Why can't pro-gun states all secede and form their own union?
Gun grabber or not, Americans need to stay together at all costs. Have you forgotten the Gettysburg Address?
>>29544471
I wish. Meanwhile we are going to get Shillary and whites are going to be a minority in 2044. I don't see gun rights lasting as they are in the next 10-20 years. Secession is really the best way if you think about it hard enough.
Putin already said he would support secession, China will likely do the same as well.
With that and assuming that at least 20-30% of the military defect and join the seceded unions military taking their equipment with them, I think we'd have a fair chance.If not, at least we died fighting for our rights instead of becoming like Bongistan or Ausfalia living on our knees.
>>29544475
Nah not really. I want another union without the leftist and gun grabbing cancer. One that doesn't trample on constitutional rights.
>liberals think they would secede and make a paradise of noguns, weed, and social benefits for everyone at no cost.
So what's to stop the south or any other states from just invading and taking the liberal state's land for resources?
>>29544501
I think that's exactly what should happen.
Let them secede then invade them once they disband their military.
Now they become conquered territory and not citizens.
KEK
>>29544496
I'm a northerner and I would fight on the secession side. Stay mad libtard gun grabber.
>>29544471
Can't we just kick out Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York City, and Washington D.C. from the United States of America?
>>29544501
Because their government would still have an army. Libs want the citizens, not the government, to be disarmed.
>tfw no alaska-arizona-texas-wyoming-montana-idaho-utah union
>>29544532
Rest of south can join when they deport their nignogs to the north.
>>29544508
>once they disband their military.
I doubt they would do that.
The smarter ones will realize that they still need men (and women, and trans, and nu, and etc) with guns because their fucking ideology is non-sustainable, unless humans just throw away all manners of conflict and individuality.
So they'll have their military.
But the general population won't have guns, so it'll really just be the military that'll pose any threat. Let's not forget that while their society will focus on all the progressive shit, the other regional states will probably be much more militaristic.
>>29544516
We should severely limit their political power. The Senate is the only reason we're not fully cucked like Europe, because less populous rural states get equal representation. We should just ditch the house of reps entirely. Democracy doesn't work when the majority are idiots.
>>29544516
Make them special economic zones or some shit. That way they can have all the retarded laws they want and the rest of the state(s) can be free. But no, that will never happen because these assholes think they know how everyone should have to live.
You wanna fix the country without seceding? Term limit congress and repeal the 17th amendment. Won't magically fix everything, but will put us the right track.
>>29544471
>mfw Ontario doesn't get lumped in with the other great lakes
Better idea:
Instead of seceding, and leaving the gun grabbers in their shit areas, why don't we exile them instead? This is America, the Constitution is the highest law of the land.
If those gun grabbing fucks don't like the 2A being in the Bill of Rights, they can all just fuck off out of America, and go find their own shit country to fuck up.
>>29544861
Think I'd rather stay out of the American warring states period personally. Some things to be said for universal healthcare also.
>>29544777
>when democracy doesn't go exactly how I want it, it doesn't work!
Oh come on, I'm not a librul but you pretty much sound like an whiny baby when you talk like that.
You fuckers realize that you are just as bad as the liburlz if you want to do shit like these idiots
>>29544508
>>29544777
>>29545603
You mean "literally rob the working class at gunpoint to give free healthcare to the ultra rich and criminals"?
I'll pass, thanks.
>>29544514
Good, and when NYC becomes the capitol of your new country, have fun having all your liberty and money stripped away little by little.
>>29544777
Relax bernie, thats not how we do things in America. I know you idolize Stalin but you need to grow up.
>>29544471
Who gives a fuck about guns on the grand scale of things. Ian gilded in the golden crest of freedom which so many have given so much for, and fuck anyone who would throw it all away. Talk of secession can actually be considered advocating treason, and I'd gladly fire on such people.
>>29544819
Like Russia does? For instance Crimea is a federal district and city Sevastopol is its own.
>>29545687
NYC can burn.
t. 585
To be honest it's a shame the Confederacy fucked the idea of splitting up the USA forever.
Splitting up and re-uniting as a confederacy would probably benefit everyone. More liberal states could be more liberal without conservative states holding them back, while conservative states could be left to their own devices too. Meanwhile military strength, etc, could be maintained by the confederate government.
(I'm looking at this from a similar perspective to my favoured scenario for the breakup of the UK, not as a neo-confederate in the traditional sense. With Scottish independence still hovering at about 50% support it's not improbable the UK might split, and if that were to happen a "mini-EU" relationship between Scotland and the rUK would be preferable for everyone in the short-mid term: maintaining stability while leaving Scotland "technically" independent with their own place at the UN, etc, and with more domestic control than current devolution.)
>>29544516
No we need to kick their asses and pull some German tier shenanigans to reclaim these once great American cities back into proper non-degenerate American clay.
Those no guns only have some armies and little actual warfighting stockpiles because yuppies don't like bomb and missile depots in their backyard for some reason.
>>29544777
You fucked up.
House of Reps is why we aren't fucked. They have the biggest chunk of 'progun' conservatives congressmen in the government right now.
Senate has always been dicey.
>>29545686
Because the ultra rich benefits more from free healthcare than the working class, right?
>>29545709
Fuck off you bootlicking bastard.
Everybody has a right to secede.
>>29545709
>fires on peaceful seccessionist rally
>gets thrown in jail by tyrannical governmwnt for scawy assawt weapon
>eats tyrone's asshole in jail.
LOL
>>29545686
If you're doing universal healthcare properly, the rich won't use it even though they're entitled to it because private alternatives will exist.
Even if those alternatives are only minutely better than the government service - not even better medicine, just better branding etc, then rich people are going to make use of that instead.
You want a national service to give a baseline, then private care for rich people to pour money into.
>>29545648
>>29545670
>>29545707
Notthatguy
I just want to point out that Liberals are more than willing to throw away freedom in return for "free" stuff and feelings of security. Just feelings. And that's not just their freedom, it's everyone's. So it just makes sense to give them what they want by taking away their freedom, and leaving the freedom of everyone else alone.
But at the end of the day giving a government that power is no good.
>>29545737
>>29545754
I wish the secessionist and other 'region based organizations' used that spirit of independence and turned instead toward turning other parts of the world into American enclaves exactly like the Filibusters who set up a buncha little American-style republics in the West.
Like if there was a Neo-Confederacy or some Golden Cirle Empire in Latin America filled with hundreds of millions anglo majority colonists after like 200 years of development or something. Or a Canadian-American hybrid Arctic Union that would dominate the Northern Hemisphere. Or some futuristic artificial Oceanic States American successor that would be made on stupidly massive artificial islands and massively expanded little rock islands turned into large country sized territories each if terraforming and really rich Americans decided to pull a lebensraum out of their tax haven islands.
I know it sounds crazy....but can't a nigga dream?
We don't need secession. We need revolution.
t. living in a pro-gun yankee state
>>29544819
Yeah make them city-states. I'd even let them have their own representation in congress (like Puerto Rico) but the laws passed in their city stops at the city limits.
>>29545762
No, it would go very poorly for you.
>>29545794
>Like if there was a Neo-Confederacy or some Golden Cirle Empire in Latin America
There's a Confederate colony in Brazil somewhere.
>>29545736
>I'm a Northerner and I want to secede!
>But fuck the largest most economic city in the north!
Can't have it both ways, m8
>>29545826
Well maybe a few rebel civies get shot and your ass would get prison raped.
Assuming of course they just don't return fire and break out the old noose ;^).
Just let the guberment handle it pussy, its what you want anyways.
Here's a crazy idea, fellas...
How about states... have the power alloted to them in the constitution! Crazy, right? The federal government wouldn't be the hub of regulation and universal legal structure, so states could develop policies by their own smaller population! Cali could be a commie shithole, and the south could be free as fuck!
Nevermind that all the businesses would move out of the states and the leftist populations would get even more desperate...
>>29545836
Yeah but they went full native instead of full TEXAS 2.0, Amazon Boogaloo.
South America with the right governments and more European immigrants could have been amazing today had their leftist governments ruined what were otherwise very promising and budding republics.
>>29544475
Texas is pretty much the only state that can withdraw from the Union whenever it wants. It was part of the agreement when it decided to join the US. Too bad we can't road infrastructure for shit though.
>>29545860
Fuck that, it lets commie shitholes do what they want and continue to poison the shit out of the rest of the country with their disgusting 'values'.They need the hammer brought down on them and have their shit kicked out of the fucking USA before their leftist agenda self destructs their own territories and leave us free staters to clena up their mess.
TL;DR they wanna live like a socialist, then they can fuck off to a socialist country.
>>29544777
You mean the Supreme Court is the one making sure your not getting cucked out of your constitutional rights.
>>29545886
Obviously that's preferable, but if we can't stop them from converting the whole country, it's better for us to quarantine them. Plus, as mentioned, businesses will flood to free areas, and we will enjoy crazy growth with little unemployment... while they get... Hollywood, I guess?
>>29545906
>businesses flood.
Errrgh anon those 'businesses' are the same yuppie shits who ruined their own states.
And btw, I live in nanny state California so I know for a fact this shit never stops, and you don't know how many other Califags I know who are going to free states like Texas or Arizona but still say their gay ass shit like 'you have to be PC' and 'you don't need black guns'. Arguably a lot do convert to proper gun loving americans just in general as part of the resurgence of gun culture of America but these liberal satists flooding into Free States are already beginning to fuck up their hosts, like Austin in Texas and Richmond in Virginia basically turning those once proud areas into blue Soccer mom liberal shitholes.
>>29545836
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados
That's pretty neato
>>29545796
This.
>>29545839
Don't want to. I'd rather be poor and free any day, friendo.
>>29545839
He's saying he'd fight for the south or the pro rights faction of the rural-urban conflict that a civil war would look like.
>>29545794
>tfw 2nd American civil war will be between the United States of Earth vs some or all of its many many space colonies
>tfw there will never be the 5 billion star flag of the United Stars of America.
>>29545944
Most businesses aren't the young bullshit buzzfeed-ass companies that probably wouldn't move anyway. We'd be getting more machining and chemical industry shit that lives on margin and doesn't feel tied to the culture of a state. And when that happens, other companies will move in to ease up supply chains.
The young techy startups have fewer reasons to move, since they're mostly those heartthrob idealists anyhow, but even if they do, they'll have to submit themselves to rougher state laws.
>>29545875
You know we signed that away when rejoined the union back in 1873, right?
>>29545902
For now...
>>29546073
Well I have been misinformed. Oh well, one day comrad.
>>29546061
I see what your getting at with regards to primary and secondary businesses like manufacturers moving to other states but I have to vehmenently disagree with your techy startup viewpoint. Because I work in the tech industry in Norcal and those tech buzzfeed types are the VERY SAME libards that flood the tech industry. Which btw is still less horrible then the straight up unemployed coffee shop liberal arts masses going to where they think they can find work. Who also flood the city.
I have to ask what state do you live in right now? Because it might explain if you don't live in an area that most of the liberals are emmigrating to, like for instance rural idaho or oklahoma or something.
The rice niggers did it...
I dont see the issue.
Russia would be dropping us free ak74s and who knows what else, to pay the Feds back for decades of "moderates" and color revolutions and "pro democracy freedom fighters"
>>29546126
Their country is now a brown 3rd world shithole about to get ass raped by chinamen.
Instead of some White Majority almost 1st world American holding with a shitload of US Navy ships and icbms all targeted at Beijing. Aka Hawaii on steroids times 100.
>>29544471
>leave the union
Better yet, destroy the union. Fuck this shithole
>>29545902
constitutional rights don't exist
the constitution has clauses that ensure the government shall make no laws violating or disrespecting the natural human rights implied. rights aren't granted to you by the constitution, but it ensures they aren't 'revoked'
Ince you Confederates secede... Can you liberate Puerto Rico? Please? I'm sick of these socialists running my people over, and shitting on our constitutional rights. Many of our people are pro gun and we want to remove the dindu cacos and exile the fucking Dominicans taking our jobs. We're busy with a court battle to get it back to Federal Minimim and chances are that its going to be taken to the Supreme Court. Just free us from these Socialist Oligarchs. I'm tired and fatigued from protesting and fighting.
>>29546154
Guam and Samoa are shitholes despite being under you guys.
And we had the same status as those places (Unincorporated territories of the US)
>White Majority
Kek, even under American rule not many of Americans settled in the Philippines. It was too Catholic for the likes of you to handle. And what was 1890's-1930's but WASP as fuck, tuck-your-shirt-in-your-pants America.
>Search Cascadia
>Zero replies
I'm disappointed, /k/
>>29544486
>whites are going to be a minority in 2044
Literally how does this matter
>>29544471
>Why can't pro-gun states all secede and form their own union?
Because america's biggest strength is our control of a continent and only 2 and a half borders.
Fragmentation is not in america's best interests.
Revolution/civil war is the answer, not secession.
>>29546104
Georgia.
I'm actually agreeing with you about tech industry being a shitty liberal fuckfest. But I'm also suggesting that they're less likely to move given that they usually don't manufacture anything and have a disproportionately high median salary. They'll continue to lib it up where they live because it's few people making larger sums--and they have little environmental or space requirements. They can sustain operations in a lib state.
But production companies or companies with larger US staff won't fare well with their new laws, and those are the ones we want to move. More jobs with more consistent employment and training capabilities. They're the ones driving real estate.
>>29546275
Do you not understand how imported voters and non-whites vote?
The founding fathers had it right:
if you have no interest in the maintenance of the republic, you should not be allowed to vote.
>>29546275
Because minorities are led by corrupt rich people. Corrupt rich people want to disarm the populace.
>>29545687
NYC is unwelcome. At least in my idea of the NE Union
Fuck on outta here, with my eye holes
>>29546209
Huh, no kidding?
>>29546275
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=307693&fileId=S0003055405051579
>>29546104
>>29546315
Also worth noting that the tech bubble may be about to pop again anyway. Half of the big Silicon Valley companies don't even have any revenue, and the other half earn most of their money by selling ad space to each other. That which can't go on, won't.
>>29546216
That was cause we didn't feel like going full imperialism and genocide. Also there were rebellions in the phillipines. Same reason with Guam and Samoa.
If we for instance told the tens of thousands of white troops who occupied both islands to settle or straight up turned the entire islands into military controlled colonies, they'd be a lot whiter.
Its about lack of will not lack of resources of ability
>>29544471
Technically they can try if they want, but there obviously isn't a particularly strong want or need otherwise people would've got the ball rolling already. 1 in 4 isn't exactly a majority.
And even if they did secede, then what? Are all of society's problems fixed? Why stop at the state level? Why can't individual counties secede and form their own union? Cities? Towns? Villages? Townships? Family units? Individuals?
>>29546275
The great majority of hispanics, blacks and asians vote democrat and suport gun control.
>b-but my mexican friend likes guns
Exception and not the trend.
>>29544471
>>29544492
>gun rights
>a reason to form a new country
Gun rights are nice and all, but unless you own a weapon manufacturing company, shop, or range, you really need to reconsider your priorities, holy shit.
>>29546848
Who was talking about genocide? We're talking about plain "moving into new territory" like the Hawaii example.
Majority of White Americans weren't at all interested in moving in the Philippines because it was too alien. The few that did and some of whose descendants are still around have Irish/Italian last names on them.
>>29547175
>Why stop at the state level?
Don't.
>Why can't individual counties secede and form their own union? Cities? Towns? Villages? Townships? Family units? Individuals?
That's the dream.
>>29548269
GIT TAE FUCK
>>29548326
>GIT TAE FUCK
Again, reconsider your priorities. You are either too young to post here or basing your life on some childhood fantasy that has zero application to real life for 99.99% of all middle class and up adults in the US.
>>29544501
the pro gun states wouldn't be allowed into those states in the first place after they are declared no-gun zones.
>>29544471
>Actually supporting secession.
Short-sighted and ultimately fatal for anything resembling what the United States was intended to be.
House divided. When it's rotten to the core, you don't saw it in half, you renovate.
>>29548326
>That's the dream.
Take an economics class. 101 will do. There are two concepts you are missing. One starts with "economies" and ends with "scale" and the other starts with "division" and ends with "labor".
>>29548382
It's one thing to say that there's an optimal size for a polity and in a competitive market for governance you'll see most suppliers end up at that size whatever it is. (I tend to think it would be a good deal smaller than the status quo ante, but that is after all an empirical question.). But it's quite another to prohibit entry by new firms into the market.
>>29548365
Then it shouldn't bother them if we want to secede, should it now?
>secession is dangerous!
>literally dozens of dorks in mom's basement
Pick at most one.
>>29548371
Fuck of yankee scum
>>29548382
> You can't accept a lower standard of living in exchange for political freedom! REEEEEEEEEEE
>>29548468
>You can't accept a lower standard of living in exchange for political freedom!
>tfw I'll pretty much do this anyway by choosing a lower-paying job in Arizona or Utah over a higher-paying job in the commie states
>tfw based Ian did this and built his own off the grid house to boot
Seriously, what is it with people acting like everybody just NEEDS the latest 'n' greatest, the McMansion in the nice neighborhood with the two Lexuses in the driveway?
>>29548468
>Fuck off Yankee scum
GET FUCKED. You have ZERO fucking comprehension as to what I am saying.
YANKEE? Fuck YOU.
The problem with this country is solved by RENOVATING THE HOUSE, not bailing out and Balkanizing so that we can be raped to death by foreign snakes.
>>29544471
I just don't understand why pro gun states don't recognize other states CC licenses when their CC license is recognized in that state.
>>29544471
Minnesota tried to split in half and join with Northern WI and the UP of Michigan in the 80s
Fuck Minneapolis, Madison, and Detroit
>>29548521
>raped to death by foreign snakes.
Uh, so what do you think would actually happen? North Korea invades, or what?
>>29548558
>North Korea
Are you retarded?
>"Putin would support a secession."
NO FUCKING WAY? I WONDER WHY.
>"China would too."
BEWILDERING.
>>29548521
House is way too fucking big, takes up too much ground and too many resources to maintain.
You're living way beyond your means, america. You shouldn't bend over backwards just so you can keep living in a mansion.
>>29548584
So that means we should just bend over and let foreign influence poison us with toxic offers like "sss hey we'll give you guns if you want to secede."
>>29548575
OK, so let me reiterate: what do you think would actually happen? Chinese/Russians invade and set up a totalitarian occupation government? Or the secessionist states stay independent but are friendlier towards China/Russia in terms of trade + international jockeying than current USG? I think the second is a) plausible and b) not terribly objectionable.
>>29545709
>Who gives a fuck about guns on the grand scale of things.
I do because I value my rights. Fuck off tyrant.
>>29548370
Check mate gun nuts
>>29544471
Because succession requires the convent of the HOR and Congress. Just ask Texas.
And you know they would get blown the fuck out by any military force, because the rest of the country would be butthurt over it, and attack whoever succeeded.
Just ask Texas.
>>29548615
>Chinese/Russians invade and set up a totalitarian occupation government?
Russia doesn't have the means or desire to do that, they know that would not work.
China wouldn't either. It's not feasible.
>Or the secessionist states stay independent but are friendlier towards China/Russia in terms of trade + international jockeying than current USG?
More like supplied and equipped by both and more or less used as a proxy state to fight the USG the same way things are going in Ukraine.
Both are absolutely fucking unacceptable scenarios.
>>29544471
>tfw the Rockies, Plains ,and South West will never form one a union.
>>29548269
Guns are life nigga
>>29544471
This is how civil wars are started.
>>29548662
>Russia doesn't have the means or desire to do that, they know that would not work.
>China wouldn't either. It's not feasible.
I agree.
>>29548662
>More like supplied and equipped by both and more or less used as a proxy state to fight the USG the same way things are going in Ukraine.
This I don't know about. It's possible, but it seems much more likely that things would settle down once independence had been achieved. War is expensive, and like you say, if Texas or whatever decides to broker a ceasefire in order to start selling semiconductors to the rump USG it's not like China will be able to invade and install their own government. I also think USG wouldn't be willing to fight an all-out war against aspiring independent states, and this potential pitfall is mostly avoided if a peaceful dissolution or a return to something like the Articles of Confederation can be achieved.
West
>fuck of southern cali
>Cascadia
>>29544471
Listen, the only way to change the current way our faggot brothers/sisters who want to vote for hillary/bernie is to let them do it, and immediately regret it. It would cause enormous repercussions, almost to the point of Argentina circa 2001. In fact, I think its a good idea to vote for Bernie, and let our country get to the point of riots, succession, and general disobedience from liberals and Republicans alike.
>libs vote in Bernie
>find out they are actually paying for college anyway
>#marchonwashington ensues
>every lie comes out
>literally everything they said was a lie, we're now as bad as the eurocucks
>America is dropped into chaos
>reemerges as a great nation again
Its honestly the most feasible, and reasonable response to anything, not trying to succeed from a shit government just because we made ourselves shitty. We need a crucible at this point.
>>29544777
>The Senate is the only reason we're not fully cucked like Europe
Actually, that's wrong.
The Senate is far easier to turn into Democrat control than House of Representative districts. You can gerrymander districts to keep them Republican for 10 years. You can't gerrymander entire states.
Even without gerrymandering, the House of Representatives give more voting power to conservative rural areas. Most Senators just want to win cities with large populations.
>>29548735
>accelerationism
I can get behind this desu, although I would prefer another few years to stock up on funz and ammo first.
>>29545875
What? Texas infrastructure is better than almost every other state.
>>29548244
That has actually changed in 2015. Because of the cops shooting minorities AND the terrorist attacks, that has actually changed all minorities (as well as whites) + millenials into pro-gun territory for a variety of reasons.
A majority are also against banning assault weapons now as they are concerned about protecting gun rights.
The only demographic this does not apply to are hispanics, and we're not sure if it's older or younger or both that are still anti-gun.
ABC and CBS recently did polls as well as Gallup confirming this new fact in December 2015.
That shit is so old.
>>29548716
The coastal area from San Francisco to Los Angeles are really the only problems in California.
If you look at the cities and towns surrounding them, you can actually find Republican mayors and city councils even down in San Diego.
>>29548818
Isn't it also getting swamped because of too many people now?
>>29548925
Based Duncan Hunter
>>29548895
This is tho, if Hillary gets elected on these ignorant wing SJW votes, she will have a mandate to attempt something. Perhaps it will fail, or they will choose to spend political capital another way, but the possibly of something happening is there.
She has nothing to offer her base that doesn't conflict with her corporate backers other than
>LGBQTC workplace/commerce rights
>gender pay gap
>Gun legislation
>>29544471
>succeed because muh gun rights
>proceed to shit on the rights of other people because only my rights matter
Why is this country such a shit show?
>>29544471
>one in four people are retarded
well look at that
>/k/entuckian
>top three likely to secede
Remove carpet bagger scum.
shit yorker go home.
>captcha is all pick up trucks
murica.
>>29545875
What? I thought that no state can ever secede for any reason. As in no matter how much a state says they aren't part of the US, they still technically are. Or am I misinformed?
>>29548807
Is there a Central California version of these?
>>29544471
You cucks can keep Kentucky and West Virginia
Sincerely, random anon from Tennessee
>>29546237
I certainly wish we could, especially if Alaska went along for the ride.
>>29549423
No, but there's pic related
>>29550226
And also pic related but it's not very fun.
Oh and there's also this
>>29544471
Are you ready to give up all your money? Because you are no longer in the United states.
Also new taxes, new laws, Your land might not even belong to you anymore.
Plus the Us government is no longer pouring money into those states so it can only survive on its taxpayers alone, and its own power, its own connections, its own gas, And it now has the US looming over it, staring down anyone who wants to be friends with its former States...
>>29550226
>weed
Every time
>>29550461
Assuming a clean, peaceful break and not "Sherman's March 2: Fuck Your Alamo".
>>29550517
is there any other way for it to happen in this day and age? It would never come to a decisive enough vote... The only way i could see it happening is if it was decided in secret and those states just seceded... And even then you can expect a flash flood of people trying to leave the new "Country, and even some trying to enter. It'll be the kind of chaso that new government would use for shady shit like stealing land, money, assests etc. in the confusion.
>>29549306
Texas is a bit special it was an independent country for a few years and chose to join the U.S.
>>29544532
You are describing my recurring way dream, anon
>>29544471
>Most liberal areas what to stay
how did i know
>>29544496
not made from Yankee underwear 'cause no brown or yellow stains.
>>29544471
Shit multiplied by shit equals shit.
>>29544475
Fuck Lincoln
>>29544475
this guys...really.
not a big fan of Lincoln, but i know greatness when i here it.
>>29548712
>I also think USG wouldn't be willing to fight an all-out war against aspiring independent states
Such delusion. Such wow.
They did it in 1861, they'll do it now too
>>29551532
>>29551536
kek
>>29551650
You think Americans today have the same willingness to fight that they did in 1861? Especially the liberal states? Remember, the Civil War killed hundreds of thousands, Iraq and Afghanistan together were like 7000 and people thought that was a lot.
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/04/urgent-stop-m1-carbine-ban/?utm_content=bufferfe511&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>>29548244
Beaner here. I'd say that a vast majority of hispanics are pro 2A. They're just too ignorant-lazy to be political.
>>29548244
>tfw hispanic/white and I see this statistic
I really, really, really fucking hate minorites. I wish I were white so bad and I wish America was a white country again.
>>29549187
>>29551689
No bleeding heart faggots thought it was a lot. However, you do have a point people are soft now.
>>29551769
the paratrooper stock is already banned in CA, regardless of C&R status because combined with the M1 carbine (centerfire semi-auto with detachable magazine) it would create an assault weapon.
the the normal 15 round magazine is regulated in CA as well.
>>29545776
>Just feelings
Conservative have no right criticizing other people for 'muh feelings'.
Jesus freaks tried to ban Elvis, supported prohibition, banning violent video games, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwu1qAOvcsc
>>29552367
People aren't soft. The media portrays people as helpless victims and downplays any instance when a person defends themselves successfully, especially if the perp is a minority and the victim is white.
>>29552432
That some victim complex you got going on there.
>the country should split up because half of it doesn't like my hobby
>>29552432
Media spin is a thing.
>>29552458
Its not a complex if its largely true.
>>29552458
It's true. There's a subtle race war being waged. Remember when the media bleached Zimmerman's photo, called him a "white Hispanic", and edited his 911 call to make him sound racist?
>>29548244
>keep guns out of law abiding citizens hands
> they become easier to rob/victimize
>¿¿¿¿
>PESOS!
>>29552367
You say tomato....
>>29552432
In the context of acceptable war deaths, he's got a point.
>>29552119
We just need another great war that unites the current demographics of the US with loyalty towards the nation, not the situation now where whites have most of the history of ancestors dying for this country. That would be enough wouldn't it?
>>29544471
If anyone here hasn't read Orson Scott Card's Empire series I'd really suggest giving it a read, one of its biggest points is that American isn't really split geographically. More ideologically between rural areas that hold some values, and urban areas that hold radically different viewpoints.
I know it's kinda /pol/ level shit, but the demarcation between rural ideals and urban ideals is one that is rapidly growing. I really hope it doesn't ever come to a head in a civil war though.
>>29546275
>how does my race and culture being marginalized matter
Spot the cuck
>>29554322
Why are you assuming that I'm white?
>>29551485
Well, duh. The North isn't the side that had to surrender.
How's that make you feel, Johnny? You got your asses beat by a bunch of yellow bellied, lily livered, dainty little perfume smelling, glasses wearing, slicked back hair Yankees.
Doesn't say much good about you, does it, Johnny? Why'd you let it happen, Johnny?
You could have stopped it, Johnny. But you didn't and now your half brother is half Yankee.
Face it Johnny, you suck.
>>29545875
Texas really can't though. Why is everyone from Texas so stupid and fat?
>>29554940
Some memes just never die.
I hope you guys don't complain when federal authorities want to paint gun owners as terrorists...
All this talking about secession and subjugating liberal strongholds by force makes their concerns pretty valid.
>>29545751
>House of Represenatives
>does nothing for six years
>doesn't pay the bills
>we're not fucked
What fantasy are you living in? This sequester bullshit is strangling our economic output and starving the military of desperately needed funding and upgrading.
>>29545736
585 Bro. Move to PA
You can bring your machete too and we'll fix your AR
Cant wait for only one flag to remain in Texas, I have more loyalty to my state.
>>29554940
>>29554948
>Texas has full control of oil and gas reserve so self sufficiency. also lots of solar and wind energy so no imports
>has its own power grid
>Its building its own gold reserve
>already printing out its own currency in silver,gold copper ect ect precious metals
> has Texas Medical Center the wolds largest medical district which is pretty advance.
>land...and more land, did I mention land?
>natural resources
> the federal government has to pay US to use our land we lease it to them.
Long live the Republic of Texas>>29544471
>>29554201
I'm pretty sure that war is inevitable.
The question is when.
>>29545944
Cali fag that moved to Texas here.
I moved to Texas and bought a dozen firearms in two years and regularly fight the influx of blue soccer mom bullshit. We aren't all terrible people trying to ruin your state.
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