Could the US marines capture the city of Hong Kong? Assume that ALL usmc resources are devoted to capturing this 1 city. Could they do it?
Define "capture"
>>29897698
>Assume that ALL usmc resources are devoted to capturing this 1 city
lol of course. With ALL usmc resources they could do it in Day 1. Day 2 would be inventory and paperwork day. Day 3, Lance Corporals are already breaking shit and peeing on everything, everywhere, and Supply is getting pissed and reporting them. Day 5, a new MARADMIN is released, addressing new standards for urinating AND defecating while in uniform.
I think you know very little about military tactics and that's why you made this thread, so I'm not saging this time.
>>29897698
In a vaccum I would say yes as the military garrison and police force would most likely crumble in a few weeks with the force of the full marine corp and the people there seem to like the west as they had a taste of it untill the hand back in '92.
However the real world does not work like that and this battle isn't in its own little world, the city would quickly be assault by a massive Chinese land/naval force will the whole world going to hell in a hand basket.
>>29897698
if by "capture" you mean "raze to the ground"
then yes
>>29897750
sorry for the misspelling, English is not my first language.
>>29897698
The US Marines have a huge amount of borrowed capability, they would lose so much of their potential power by acting alone that I don't think they, just themselves could do it. The US Marines with the necessary capability that usually comes with them from the other forces though maybe.
>>29897698
Capture/Destroy? Yes
Hold? No. The US is notoriously bad about holding anything.
>>29897733
you forgot the rape
>>29897698
How much of it has to be left? China will destroy its own buildings, especially if its hong kong
Tbh I'm not sure that the technological superiority of the U.S. would be able to overcome the sheer numbers that the Chinese could throw at them in a defensive land war.
the army would be better suited to the task.
not trying to start a shitstorm, but the army is much more self-sufficient than the marines.
and in a situation of no help, you want the force to be as self-reliant as possible.
Easily.
Could they hold it against the entire PRC?
ehhhhhhh.....
>>29897783
that's because the army is much larger than the marines. but a lot of that size is important staff that nevertheless are 100% unnecessary for combat, let alone occupying a single city
>>29897776
by that point the nukes would be flying, so its a bit irrelevant.
>>29897793
logistics are pretty fucking important if you're capturing something.
besides, everybody goes through basic, they can all fight if need be.
>>29897796
China wouldn't nuke their own city.
depends on the roe and if you need the city intact at the end.
>>29897819
Oh yes they would.
>>29897838
>implying their nukes wouldn't burn up on re-entry or splash down in the SCS since lolcommieshit
>>29897852
If China can land on the moon I'm sure they can drop a nuke. This isn't North Korea m80, they're somewhat competent.
>>29897821
ROE is total war. You can kill as many civies as you want. The city doesn't have to survive. Just the land. (no nukes)
In the grand scheme of things, in terms of actual trigger pullers the USMC is not particularly large. You need the big green kill machine if you wanna hold something or actually take it as opposed to just cut it off and kill dudes.
>>29897860
shit, I forgot they landed on the moon.
fucking dog eating bastards.
the moon is ours, commie faggots. fuck off.
>>29897864
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then you are a few years late. You want 3-4 Iowas parked off the coast, pumping 16 inches worth of hate into the city for minimum cost/maximum flattening.
>>29897874
This. The Marines have 182,000 active personnel. The PLA has 2.3 million, they would be overrun pretty quickly and their tech edge isn't nearly significant enough to overcome being outnumbered more than ten to one.
>>29897698
Probably. The USMC is several divisions worth of soldiers. Assuming they weren't stopped by the PLAN and they could fly forces off of their ARGs, I'd bet they could. I mean, they only have the capacity to carry two MEBs as the assault echelon, but perhaps other ships could carry the rest of the division before having additional Divisions moved in. Considering Hong Kong is an island, they could probably hold it and prevent Chinese forces from retaking it.
The main problem would be air cover. If you had two or three carriers supporting the operation, it might be doable. Otherwise, PLAN and PLAAF would probably make it impossible.
>>29897762
No you're fine, very valid point imo. However, I'd imagine that they'd not actually devote all forces to securing Hong Kong and have other forces devoted to cutting off the main the enemy force. That and I'm very willing to buy the idea that the Hong Kongers would be pretty cool with kicking out the Chinese and are pretty likely to cooperate. Local cooperation is of course, essential for holding such a large place at least that's what this report says.
https://www.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/351235.pdf
The more troops devoted to combat the better. As for this hypothetical advanced guard I'd imagine it'd be much larger than the forces meant to take Hong Kong.
>>29897874
Hong Kong is on an island off the tip of a peninsula. Even if the entire peninsula is needed to be held, I figure the numbers advantage or disadvantage isn't too useful in that situation.
>>29897721
Define "capture"
Get at least 1000 armed marines into the city and keep them there for at least 48 hours.
>>29897910
That's not exactly the definition of capture.
>>29897698
>entire marine corp taken out by STD's from filipino hookers
>>29897886
It's cool anon, it was just a rover. They aren't up to the real nigga shit yet.
>>29897895
The marines are small, well equipped, well trained and have fairly awesome degrees of morale. They are not nor have they ever been viewed as a siege army however.
Some militaries are better than others on the defensive, the Marines are built for expeditionary offensive conflict. They dont have enough engineers to build the sort of fortifications necessary and their logistical chains are not setup for that sort of work.
Airborne would probably do better honestly.
>>29897914
I'm setting the bar low because I don't really think it is possible otherwise. Feel free to substitute your own, better definition for the benefit of the thread.
>>29897698
Probably not.
Considering the all out warfare shortly after U.S. does anything to Hongkong
Only the USMC?
Do the Chinese have time to set up?
If yes to both of those, no way.
>>29897860
>China
>Land
>Moon
Why was I not informed of this?
>>29897947
The Navy can help, but only a little. The Marines have to take the city themselves..
>>29897946
It's not meant to be a realistic scenario, just a thought experiment to stimulate discussion. Think of it as a video game: if you meet the instant win condition, then you win, regardless of whatever else is going on.
>>29897992
probably not. We use the marines like light infantry a lot of the time but really they're designed to spearhead invasions from the sea, they just arent set up to lay siege to a city that large and take it.
Without the US army to follow up their initial invasion, they would stall and it'd turn into a siege.
You need the US army for this op, airborne would be high on my list.
>>29897874
Assuming they stuck to Hong Kong Island they have a fairly defense-able position.
>>29897910
>>29897914
>>29897934
Assume that capture means to take the position from the opposition, and hold it for the duration of the conflict.
>>29897931
I think the Marines make sense, they only have to capture it. The hold part thought, that seems to me like a poor use of Marines.
>>29897947
We don't rightly know how they would set up or where. However, the current garrison is nowhere near enough.
If we start making assumptions about how many Chinamen will be there we loose sight of the question. Just assume that when the Chinese military mobilizes it follows its previously stated, "Fortress China" strategy. Where it's reserves are deployed reactively and its regulars are deployed to the main theater.
>>29898021
A more interesting scenerio to me, would be China vs India.
What do the russians do. What does the US do. If it stays purely India/China who wins?
>>29897698
Any international intervention excluded, I have no doubt. I'd bet money that one MEU with off-shore air support from a carrier battle group (you can call me for moving the goalposts a bit there) then absolutely no question. It's a coastal urban AO, which is essentially what the USMC has been (urban) focusing training on. Also its a water to land invasion by the most well/worst equipped/ fiercely trained ooh rah gung ho bunch of motherfuckers. my money's on the teufeul heunden
>>29897989
see
>>29897921
>>29897860
It was just a rover. Your burgers are safe.
>>29898059
Russians would provide covert support to Indian anti-US factions and openly support ChinkOps. US would suck indian loo poo cock and send so much moeny aid and training and shit, as well as dank CIA ops to countereact the russian covert efforts against american interests in the region.
Purely chink-poo? chink no question. manpower (functional mil not straight nat'l poplation numbers) and more operational equipment. plus, shitty thought it may be, domestically made equipment. oh and fucking cyberwarfare btfo
and subs. damn
>>29898072
Fuck that, any piece of communist filth touching American soil is an act of war and Obama is a cuck for not sending a space drone to blow that thing up and nuking every chinese city with more than 10,000 "people".
>>29897793
I don't think you quite get how much the US Marines lack compared to other forces, they are actually the lowest funded per soldier due to using so much of the other forces capacity. It isn't just about the size either.
>>29897766
>The US is notoriously bad about holding anything.
US Army*
>>29898071
An MEU is only a single battalion landing group. You want at least a full MEB, or Brigade strength.
>>29897910
Simple, send 1000 of them on working holidays and tell each of them to buy a knife.
Captured.
>>29898098
I get the feeling that the Indian navy would absolutely wreck the PLAN, but otherwise the chinks would definitely own the ground game.
>>29898140
Best post, kek.
>>29897766
holding is bad for anyone
US has held more than anyone else
>>29897698
why not just GLASS it?
>>29898157
Why do you get that feeling.
>>29898213
Their surface fleet seems a lot better developed than the Chinese. Also, chink shit does chink shit- it breaks. But of course neither navy has really been tested, so who the fuck knows.
>>29898202
>tfw have a piece of trinitite in room right where i can see it
may be touristy bullshit, but still, feels good man
>>29898253
damn i'm jealous as fuck
>>29898202
It would reduce the pollution...
>>29897796
not this fucking shit again
yeah WW1 will be over in a week!
WW2 will be over in a month!
>WW3 will be over in 15 minutes!
That's how wrong you are.
They will make us fight in the fucking radiation.
>>29898278
>They will make us fight in the fucking radiation.
not if there's nobody or nothing left to fight with, retard.
>>29898294
there aren't that many fucking nukes
no, but it sounds like it would be fun to watch.
>>29898296
Yes there is.
>>29897698
>Take over hong kong
>Loyal chinese residents set up a shanty town in a local park
>US military restarts Kei tak due to proximity to city
>Kowloon city restarts
>Insert glorious gif.
>>29898329
and if you aren't able to completely remove the enemy's leadership, and ability to communicate with military forces, the war will continue even after an ICBM exchange
>>29898157
The Chinese have never successfully supplied troops afield, or even in country. during the ice storms around 2005, they mobilized a bunch of the army and something like more than 5 thousand froze to death because they lacked basic winter gear and training.
I have severe reservations about the ability of the Chinese to maintain a logistics chain much less in the quality of their officers. The Indians aren't much better but they do have a number of land passes which would be easily defended by either side.
If you told me the senior officers of the Chinese military were there due to political connections, and absolutely could NOT work together at all? I'd believe it.
India also seems closer to Russia these days.
I think it'd be cool if we had a super power bro, china over India preferably.
>>29898235
You know they do have the Brahmos but that's all I see them having. They're smaller and have a shit sub-fleet.
>>29897698
Very few of them are armed. The police have six shooters so a surprise attack would be very devastating. Once most the people are evacuated and the Chinese military digs in it woild be a vicious fight. China would likely avoid air and artillery strikes, in attempts to preserve infrastructure. The Marines would just bomb the shit out of everything (if that's allowed). If no bombs then there's no way, it'd just come down to a numbers and morale game. They would absolutely swarm our forces.
If it was some foreign supplied insurgency, still no. I've been there, everything is in 3D, so many buildings, streets on top of streets and just seas of people. It would take near a decade to clear every building,, every business, every subway station, etc. and you'd better believe they'd be dedicated to the fight, as they'd feel very wronged.
>LHDs gets splashed by IRBMs in the desert
No way
>>29898430
I think the poos have more tonnage. Nobody gives a single fuck if you got 100 one gun wonders.
>>29898489
>implying numbers of irbms to splash LHDs
Wew lad.
>>29898157
I feel it's the opposite. The PLAN is VASTLY better than the Indian Navy. In the realms of the Army, they're closer.
>>29898508
>Implying LHD CIWS is going to stop even one BM
One IRBM for each, and the chinks have far more than 9 vehicles.
>>29898531
Oh, you are under the impression the US marines own ships. This is false. With that logic the marines will never make it off their bases in the US.
>>29898531
>implying LHDs are alone
Mate, they have at least one ship with them. They're deploying a "Up-Gunned ESG" soon enough, which has three escorts. That's CSG levels of defense.
>>29898501
I'll just look it up. I know the Indians aren't total rubbish, but against China. We often see the Chinese attempting to compete with the States. If they can't even compete with the Indian Navy then against the Americans what hope have they got.
Lets see...
Yep just a google and bingo.
https://www.quora.com/How-good-is-Indian-Navy-in-comparison-to-Chinese-Navy
The Indians are outnumbered and out gunned, don't get me wrong, it's not the worst out gunning of them all, but it isn't good by a long shot. Regardless they're closer to them in pairity than they are with pic related.
how many HQ-9s does china have on the island?
Depends on who they're fighting.
There are probably more Chinese soldiers than the US army has ammo.
>>29898657
But how many Chinese soldiers would be there? Hong Kong's an island.
>>29898679
>Hong Kong's an island
:-|
>>29898761
If you want to include the northern peninsula, sure. Besides, this is an imageboard. Emoticons are not sufficient to convey your reaction.
>>29898679
Hong Kong is a spit-distance away from the main HQ of the Guangzhou Commandery. Which is set up there to divert many Southern Chinese units to Hong Kong back in the cold war.
Fucking enjoy facing major military presence.
>>29898816
You gotta use your head. You insert two MEBs into Hong Kong itself. Perhaps not even that, and you insert them on the peninsula. Then, air from the LHDs and LHAs interdict train and road movement. Never doubt the power of interdiction. This gives time for at least the rest of the Division to land. You aren't fighting the entire Chinese Army. At most you're fighting 4 divisions, more immediately two, with a single division, while controlling a front which a single division could easily hold and cannot be flanked around. Accounting for the fact that the US troops are likely qualitatively superior, I think they'd be able to hold, or at least delay them sufficiently for more Marines to be landed.
>>29897767
It's really just the blacks that rape
Called spreading cultural enrichment
Anyways: US amphibious doctrine is extremely lacking
What would actually happen is the marines would try to helicopter troops in, get shot down, then they cancel the whole operation
Even if they did land, they have no practical way of deploying heavy vehicles and no practical way of supplying the troops
>>29899211
>what are landing crafts
>what is the AAV
>>29899211
I was an 0311, not sure if that makes me any more qualified to answer or not.
I'd say definitely. Hell I bet 1 Division could do it (send 1st Marines/ best Marines). Its just going to be a bunch of gooks running around everywhere. Now when China starts to bite back after we stormfuck it that'd be another thing.
Wed need the power of our Navy Bros shelling the coast and providing resupply as well as evaccing and helping with wounded.
>>29898276
And also the air pollution!
>>29897819
Explain battlefield 4
>>29899214
Next time you think about making a post just kill yourself instead.
>>29899214
>>29899267
Well I'm an idiot, replied to the wrong post.
>>29898329
china has a grand total of ~280 nukes, less then France. their nukes are for bullying their neighbors, in a MAD scenario they'd be creamed.
>>29899231
Do you see the extremely large number of LCAC's? It'll take them weeks to deploy those forces
The transport helicopters would be unable to be operated against any defences whatsoever, they also can only transport infantry.
Really theres no conceivable opponent that these MAGTF could beat.
>>29899376
low number*
>>29897698
BUMP
Is this real? Of course. No problem
>burgers
>winning a war
Who would win?
A nation of over 300 million people
Vs
Some guys with old Soviet weapons and IEDs?
>>29897899
>soldiers
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>29898107
>"people"
kek
>>29899376
Yeah, sure. The LCACS could bring in all the armor in 3 trips, the artillery in 4. That's only the work of roughly 12 hours. And the helicopters most certainly could be used in the face of defenses, although ideally you'd land in a spot where there are no defenses.
