Why did the marines take so many casualties fighting tiny manlets with at most MG and mortars?
Manlet rage desu
>>30331195
mgs and mortars are prety effective while being used defensively while dug in. also correct me if im wrong but didnt the marines destroy the imperial japanese army in almost every battle?
Oh man crazy bait here. But against a dug in enemy in good concealment of course is going to be able to inflict damage on a opposing force. And on islands smaller than central park and thousands of people on it, anything over motors and MGs are...about as big as you can get
>>30331195
You try assaulting a beach / cave / fortification defended by 'just' machine guns and mortars and let us know how it works it. By the way you don't get body armor, your transport is a slow ass tin can and if you get hit the medical response is far more primitive and evacuation is hours if you're lucky.
>>30331195
>Why do people die in war
Most of the Marines didn't want to be there, but the Japanese were brainwashed political puppets who believed a guy in a cloak was a god. Most of them were there because they wanted to be. They didn't value their lives nearly as much as the Marines, and sadly that caused the battles to last a lot longer than they should have. The lack of willingness on the part of the US to sacrifice themselves in turn lead to a protracted struggle which would lead to many more deaths.
TL:DR the Marines weren't willing to end the fight quickly, so they died over time.
>>30331284
This. Vast majority of US casualties occured while they were lying in cover waiting for support to come up and do their job for them.
>>30331195
>yo why do people die when they get shot
>I thought the marines were good ?
>>30331268
Lets not forget that the enemy didn't always make there position obvious, so you might have to spend weeks or months inna jungle looking for them, all the while being exposed to tropical diseases which are difficult to treat when you're outside of civilisation.
>>30331284
>>30331317
fucking casuals lol
>>30331444
Yep. The Marines were casuals alright.
IF YUU DON KNO ABROUT MANRET RETRARD STRENG THEY GONNA KIRR U
Because people die when they are killed.
>>30331197
/thread
>>30331195
Why is there a fucking T-34 in the background?
>>30332571
>he doesn't know about the reverse lend-lease
>>30332571
I'm triggered
>>30331220
Yes. Okinawa was something like 7k marines killed to ~100k dead japs. The Japanese were fucking destroyed and any sane military would have surrendered by late 1943.
>>30332605
thats actually pretty good
>>30332626
Iwo Jima had more Yankee casualties than Japs tho, but that was an outlier.
>>30332571
CANNOT BE UN-SEEN
>>30332605
Was that a thing? Didn't even know. I never thought we had to bother at that point.
>>30332571
Because it's from Call of Duty world at war which also took place on the eastern front.
>>30332571
>>30332607
>>30332687
How young must you be to not know about CoD WaW.....
>>30331195
Are you tarded?
The Marines and Army in the Pacific campaigns inflicted on average 2-5 times more casualties on the Nips and they were on the OFFENSE.
The Nip land forces were hilariously bad, notoriously under-equipped with antiquated WW1 vintage technology and weapons.
They were not much more advanced than any of the Allied powers in WW1.
Even at Iwo Jima, the deadliest fight for the Marines, the nips lost 24,000 to 6,000 Marines KIA.
Simply cannot compete with the White man in total war.
Not to mention they got spanked so hard by the Slavs in Manchuria and Korea, they lost a million-man army in 4 weeks.
>>30331195
Because the USMC is not as amazing as you/they think they are.
>>30331195
Japanese were dug in and never surrendered.
Also, the Marines prioritized speed over safety. The US Army would methodically advance across an island, while the Marines would swarm.
The Marine's approach has merits beyond "Ooh Rah Kill Kill Kill Pray For War!"
Taking an island a day sooner means the airfield is operating a day sooner, which means bombs falling on Japanese factories a day sooner, and a sooner end to the war.
Because a gun will kill you even if it's held by a manlet
>implying this isnt' a bait thread
>>30333225
Look up conflicts in Asia. Asia is the birthplace of total wars. America is a fuckhuge country with more resources and means to use them fighting against a country the size of one of it's states with next to no resources and a still young industry. Gee I wonder who would end up better?
>>30331195
Because they're literally trained to be retarded killing machines and lack all self preservation
>>30333225
>Even at Iwo Jima, the deadliest fight for the Marines, the nips lost 24,000 to 6,000 Marines KIA.
How does that compare to, for example, Utah or Omaha Beach?
>>30333262
Your pitiful "argument" does nothing to alleviate the fact the Nips were completely annihilated on a toe-to-toe basis DEFENDING against Americans on well-fortified island garrisons.
A conflict they themselves initiated BTW.
Cry harder, weaboo cunt. The Marines in the Pacific saw some mean fighting in war of annihilation, they got really good at killing Nips. In Okinawa, the casualty ratio was like 10 to 1.
I remember reading Eugene Sledge's book and describing Marines from the 8th (who had fought in Saipan and exterminated the Nip rats) and how good they were at flushing out the Nips from their caves and forts. One of them had a .30-caliber M1919A4 with "Nip Nemesis" etched into the barrel shroud, lel.
>>30331284
Most of the japanese didn't want to be there, but the americans were brainwashed political puppets who believed a guy in an expensive suit was a good leader.
>>30333310
The Germans were better defenders, by far.
Not to mention, their forces were much more sophisticated with a higher saturation of mechanized units, field artillery, AT guns, hand-held AT weapons, tanks and SPGs etc.
The battlefield in Europe was much more advanced.
>>30333334
>In Okinawa, the casualty ratio was like 10 to 1.
Casualty ratio at Okinawa was anywhere from 3:4 US:JPN to 1:1 US:JPN depending on whether you count "psychological" casualties or not.
>>30333382
And they Germans typically didn't have an ocean at their back.
>>30331195
The Japanese had far more than MGs and mortars, they had full artillery pieces and anti-tank and anti-gun cannons tucked into very deep and well hidden positions. They would wait for opportune moments, drawing in the enemy and letting them think the naval bombardment had silenced all resistance. Then they would strike. Cannon shells would start slamming into tanks and troops trying to pick their way along the few trails and roads that existed, bogging them down, letting those cannons shred them, but the MGs wouldn't fire, not yet. When the troops tried to take the cannons then the MGs would start firing. In these dug in positions with artillery and MGs literally dug into mountain sides, yeah, that was a hell of a fight for the Marines.
>>30333409
I meant "anti-ship guns"
>>30333384
That's a nice delusional setup you've got to justify the inferiority of the Nip.
20k US KIA versus 77-100k KIA for IJN. Doesn't get simpler than that.
>>30333287
I mean this applies to the Marines and the Japs.
>>30333422
>he doesn't understand what 'casualty' means
>>30333409
Why are you making lengthy responses to a bait? You tarded bro?
>>30333225
That's because the Japs literally killed themselves if they were about to be taken prisoner. Burgers had more casualties than Japs at Iwo Jima anyway, just less dead for the aforementioned reason. Also the Japs only had about 18000 dead at Iwo, not 24000.
>>30333434
>That man ate some bad pork and fell ill, he was a casualty of war!
Wow, you're stupid.
>>30333357
woah that really makes u think
>>30333447
>That's because the Japs literally killed themselves
Having retarded tactics and poor morale is just another symptom of a bad military and does in no way alleviate the appalling performance of Nip defenders on heavily fortified garrison islands.
They were forbidden from conducting banzai attacks pretty quickly, so that's not even a factor at Iwo Jima.
Why would I take your numbers seriously? Did you just evacuate them from your own asshole?
>>30333357
FDR? Pretty great leader, family.
>>30333456
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/casualty
>a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action
>sickness
>>30333504
If we're going to play semantics games I would argue that nature and immersion foot was a much more capable defender than the IJN according to casualty ratios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage
>>30333542
>If we're going to play semantics games
Using words correctly is called semantics games now?
>>30333554
"Casualties" as the weaboo apologist insists on defining them includes those from non-combat sources.
What's the purpose of talking about casualties that result from food poisoning, accidental weapons discharges on a firing range, malaria, immersion foot, fatigue, exhaustion, exposure, dehydration, heat stroke etc.?
When we're talking about direct combat between two armies, why would you count the above?
Hmm? Cunt?
You're a fucking petty cunt that just has a difficult time accepting the racial inferiority of your pet Nips? Is that it?
>>30333485
The point being that many of the dead on the Jap side had nothing to do with the Marines, they just killed themselves to avoid capture. That doesn't change the fact that pacific island hopping campaigns were still brutal, gruelling, protracted, and hellish in spite of the obvious material and technological superiority that the U.S. had. I'd say the whole thing is more a testament to Jap tenacity and ingenuity when using limited resources.
Also pic related.
>>30333638
>A casualty in military usage is a person in military service, combatant or non-combatant, who becomes unavailable for duty due to several circumstances, including death, injury, illness, capture and desertion.
>>30331281
People die when they are killed.
>>30333542
Operation Cottage was amazing.
Proves that the Japanese can defeat round eyes without even being there. Most stronk.
>>30333642
Bombs and bullets are nothing to earth.
Refer to Vietnam and similar conflicts.
Prepared defenses render a lot of tech useless.
Of course, a good flamethrower helps immensely, but first you have to approach.
>>30333642
>The point being that many of the dead on the Jap side had nothing to do with the Marines, they just killed themselves to avoid capture.
That doesn't sound very tenable at all.
You're claiming that tens of thousands of Japanese would break rank, flee from the Americans, go find themselves a nice little secluded spot and destroy themselves?
That doesn't sound credible at all, unless you have some documented research.
There were incidents of civilians on Okinawa committing mass suicide to avoid capture, and occasional hold-outs in caves that were simply dealt with by explosive satchel charges and sealed up to perish, but what you're trying to fabricate is not reflected in any of the direct combat books written by actual Marines in their memoirs like Lecky, Sledge, Evans etc.
I've read their books and the Nips fought to the bitter end, fanatically.
Single hold-outs were able to conduct harassing operations in the Marines rear lines, that was the zeal and fanaticism of the Nip.
And they were exterminated, one by one.
Honestly, I want you to try and spout that kind of weaboo shit to a genuine Marine veteran of the Pacific and watch your get your shit slapped.
>>30333642
>tfw we will never see casualty numbers as high as this.
Maybe the USN needs to sink a chink destroyer and start something in the Pacific again.
>>30331476
>This just in!
>>30333727
>Of between 20,530 and 21,060 Japanese defenders entrenched on the island, from 17,845 to 18,375 died either from fighting or by ritual suicide. Only 216 were captured during the course of battle. After Iwo Jima, it was estimated there were no more than 300 Japanese left alive in the island's warren of caves and tunnels. In fact, there were close to 3,000. The Japanese bushido code of honor, coupled with effective propaganda which portrayed American G.I.s as ruthless animals, prevented surrender for many Japanese soldiers.
>>30333494
I mean apart from the concentration camps and socialism...
>>30333727
Why should anybody believe anything you say? You literally don't even know what the word "casualty" means.
>>30333868
>from 17,845 to 18,375 died either from fighting or by ritual suicide
So that implies of 21k original defenders, 3,000 holed themselves up in caves.
That still leaves 18k KIA to direct American action, and a kill ratio still far in favour of the Marines who landed under the most hellish fire imaginable.
My respect for WW2 Marines only grows...
>>30333894
Why the fuck would anyone listen to some chronic masturbatory loser like you?
You don't even read books...
>>30331281
underrated post
>>30333898
Except for all the ones who killed themselves. Not to mention that the marines STILL had higher casualties with 19,000 injured, which is actually more effective since injured soldiers still require resources to keep alive.
Not to mention your great respect is pretty stupid considering the vast material superiority the U.S. had. The Americans attacked Iwo with absolute dominance of the air and sea, superior equipment, and actual access to supplies while the Japs were basically under siege and they STILL had greater casualties.
If anything this should build respect for the Japs.
>>30333916
reddit post
>>30332685
Kind of. The 22k japs defending were killed almost to a man, while the Marines suffered 26k dead and wounded. The total marines killed at Iwo was 6.8k though.
>>30333822
>implying Obama wouldn't suck chink dick for more loans for welfare.
Try not to elect fucking pussy socialists first shitbag.
>>30333727
>Honestly, I want you to try and spout that kind of weaboo shit to a genuine Marine veteran of the Pacific and watch your get your shit slapped.
>Marineboo detected
>biggest amphibious invasion of US history was Army
Go kill a president you blue falcon Devil Dog.
>>30334003
>Except for all the ones who killed themselves.
Which of course your source makes no mention of...
Nice argument. Cunt.
Do you realize how utterly retarded your feeble attempt an argument is?
You're trying to mitigate Japanese annihilation at the hands of Marines by basically saying:
>NUH-UH, THEY KILLED THEMSELVES
>THAT WILL SHOW THE WHAITO PIGGU
haha, holy shit.
>>30334066
>Which of course your source makes no mention of...
>>17,845 to 18,375 died either from fighting or by ritual suicide.
>>30333144
Yeah but it's fucking clearly just supposed to be Marines assaulting a Japanese beachhead, not a combined photo of all the locations
>>30333159
Please get out retard
>>30334066
Holy shit, you unironically believe that wars are won by manly bravado and badassery and not superior resources and industrial capacity. Do you actually think that the Marines would have done any better if their positions had been reversed?
You are also completely ignoring the fact that the MARINES HAD MORE CASUALTIES ON IWO.
>>30334079
Sad we don't know the break up of the numbers.
btw, killing yourself is just as bad as being killed.
>>30334003
>19000 injured
>injured = dead
Haha, no. 19,000 sustained non-lethal wounds does not equal the over 18000 who died.
>>30332605
10/10
>>30334175
Good 1 m8.
>inb4 muh injuries
>>30331195
Fuck off you fucking faggot ungrateful pÃece of shit scum, I bet you'd shit your fucking pants and cry like a fucking baby being palmed by the doctor just after birth in the case you were sent to Omaha. You'd crouch, put your hands arround the ears and sit on the back of the boat, refusing to unboard while crying "momma, momma". Thousands of Americans gave their lives so you fucking faggot piece of shit ass can sit right now in the chair of your room as you talk shit about your ancestors in a website made for the discussion of pedophile cartoons with origin from the country we so hardly worked to defeat for our freedoms. Go suck a dick you fucking cunt. I hope you die a slow and painful death. Fucking faggot.
>>30334251
>>30333409
real cool story there
>>30334193
>>30334232
Injuries are casualties m80.
>>30333678
so good
>>30334272
Saying "the americans had more casualties" makes it sound like more americans died.
When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter how many people are wounded unless a counterattack happens and your military force is weakened enough that it becomes a factor.
However, this was not the case, so the injured don't matter as much as the dead.
And would you look at that, more japs died.
>>30334295
>Saying "the americans had more casualties" makes it sound like more americans died.
No, it makes it sound like the Americans had more casualties. Which is what happened.
>>30334251
>>30333542
>I would argue that nature and immersion foot was a much more capable defender than the IJN
You're trying to throw that out as a sarcastic case of taking an argument too far. But instead, your statement is literally correct in a non-sarcastic way. How do you feel about that Mr Smarty Pants?
Diseases and nature have long been the biggest killers in warfare. I'm not sure if it's still true in 2016 though, since medicine is better and fielded forces are smaller and better supported.
>>30333727
>Honestly, I want you to try and spout that kind of weaboo shit to a genuine Marine veteran of the Pacific and watch your get your shit slapped.
Genuine Marine vets of the Pacific are mature enough not to be some kind of hothead over MUH CORPS. Ironically, the hotheads are all neverserved types like yourself.
>>30333447
>Japs literally killed themselves if they were about to be taken prisoner.
>1944
>Not being a drain on your enemies' resources
American marines would often flash the Japanese positions with their superior white cocks. Such displays were devastating to the Japanese morale, and many would commit suicide in response. The Japanese government has tried to cover this up with bullshit stories about "onur and da empu-rur," when in reality almost all of their soldiers died from the shame they felt about their tiny yellow peepees.
>ITT
>Marine fanboy dont understand what casualty means
Is this why people dont like marines?
>>30334079
You're not even understanding the sentence you posted correctly.
Wow, you're stupid.. Breathtaking.
>>30334272
>More dead Japs than Americans.
You lose, faggot.
I don't think you have a sense of how badly beaten the Nips were in WW2, they were fucking exterminated, like a skilled bug-hunter goes through an infested apartment...
>>30334580
>not posting an actual smug anime girl
>>30334414
>Throw yourself in the ennemy's hands
>Get put in a detention center
>Ennemy is stupid and will feed, clothe and heal you at the expense of it's tax money
Holy shit that's the sandnigger strategy to invade Europe and it's working !
>>30334305
The Japs died at ratios of 3-1 more than Marines.
Ergo, Marines did a pretty sweep job of killing them and then coming down with malaria to score some sweet R&R aboard ambulance ships.
Japs had no ambulance ships because they were all sunk and the sailors drowned or burned alive.
Nips and nip-lovers BTFO.
>>30333447
Sounds like a terrible military strategy. Oh well, more dead Japs never harmed anyone.
>>30334488
Nice digits. If that had been a 14.88, you would have inherited ALL of the internet.
>>30333357
Whoa you reversed it even though it doesn't make sense. I wish I had the level of clarity you have so I could come up with similar ideas and thoughts.
>>30333357
Except the Japanese started aggression
>>30333262
Lol look at this mad autist wannabe muhreen. Just fucking admit it they weren't fighting some ridiculously powerful enemy, Japan were the side attraction as was your precious corps.. Considering these people who were basically starving and fatigued as hell by this point gave you fucks who had damn near every single advantage over them so much trouble is a bigger testament to them than it is to you.
I'm ignorant on the Pacific.
What was the point of spending manpower and resources by fighting a war island by island when you could just surround those islets with big ships and starve out the enemy?
>>30335822
Takes too long to starve them out. Faster to just go in and kill them.
>>30335822
The US actually did both of that.
>>30335822
Island hopping meant that the US could secure airbases within range of the Japanese mainland as well as depriving the Japanese of those same forward fields.
>>30335822
Army-navy rivalry. Both sides wanted the glory so the US had to run a lengthy, pointless campaign that nevertheless gave enough targets for either branch to take, rather than just pushing through the Northern route (Midway -> Wake -> Hokkaido) or the Southern route (Java -> Philippines -> Okinawa -> Kyushu).
Obviously the Jap navy to be destroyed along the way.
>>30335822
>you could just surround those islets with big ships and starve out the enemy
Pretty much exactly what they did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leapfrogging_(strategy)
Always known it as island hopping myself, but whatever wikipedia.
>>30333678
>People die when they are killed.
Is this true? Can you provide a source?
>>30336010
It's the conclusion of the great Japanese scientist Nasu, published in his book Fate Stay/Night.
