Let's dive into the retardation that is the one and only William "Billy Boy" Lind's novel. For those who aren't acquainted with him, he's a major proponent of the idea of "generations of warfare" - which is based on a narrow view of history and almost willful misunderstanding of things like the Treaty of Westphalia and the mobile warfare doctrine developed by Germany in the 1930s. He's also rather full of himself.
"Victoria" is Lind's own book, written under the pen name Thomas Hobbes which describes a process of "America’s second civil war, but also a recovery of our traditional, Western, Christian culture. That cultural and moral recovery was led by a new country located in the northeast, which named itself Victoria because it had returned to Victorian values." This is also Lind's take on applying 4GW principles.
With all that, let's take a look at the first chapter. This is basically a blind riff; if anyone wants to chime in, feel free to do so
https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria/
Guess it doesn't talk about trigger discipline judging by the cover.
>>30422117
>written under the pen name Thomas Hobbes
Yeah, I can certainly see how he's full of himself.
>>30422117
is this some white nationalist stormfag shit
it is isn't it OP
don't lie to us
>>30422133
>Guess it doesn't talk about trigger discipline judging by the cover.
That was my first thought. Jesus fuck; Fudds illustrating Fudds...so meta
The story is split into two books: "Dissolution" and "War." This is the first chapter of Dissolution, where our erstwhile protagonist, a Marine Corps officer with a fetish for the German language gets himself fired by, well, you'll see.
>A mess night, when it’s done right, is a black tie brawl. It’s a Brit thing, very formal-like and proper when it starts, with a table full of wine glasses and funny forks and Mr. Vice proposing toasts and rules like you’ve got to stand up and ask permission to go pee (usually denied). After enough toasts things loosen up a bit, with the aviators doing “carrier landings” by belly flopping on the tables and sliding through the crystal and the infantry getting into fights. At least, that’s how the good ones go.
I wish the black tie affairs where people got very drunk were as interesting.
>One of the Corps’ better traditions was that we remembered our dead. The mess set a table apart, with the glasses and silver inverted, for those who had gone before us and never come back. And before the fun began we remembered the battles where they had fought and fallen; Tripoli to Chapultepec to Helmand. A bell rang for each, a Marine officer stood up and called that battle’s name, and we became pretty thoughtful... Iwo Jima went to a woman.
The horror.
>We lost a lot of guys on Iwo, and they were men, not women. Of course, these were the years of “political correctness.” Our colonel was running for general, and he figured he could kiss ass by being “sensitive to issues of race, gender, and class.”
It’s hard to remember that we even had women in a military, it seems so strange now. How could we have been so contemptuous of human experience? Did we think it merely a coincidence that all armies, everywhere, that had actually fought anyone had been made up solely of men?
I actually concur about women in combat roles, but Mr. Lind tips his fedora pretty hard here.
>>30422117
can you give us the middle school level synopsis OP?
>"a return to Victorian values"
>literally starts with the immolation of a female bishop
meanwhile in actual Victorian Britain:
>"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
>>30422133
No. That would require Lind to actually do research rather than pontificate about things.
>>30422146
Maybe. This is my first time reading it. Probably not much moreso than John Ringo or Tom Kratman
>>30422160
You can see how Lind is a bit of a cunt when he's not putting on his public persona
>I remembered, then and always, an essay written by a German general, Hans von Seekt, the man who rebuilt the German Army after World War I. The title, and the message was Das Wesentliche ist die Tat—The Essential Thing is the Deed.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 1
>The next morning, I was toast. The colonel’s clerk was waiting for me when I walked into the building. “The CO wants to see you at once,” he said. I wasn’t surprised. I knew what was coming and I was willing to take it. That’s something else the Germans taught me: Verantwortungsfreudigkeit, the “joy in taking responsibility” that is central to what character means in an officer.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 2
Basically, our protagonist is given the choice to apologize or resign. He tips his fedora harder as you will see.
>The colonel generally specialized in being nice. But I’d endangered his sacred quest for a promotion, and in the old American military that was the greatest sin a subordinate could commit.
One of the things that Lind whines about is entrenched corruption and bureaucracy in the military. However, he doesn't offer any particular solution to a problem that the War College already acknowledges.
>“Neither one, sir.” An early lesson I’d learned about war was that if the enemy gave you two options, refuse them both and do something else. “I have nothing to apologize for,” I continued. “No woman has the right to represent any of the Corps’ battles, because those battles were fought and won by men. And people resign when they’ve done something wrong. I haven’t.”
What follows is a boring exchange about how he needs to apologize because it will mean bad things for the Commandant if this gets to some feminist congresswoman: Sally Bluhose
>“This has nothing to do with truth,” yelled Col. Ryan, who was starting to lose it. “What the hell is truth, anyway? This is about politics and our image and our budget. Congresswoman Bluhose is a leading advocate for women’s rights. She’ll be enraged, and I’ll take it in the shorts from Headquarters, Marine Corps. Don’t you get it?”
The Colonel is a bad man because he doesn't believe in Truth, geddit.
>(As if this guy would have farted without clearing it first.)
This is actually kinda funny, enough to make you snort but then you feel embarrassed for laughing at it
At this point, our protagonist decides to quit. On his way out, he is told that he's a "casualty in the culture war." And he also received directions to a Dartmouth professor, Gottfried Sanft, who was a real inspiration to the guy and knows a lot about this culture war.
Guess what subject he teaches? If you guessed "German," you would be right.
We finish out Chapter 1 when summer comes and our protagonist decides go visit this culture war guru of a retired German professor
>first person
Dropped harder than a baby potato.
>>30422359
It's what lets William Lind pretend to be super-cool soldier dude he never was. Because he knows better than all those morons at the Pentagon
I'll start Chapter 2 in a few minutes
Chapter 2 is pretty boring compared to the previous chapter. We meet Herr Sanft, who basically tells our marine to read some books.
Highlights
>When President Eisenhower of the old USA visited Dartmouth in the 1950s, he said it looked exactly the way a college ought to. By the late ’90s it still did, despite the fact that they’d built an ultra-modern student center on the traditional green —part of the “foul your own nest” maxim that ruled most campuses from the 1960s on.
I'll give credit where credit is due; the obligatory Brutalist building on every campus is quite ugly. For once, Lind has his head screwed on straight
>>30422529
The place the protagonist visits is basically some house that some right-wing alumni use to teach what amounts to a "Great Books" course about the West.
>I knew the prof and I would get along when I saw the Zeppelin poster on his office door and smelled the pipe smoke curling out the same. The office was a vast clutter of books and papers, pipes and walking sticks, straw hats and the occasional bottle of something refreshing; no old Sandinista posters on the walls here. Professor Sanft, dressed in a white linen suit for summer and the Raj, with a pink shirt and polka-dot bow-tie, bid me welcome. Jim Sampsonoff had written, saying I’d be by. I wasn’t quite sure why I was there, but the professor seemed to know.
The professor and his Indian assistant. We aren't total Stormfag yet.
>“Well, not really,” I guessed. But I wasn’t sure this was leading me where I wanted to go, either. “Jim said I should see you because you would help me understand why I got fired for doing what I thought was right. Would a real education help me understand that?” I asked.
>“Yes, and perhaps a few more things besides,” answered Professor Sanft. “There was a fellow named Socrates, some years back, who had a similar experience. Ever hear of him?”
I guess we're supposed to chuckle or something that our protagonist doesn't know who Socrates is.
>We are what the Germans call mere Luftmenschen – in a free translation, airheads.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 3
>>30422590
>“Sadly, this great culture of ours, Western culture, is under attack,” the professor replied. “The universities today are active and conscious agents in its destruction. Indeed, they have generated theories as to why Western culture should be destroyed. Of course, they aren’t alone. The most powerful single force in America now is the entertainment industry, and it is also an agent of cultural destruction. Many of the politicians play the game too. The usual code-words are ‘racism, sexism, and homophobia.’ When you hear them, you’re hearing the worms gnawing at the foundation.”
Enter /pol/. At this point, the protagonist gets his summer reading.
>Thanks to Professor Sanft, this was one infantryman who wasn’t lost.
And the chapter ends.
It begins
This seems really amusing OP, please keep going
>>30422133
>>30422147
How do you know that he doesn't have an amputated finger?
About to start Chapter 3
Chapter 3 - in which our protagonist completes his summer reading. Also, Lind went to Dartmouth. Is it any surprise that a hack would insert himself into his political and military tract in this way?
We start off with some family history and a name. The Rumfords of Maine.
>The men of our family, and sometimes the women too, would head out on their great adventure—crewing on a clipper bound for China, settling Oregon, converting the heathen (Uncle Bert got eaten in the Congo), going to war—but those who survived usually came back home again to Hartland and its surrounding farms.
>Whether they returned as successes or failures made little difference
Sounds like William Lind's career
>The whole country was overrun with deer, more than when white men first came to North America, because there were so many restrictions on guns and hunting. In some places they had become pests; we literally could not defend ourselves from our own food.
As someone who lives in the South, I'm curious to what extent Lind is exaggerating about the hunting situation in the Northeast.
>What a story! Ten thousand Greeks, cut off and surrounded in the middle of their ancient enemy, the Persian Empire, have to hack and march their way back out again—and they made it home. It was as exciting as anything Rommel or “Panzer” Meyer or any other modern commander wrote.
Please stop sullying the classics with your incessant wehraboo-ing.
>Do you want a thoroughly modern send-up of Feminism in all its silliness? Then read Aristophanes‘ Lysistrata—it’s only 2500 years old. For a chaser, recall the line of 17th century English poet and priest John Donne: “Hope not for mind in woman; at their best, they are but mummy possessed.” Pick any subject you want, except science, and these folks were there before us, thousands of years before us in some cases, with the same observations, thoughts and comments we offer today. We are their children.
*tips fedora*
Forgot to link: https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria-chapter-3/
Also, enjoy the face of such rugged individualism
>We could do anything, have anything, say anything, with one exception: verweile doch, du bist so schön. We could not tarry, we could not rest, we could not get it right and then keep it that way.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 4
>We were too busy passing around “information” with our computers to study any history. So it was all new to us, and we had to make the same mistakes over again. The price was high.
Which is why it's morally justified to burn people at the stake
>>30422140
This
Fuck that king loving cock sucker
>>30423223
>As Pat Buchanan said, they were true, they were ours, and they were good. They had given us, when we still paid attention to them, the freest and most prosperous societies man has ever known.
Oh hey, he's a Buchananite. Not the protagonist, but Lind. Because his protagonist was probably too young to have a firm recollection of Buchanan.
>We Victorians, those of my generation anyway, know that fighting for the truth is not a metaphor. We killed for it and we died for it. By the 21st century, that was the only way to save it, weapon in hand. That, too, is nothing new, just another lesson we had forgotten and had to learn all over again.
I'll just let this stand for itself. End chapter 3.
>>30422529
the one on my campus won "Best Use of Concrete" in the 1970s
they're tearing it down this year
>>30423286
Outstanding. Fuck Brutalism
>>30422147
>fudds
>violent secession
eh?
>naming your country after a foreign monarch
>"""American values"""
my patriotism is rustled
>>30423223
>>We were too busy passing around “information” with our computers to study any history. So it was all new to us, and we had to make the same mistakes over again. The price was high.
does he just assume we don't have history in schools? Or that people genuinely don't have an interest in history? Or is this just some evil computer strawman bullshit?
>>30423383
to be fair, depending on the state, school district and specific school, some of our high school history programs are seriously bad, and where funds are tight its exacerbated by pressure to fund "useful" science and math programs instead
There are 35 chapters total, just FYI
>>30423383
William Lind, and his protagonist by extension, seems to think that he's the only one that really "gets" history. It's probably some "evil computer strawman bullshit." Lind is also luddite in the same vein as Pierre Sprey, but with a fetish for what amounts to techno-guerillas. I'm looking forward to the actual battles with a mix of anticipation and dread.
>>30423420
Here's a link to a paper BTFOing Generational Warfare Theory
strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB632.pdf
>>30423452
I do war studies research as part of my job, and 4GW is seriously the chiropractic of military science. Even if it correctly described the world, it's completely useless as framework because it's absurdly broad. Nobody credible gives it the time of day,
>>30423531
Thank god. What got you interested in this thread?
About to start on the next chapter.
Keep up the good work, OP.
>>30423559
I just enjoy reading Turner Diaries-style bullshit like this.
I'm pretty sure most people in this field have read Maneuver Warfare but I wonder how many are aware that Lind also wrote a book about burning faggots and poopoopeepee witch burnings.
>>30423531
Non-mil-fag. What separates "4th generational warfare" from general insurgencies like some parts of the Vietnam war, the IRA, or half the crap in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Chapter 4: Accents
https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria-chapter-4/
>My next battle started around the dinner table on Christmas Day, 2016, and I’m not talking about the fight for the last piece of Aunt Sabra’s blueberry pie.
>“What you gonna faam?” John asked, the flat, nasal “a” instead of “r” suggesting he hadn’t been outside Maine much.
“Waal,” I said, talking Down East myself, “I thought I might try soybeans.”
Our protagonist is intelligent because he can simultaneously read Plato and assume an accent.
>“I’ll tell you why you don’t see soybeans up here or on many other family farms,” said Uncle Fred. “It’s oil from soybeans that makes money, and the federal government makes it just about impossible to transport soybean oil or any other vegetable oil unless you’re a big corporation. Under federal regulations, vegetable oil is treated the same as oil from petroleum when it comes to shipment. You’ve got to get a hugely expensive Certificate of Financial Responsibility to cover any possible oil spill. You’ll never get the capital to get started.”
I have the feeling that Lind is bullshitting, or exaggerating. I'm not willing to simply dismiss this under the panachea of dramatic license because this is, as I understand it, a tract of what Lind actually believes.
Fast forwarding a little, our protagonist learns that he can't grow potatoes either because of the damn EPA.
>“What King George III was doing to us in 1776 wasn’t a hill of beans compared to this,” I said. “We didn’t take it then. Why are we taking it now?”
Foreshadowing
There really isn't anything interesting as he tries to get a job at a local tannery, but can't because of niggers. Think I'm kidding, think again.
>>“The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. They come around and tell you how many blacks, Hispanics, women, whatever you have to hire. Of course, all my employees are white, because everybody up here is white. I guess Maine winters are kinda hard on black folk and those from south of the border. Anyway, that doesn’t count with them. They’ve issued an order that the next six people I hire must be blacks. The effect, of course, is that I can’t hire anyone, not even you."
>“You and I, and most folk up here, are members of the middle class. That means the government doesn’t do anything for us, it only does things to us. If you know a way to change that, I’d like to hear it. But these days, unless you’re some kind of “minority,” you don’t have any rights. Frankly, it’s just not our country any more.”
MAGA
And this more or less ends Chapter 4
>>30423531
How did you get into war studies as your line of work?
I'm in college, and that sort of analysis job is the sort of thing I could really see myself doing
>>30423773
My brother and law ships ammonia fertilizer with a fucking F250. No damn way there is a license required for vegetable oil.
>>30423810
>>30423773
My father got fired from a Pespi production plant because of some reverse-racism bullshit kinda like this, but Lind seems to take this sorta situation and turn it into the most outlandish stereotypical bullshit.
>>30423852
That's part of it. I don't totally disagree with Lind on a lot of things, but he does have a talent for spinning real situations into outlandish bullshit
>>30423286
I go to UC Davis.
I'm going to take a break for dinner and come back for a few more chapters.
Question of the meantime:
Do you think that William Lind hopes that people will read this and kick off a (Fourth Generation) Civil War?
>>30423972
>Do you think that William Lind hopes that people will read this and kick off a (Fourth Generation) Civil War?
Yes. It's very obvious this book wasn't written to make money.
>>30423990
I cuold see it having financial success amonst the same audience that reads Baen books
>>30424021
At least some of the Bolo novels are alright.
Except the Weber ones. Fuck Weber.
>>30424107
Kratman is at least fun, unlike Lind
>>30424154
What did Kratman write again?
Anyways, I'm well aware of the atrocity that is this novel, at least the first few chapters of it. I didn't expect to see it on /k/, though.
>>30424273
He wrote Caliphate - about a Europe that has turned into what the title suggests. Features transexual cyborg ninjas. He also wrote A State of Rebellion - where Texas secedes against the tyranny of a lesbian Not-Hillary-Clinton administration. Also has a moment where he, a retired Army Colonel, forgets that M1 Abrams have an NBC overpressure system and can be disabled by basically having bleach poured on them.
About to get going on Chapter 5
>>30424338
I'm having a little trouble trying to find the right angle to riff on this chapter
Chapter 5 - Lind on Race Relations
>About a week later I got a letter. It was from my old company Gunnery Sergeant, a black fellow and a good Marine. He was also a husband and father—rare among black males by the 21st century—and a Christian. He wrote to ask for my help.
>Gunny Matthews had gotten out about a year before I did. He had done his twenty years and had a pension, and felt it was time to move on. He knew that the catastrophe that had overwhelmed many urban black communities in America by the 1970s—crime, drugs, noise, and dirt—was not due to “white racism.” It was due to bad behavior by blacks, toward other blacks as well as toward everyone else. He wanted to try to do something about it.
>It was a measure of America’s decay that one of the most important issues facing the country—race—simply couldn’t be talked about. Not honestly, anyway. Oh, there was lots of talk about “racism” and how evil it was and how whites were to blame for everybody else’s problems. But we all knew it was bull.
Lind talks about freedom and civil right for a bit. It's pretty boring and about what you'd expect given the rest of this chapter.
>Of course, not all blacks were into instant gratification and the drug-using, drug-dealing, mugging, car-jacking, fornicating, and whoring that it brought. But tribal loyalty was strong enough that most of those who lived decent lives wouldn’t condemn those who didn’t. The rest of America saw that in every city with a black government, which promptly descended into utter disorder and corruption. Detroit turned into 6th century Rome.
The Rome part wasn't too bad
>As early as the 1970s, the average white American spelled black c-r-i-m-e. That wasn’t prejudice, it was statistics. Anywhere near a city, if you were the victim of a random crime, the criminal was almost certain to be black. The only exception was if you were in a Hispanic neighborhood; the Hispanics were rapidly going the same instant gratification route the blacks had taken, with similar results.
>Obviously, what was needed was a major crackdown. If a people cannot govern itself, then it must be governed by others. But the white Establishment hewed to the line that said blacks were “victims,” so their crimes could not be held against them. It was pure Orwellian Newspeak: criminals became victims, and the victims (at least the white victims) were the criminals because they were “racists.” So nothing was done, and blacks were emboldened to believe they could get away with anything.
>The result, in time, was a full scale race war, which was in turn part of America’s second civil war. The blacks’ so-called “leaders,” most of whom derived fat incomes from their impoverished supporters, never seemed to care that when one tenth of the population goads the other nine-tenths into a war, it loses.
It will be interesting to see where this foreshadowing leads. By interesting, I mean in the trainwreck sense.
>So Gunny Matthews had taken on quite a job. His letter told me how he’d tried to go about it.
Basically, in so much less autism, his buddy came up with a community policing strategy that worked. Until the damn lawyers came in representing the "scum." Also
>Schwerpunkt, his focus of efforts
Gratuitous German Quotes: 5
>>30423203
>Please stop sullying the classics with your incessant wehraboo-ing.
Oh but he has just begun to kampf:
https://www.traditionalright.com/the-view-from-olympus-an-expeditionary-army/
>Against 4GW enemies that hold territory such as ISIS, what we need is in effect an Afrika Korps...
>The general approach should be Kesselschlacht. We go in, quickly encircle the opponent, then support our local allies as they besiege the Kessel.
>Today’s Army does not understand operational art, fights linear battles of attrition rather than seeking encirclements, and promotes officers who avoid responsibility rather than seeking decisive results. It has far more in common with Mussolini’s army in North Africa than with the DAK.
>>30424694
>>30424707
alt right: the terrible alt future history novel edition
>This wasn’t law, I realized, this was war. The Legal Services lawyers, the liberal judges who gave them the rulings they wanted, their buddies in the ACLU, they were just enemy units of different types. More, they were the enemy’s “critical vulnerability.” The scum depended on them; no lawyers, no scum (a point we have enshrined in Victorian law, where you must represent yourself in court). The tenants had already shown they could kick out the trash, if we could get the lawyers off their backs. So that had to be our objective.
>(a point we have enshrined in Victorian law, where you must represent yourself in court)
>where you must represent yourself in court
Oh Lind, you so wacky
>I laid out a plan. The starting point was one of Colonel John Boyd’s maxims. Boyd was the greatest American military theorist of the 20th century. He said war is fought at three levels: moral, mental, and physical. The moral level is the most powerful, the physical the least (The old American military, in its love for hi-tech, could never understand that, which is why it kept getting beaten by ragheads all around the world.). We would focus our war at the moral level, and use the physical only as it had moral impact.
I can't make this paragraph much sillier than Lind makes himself. I just wanted to highlight it for anyone that didn't notice it.
>We’d start with the churches. Most of the black folk who were on the receiving end of black crime were Christians. We’d mobilize the Church Ladies—a Panzer division in this kind of fighting. We’d get them and the black ministers to go to white churches all over Boston and invite their congregations to visit the housing project. We’d let them see what those Legal Services lawyers and their friends among the judges and politicians were protecting.
For his disdain for cutting edge technology, he seems to really fetishize the Wehrmacht.
>>30422258
>>30422157
>disrupting a remembrance ceremony because hurr there were no girls at iwo jima
this sounds like a strawman character in a feminist parody
I'm pretty sure anyone who actually did this would get the shit beaten out of him, not for insulting womyn but for being an intense sperg
>>30424809
really? Boyd's not even the greatest theorist the USAF/Army Air Corps/Army Air Force has created.
>Now, I knew how to use a weapon, and I guessed I could shoot better than the average drug dealer. But I also knew I’d be the one in jail, not the drug dealer, if I got in a fire fight. And for a young, white, middle class male, jail in the 21st century meant homosexual gang rape.
I don't even need to riff this for it to be funny.
>Das wesentliche ist die Tat. Always, in war, that’s what it comes down to. The important thing is the deed.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 6
>The Panzers were ready for battle.
These are little old black ladies, just in case you had forgotten.
>What a pity so many chose Malcolm X and Snoop Dogg as their heroes instead.
And that concludes Chapter 5
>>30424834
This is, I assure you, not a parody.
>>30424857
Lind's salty as fuck because his writing about maneuver and MUH SPIRIT happened to coincide with the Revolution in Military Affairs and the demonstration that, in fact, Precision-Guided Munitions trump high morale on the battlefield.
>>30424709
God damn it
>>30424869
Didn't Malcom X get shot for trying to fix the nation of Islam? Or is my history fucked?
also,
>And for a young, white, middle class male, jail in the 21st century meant homosexual gang rape.
Maybe if you're stupid and a complete puss. Nobody is gonna toss your salad if you at least defend yourself and don't start shit.
>>30424895
actual picture of Capt. John Ira Rumsford defending the honor of the Corps
never forget the male US army marines who died for our freedoms ;_;77777
>>30424720
I bet even /pol/ would cringe at this
i'm asian and i'm wondering what sort of amusingly, terrifyingly outdatedly racist shit he'll say about us.
>>30424709
FUCKING WEHRABOOS GET OUT REEEEEEEEE
>>30424979
something about roof Koreans and those japs I bet, probably also something about them damn Chinese spies.
>>30424707
>Basically, in so much less autism, his buddy came up with a community policing strategy that worked. Until the damn lawyers came in representing the "scum."
This doesn't sound out of place, actually. How does his version go full autismo?
>>30425049
It's not so much what he says as how he says it
>>30424857
Boyd was an overhyped idiot who made a pretty-sounding acronym out of common sense (OODA). Read "Revolt of the Majors" and you'll cringe every time you hear his name.
>related link, the book
>https://etd.auburn.edu/bitstream/handle/10415/595/MICHEL_III_55.pdf
>>30424709
>taking operational lessons from 100-year-old force-on-force warfare and trying to apply it to COIN
>implying our COIN ops are not already generally operational successes by most metrics, and that the problem is not making those successes count
>forgetting that the Heer and the Wehrmacht both lost in large part due to the traditional German overemphasis on rapid victory by annihilation (vernichtungskrieg) via operational success totally unmoored from any higher strategy
This nigger is peak Wehraboo
>>30424809
holy shit is lind an awful writer. This shit reads like it was written by a moderately above average high schooler.
>>30425217
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Lind
He was probably pushing 60 at the earliest when he wrote this. I don't remember when exactly he wrote this steaming pile of shit.
>>30425258
>William S. Lind (born July 9, 1947) is an American monarchist, paleoconservative, columnist, Christian, and a light rail enthusiast.
>and a light rail enthusiast
Confirmed for sperg.
>>30425305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw
>>30425103
i'm in the fighter jet business. boyd is definitely overhyped. then again he's underhyped on /k/. he had contributions, though some of them don't account for the changes in military technology of the last 40 years.
https://www.traditionalright.com/the-view-from-olympus-27-ttps/
>"Modern, Third Generation tactics were fully developed by the German Army by 1918."
>refers to the USA as "the Fatherland"
>>30424950
>Didn't Malcom X get shot for trying to fix the nation of Islam
Pretty much. Been a while since I've read about it but I think it was a combination of him learning of Elijah Muhammod hypocritically fucking his way through the women of the Nation of Islam and going on the Hajj/seeing worldwide issues with racism and realizing that simplifying things to white=bad black=good as he had been was doing no one any favors.
Funny thing was if he didn't get killed he seemed to be on a trajectory where he would have continued his push for greater discipline and self improvement amongst blacks but now with a desire to work with white people to make things actually happen.
Comparing Malcom X to Snoop Dogg in >>30424869 is full retard.
>>30425338
Yeah, I'm posting that from the perspective of someone with experience down at the wing level of fighter ops. Whenever I see him on /k/ it's "this GENIUS invented OODA omg!"
To think of the state of our tac AF if we'd listened to him and Sprey is revolting.
About to go for Chapter 6. Not sure how much more of this I can bear in one night.
>>30425373
Snoop isn't even terrible either. Yeah he did the dumbass fuck the police rapper shit for a while, but for the most part he's pretty chill and encourages black youths to make more of themselves and stay the fuck away from the streets.
But you are right in calling the comparison retarded
Fuck that book, you posted the same thread on /pol/
>>30425373
He left Nation of Islam and became a Sunni Muslim after he came back from Hajj. They basically killed him because he became more influence than them.
another chillingly accurate picture of what is to come
ITT: A bunch of blue-pilled fags who can't admit that Lind was right.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting-omar-mateen-islam-terrorism-column/85794088/
>>30425648
>It really makes you think!
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIN
>>30425648
>It really makes you think
Meme magic does it again.
>>30423223
>verweile doch, du bist so schön
Isn't this Yiddish?
>His answer proved to be important beyond our fight to save one housing project. “A number of cops around here are former Marines. We’ve got a network set up among us,” he explained to me. “We’re getting together tomorrow night. Can you come?”
>“Of course I’ll come. You think I’m some staff puke who comes up with a plan, then sends someone else off to execute it? I’ve done some thinking up in Maine. The real war is the war for our culture. This is a battle in that war. I’m in,” I replied. “Do you know a cheap place I can put up for the duration?”
Tough talk from the self-insert of the guy who's never served a day, yet considers himself to be a prophet of warfare.
>The meeting with the cops was at the Tune Tavern
Like Tun Tavern, geddit
What follows is basically the protagonist, Rumford, pitching his plan to have off-duty police officers accompany "swams" of black Church Ladies being in the vicinity of drug dealers to make things awkward enough that nobody will buy. The cops will be there to shoot back if the drug dealers go for the Glock 40s.
>The cops were quiet. One state trooper finally spoke up, a former commo staff sergeant named Kelly (sometimes I thought half the Marine Corps was named Kelly).
This is actually a little funny; good effort, Lind.
>“My problem with the whole proposal is that it doesn’t go far enough,” he continued. “Down at 2nd Marine Division I sat in on a briefing Colonel Boyd gave. He said strategy is the art of connecting yourself to as many other power centers as possible, while separating your enemy from as many power centers as possible. It was the only definition of strategy I ever heard that meant anything.”
The Boyd boner returns
>>30425675
>Hi /pol/!
Problem is that he takes it to levels that seem damn near inconceivable. I own a buisness and can say that both of his points with oil and Equal Opportunity is bs. Sure, he says good things like how Detroit was Rome or that there are blacks who stayed out of that life (No shit), but he takes it from one set of authoritative rules of liberals to another with facism. Might as well be satire at that point.
>>30425648
Maybe that is just a well-written book.
>>30423810
>>30423899
It's already happening, you dumb faggots.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/31/get-ready-for-racial-quotas-on-your-neighborhood/
>>30423693
>burning faggots and poopoopeepee witch burnings.
Tell us more.
>>30425738
You act like this shit isn't going on constantly.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/report-anti-white-agenda-revealed-at-githubs-diversity-team/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/discrimination-against-whites-in-federal-employment/
http://whitegenocideproject.com/anti-white-fast-food-restaurant-doesnt-want-whites/
>>30423223
>He doesn't look like an 80's action star, so he doesn't know what he's talking about
Says to namefag on 4chan.
>>30425787
>whitegenocideproject.com
>>30425737
>“I can, and so can you,” Kelly replied. “We can do it the same way we’ve come together here: through the Marine connection. A bunch of members of the legislature are former Marines. So’s an editor at the Globe. I know him, and I know one former Marine in the State House. He can put us on to others. There’s even a regular breakfast where former Marines now in politics get together. Most of these guys think like we do. They’ll help.”
>At this point I got one of those brain farts where a whole lot of pieces from a bunch of different puzzles come together to make something new. Boyd called it synthesis.
I might need to make a Boyd Reference Counter is this continues.
>“No,” I replied. “We’ve all run around in the boonies in cammies enough for that to be old. And we don’t want violence. Violence will almost always work against us at the moral level of war. Think of it instead as a general staff for whoever wants to take our country back, wherever we could make a difference. Like we’re doing here.”
Rumford reminds us that they're totally not a militia even though they're actually going to be fighting in the future
>“In 1775, the United States Marine Corps was founded in another tavern, in Philadelphia,” I said. “I think it’s time to do it again, here in Tune Tavern. Who knows, maybe we’re making history once more.”
Tune Tavern, Tun Taver, geddit?
>“Christian Marines.”
That will be name of this merry band
>“Sign me up,” said the transit cop, Meyer. “By the way, I’m Jewish. You may remember we had the Ten Commandments before you did. But we’re all in this together. It’s the whole culture we have to fight for, our Western, Judeo-Christian culture. I’ll still go to synagogue, but I’m happy to be a Christian Marine. After all, Christ was a Jew, and so were his disciples.”
I don't know if Lind is trying to make a joke or show off how diverse his cast is with a token minority.
>>30425373
He was excommunicated because Elijah Muhammad wanted him to be discredited before he turned on him. After his excommunication, he refused to leave the house the Nation had loaned him. This led to a series of attempts on Malcolm's life, until three guys from the nation bumrushed him and shot him with a sawn-off
>>30425821
>And so it began, the Christian Marine Corps, the general staff for our side in the second civil war. I still have the piece of paper that went around the barroom table that day. It has twenty-two names on it. Seventeen of those men gave their lives in the war that was to come. I’m the only one left, now.
So, totally not a militia
>But those who died did so knowing they’d made a difference.
And this dramatic foreshadowing ends Chapter 6
>>30425821
that's not what brain fart even means
fuckkkkkkkk
also "christian marines" is fucking killing me
>>30425787
And I'm not denying it either. What I'm saying is that I give the guy little to no credit because whoever picked up the fucking book probably knows what is going on in the world around said person. I also give no credit because he wants to topple a repressive regime to just make a new one where he burns gays (I think, as the other guy is saying.) and deny people their 6th amendment right to a lawyer. I hope that in his book another state that split from the union in a, "Civil war" was a true constitutionalist one that gave everyone rights.
>>30425895
The prologue is a scene from the future where they burn a lesbian bishop alive. This is either supposed to be seen as morally ambiguous in the "hard men making hard decisions" sense or entirely justified
>>30425830
>"You were excommunicated... by a gang of vicious psychopaths!"
>"I AM The Nation of Islam!"
Pretend I shopped in Malcom X and Elijah's heads because I'm actually too lazy
>>30425787
>theoccidentalobserver.net
>.net
ew
>>30425921
*the prologue has a scene where (etc)
>>30425921
HOLY FUCK POST IT MAN.
>>30425995
Alright, here we go
>The triumph of the Recovery was marked most clearly by the burning of the Episcopal bishop of Maine.
No beating around the bush here. This is the very first sentence if you start from the preface rather than chapter 1.
>
The triumph of the Recovery was marked most clearly by the burning of the Episcopal bishop of Maine.
She was not a particularly bad bishop. She was in fact typical of Episcopal bishops of the first quarter of the 21st century: agnostic, compulsively political and radical, and given to placing a small idol of Isis on the altar when she said the Communion service. By 2055, when she was tried for heresy, convicted, and burned, she had outlived her era.
>The fact that the easy road was not taken, that Episcopalians turned to their difficult duty of trying and convicting, and the state upheld its unpleasant responsibility of setting torch to faggots, was what marked this as an act of Recovery. I well remember the crowd that gathered for the execution, solemn but not sad, relieved rather that at last, after so many years of humiliation, of having to swallow every absurdity and pretend we liked it, the majority had taken back the culture. No more apologies for the truth. No more “Yes, buts” on upholding standards. Civilization had recovered its nerve. The flames that soared above the lawn before the Maine State House were, as the bishopess herself might have said, liberating.
>When it was over, none of us felt good about it. But we’d long since learned feelings were a poor guide. We’d done the right thing.
Yeah, pretty sure it's a "Hard men making hard decisions" ambiguity, but still.
>Was the dissolution of the United States inevitable?
>Probably, once all the “diversity” and “multiculturalism” crap got started.
There's about three paragraphs, but this is gist of this. Insert a reference to Rome here. Bitch about the 60s there.
>In this Year of Our Lord 2068—and my 80th year on this planet—we citizens of Victoria have the blessed good fortune to live once again in an age of accomplishment and decency. With the exception of New Spain, most of the nations that cover the territory of the former United States are starting to get things working again. The revival of traditional, Western, Christian culture we began is spreading outward from our rocky New England soil, displacing savagery with civilization for a second time.
If there ever were any doubts about what this story was about, be not afraid.
>This is my story, the story of the life of one man, John Ira Rumford of Hartland, Maine, soldier and farmer. I came into this world near enough the beginning of the end for the old U.S. of A., on June 28, 1988. I expect to leave it shortly, without regrets.
Here's the protagonist's name. I forgot it was in the prologue, given the faggot burning and all. I guess he could have a recollection of Buchanan's later presidential runs.
>It’s also the story of the end of a once-great nation, by someone who saw most of what happened, and why.
>Read it and weep.
Yes, weep at how cringeworthy the whole thing is
>>30425538
Snoop had the divest yourself movement for a bit saying if you were invested in an arms company you were killing black youths. Also he is now anti gun foranyone other than himself
>>30426092
>the state upheld its unpleasant responsibility of setting torch to faggots
what the fuck
>>30426171
Can't win em' all I guess. He's still not a terrible person either way.
At least I still have Ice-T to look up to.
This reminds me a lot of that one book Patriots, and how terrible it was.
Fucking hell, it's this book.
Word of warning OP: If you think something in this is bad, then get ready, because it'll only get worse the further it goes.
That's it for tonight. I'll pick up the next half-dozen chapters or so tomorrow
>>30426268
Don't spoil it, because I intend to do the whole thing.
Really, I'm having a giggle.
>>30426203
Ice t , will always bevthe best of the gangster rappers.
Solidly pro gun, litterly " guns are for taking back the goverment not hunting" (paraphrase)
Decent punk/metal band
decent rapper
From all accounts not overly hating of white people, not a jerk. Not annoying and a decent actor
>>30426215
Nothing posted so far has gotten to the level of awful that Patriots was.
>>30426305
I won't spoil it, don't worry.
And yeah, the thing's hilarious to read. You'll definitely enjoy the insanity.
>>30426092
this is literally a /pol/ shitpost in book form
>>30426371
There's another chapter where Billy and his boys go all DEUS VULT on a liberal arts college faculty and kill them all for Jesus.
>>30426456
its really got everything
the alt right was a mistake
>>30426484
There's also a revival of the Confederacy, replete with Billy Sue soapboxing about "muh maneuver warfare" which he points out comes from ze Germans, because of course he does.
>>30426484
https://www.traditionalright.com/on-loyalty-and-identity/
>Julius Evola, one of tR’s greatest inspirations...
*tips stahlhelm*
>>30426331
>>30426456 is pretty damn close
>>30425686
THESE WOUNDS THEY WOULD NOT HEEEAAL
So I'd reckon the TLDR of this is that there are two completely fucked people out there: one that wrote this "book", and another one that agreed to publish said "book".
>>30427299
>implying it's not self published
>>30427319
>>30427299
or on-demand published.
or web-only.
>>30427319
>>30427329
OK, there's those.
>>30426456
I can't wait
>>30426533
Who wants to bet that this guy, who thinks he's hot shit as a strategist, will manage to write a laughably bad battle?
this is fucking gold, reading now
thanks op
>>30426092
>the state upheld its unpleasant responsibility of setting torch to faggots
is this nigger for real?
>>30427976
inshallah
>>30423946
Hahahaha we used to call that piece of shit the Death Star when I went there
>>30422117
>William S. Lind is an American monarchist, paleoconservative, columnist, Christian, and a light rail enthusiast
I like the last part the best.
>>30427976
Yup
Bumping with a teaser of things to come:
>The Washington Establishment was just one part of the Globalist Establishment, and they all stuck together. They shared a common belief in three things: A New World Order that would replace the state with an international super-state, in effect a world-wide European Union; cultural Marxism; and that everything, everywhere, should be decided by people like them. Globalism still faced a serious opponent, Russia, and Russia blocked any armed action to support Washington by using her veto in the Security Council.
>>30427493
Not only will he write a laughably bad battle, but I'm going to guess that he'll write it in laughably bad German, because he totally isn't Mary Sue-ing himself at the head of a Freikorps that later ascends to power as part of a glorious national revolution against globalist financiers, Marxists and decadent liberalism.
>>30429698
WOW THIS FUCKER IS DELUSIONAL
What is wrong with this dude. he is straight up fucked tell me who wins a civil war especially when their are things such as nukes gas and biologicals, if you think the feds wouldn't go to that extream to keep the northeast from succeeding they would considering the economic value is well over a few trillion dollars worth of gdp. Also this fuck is dumb as hell recommending burning women cause they have a vagina that is some r9k shit.
>>30429724
Why is "Stalin was worse" even in that meme-bingo?
>>30425925
That's a big thought.
>>30429698
It keeps getting better
>>30425648
>It really makes you think
Once again, the far left and far right have proven themselves to be different sides of the same coin.
>>30424979
ABC here. I might agree with some of this shit but seeing how anyone not Teutonic Chosen American is automatically an enemy or marginalized, it probably won't end well for us.
That's what I get for going to college and letting my wife wear yoga pants, I suppose.
I just finished reading all the chapters on the site. You have to buy the book to read past chapter 35.
It wasn't all that bad, although, it wasn't all that good either. If you want to read a great book with the reemergence of the Victorian era I suggest Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age.
>>30430356
You Scheiszhund!
>>30430378
That's German for "shithound"
t. William Lind
>>30430364
How much is there?
How badly does our tactical genius flub battles?
>>30430430
Google translate suggested a spelling correction then gave "fucking dog" as an answer.
Eh, I've been called worse. OP keep it coming this story is hilarious!
>>30423373
On top of all the mountains of bullshit this hack spews, this ranks as near the worst.
It pains me to see some faggot rename part of the USA to some bullshit foreigner's name.
Of course, It still bother's me that we refer to the NE as "New England" and have a state named Georgia.
>>30430556
I didn't buy the book. So I don't know what happens after chapter 35. The last couple of chapters the main character goes to the CSA and there's two factions within CSA the New South and the Old South.
The New South are corrupt mafioso that use blacks as political tools and the Old South agrarian and aristocratic. It ends on a cliff hanger with the New South devising a plan to arm the blacks and have them kill all the white people in Atlanta. At the very end the main character asks a Texas ranger if he can steal a nuke.
>>30430636
Is this just as nutty as it sounds from your summary?
>>30422117
Nice AR
>>30430660
>>30423990
I feel like this is the altright version of the Celestine Prophesy.
>>30430621
You don't see the the Schwerpunkt - the main focus of effort - of 4GW. If you read history books, you would know better than the corrupt Pentagon. I bet you don't even like light rail, Dummkopf - German for dumbass. Praise Jesus.
>>30423763
Not him but I have a background in International Relations with a minor in Military History (medically DQ'd ROTC faggot)
Generational warfare is basically a meme.
What it is described as is "the return to decentralized warfare and blurring of lines between warfighters and politicians" which is complete bullshit. If you know anything about warfare, the military of a state has always been the armed wing of a political faction or ideology and warfare has always been a means to press political authority.
Not saying this is bad but merely fact. Not all ideologies are bad, and not all states are corrupt.
For instance, WWII-era USA's military was the armed wing of democratic ideologues fighting for a return to peace, stability, and democracy in Europe, same as the UK.
The Whermacht was the German military fighting for the exact opposite. While maybe not every soldier fighting for Germany was a fascist (they obviously weren't) they were still the armed wing of the state, politically controlled by a group of very angry fascists that wanted an end to European/American style democracy. They were an armed wing of political ideologues employed by a state.
Now obviously sometimes the ideologies in a state become at odds and the military is forced to pick a side, but I'm not talking about that, as I don't have the time or energy to write literal volumes of text on a Zulu blowpipe manufacturing database, and am speaking in broad generalities.
Just because the Taliban, AQ, and soon ISIS don't have stand-up armies to fight us doesn't mean the armed members of these groups are any different than Nazis, Commies, or Democrats (ideologues, not political faction). They resort to terrorist actions because they don't have the ability to strike at us directly with regulars.
Somehow I'm expected to believe that these dune coons are unique, and have nothing in common with the tactics used by Vietcong, WWII-era resistance fighters, FARC, or even, yes, 1776 Americans.
>>30430723
Yeah, well you're just part of the military industrial complex. Are you even a Christian? If you read Rommel and John Boyd, you would totally agree with me.
>>30430658
I read a lot of fiction especially science fiction. I've read fiction with aliens coming out of the earth's core, books with a cowboy on Mars and books about space orcs haphazardly throwing together slabs of metal to build a spaceship that works because they thought it would work.
Ethnic conflict is definitely outside the realm of possibility and it's something that has never happened or will ever happen. It just doesn't happen. You can be assured that it's completely nutty.
I'm at work (part time), but I'll pick up in a few hours with the next few chapters.
>>30426092
You missed a pretty damn important detail about our burning woman:
>She could have saved herself, of course, right up until the torch was applied. All she had to do was announce she wasn’t a bishop, or a priest, since Christian tradition forbids a woman to be either. Or she could have confessed she wasn’t a Christian, in which case she could be bishopess, priestess, popess, whatever, in the service of her chosen demons. That would have just gotten her tossed over the border.
So there you go . She is a bona fide fchristian martyr, that refused to give up her faith even in face of certain death from the barbarian's hands, even through by renouncing her religion she would be spared.
Thats, not act of supposed "agnostic". This is some pre medieval tier of hardcore christian sacrifice.
She deserves a place among top tier martyr saints like St Lawrence, St Bartholomew, St. Agnes of Rome, or St.Katherine.
>>30430952
That's not how our Billy Sue sees it, and he's supposed to be a sympathetic stand-in for Lind's views
>>30426484
>>30430356
It's funny, but as an Asian American I still find myself falling more on the /k/ and /pol/ side of the political spectrum than otherwise, despite their occasional disdain for nonwhites. I wonder if that's common.
Maybe that's why SJW's don't like us very much.
>>30430999
Me too. The thing is that by and large SJWs could give a fuck about asians, we all get lumped together as "successful" along with white people.
>>30430999
>/k/ and /pol/ side of the political spectrum
This conflation is not correct.
>>30430856
Why does a fictional story bother you so much? I was pointing out I could suspend disbelief with shit like 40k. It would be pretty absurd that I couldn't do it with this book either.
It looks to me that you're searching for assurances that the theme of this book, which is ethnic conflict, is outside of the realm of possibility.
>>30430999
>>30430356
From what I understand of /pol/ they consider most east Asians to be 'honorary aryans', Japs in particular.
At least they appreciate the greater adherence to traditional values and work ethic.
>>30431014
Lind take reasonable things and spins them into the most absurd bullshit as part of a political tract that makes Ayn Rand seem like a good writer. It's not that ethnic conflict is impossible, or that you can't write a book about ethnic conflict occurring in the US - it's that he's an awful writer whose scenarios break that suspension of disbelief.
>>30431012
I know, I know. I'm sorry.
It's just difficult to put into words. I'm sure there's some great German compound word (ha ha!) that describes it perfectly, but I feel like a lot of asians--asian guys, at least, not so much the women--hear a lot of the modern rhetoric and mutely nod while thinking, "Holy shit, this person is insane. Whatever, better keep my mouth shut until I'm in a position where I can't be fired or sanctioned against for saying the emperor has no clothes. Gotta put feeding my family first"
>>30431083
Yeah, I get you. You can think modern lib doublethink is retarded without blaming it all on the Jews.
>>30431108
>(((/k/)))
>>30422351
>>30422117
So the whole purpose of the thread is to shit all over someone elses politics by pointing out mistakes in their delivery mechanism?
so this is a political thread?
>>30431125
Fuck off, /pol/.
>>30431146
Not really. It's more about making fun of someone who think's they're some Dune-level strategic intellectual when in fact they are a garden-variety wehraboo who thinks older is automatically better when it comes to weaponry.
>>30431072
>spot the antifa
take your subversive anti traditional value propaganda disquised as a book review and stay off /k/
>>30431146
William Lind built his career as a military theorist, especially as a proponent of Generational Warfare, and still writes about how he knows better than the military establishment. It only came to light relatively recently that the Thomas Hobbes who wrote this book was, in fact, Lind himself
>>30431037
From what I gather Hitler considered Japan and China Honorary Aryans because they had influential ancient cultures and preserved their heritage through modern times. Of course, history is never that simple.
>>30430999
SJWs dislike us because we usually follow traditional values (work, family, honor, success) but we're not white. It ruins their narrative that claims all minorities are oppressed and locked out of the "white" middle class way of life. So we mostly get ignored.
>>30431187
no, you're trying to pass off your subtle political commentary by disquising it as critiquing a book/author you dislike.
but its really so you can prosthelytize your political bullshit with impunity from the mods
fuck off liberal scum
>>30431072
If you've ever read Warhammer 40k it's far,, far more over the top and absurd. The whole WH40k universe is in a constant state of total race war of annihilation.
>>30431299
Wow, I hate OP now
I'm a #LindOstwind now
>>30431270
and?
this isnt a thread discussing his skills as a theorist
its a thread trashing his ideaology and values
commies get fucked
>>30431304
40k is where giant space bugs, Tolkien stereotypes, Catholic space Nazis, genetic uberknights, undead robots and a pantheon based on comic books and heavy metal album covers got put into a paint mixer and garnished with British humor.
Victoria is basically a Chick tract, except less meme-able due to lack of pictures.
>>30431356
The only thing I agree with Marx on is every worker getting a share of ur mom lol
>>30431398
In Victoria the main character says something along the lines of "some negroes are good". Now, imagine an Imperial guardsman uttering those words in 40k about orcs. On the highly unlikelihood that thought crossed one of their billions of minds and happened to utter it they'd be executed on the spot for the crime of xenophilia.
>>30431478
Laughter of thirsting gods etc.
>>30431398
>Nazis
shut up child
>>30424021
This is, sadly, true. I actually enjoy a lot of Ringo's work because- politics aside- it's pretty well grounded. Dude's not a total wingnut, he's got a basic understanding of science and human psychology, etc. Problem is, every other Baen author I've tried either writes creepy social/religious values jerkoff fantasy, or their writing is about as dry as the fucking Mojave.
>>30424107
What's wrong with Weber? Honor Harrington is breddy gud.
>>30431083
>I'm sure there's some great German compound word (ha ha!) that describes it perfectly,
Arabic, in fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitman
>>30430992
This just means that Lynd is ignorant about the history of christianity, because this shit is textbook martyrdom.
Also, fun how his schmucks were acting like fucking ISIS - and the book was written before anyone heard about daesh.
>>30431546
But Ringo is fucking terrible, as in one of the worst scifi authors out there.
The man inserted a talking rabbit from a webcomic into one of his novels ffs.
>fukkin dropped
>>30431268
>spot the /pol/lack.
>>30431503
My bad. The Imperium lasted more than 15 years.
>>30431610
Huh! Neat tidbit, anon. Thank you for that.
>>30431636
Didn't say he was good, just entertaining at times. His cringey shit (and there is a fair amount of it) trends towards rabid fanboyism rather than the usual /pol/ tier "race/religious war now" shit.
>>30431580
He basically can't write decent character and dialogue worth shit.
Especially Honor "literally a Mary Sue" Harrington
>>30431546
No, he's terrible and has the sensibilities of a 13-year old about what's "cool."
>>30431580
Absolutely not.
>>30431268
It's not a review. It's a riff.
>>30431643
>uh oh, I got caught, better distract from the issue so I can continue my shit posting...I know, Ill say hes browses /pol/
>>30431946
We probably should bring weapons back into it.
>>30432046
I just want to hear more.
>>30432046
We've got a granny blitzkrieg incoming
Chapter 7: The Battle of the Housing Project
>The Battle of the Housing Project began on the last Friday in February, 2017. It proved to be Blitzkrieg, but into Russia.
I'll just let this stand alone
>Friday night usually meant big business for the hookers, pimps, drug dealers, and the rest of the “informal economy” that dominated the inner cities back then. Boston was enjoying a break in the winter weather, which should have drawn a big crowd out. It did, but not the kind they were expecting. The Panzers were in laager by 3 PM, 243 strong: the Church Ladies. Project residents were the infantry; they would make sure the tanks reached their objectives. The artillery was the press. The Marine connection worked, and we had reporters from the Boston Globe plus camera crews from several local TV stations. We also had twenty-five off-duty cops—in uniform and armed—and a couple video cams of our own; I wanted to have our own video tape, edited and ready to hand out ASAP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsdawgd0azk
>Darkness comes early in Boston in February, and as it fell the bipedal roaches started crawling out of their cracks to sell their crack and whatever else.
I didn't know there was a significant Turkish diaspora in Boston.
>Singing “Onward Christian Soldiers,” the Church Ladies and their allies made sure no business was done. One dealer was dumb enough to reach for his piece; before one of our cops could react, a swift umbrella brought him low.
I'll give credit where it is due. This is actually amusing.
>To keep the initiative, Saturday morning the leaders from the project and the ministers from the local churches held a news conference. They announced part two of the plan, an appeal to the white churches. Those congregations were prepared when our black Church Ladies arrived on Sunday and invited them to visit the project and see for themselves why we were fighting.
This is the next part of the Christian Marine Corp's plan
>>30432261
>>Singing “Onward Christian Soldiers,” the Church Ladies and their allies made sure no business was done.
Yeah that's going to stop a crackhead from getting his fix, because some old ladies are hassling him and singing.
Judge Frylass was introduced in a paragraph I skipped. He's an evil judge that rules in favor of "scum." Carrying on.
>Frylass did not disappoint us (in war, a predictable opponent is a great asset). With a ringing denunciation of “mob rule,” on Monday morning he issued an injunction against any “tactics of intimidation” directed against “the victims of racism and an oppressive economic structure,” i.e., the scum.
This is a little rich coming from a American """monarchist"""
What follows is an exchange where Judge Frylass sends state troopers who arrest the Church Ladies who are naturally singing "We Shall Overcome." The next step of their master plan involves buying a house next to the Judge. There is some talk of bad publicity, that Judge Frylass might get impeached for fucking up like this.
>Thursday the crowd started gathering early, around 2 PM. It was huge, it was angry, and it was largely middle-class. Somewhere, somehow, the cry was started, “Let’s go see the judge.” Everyone took it up. The mob started to move toward the Federal Courthouse. It was a couple miles, and as the march continued the crowd grew. Along the way they found a road crew working and took their tar truck. The crowd took up the chant, “Pillows! Pillows!”, and from every window along the route pillows came flying down. Enough had feathers in them to do the job.
>They found Judge Frylass in his chambers, having tea. He made a fine sight, tarred and feathered, riding on a streetcar rail for a short journey down to Boston harbor, where he went for a swim. The harbor police fished him out, somewhat the worse for wear.
If you thought that Lind would make reference to the Boston Tea Party like he did with Tune/Tun's Tavern
...You would be right
>Every news broadcast and newspaper in the country called it “The Second Boston Tea Party.” The President, a man who knew the secret of political leadership was to find a crowd and follow it, announced the Attorney General was personally going to the Supreme Court to ask them to overturn Judge Frylass’s injunction. The Court, which had been more a political than a judicial body since Earl Warren, duly complied.
>That was the triumph of our Blitzkrieg. It took less than a week. We then learned why Blitzkrieg didn’t work in Russia. The enemy’s position had too much depth.
Break out your Wehrabingo, lads
>That happened as part of an experimental program sponsored by the Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, or HUD. Of course, like the rest of the Federal government, HUD was solidly enemy territory. The bureaucrats were leftists to a man (or, back then, woman), and what had happened in Boston horrified them. How dare ordinary people stand up to the government—and win!
Some foreshadowing of what Rumford's (the protagonists) society will look like.
>So, once the furor had died down and the attention of the press had wandered on to newer things, they quietly changed the rules. There would be no more housing projects with tenant management. Federal bureaucrats would stay in charge, they would not evict the scum, so the scum would rule. And they did.
Lind finishes by making another analogy to Barbarossa - that Rumford and his Christian Marine Corps must let the federal bureaucracy collapse under its weight
going to go for Chapter 8 in a little bit, lads
>>30432368
>How dare ordinary people stand up to the government—and win!
This sounds pretty accurate with current events/recent history actually.
>>30432453
That's not what I wanted to highlight. I just wanted to highlight that, evidently in the future society of Victoria, women can't hold public office
>>30432321
Getting tarred is no joke. People died from that shit, that's not "a little worse for wear."
>>30432321
It's always been a dream of mine to tar and feather some corrupt official. However, I'd prefer pine tar to keep it old school.
>>30432540
If the tar was boiling. Pine tar melts at about 140 degrees, which would hurt but not necessarily kill them.
Road tar melts at about the same, according to internets. However I'd worry about the toxic fumes and whatnot.
Maybe warm cum lube, furry printouts and lots of cameras would work...
>>30432617
This still defeats the purpose of their nonviolent church lady blitzkreig.
Chapter 8: Back at Tune Tavern
>We gathered once more at Tune Tavern. Trooper Kelly led off the critique.
>The reason we won here is simple,” he said. “We prepared carefully, but did not try to exercise too much control once things began to move. The decisive action, the march on Judge Frylass, was something we did not foresee. But we were smart enough to let it happen anyway. By the middle of the week, everyone knew what we were trying to achieve—cutting the scum off from their supporters in the Establishment. So people could take the initiative, yet all their actions worked in harmony.”
>>30432633
That part was unplanned
>“This is what the Germans called ‘mission type orders,'” I added. “In the German Army, an order didn’t tell you what to do, it told you what result was needed. You were free to do whatever you thought necessary to get that result. That’s why the Germans were able to win so many battles, usually against superior numbers. Mission orders turn everyone’s initiative and imagination loose, which is very powerful—far more powerful than an army of automatons with everyone doing only what they are told.”
This is basically Lind's attitude about the current state of the US military if you aren't acquainted with his columns.
>“I was an MP in the Corps,” a Boston city cop said. “For most of my time, we were told exactly what to do and how to do it. Then, just before I retired, we got a new CO who understood this German stuff, what the Corps called ‘maneuver warfare.’ He told us, ‘I want you to cut speeding on base by at least 50%. How you do it is up to you.’ And we were much more effective, because each of us did it differently.”
I'm not sure how well that sort of thing would work for traffic control.
>The understanding of war that we share—mission orders, Third Generation war, maneuver warfare, call it what you will—is what the folks out there who believe as we do need in order to win.
Self-promotion!
>>30432733
>>“This is what the Germans called ‘mission type orders,'” I added. “In the German Army, an order didn’t tell you what to do, it told you what result was needed. You were free to do whatever you thought necessary to get that result. That’s why the Germans were able to win so many battles, usually against superior numbers. Mission orders turn everyone’s initiative and imagination loose, which is very powerful—far more powerful than an army of automatons with everyone doing only what they are told.”
Its a shame Lindy doesn't mention how the germans lost the war, and how inefficient and corrupt their military was.
>>30432733
>Kelly had an answer. “Captain Rumford had it right when he said we Christian Marines should be the general staff. Remember, German general staff officers weren’t commanders, they were advisors. We can’t and shouldn’t try to muscle in on what other people are already doing to take back control of their own communities. They would resent that, and rightly so. But many of them would be glad to get advice from people who understood war. Because this is war, let’s not kid ourselves. And people out there are beginning to realize that.”
I might need a Wehraboo Counter at this rate. As I understand it, Lind thinks that the US military isn't enough like the Wehrmacht in terms of its command structure and leadership.
At this point, they decide that the Christian Marine Corps needs its first Commandant. They decide on Rumford, unsurprisingly. And they decide to each give him $50 a month to do this as a fulltime gig.
>
“Well and truly spoken, Trooper Kelly,” I replied. “In the old American militia tradition, I move we elect our officers, and I hereby nominate you to be the CO, Massachusetts Christian Marines.”
I thought they weren't a militia a chapter or two ago?
>The vote was unanimous, and Kelly accepted the post at which he later fell.
Every fucking time there could be some drama or uncertainty, Lind kills any tension with shit like this.
>“And in the Marine tradition, I propose a toast, gentlemen,” I concluded. “To the Christian Marine Corps, and confusion to our enemies.” Appropriately, it was drunk in Sam Adams beer.
And this ends Chapter 8
>>30432733
"I don't care how it happens, just get it done" has never lead to an unintended disaster.
>>30432764
But that would mean that someone else knows more about military history than William Lind, and that's impossible
>>30432453
Eh, dunno if /k/ will agree, but
>muh freedom
Trumps
>muh traditionalism
Any day. Supplanting a tyrannical government in favor of a tyrannical government that supports your view instead is still... Tyrannical.
About to start Chapter 9
>>30432809
>Sam Adams beer
Additional derp: the beer has nothing to do with Samuel Adams except the name. The owner is named Koch, though so +German points.
No word yet if the brewery thinks we suck or hates us.
>>30433057
Make a drinking game, everytime the author mentions how wonderful German military doctrine was, or inserts a German word into the dialogue, take a drink of Sam Adams.
>>30433080
I like it
>>30431299
No, dude, what OP and others are doing is making fun of a guy who does with writing what Mike Sparks does with toy models of A-10's and M-113's.
Chapter 9: Muh Degeneracy
>To understand what followed, you have to picture what the United States was like in the early 21st century. That’s hard to do, because life in the old U.S. of A. had departed so far from everything normal, everything natural to mankind, that any analogy, any description sounds hyperbolic. But it isn’t.
>Real life, as countless generations had lived it, had essentially vanished into a “virtual reality” devoid of all virtue.
In one minute, I get the idea that he's railing against a postmodern society devoid of virtue.
>Reality was what came through an electronic box, not what you saw out your own front door.
But then it seems like he's complaining about technology in society. It's probably both, but he dilutes his point here imo
>You lived a lie, one or another, because everything was political and politics was all lies. We were told we were free. It was a lie, because the tentacles of government had a sucker on every sucker. We had elections, and they were lies because all the candidates were from the same party, the New Class.
Don't worry, it's not the (((Jews)))
>America’s New Class was the French aristocracy of 1789, without the grace. Like that aristocracy, it performed no function beyond living well. Instead of “Let them eat cake,” it said “Let them eat free trade.” Instead of Marie Antoinette, who had charm and innocence, it gave us Hillary Clinton, who had neither. The French aristocracy held balls, ours held elections. Neither changed anything, but the French gave us good music
This was actually a little funny.
>The national sport was voyeurism, done electronically. Day and night, the television, Satan’s regurgitation into our souls, paraded the sad lives of other people for our entertainment.
A little harsh, there Billy.
Is this book basically The Turner Diaries? Cause it sounds like it.
>>30432916
How is tradition tyranny? Vague notions of freedom don't mean anything without a strong moral framework. Taking people's traditions, their religion and destroying their families in some vague pursuit of freedom is extremely tyrannical.
>>30422157
I think this retard has broken the biggest, most sacred rule of fiction which is not projecting yourself onto your main character. It always makes for shit writing.
>>30432261
>implying "ministers" in the projects actually want anything done.
>The solution, we were told, was more technology. We knew less and less, but computers would transmit our ignorance faster. Schools taught our children how to peck at the blue dot on the machine to get a piece of corn.
Wow, now I hate this Indonesian Claymation Chatroom
I'm a #LindWirbelwind now
>Or, the solution was big business. The New Class on Wall Street would drive down in their Mercedes to save us from the New Class in Washington. People would find dignity and security by being reduced to commodities. It was more efficient than slavery. You couldn’t sell an elderly slave, but you could fire one.
(((New Class)))
>
We were, of course, collectively mad. There’s nothing new about that. From Athens under Cleon through the Tulip Bubble to Party Day at Nuremburg, collective madness has been part of the human tale.
But he's not a stormfag, see.
>My task, as I settled back into the remains of a Maine winter in 2017 as Commandant of the Christian Marine Corps, was not to bring about the collapse. The nature of man would provide that, all by itself.
Somehow, I don't think this exactly what will happen. Just like the Christian Marine Corp isn't a militia.
>One thing I understood from the outset, again thanks to having some acquaintance with history. The answer did not lie in ideology, right or left, old or new. All ideologies failed and always would fail, because by their nature they demand and create a virtual reality. They all require that some aspect of reality, economic or racial or sexual or whatever, be ignored—more than ignored, deliberately not seen. That was a fatal error, always, because whatever part of reality you don’t see is the part that kills you.
Except his version of ideology
And this just about closes out Chapter 9. I thought that sucking Boyd's dick was bad enough, but frankly this was less pleasant to read. It's not that I completely disagree with him; I'd just rather reread Atlas Shrugged than listen to Lind pontificate.
>>30433080
All I have on hand is a beer named after a Confederate cavalry officer (Mosby). Can I still play?
>>30433239
>The national sport was voyeurism, done electronically.
>A little harsh, there Billy.
No, that's a surprisingly enlightened statement. Probably the first (and only) enlightened thing in the novel, but enlightened nonetheless.
>Depressing to think about too.
>>30433342
I was talking about the "literally Satan" part.
>Go to bed reading this thread
>Come home from work and its picked back up
>>30433080
and then anon died of alcohol poisoning
>>30433262
who's taking away traditions, religion, and families?
>>30422117
/k/ is populater by all strains of sick degenerates that like to fantasize that they're this guy, the saviour of the white Christian people traditional values (which they know little about besides contempt for women and non-whites)
>>30433242
I guess; I've never read the Turner Diaries.
I just find it interesting that Lind considers himself a serious voice on defense and strategic issues
>>30433342
Not particularly. Voyeurism is a human pastime. You think tribes living in the bush respect each other's privacy? There may be cultural admonitions about pretending you don't see, but there are no secrets in that kind of life. The only difference is that you personally know all the people you're staring at.
>>30433390
The people that impose secularism and family courts. Christianity and the family have been under attack for a long time if you haven't noticed. It's no coincidence because of these attacks that Christianity is declined along with a rise in broken families.
>>30433446
You're confusing /k/ with /pol/.
>>30433489
no one is imposing anything.
if you want to live the good wholesome Christian life, no one is stopping you.
maybe if you feel so threatened by a secular state, you should move.
>>30433446
>wanting to do things your way is cool
>unless you're a white Christian, then you're a sick degenerate
Man, I'm a dissolute libertarian, and even I can tell that that's horseshit.
~pan-secessionism will win~
>>30433518
That's not what I was saying
>>30433515
How is Christianity tyrannical but not secularism? Why is it fine to enforce secularism?
Chapter 10 is pretty long and features ebin hats.
William Lind is not Neal Stephenson, and when Lind has someone infodump you about Retroculture, it is not nearly as interesting as when Stephenson infodumps about linguistics
>>30433569
presumably because not everyone is a christian
and no one is enforcing secularism
>>30433595
I will skip Chapter 10 if nobody wants to me to riff what amounts to a political infodump about why a return to the Victorian era is a good thing, the jist of which you can probably figure out from what I've already posted
