbreaker or is what usually, but not always comes with such a person?
>>6392738
>autism
>>6392725
> Well, there are not really many trannies out there, so it's only natural, that you have only seen a few trannies you are attracted to.
I honestly think I've never seen one IRL, it was either on 4chan or that one time my country's Big Brother tried to be progressive, I don't watch the show myself because it's the literal epitome of everything I hate about reality TV culture, but my family does, and everyone talked about it.
I do agree though, a lit of CIS women overestimate their value as well.
This has become very apparent since I've started olympic lifting and tried taking better care of myself. Women who once were in my league and gave zero shits are suddenly coming on to me and all I want is for them to fuck off, because it feels a combination of demeaning and me wanting to fuck someone hotter.
I definitely can understand that a very attractive MtF might be in a similar position, since guys assume that she has lower standards.
However I was talking about the general MtF population, and some have indirectly answered my question, whether the idea of a chaser is the dealbreaker or the usual baggage, I can understand how "Nice Guy entitlement" could fit well with the chaser mentality.
Does anyone here have any experience with an actual chaser, are they common in proportion to actual trans people?
>>6392806
Do you realize what kind of shit people are willing to put up with/do to survive, no pun intended, everything from canibalism to cutting of their limbs.
I'm not even talking metaphorically anymore, once most people are near death (90%+) there is almost nothing they wouldn't do to survive.
>>6392590
Anyone romantically involved with anyone is a chaser of one sort or another.
See the reason quite a few trannies hate chasers is because they're closet chasers themselves. These are often the types of MtFs that not surprisingly end up dating eachother.
I'm >>6392725.
And I'm mtf btw.
>>6392809
There are a lot of trannies in "stealth mode" meaning only a small circle of persons know about their "male history" or even no people at all (except their physicians) - yes, some mtf's breakt totally with their lifes and begin completely new. There are even some transwoman, who live in relationships with their partner not knowing about them being trans... I wouldn't do that for my own part, but that's a different story now.
So what is a tranny chaser? I think that a tranny chaser is a person, who goes after a tranny, b e c a u s e she is a tranny. For chasers the tranny is something "exotic". There are just normal guys, who are ok with mtfs, and like them just the way they like any woman. These guys are not chasers. The thing now with the chaser is, that most mtfs - from my experience - don't want to be attractive for a guy, because of their "trannyness" - pardon for the odd expression - but because of their female attractiveness. Long story short: Most mtfs want to be treated like a woman and the chaser is not the most suiatble person for that task.
>>6392856
> There are even some transwoman, who live in relationships with their partner not knowing about them being trans... I wouldn't do that for my own part, but that's a different story now.
That seems unfeasible, unless the SO is a bit dimwitted, I mean I don't have any experience with Transwomen, but I'm working under the assumption if I had sleept with one, even if she was a literal godess even among CIS women, aren't post-op vaginas noticably different than regular vaginas, maybe if the guy was a virgin and he had nothing to compare to, but assuming you had a few women prior couldn't you tell?
Also if you dated, wouldn't the medication and a few other things standout?
Are we speaking purely theoretically here or do people who manage to pull this off actually exist?
>>6392909
I don't want to freak you out, but these cases do exist. A transwoman's vagina (a neovagina) can look like the vagina of a ciswoman, there are different methods for the surgery, who lead to different outcomes. And yes, there are vaginas of mtfs, who are "passable".
>Also if you dated, wouldn't the medication and a few other things standout?
Well, I know only of one case of a transwoman, who was able have relationship with men without them knowing. It's Caroline "Tula" Cossey. She also get her adams apple done. But I've read similar stories like hers on the internet, which sounded quite convincing to me. I cannot confirm them, though!
The thing is, that you and all other people browsing the web (and especially 4chan) about transwoman-related naturally get a tunnel view. A transwoman, who fully passes and lives completely as a woman, maybe even in "stealth mode" would never ever post a picture of here on 4chan outing herself as a transwoman. Never ever.
You propably realized that most trannies on this board, who are posting pictures of themselves, are currently transitioning and desperate for attention and/or a "neutral" view about their passability. But doing that is not the way every transwoman goes.
I mean, fuck, since I realized that I cannot suppress my mtf-feelings anymore I began constantly thinking about the best way for me to transition without harming me, my reputation or anything else in any way, shape or form. This is kinda a mean one, but I have to say it: Why would a sane transwoman post a picture of herself on 4chan? She could even become an internet meme for christ sake!
So basically, yes, these transwoman, who totally pass and maybe even live in stealth, do exist. But you propably won't recognize them.
>>6393025
> Caroline "Tula" Cossey
Was definitely an interesting read, but wasn't she technically intersex, I mean it's just nitpicking definitely, but I'm generally curious if intersex people who switch from the gender they've been raised as are even considered trans.
As for "Stealth mode". I think that's really hard to determine, I'm sure a few exist with how many people are on the planet, but it's impossible to judge if they are insignificant to the rest of the trans population or a silent but statistically noticable minority.
Also it's hard to say if good looking trans are less or more likely to post pictures, we are both working on assumptions.
Getting social recognition online is a real thing, what you say is true for some as well.
Again I think outside of a really sophisticated scientific study, it's impossible to tell.
> So basically, yes, these transwoman, who totally pass and maybe even live in stealth, do exist. But you propably won't recognize them.
Also I'm not American, I live in one of the ex-Yugo countries and the culture here is a bit different than the US, there are probably less of them here than in the US
>>6392590
They're creepy. And I would rather be alone for the rest of my life than be with a degenerate.
>>6393159
Have you met any IRL?
>>6393156
Tula was XXY, a condition called Klinefelter syndrome. Not all XXY-Klinefelters identify as woman, though. Usually they identify as men.
Yes. It's hard to tell, how many "stealth" trannies are out there.
>Also it's hard to say if good looking trans are less or more likely to post pictures, we are both working on assumptions.
That's only partly true, because I assume that good looking trannies do pass very well and therefore (i) don't need attention or "passing advice" on 4chan and (ii) don't want to get uncovered. But basically I do agree with you.
>Again I think outside of a really sophisticated scientific study, it's impossible to tell.
I googled it, but didn't find anything valueable.
>Also I'm not American, I live in one of the ex-Yugo countries and the culture here is a bit different than the US, there are probably less of them here than in the US
I'm from Germany. And I do personally know only 1 other transwoman. But I'm not "active" in the lgbt-community, I have to say that.
>>6393262
Yes, and as I said, they're creepy af
>>6392590
Chasers are annoying losers that specifically want to fuck transwomen because they spill spaghetti in front of ciswomen, or because they have some sort of creepy fetish.
I would feel the same if i was obese, and i started chatting with some guy, and then 20 minutes into the conversation he starts talking about his favorite ssbbw pornstars and then asking if i would squash him
chasers are great as long as you are the one in charge
honestly
Because, Nobody likes being looked at as a sex object, even cis feminists.
I'd imagine men wouldn't want to be looked at as sex objects either. It's very degrading and it makes you feel worthless.
>>6392590
Being trans isn't a sexual preference for most trans people. I mean there are some memes out there but, being trans isn't about sex it's about identity/gender expression and the brain/body not matching up.
So when you have level 30 wizard approaching you and saying "hey bby, I like your penis too I think it's verrry sexy" it's not different than approaching some cis girl at a bar and saying "heyy bby, I like your vagina, I think it's verrrry sexy."
Like come on, your pickup lines are shit and so are you, we're no different from the cis females you nervously babble to besides an error occurred somewhere biologically to make a mismatch between brain/body.
>>6392648
I hope you get AIDS.
>>6393327
>I would feel the same if i was obese...
Yeah but if a Channing Tatum-looking nigga chatted you up and casually mentioned he likes a woman with a bit of extra meat on her bones without being a creep about it, you'd smash. Nobody likes a creepy, ugly loser that treats them like an object. But a good-looking, charming guy that respects you? You wouldn't give two shits about why he likes you, be honest.
>>6394277
>But a good-looking, charming guy that respects you?
If he sees me as a fetish he doesn't respect me.
I would 100% prefer an ugly guy, who fell in love with me, and didn't mind i was trans.
than some super model guy who sought me out for being a chick with a dick
>>6392590
>you HAVE to take m-muh dick or no one will ever love you!!!!
>>6392703
I hope this is b8 you degenerate scum
>>6393861
I'd say its more like saying "heyy bby, I like your menstrual blood, I think its very sexy" as in, an often unpleasant and unwanted part of someones anatomical configuration.
My tranny friend is always on Grindr and she's CONSTANTLY getting guys hitting on her nonstop.
Trannies are hot shit and are in demand. The ones that are lonly or act like they cant get a date just never try really. Even old ass hag trannies get plenty of men who want to dick them.
>>6396132
Even if only 5% of guys are into trans girls, they still outnumber trans women 20 to 1.
>>6396165
True and you know it's way more than 5% with the way things are. They're in such demand even bottom guys are just putting on a dress and getting all kinds of dick.
I used to lurk /mtfg/ and hearing some of them complain about being alone is kind of cringey because you know it's because they just sit at home all day, never put on makeup and make no effort to go out and get fucked but still like to pretend dating is so hard for a transgirl.
>>6393283
> I googled it, but didn't find anything valueable.
Yeah, of course not. I think it would literally take an Orwellian-esque government entity to conduct it.
Trans make up 0.01% of the population, right
So you'd need a big sample size, which is a logistic nightmare in the first place, but doable. Secondly you'd somehow need to identify and track trans that didn't come out to their families as well as they are more likely to go "Stealth Mode" as you call it.
As in if you only tracked more well adjusted accepting families, it's not unreasonable that you wouldn't get many "Stealth Modes", you'll end up with a confirmation bias with way less of them than there are.
Soo outside of mandatory government brain scans to identify these people when they haven't even come out to their parents and GPS tracking them once they left their families, it's literally almost, impossible to conduct this study.
TLDR: We will never know the answer to how many trans in "Stealth Mode" exist because it would literally take some fucked up Orwellian shit to conduct such a study in the first place.
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Just a thought expermient I had yesterday before going to bed, generally I do agree with your post though.
>>6396200
like, if I wanted to get a guy to fuck me (assuming I completely give up my standards), I could have ten in the next day basically. Not sure why I would when I already have a boyfriend tho.
>>6392648
>or have something of value for me in return
Other than dick? I thought that was all trannies needed
>>6396215
right.. well the real point is that OP is retarded when he says tranny dating pool is "limited" which is probably just his wishful thinking.
That and the few hons here on 4chan who can't get dick are just the most lazy sacks of shit who need to stop stroking their limp tinklers to yuri and actually make an effort to put on makeup and shit.
>>6396242
>right.. well the real point is that OP is retarded when he says tranny dating pool is "limited" which is probably just his wishful thinking.
I'm pretty sure the point is that while men might fuck a tranny, or have a relationship to get the sex out, that the long-term outlook for stable relationships [i.e years on end, marriage, lifelong], are much worse.
>>6392725
>There are not many ciswoman, who can allow themselves to be picky either.
No there are lots who can choose to be picky.
>What you really want to say is, that transwoman are more likely to be ugly compared to ciswoman.
The case of a straight man accidently hitting on a tranny only to be disgusted after being told what he was hitting on prior has occurred before. So no, being almost always ugly is just one of a number of factors.
You're delusional.
>>6396239
I'm not basing my assumptions here on 4chan, although 4chan isn't some super secret society where everyone is different. It's very much reflective of what young people are into I think. Most of my friends aren't channers, of the dudes I know I'm pretty sure all of them would date a trans and several of them have said so atleast, or atleast alluded to it in some awkward way. You'd have to be really disconnected with young people to assume that less than 5% of guys would want to date a trans girl. Maybe 5% if you included women, but when it's just young people and men that number is way bigger and it's STILL much higher than the number of trans girls there are.
Trans porn is perhaps one of the fastest growing, they literally can't make it fast enough and their stars get paid alot I'm told.
>>6396228
Well that goes for everyone really.
>>6396267
well then... be nice to chasers? That's kind of loading up expectations because most young people who are straight, gay, whatever aren't looking for who they're going to marry.
Most trans girls I know don't really want that too. They wanna go sleep around and have fun. Atleast of the ones I know. One of them is dating a lawyer. I think times have probably moved forward.
I just know I don't consider myself a chaser at all but there's nothing I'd like more than to settle down with a trans girl or an effeminate guy to play wifey for me and all that stuff. It's just not in the cards for most people on ANY gender until around age 30 with the way things are.
>>6396281
Adding the young prefix is very important here + what you say might be indicative of your country, but where I live this certainly isn't the case.
Homosexuality is seldom discussed here, but transgenderidm isn't it. I don't live in any delusional bubble, you are just assuming your social environment equals everybody elses.
Out of the guys I know, none of them would date a trans chick, if nkthing else because of the stigma involved.
>>6396165
>one in every 400 people are trans
Jesus christ how horrifying
>>6396343
what country do you live in and how old are you?
>>6396348
Pretty sure this isn't true.
>>6392590
Because it's disgusting, and they're practically gay.
It really depends on how much of a chaser they are.
I think at least a lot of women, especially infertile women, are rather alone than to be with somebody they don't like.
>>6396311
I'm not a tranny. I was just pointing out that the assertion that "there are plenty of fish in the sea" is not necessarily true for trannies. Desire to fuck doesn't equal desire to settle down with.
Slovenia, 21.
>>6392590
it depends on the level of chaser i guess. as someone who's attracted purely to cis guys my dating pool is already REALLY small. most attractive cis guys, even of they're accepting of trans girls aren't going to want to date one. the thought of a guy primarily attracted to transgirls really turns me on but there's a super fine line. if they like my chick dick, cool, but a lot of guys who are into that are stereotypical neckbeard types who completely fetishize and are either closet gay or trannies themselves. im pretty much hopeless desu
>>6396400
Well wtf are you saying then? That literally goes for anyone. Everyone has their preferences and when it goes to trannies they have the best ratio out there. They've got like 20 times the fish in the sea than anyone else!
Well I'm just saying anecdotally that trannies are some of the most desired pieces of ass out there and that's gotta mean something for LTR too. Like they literally have pick of men easily and often exercise their choice too. My friend she can be like "no not him, he's not over 6'" when panning through people on OKC and I'm often just stunned at the guys she passes up. I sure as hell let her know it too and she does know she gets all the attention she wants.
It hardly means anything coming from me but go hang out on like /mtfg/ and ask them how much dick they choke on and most of them have access to an all you can eat buffet. They don't at all have problems getting an LTR going unless they're like mildly autistic and refuse to put on makeup thinking they just need to pop moans and that they'll magically turn into their yuri fantasy without any real effort (and even then they could prolly get a nice guy at their level if they tried).
I'm gonna just go out and say... Atleast in America, and in the realm of dating, I believe trannies have it prolly better than all genders if not for the fact that they can get fucking murdered by some guy who brings him home and doesn't tell him she has a little dick in her panties.
>>6396585
nigga i wanna live in this reality you're talking about because i have experienced absolutely nothing like what you're talking about
>>6396585
>Everyone has their preferences and when it goes to trannies they have the best ratio out there. They've got like 20 times the fish in the sea than anyone else!
>>6396585
this is semi-true but I only think it applies to trans girls who are passable and attractive.
I have my pick of men over 6 feet, attractive and respectable, and that's just within my preferences; there are plenty of men who aren't to my liking that I go through in spades. I've never struggled to find an appealing guy and I'm in a long term relationship.
>>6396585
>They've got like 20 times the fish in the sea than anyone else!
>Well I'm just saying anecdotally that trannies are some of the most desired pieces of ass out there
You're delusional.
The people who actually want to fuck trans women, usually want to be topped, so they don't even count.
Waaaay more men want to fuck cis women, so whenever a cis woman wants to fuck, she can just fish somebody up.
Not only that, there's only a fraction of the men who want to fuck trans women who actually want a relationship, and even less who want a long term relationship that may lead to marriage.
You are completely deluded, trans women arne't sought after AT ALL, we are the least desired group of them all (I guess it's a close call when it comes the like, crippled people... But I guess easier than for disfigured people)
>My friend she can be like "no not him, he's not over 6'" when panning through people on OKC and I'm often just stunned at the guys she passes up. I sure as hell let her know it too and she does know she gets all the attention she wants.
You think cis women can't do that? Any pretty cis woman can neglect 90% of men, and still swim in options.
If your friend is actually pretty, like compared to a cis woman, then she's comparable to a cis porn model. Most can't compare to that.
>It hardly means anything coming from me but go hang out on like /mtfg/ and ask them how much dick they choke on and most of them have access to an all you can eat buffet.
Not true at all...
>>6396703
make a profile on grindr. Put a good pic up. put yourself in the trans tribe. Then enjoy the attention like a highschool prom queen.
Look, no one your age (I'm assuming you're in your 20's) wants to fucking settle down. So I don't know what you're expectations are. I think you're just cynical or wanting some excuse for not even goddamn trying. I see trans girls out there doing just fine, then I come here on 4chan and I see wojack/frog posters crying that they have a faggy voice.
>>6392648
Sorry hon, you aren't getting shit. You're some ugly tranny who browses 4chan. You're not a unicorn, you're an ogre. Having a dick does make you a fucking undesirable, kek. Beggers can't be choosers.
>>6392590
I've come to the terms that I probably have to date a chaser. The problem is every chaser that messages me either only wants to sext or is super ugly. I'm fine with being alone if sex maniac or uggo troll are my only two options.
>>6397034
>Look, no one your age (I'm assuming you're in your 20's) wants to fucking settle down.
Plenty of people are married by 26, and usually have kids before turning 30.
I don't want a guy to "fool around with", I want an actual, real, relationship.
>>6392590
There are, in fact, a lot more men who are willing to date a preop tranny than there are chasers.
I think trannies are just spooking themselves. I'm the definition of a chaser, but I'm not some fucking monster, I don't have a single enemy and people love me, but because I like dick as well as females I'm automatically hitler.
>>6397434
>Is lying to themselves part of the tranny coping mechanism
>things chasers like to tell themselves
I've had sex with a lot of people over the years, and only a minority have been chasers, and inevitably they've been inconsiderate, painfully autistic idiots in bed.
>>6392590
Because they all have this fantasy of revealing themselves to their unsuspecting cis lover and being accepted then and there for who they are and living happily ever after.
It's disophia. Being with a guy that likes their cock makes them feel like they're not a girl.
The only way they can be happy is if they're with a straight guy who says "i love you but your penis is disgusting. Here's a bunch of money for srs, I'll marry you after you get it."
>>6394465
Seeing you as a fetish is not the same as having a fetish for something you happen to be/have. I have a metric fuckton of various fetishes myself, and I'm fully capable of seeing a woman as a person and liking her for who she is despite maybe being into some specific aspect or part of her body. Meanwhile guys with zero fetishes are fully capable or treating women as sexual objects. It's not about what you happen to like sexually, it's about whether you're an arsehole or not.
>>6392590
Most chasers are fuccbois. Some are not. The one that are not get laid. Unless they're good looking/rich/bigdick.
>>6397448
So what in your view makes someone a "chaser", if it's clearly not willingness/desire to bed a transwoman?
>>6392648
>literal men in dresses feeling this entitled
Kill yourself. You're like those morbidly obese women who expect their man to earn at least 150k and look like a supermodel.
>>6392648
> you don't get to ride unicorns when you can't even catch one
Ironic, considering that according to legend only virgins could catch unicorns, and most chasers trying to get dat dere gt are beta virgins.
I don't mind topping but I want him to stick around for breakfast, maybe lunch and dinner too. I don't feel like slutting around I'd rather a guy who wants to be together.
trannies are people too. one got me blind drunk and i woke up at her place.
fucking took my ass virginity in the night.
>>6399324
that was a man
>>6399324
I think that's considered rape, better comes to terms with it.
>>6392590
Chasers are just users, though. It's not "dating". Chasers just want short-term or one-night stuff.
Anyway, I personally don't have problems in the dating scene, and I suspect that most others don't either, after a few years of transition anywya.
